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Johnny Billquist
Oct 21, 2011, 2:32:47 PM10/21/11
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Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for Datatrieve-11?
I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX. But any version, for any OS would be
helpful. I'm curious about the creature, and have gotten an opportunity
to play with it.
Johnny
I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX. But any version, for any OS would be
helpful. I'm curious about the creature, and have gotten an opportunity
to play with it.
Johnny
Al Kossow
Oct 21, 2011, 3:18:45 PM10/21/11
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On 10/21/11 11:32 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for Datatrieve-11?
>
I have scans, I'll see about getting them uploaded to bitsavers.
> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for Datatrieve-11?
>
Lee K. Gleason
Oct 21, 2011, 4:23:43 PM10/21/11
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Al Kossow
Oct 21, 2011, 7:06:38 PM10/21/11
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On 10/21/11 11:32 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for Datatrieve-11?
>
> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX.
the 3.x manuals I have are up under
>
> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX.
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/datatrieve-11
Johnny Billquist
Oct 22, 2011, 5:35:08 AM10/22/11
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them. Thanks a million!
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Johnny Billquist
Oct 22, 2011, 5:51:59 AM10/22/11
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On 2011-10-21 22:23, Lee K. Gleason wrote:
> "Johnny Billquist"<b...@softjar.se> wrote in message
> news:j7sdsf$kie$1...@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE...
>> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for Datatrieve-11?
>>
>> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX. But any version, for any OS would be
>> helpful. I'm curious about the creature, and have gotten an opportunity
>> to play with it.
>>
>
> Don't forget to type help wombat
Did that already. :-)
> "Johnny Billquist"<b...@softjar.se> wrote in message
> news:j7sdsf$kie$1...@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE...
>> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for Datatrieve-11?
>>
>> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX. But any version, for any OS would be
>> helpful. I'm curious about the creature, and have gotten an opportunity
>> to play with it.
>>
>
> Don't forget to type help wombat
Also looked at the advanced help, which had more details. :-)
Johnny Billquist
Oct 22, 2011, 5:54:53 AM10/22/11
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On 2011-10-22 11:35, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2011-10-22 01:06, Al Kossow wrote:
>> On 10/21/11 11:32 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for
>>> Datatrieve-11?
>>>
>>> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX.
>>
>> the 3.x manuals I have are up under
>> http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/datatrieve-11
>
> Al. You are a goldmine. I had searched bitsavers, but I must have missed
> them. Thanks a million!
Really helpful, thanks Al. The one missing manual is the Call Interface
> On 2011-10-22 01:06, Al Kossow wrote:
>> On 10/21/11 11:32 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for
>>> Datatrieve-11?
>>>
>>> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX.
>>
>> the 3.x manuals I have are up under
>> http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/datatrieve-11
>
> Al. You are a goldmine. I had searched bitsavers, but I must have missed
> them. Thanks a million!
Manual, which is needed if you want to write your own programs that call
datatrieve. Anyone else happen to have that one?
Lee K. Gleason
Oct 23, 2011, 12:18:49 AM10/23/11
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At a DECUS symposuium decades ago, one of the DTR11 deveolopers said that
the help for ME and ADVANCED ME were noticed by management, branded as
juvenile and sophomoric, and they had to take them out. Then they got lots
of SPRs complaining that they were missing, and the managers regretfully
made them put them back in. You just don't see this kind of whimsy in modern
copmputer companies...
> On 2011-10-21 22:23, Lee K. Gleason wrote:
> > "Johnny Billquist"<b...@softjar.se> wrote in message
> > news:j7sdsf$kie$1...@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE...
> >> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for
Datatrieve-11?
> >>
> >> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX. But any version, for any OS would be
> >> helpful. I'm curious about the creature, and have gotten an opportunity
> >> to play with it.
> >>
> >
> > Don't forget to type help wombat
>
> Did that already. :-)
> Also looked at the advanced help, which had more details. :-)
OK, then - try HELP ME and HELPADVANCED ME
> > "Johnny Billquist"<b...@softjar.se> wrote in message
> > news:j7sdsf$kie$1...@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE...
> >> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for
Datatrieve-11?
> >>
> >> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX. But any version, for any OS would be
> >> helpful. I'm curious about the creature, and have gotten an opportunity
> >> to play with it.
> >>
> >
> > Don't forget to type help wombat
>
> Did that already. :-)
> Also looked at the advanced help, which had more details. :-)
At a DECUS symposuium decades ago, one of the DTR11 deveolopers said that
the help for ME and ADVANCED ME were noticed by management, branded as
juvenile and sophomoric, and they had to take them out. Then they got lots
of SPRs complaining that they were missing, and the managers regretfully
made them put them back in. You just don't see this kind of whimsy in modern
copmputer companies...
Johnny Billquist
Oct 23, 2011, 2:44:51 AM10/23/11
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On 2011-10-23 06:18, Lee K. Gleason wrote:
> "Johnny Billquist"<b...@softjar.se> wrote in message
> news:j7u3nv$9ma$1...@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE...
>> On 2011-10-21 22:23, Lee K. Gleason wrote:
>>> "Johnny Billquist"<b...@softjar.se> wrote in message
>>> news:j7sdsf$kie$1...@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE...
>>>> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for
> Datatrieve-11?
>>>>
>>>> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX. But any version, for any OS would be
>>>> helpful. I'm curious about the creature, and have gotten an opportunity
>>>> to play with it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't forget to type help wombat
>>
>> Did that already. :-)
>> Also looked at the advanced help, which had more details. :-)
>
> OK, then - try HELP ME and HELPADVANCED ME
>
> At a DECUS symposuium decades ago, one of the DTR11 deveolopers said that
> the help for ME and ADVANCED ME were noticed by management, branded as
> juvenile and sophomoric, and they had to take them out. Then they got lots
> of SPRs complaining that they were missing, and the managers regretfully
> made them put them back in. You just don't see this kind of whimsy in modern
> copmputer companies...
Hmm. ME is obviously recognized, but maybe they tuned it down. The
> "Johnny Billquist"<b...@softjar.se> wrote in message
> news:j7u3nv$9ma$1...@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE...
>> On 2011-10-21 22:23, Lee K. Gleason wrote:
>>> "Johnny Billquist"<b...@softjar.se> wrote in message
>>> news:j7sdsf$kie$1...@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE...
>>>> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for
> Datatrieve-11?
>>>>
>>>> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX. But any version, for any OS would be
>>>> helpful. I'm curious about the creature, and have gotten an opportunity
>>>> to play with it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't forget to type help wombat
>>
>> Did that already. :-)
>> Also looked at the advanced help, which had more details. :-)
>
> OK, then - try HELP ME and HELPADVANCED ME
>
> At a DECUS symposuium decades ago, one of the DTR11 deveolopers said that
> the help for ME and ADVANCED ME were noticed by management, branded as
> juvenile and sophomoric, and they had to take them out. Then they got lots
> of SPRs complaining that they were missing, and the managers regretfully
> made them put them back in. You just don't see this kind of whimsy in modern
> copmputer companies...
"current" texts hardly seem that offensive:
.dtr
DATATRIEVE-11, DEC Query and Report System
Version: V03.03-07, 1-DEC-89
Type HELP for help
DTR> help me
For help with Datatrieve commands, type
HELP
For a list of the commands for which help is available, type
HELP HELP
DTR> help advanced me
No advanced help is available for ME. Please consult the
Datatrieve Reference Manual.
DTR> help advanced you
No help is available for YOU. See HELP HELP for topics.
DTR> help you
No help is available for YOU. See HELP HELP for topics.
DTR> ^Z
.
(I tried YOU just to check something that I suspected HELP would not
recognize.)
Lee K. Gleason
Oct 23, 2011, 2:21:29 PM10/23/11
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business of conseling, and suggested you consult a metal health care
professtional.
HELP ADVANCED ME would snarkily reply that you are not advanced.
> Hmm. ME is obviously recognized, but maybe they tuned it down. The
> "current" texts hardly seem that offensive:
>
> .dtr
> DATATRIEVE-11, DEC Query and Report System
> Version: V03.03-07, 1-DEC-89
> Type HELP for help
> DTR> help me
> For help with Datatrieve commands, type
>
>
> HELP
>
> For a list of the commands for which help is available, type
>
> HELP HELP
>
> DTR> help advanced me
> No advanced help is available for ME. Please consult the
> Datatrieve Reference Manual.
HELP ME used to return text to the edffect that Datrieve was not in the
> "current" texts hardly seem that offensive:
>
> .dtr
> DATATRIEVE-11, DEC Query and Report System
> Version: V03.03-07, 1-DEC-89
> Type HELP for help
> DTR> help me
> For help with Datatrieve commands, type
>
>
> HELP
>
> For a list of the commands for which help is available, type
>
> HELP HELP
>
> DTR> help advanced me
> No advanced help is available for ME. Please consult the
> Datatrieve Reference Manual.
business of conseling, and suggested you consult a metal health care
professtional.
HELP ADVANCED ME would snarkily reply that you are not advanced.
Johnny Billquist
Nov 7, 2011, 9:53:39 AM11/7/11
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With the help of these manuals, along with Datatrieve manuals for VMS,
some disassembly, and experimentation, I have now written an interface
from PDP-11C to Datatrieve-11. Much fun.
Since I've had atleast some fair success asking here, I'll try again.
This time it is more tricky. Now I'm really searching for V3.3 manuals.
There are some differences between V3.3 and earlier versions, which
makes me curious. Most specific is that there is a call, DTFREQ, which
is not documented in the V3.2 manuals (not even mentioned in the index).
I wonder if this is documented in V3.3. Or even a hint, if someone knows
what it is supposed to do?
I'm also looking for the reference manual for Datatrieve-11. There are
some differences from VMS Datatrieve, and the reference manual would be
the best source of details on how it actually works in Datatrieve-11.
So if anyone have some more manuals or documentation in any form, please
let me know... :-)
Johnny
paramucho
Nov 9, 2011, 7:05:44 AM11/9/11
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:53:39 +0100, Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se>
wrote:
I've been doing a bit of web scavenging for the past few nights, so I
threw Datagrieve (as some used to call it) into the mix. Not that
there was much to see.
There's a couple of SIG articles on differences between VMS and RSX
here, but they probably don't have the technical detail you're looking
for:
http://www.decuslib.com/decus/vax87c/dtrsig/sessions/
DTRTOVAX.RNO Migration from DTR-11 to VAX-DTR Panel
VAXTO11.RNO VAX-DTR to DTR-11 (PRO-DTR) Migration Panel
http://www.decuslib.com/decus/vax87c/dtrsig/rsx_accounting/
http://dtv5.deltatel.ru/sys$common/syshlp/dtr073.release_notes
p.s. apropos nothing, while trawling I came across the 1994 Mentec
transition announcement:
https://mail.encompasserve.org/anon/htnotes/note?f1=PDP-11&f2=416.0
DIGITAL AND MENTEC, INC. ANNOUNCE PDP-11 SOFTWARE AGREEMENT
MAYNARD, Mass. -- June 29, 1994 -- Digital Equipment Corporation
and MENTEC, Inc. announced today, effective immediately, an
agreement through which Mentec will assume full responsibility for
the development and maintenance of the PDP-11 Software Product
Suite. Also under the agreement, Digital will act as a Mentec
distributor. Digital will sell and distribute the PDP-11 software
products under the current names and order numbers and will
continue as the service provider. Existing service contracts will
remain unaffected.
Included in this agreement are the following sets of PDP-11
Software:
PDP-11 Operating Systems: RSX-11M; Micro/RSX; RSX-11M-PLUS;
RT-11; RSX-11S; RSTS/E.
PDP-11 Layered Products: PDP-11 BASIC-PLUS-2 for RSTS/E;
PDP-11 BASIC-PLUS-2 for RSX-11M & M-PLUS; Micro/RSX PDP-11C;
PDP-11 C for RSTS/E; PDP-11 FORTRAN-77 RSX; Micro/RSX
FORTRAN-77; DATATRIEVE-11; FMS-11/RSX; PDP-11 Sort/Merge;
Micro/RSX Symbolic Debugger; PDP-11 C for RSX-11M & M-PLUS;
VAX-11 RSX; PDP-11 C for RT-11; PDP-11 FORTRAN-77/RT-11;
PDP-11 Symbolic Debugger/RSX.
PDP-11 Networking Products: DECnet-11M+; DECnet/E;
DECnet-Micro/RSX; DECnet-11S; DECnet-11M.
The agreement was designed to ensure security and continuity
for Digital customers. Mentec, an active member of the PDP-11
system community, and involved with Digital in partnering ventures
for the last fifteen years, is committed to addressing the evolving
needs of Digital's PDP-11 software customers.
"We're enthusiastic about this venture which is highly
complimentary to Mentec's product portfolio," said Wyn Gill,
executive Vice President, Mentec, Inc. "Our extensive PDP-11
experience, both in software and hardware, particularly as a
Digital PDP-11 Master Reseller in the United Kingdom, positions us
well to respond ambitiously to PDP-11 software customer needs today
and well into the future."
"PDP-11 customers are important to Digital, and we were very
selective in choosing an organization to deliver the ongoing
development and maintenance of the PDP-11 Software Product Suite,"
said William F. Armitage, Vice President of the Technical OEM Group
at Digital Equipment Corporation. "Mentec has the skills and
commitment required to provide the level of quality that PDP-11
customers expect. This arrangement with Mentec underscores
Digital's continuing support of PDP-11 customers."
Mentec, Inc, based at 55 Technology Drive, Lowell, MA 01851,
Telephone (508) 970-3600, is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Mentec
Limited, whose headquarters are in Dublin Ireland. Mentec, Ltd.
employs 200 people worldwide with offices in Dublin, Ireland, the
the United Kingdom and Massachusetts, U.S.A.
The Mentec Group creates world class products and business
solutions. It integrated new ideas with state-of-the-art
technologies. Mentec has taken the many strands of computing and
communications technologies and woven them into products which
provide solutions to global business problems.
Digital Equipment Corporation is the world's leader in open
client/server solutions from personal computing to integrated
worldwide information systems. Digital's Alpha AXP platforms,
storage, networking, software and services, together with
industry-focused solutions from business partners, help
organizations compete and win in today's global marketplace.
####
Note to Editors: PDP, PDP-11, RSX, RSX-11, RSX-11M, RSX-11M PLUS,
RSX-11S, MICRO/RSX, VAX-11 RSX, RT, RT-11,
RSTS/E, FMS, FMS-11, DATATRIEVE, DATATRIEVE-11,
DECnet, DECnet/E, Digital, the Digital logo and
Alpha AXP are trademarks of Digital Equipment
Corporation.
Ian
wrote:
threw Datagrieve (as some used to call it) into the mix. Not that
there was much to see.
There's a couple of SIG articles on differences between VMS and RSX
here, but they probably don't have the technical detail you're looking
for:
http://www.decuslib.com/decus/vax87c/dtrsig/sessions/
DTRTOVAX.RNO Migration from DTR-11 to VAX-DTR Panel
VAXTO11.RNO VAX-DTR to DTR-11 (PRO-DTR) Migration Panel
http://www.decuslib.com/decus/vax87c/dtrsig/rsx_accounting/
http://dtv5.deltatel.ru/sys$common/syshlp/dtr073.release_notes
p.s. apropos nothing, while trawling I came across the 1994 Mentec
transition announcement:
https://mail.encompasserve.org/anon/htnotes/note?f1=PDP-11&f2=416.0
DIGITAL AND MENTEC, INC. ANNOUNCE PDP-11 SOFTWARE AGREEMENT
MAYNARD, Mass. -- June 29, 1994 -- Digital Equipment Corporation
and MENTEC, Inc. announced today, effective immediately, an
agreement through which Mentec will assume full responsibility for
the development and maintenance of the PDP-11 Software Product
Suite. Also under the agreement, Digital will act as a Mentec
distributor. Digital will sell and distribute the PDP-11 software
products under the current names and order numbers and will
continue as the service provider. Existing service contracts will
remain unaffected.
Included in this agreement are the following sets of PDP-11
Software:
PDP-11 Operating Systems: RSX-11M; Micro/RSX; RSX-11M-PLUS;
RT-11; RSX-11S; RSTS/E.
PDP-11 Layered Products: PDP-11 BASIC-PLUS-2 for RSTS/E;
PDP-11 BASIC-PLUS-2 for RSX-11M & M-PLUS; Micro/RSX PDP-11C;
PDP-11 C for RSTS/E; PDP-11 FORTRAN-77 RSX; Micro/RSX
FORTRAN-77; DATATRIEVE-11; FMS-11/RSX; PDP-11 Sort/Merge;
Micro/RSX Symbolic Debugger; PDP-11 C for RSX-11M & M-PLUS;
VAX-11 RSX; PDP-11 C for RT-11; PDP-11 FORTRAN-77/RT-11;
PDP-11 Symbolic Debugger/RSX.
PDP-11 Networking Products: DECnet-11M+; DECnet/E;
DECnet-Micro/RSX; DECnet-11S; DECnet-11M.
The agreement was designed to ensure security and continuity
for Digital customers. Mentec, an active member of the PDP-11
system community, and involved with Digital in partnering ventures
for the last fifteen years, is committed to addressing the evolving
needs of Digital's PDP-11 software customers.
"We're enthusiastic about this venture which is highly
complimentary to Mentec's product portfolio," said Wyn Gill,
executive Vice President, Mentec, Inc. "Our extensive PDP-11
experience, both in software and hardware, particularly as a
Digital PDP-11 Master Reseller in the United Kingdom, positions us
well to respond ambitiously to PDP-11 software customer needs today
and well into the future."
"PDP-11 customers are important to Digital, and we were very
selective in choosing an organization to deliver the ongoing
development and maintenance of the PDP-11 Software Product Suite,"
said William F. Armitage, Vice President of the Technical OEM Group
at Digital Equipment Corporation. "Mentec has the skills and
commitment required to provide the level of quality that PDP-11
customers expect. This arrangement with Mentec underscores
Digital's continuing support of PDP-11 customers."
Mentec, Inc, based at 55 Technology Drive, Lowell, MA 01851,
Telephone (508) 970-3600, is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Mentec
Limited, whose headquarters are in Dublin Ireland. Mentec, Ltd.
employs 200 people worldwide with offices in Dublin, Ireland, the
the United Kingdom and Massachusetts, U.S.A.
The Mentec Group creates world class products and business
solutions. It integrated new ideas with state-of-the-art
technologies. Mentec has taken the many strands of computing and
communications technologies and woven them into products which
provide solutions to global business problems.
Digital Equipment Corporation is the world's leader in open
client/server solutions from personal computing to integrated
worldwide information systems. Digital's Alpha AXP platforms,
storage, networking, software and services, together with
industry-focused solutions from business partners, help
organizations compete and win in today's global marketplace.
####
Note to Editors: PDP, PDP-11, RSX, RSX-11, RSX-11M, RSX-11M PLUS,
RSX-11S, MICRO/RSX, VAX-11 RSX, RT, RT-11,
RSTS/E, FMS, FMS-11, DATATRIEVE, DATATRIEVE-11,
DECnet, DECnet/E, Digital, the Digital logo and
Alpha AXP are trademarks of Digital Equipment
Corporation.
Ian
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