VPT 7 prerelease!

[hc]

Finally,
after a week of testing, bugfixing and adding some new features I have a version that I am pretty happy with.

I hope you get the chance to test it and give me feedback before I release the first official version.

The manual isn´t complete but it should get you started, it´s included with the download. I will try to update it this coming week, you are welcome to give me feedback on this as well.

There is a mac version, developed on 10.6.8, so I am curious if there are any issues on newer os.
The windows version is 32bit, developed on windows 7, so again curious how this works in other window flavours.

I have tested both versions on my 2009 laptop and get decent results.

mac
http://nervousvision.com/vpt/pre7_osx.zip

win
http://nervousvision.com/vpt/pre7win32bit.zip

hc

[paz]

Hey hc!

Can I be one of the first to congratulate you on a brilliant tool for video designers. Your commitment is amazing!

Just downloaded ver7 for use with osx 10.8

First up, I like the changes to the UI. Can't wait to get my Mac plugged into a projector!

Many many thanks.

Best wishes,

Paz

[Huey Sullivan]

I love this tool and I thank you for all your hard work! Im using a Mac running 10.8.3 and no problems here. For the most part I have everything figured out but I miss the yellow lines vs. the yellow dots. If at all possible can you give us the option to use the dots or the yellow frames. Also when mapping I keep running into the corner jumping again. In VPT6 you could select  manual or automatic. Ive clicked on the 1,2,3 or 4 circles but it doesnt seem to help, am I missing something here.

Other then those few things I havent ran into any major problems. Thanks again for all your hard work.

[hc]

Hi,
glad to hear that it´s working in 10.8.

Regarding the yellow lines vs yellow corner circles I am afraid you are out of luck. The advantage of the circles is that you can click anywhere outside the circles without affecting the layer. This was a major annoyance in the previous versions that you could easily misplace a layer.
I am using a completely different gl object in this version, which actually gives a correct keystone distortion compared to previous versions.

I think what you are experiencing with the circles is that when they get too close one of the corners might jump. That´s why it´s smart to change the size of the handle when you are working with smaller layers. Clicking on the numbers let you use the number boxes or the arrow keys to change the positions.

hc

[Bo Allen]

Congratulations HC,

No issues thus far on my machine running 10.8.3. I love the new features, and think that the circles for corner pinning are a huge improvement over the old yellow box. Bravo. Much more testing to come. 

[Christopher Overstreet]

I get these errors...   Some things work some don't.  I was excited to try the hap codec and downloaded and installed hap components, but unfortunately that is one of the things that doesn't work...  I am very excited though!  THank you!

failed to initialize gen domain jit.gen

failed to initialize gen domain jit.gen

(mxj) Unable to find max.jar! mxj is rendered powerless in its absence.

Unable to create JVM

On Apr 30, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Bo Allen <thebo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Congratulations HC,

No issues thus far on my machine running 10.8.3. I love the new features, and think that the circles for corner pinning are a huge improvement over the old yellow box. Bravo. Much more testing to come. 

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[Salmud]

Downloaded ver7 for osx 10.8

Many thanks.

Best wishes,

Salmud

[hc]

Hi,
those errors are not important, thanks for reporting.

Other things that doesn´t work? Since everything works on my computer I need you to be a bit more specific if possible.

What is your problem with the hap source?
Doesn´t it work at all for you? It should be able to play back normal quicktime codecs as well (sometimes the texture will be flipped).
Which of the hap codecs did you render your video with?

I have tried all of them, and they all seem to work fine.

hc

[Adam Lewensohn]

Congrats!

Can't wait to play with it.

And thank you for working so hard on such impressive tool, posting and replying!

[rafe purnell]

I really like the new interface layout. 

Running OS X 10.8.3 seems to run smoothly at first play.

The controls windows is a little huge. I simply dont have enough screen estate to see al the way to the OSX options. All of the windows are side by side.. router, cue list etc.

The mask editor is much improved so easy to use.. love it.... :-)

The ax and ay sliders for moving the layers about does not let me move them off screen. Limited between 0 and 1. Sliding the layers out of screen is useful. 

Plus loving the ease of adding motion blur.. hides all manner of errors in my renders... :-)

Regards..

Rafe

On Sunday, 28 April 2013 23:23:08 UTC+1, hc wrote:

[rafe purnell]

The controls windows is a little huge. I simply dont have enough screen estate to see al the way to the OSX options. All of the windows are side by side.. router, cue list etc.

Duh.... !!!! Found the scroll bar.... :-) 

[hc]

I think you have misunderstood the ax and ay sliders. They are related to positioning the texture inside the layer. When there is no scaling of the texture the ax and ay sliders don´t do anything.
Working with scaling and moving layers dynamically (from one preset to another) is more difficult in this version than previous versions, since I am using the jit.gl.cornerpin as the base for the layers, which doesn´t have a very well-implemented position feature.
So for instance your barbican project might have been harder to do in vpt 7.

[rafe purnell]

Thanks for letting me know...

Looking forward to trying more with it.. 

:-)

[Huey Sullivan]

Ok sounds good, I can get used to that, lol! One other thing, with VPT 6 I used the mixer quit often and in 7 I see its gone. Any plans on bringing this back?

[hc]

and there is a little black box with a + sign in the top left corner of both the sources and layers windows which resizes the window.

[hc]

Since each source now is a crossfade module in itself I wasn´t planning on it, but maybe it could be an optional source.

[hc]

I will include a mix module as an option with the release, just modified the vpt6 mixer source and it seems to work fine. This will be one of the 8 video sources (you combine the type of sources you want in the prefs menu).

hc

[Huey Sullivan]

Thank you so much!!

[jackb...@gmail.com]

Hi HC

I'm new to VPT 6 but already love VPT 7! Running so far on mac 10.8

Missing the mesh editor, although using the zoom to place an image over multiple surface works well.

Love the zoom and the keystone corners!

Only having one problem:

On saving (store preset) and reopening the program it remembers preset names and amount of layers, source presets but not layer info. On each layer source and corner point info all defaults to centre-screen and no source?

Thanks for all your work!

[Brendan McGrath]

Hello from California!

I am sad to see that many of the control parameters are missing.  Specifically posxy and scalexy.  I have enjoyed using vpt for a couple years on moving subjects and use both software and hardware midi controllers to do so.

I love the new ui and am happy to not be flipping through pages anymore, but, my private hopes for the new release incorporated more control parameters, not fewer.

[Brendan McGrath]

Also, when deleting layers, the bottom layer is always deleted regardless if another layer is selected.  Example, I have 15 layers and want to delete Layer 4, I select layer 4, hit "-" and layer 15 is deleted.

[tom davies]

Hellooo :) Loving most aspects of VPT 7, reckon I'll miss the mesh editor but there we go. 

A big problem I seem to of come across is trying to save a Mask. After creating my mask in the editor, i click to save it and then a box named 'PNG Options' pops up behind the editor blocking me from getting to it. However after restarting I moved the editor window before trying to save it allowing me access to the box. It then gives me two drop down menus, one with 'Best depth' as its default choice, and the other under the title 'filter'. I can scroll and select from the drop down menus, however I can not then select 'ok' or 'cancel' or even close the box forcing me to again terminate the program. 

I'm running a 64 bit Windows 8 system. Any ideas?

Many thanks!

[hc]

Hi,

thanks for the report.

it´s not entirely unlikely that the mesh editor will make a reappearance. I wasn´t planning on it but suddenly I started working on it anyway, so let´s see.

It´s weird that you get a save menu at all, it should save automatically without any dialogues. I suspect this is a windows 8 feature since this doesn´t happen in windows 7 and osx.

What happens if you just hit enter/return after clicking the save button, do the  png options disappear then?

hc

[hc]

Thanks for the report.
That´s how it works, it deletes the last added layer from the layerstack. I will make sure that comes into the manual.

[hc]

The main aim with vpt 7 was to make it more efficient and more stable, not to add new features, and I think some of the features have improved quite a lot.

Also, this is not the final release version, so maybe some things will return.

The object that I am now using for the cornerpin adjustement does a better job at that than the previous one (which distorted the image in a wrong way), but it doesn´t have a built in position and scale option.

[hc]

Hi, thanks for the report.

I am not able to reproduce the preset problems you are having. Anyone else with the same issue?

Remember that you also need to select the preset from the preset list to activate it.

[tom davies]

Yeahh saving layers is a problem for me as well

[tom davies]

Yeahh tried most things, the box just doesn't respond at all, and anytime I try to click on a different window it just makes an error noise. I'm also having problems with retrieving layers after restarting the program.

[hc]

could you be a bit more specific on what kind of problems you have?

[tom davies]

the same problem as Jackb....@gmail is having. The name of the preset saves, but none of the information on the layers, the layer window is just empty. So I'm unable to save my work at the moment. Also at the moment when I create a new layer to build a new preset, the layer applies said layer to all my previously saved layers, making it impossible to bring in new layers as I progress through my presets. Is there a way to do this?

Many Thanks

[hc]

ok, I am not able to reproduce the problem with saving and retrieving presets, it works as expected here, so I am wondering if there is some unclear procedures on saving presets.
I will create new threads for issues which need follow-up.

If you add new layers to existing presets you need to update all your presets. If you click on the current and stored buttons at the bottom of the preset section you will see which values are currently active, and which values are stored with the different presets.

[Douglas Lopes de Souza]

I found the same problem, but I think is a Codec Problem. The Black.mov and Humlen_HD_hap.mov doesn´t appears in VPT (Think I had the same problem on VPT6)...So...Can the Hap Codec be used on Windows plataform? (i Know...windows scks)

Tryed to use the k-lite codec pack and nothing happenings.

(these videos can´t be opened on my Qtime player = codec problem...

Is trere a solution?

Thank you very much!

Dg

[hc]

hap encoded videos are currently mac only but will likely be available for windows as well in the near future.
The black.mov is just that, just a black image which is handy if you want to fade a source from/to black.

[dimitra]

hc 
Hi again

so I'm running VPT 7.0 in Windows 7, 64-bit. At first try i got an MAX 32-bit problem but after that it seems to run without crashing or sth.
BUT there's one problem >>
I only need one preset. So I set everything ok & store it, but when I open the application next time, preset is saved as a name & sources keep the videos stored. 
*Layers don't have the videosources (all of them show 'none'). And even when I choose the right sources, the proportions and the relative positions are ok but *scale is not.  
So actually it seems i cannot store the full thing. (it seems that I will have to reset things all the 3 days of the exhibition).

In general, it's great how VPT 7.0 has become so 'user-friendly'! 
nice work!
thanx

.d

[hc]

hi,
several users have reported problems with retrieving presets, but I still haven´t figured out why, since it works well on every system I have tried it on.
Can you post the messages in your message window? ctrl-m

hc

[tom davies]

Hi HC, just seen that when trying to control LFO parameters with a MIDI controller it doesn't respond. Running 64 bit Windows 8

[hc]

thanks for the report, I can reproduce this.

hc

[Douglas Lopes de Souza]

Tanks again for this version. It works very well!

I have just a doubt for now: how can I resize the preview and output window? It is possible in this version?

Tanks a lot.

Dg

[hc]

not at the moment since it interferes with cornerdragging, but I might change that.
You can change the size of the preview window in the prefs file, and also set the aspect ratio and nr of screens.
hc

[Douglas Lopes de Souza]

I´ve stored 2 presets with diferents sourcers and layers cornerspin´s position, but when i open the VPT again, just the sourcers still stored. I have to remap the surfaces because the cornerpins are as the default position and my layers are blank (I have to link the sourcers with layers again).

Idk if its a Windows problem.... I saw the video tutorial, but it doesnt work here.

Is there a diferent way to save the layers position?

Tanks!

ps.: Cant post the messages of the max window (ctrl+m) idk why it doesnt save a txt file. I got a jpg.

[hc]

Hi,
you can copy the contents of the message window by selecting everything (apple/ctrl A), copying it and then paste it into a text document.

I can see that your filepath contains a space, that will cause issues at least with saving masks, not sure if this affects saving presets.

Its currently hard to fix the presets issue as it works perfectly on windows and mac when I try it but some users have problems.

[dimitra stamatiou]

hi hc

sorry for not giving the right feedback
There was an installation using VPT 7 at Art Athina in Athens
I ran the programme at another computer so I had no time to get the message window text & sent it to you.
I had the same problems with Douglas so I mapped everything almost from the begging every morning.

plus whenever I was trying to save a preset at the top of the sourcebank I got a ' Max 32bit not responding error'

It was a 64bit Windows 7 pc

hope you finally get it 
thanx for everything

  

ps
> I only send you a still
>>you've seen this project sth about 2 years before/ this time will sent you a link to the video
*soon I hope

the cube is 'breathing'

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[Julien Leresteux]

hi
i used VTP to a workshop at IMAL ... we used 5.1.
now with the mesh it s very great but the 7 have a good interface...
good work :)

[hc]

Hi Julien!
there will be a grid mesh in the release version of vpt 7, which I think will be better than the one in vpt 6.

hc

[hc]

which windows 7 version are you using (home, pro, corporate etc)?

[Lee Bennett]

Great!

[Lee Bennett]

PRESETS ISSUES

Win7 HomePrem x64 ...MAX runs in 32, wouldn't it be cool if it ran at 64? :-)

Interesting:

1- During the same session (not restarting PC) everything recalls perfectly, multiple times, after exiting then restarting VPT7v2- AN AWESOME PIECE OF KIT!

 However, after a normal restart of PC, only number of layers are saved and all mapping and sources reverts to default :-(  Sources load blank, with greyed source preset dots, where presets were saved, but they do not recall.

Mahalo all the way from Hawaii, hc!

[Lee Bennett]

Things change quickly around here!

It seems that by saving more than 2 presets, 4 now, things work better after a reboot! Yay! That was weird...

I suppose the fact that the number of layers does not change with the preset isn't that bad, as the layers can at least be "muted" per preset.

Is there a chromakey type effect that I'm missing?

Big Mahalos!

[hc]

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:42:38 AM UTC+2, Lee Bennett wrote:

PRESETS ISSUES

Win7 HomePrem x64 ...MAX runs in 32, wouldn't it be cool if it ran at 64? :-)

as long as max doesn´t fully support 64bits, VPT will not be 64 bits, and I am not really sure if it will make a big difference.

[Borja Lanza López]

Hi:

First at all thank you for that wonderful work making great tools.

My question is about OSC.

Im trying to comunicate OpenFrameworks to VTP7.
Test works perfect and I get copy of the msg sent.
But I dont get any results, easy things that change fade of layer or try to change movie of source.

I run the same commands at VTP6 and perfect.

Is any button option that I have to click?

[hc]

Hi,
there has been quite a few changes in the commands for VPT7 which is probably why you are having problems.
For instance, layers are accessed like this:
/1layer/fade etc

a video source like this:
/sources/1video/rate etc

VPT 7 seems to be a neverending project, but I just gave two workshops using it so I have a better idea of what needs to get fixed before a final release, and then I will update the documentation as well.

[Borja Lanza López]

Again thank you for the time you invest in this.

Yes is by the change of osc msgs.

But still i didnt guess how is the one for change the source of the video

/sources/1video/video
 + string "chess.jpg"

Dont works for me.

Would you be so nice to put me one example. As I only need to change the sources of the videos.

[D]

I think it is far easier and more intuitive than previous versions (I was using version 6.09 before).
I do find that the corner pins are a bit more unstable and warrant using the numerical interface to stop them from jumping in close situations (even when selecting XS).  The selecting and working with the corner numbers when you draw corners does work but seems slower than and the use of manual selection of corner pins that worked so well in version 6.09.
But I think it is great to use.

Thanks again.
D

[hc]

/sources/1video/clip "filename"

[Claudio Gabriel Escobar]

Hello, my name is Claudio, I tested vpt and really is very good, this version vpt 7 is great, I have a single query, you can not load more than 5 video qt? in this version, besides the two mix, the static image still?? greetings and thank you very much.

[hc]

Hi Claudio,
you can decide what kind of sources you want to use, you can have up to 8 qt sources. Go to the prefs.txt file in your projects folder, where there is a line called sourcebank and a series of letters inside quotes. Q=quicktime, H=hap, S=still, M=mix. So if you want 8 quicktime modules, change it to "Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q".

hc

[Claudio Gabriel Escobar]

I could only load seven QT, I wrote in the txt eight Q, the last, but the latter always appears in black

2013/11/18 hc <hcg...@gmail.com>

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