Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for Datatrieve-11?
I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX. But any version, for any OS would be helpful. I'm curious about the creature, and have gotten an opportunity to play with it.
> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for Datatrieve-11?
> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX. But any version, for any OS would be
> helpful. I'm curious about the creature, and have gotten an opportunity
> to play with it.
Don't forget to type help wombat
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Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
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Al. You are a goldmine. I had searched bitsavers, but I must have missed them. Thanks a million!
Johnny
-- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
> "Johnny Billquist"<b...@softjar.se> wrote in message
> news:j7sdsf$kie$1@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE...
>> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for Datatrieve-11?
>> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX. But any version, for any OS would be
>> helpful. I'm curious about the creature, and have gotten an opportunity
>> to play with it.
> Don't forget to type help wombat
Did that already. :-)
Also looked at the advanced help, which had more details. :-)
Johnny
-- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
> On 2011-10-22 01:06, Al Kossow wrote:
>> On 10/21/11 11:32 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for
>>> Datatrieve-11?
> Al. You are a goldmine. I had searched bitsavers, but I must have missed
> them. Thanks a million!
Really helpful, thanks Al. The one missing manual is the Call Interface Manual, which is needed if you want to write your own programs that call datatrieve. Anyone else happen to have that one?
Johnny
-- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
> On 2011-10-21 22:23, Lee K. Gleason wrote:
> > "Johnny Billquist"<b...@softjar.se> wrote in message
> > news:j7sdsf$kie$1@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE...
> >> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for
Datatrieve-11?
> >> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX. But any version, for any OS would be
> >> helpful. I'm curious about the creature, and have gotten an opportunity
> >> to play with it.
> > Don't forget to type help wombat
> Did that already. :-)
> Also looked at the advanced help, which had more details. :-)
OK, then - try HELP ME and HELPADVANCED ME
At a DECUS symposuium decades ago, one of the DTR11 deveolopers said that
the help for ME and ADVANCED ME were noticed by management, branded as
juvenile and sophomoric, and they had to take them out. Then they got lots
of SPRs complaining that they were missing, and the managers regretfully
made them put them back in. You just don't see this kind of whimsy in modern
copmputer companies...
--
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.glea...@comcast.net
> -- > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
> email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
> "Johnny Billquist"<b...@softjar.se> wrote in message
> news:j7u3nv$9ma$1@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE...
>> On 2011-10-21 22:23, Lee K. Gleason wrote:
>>> "Johnny Billquist"<b...@softjar.se> wrote in message
>>> news:j7sdsf$kie$1@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE...
>>>> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for
> Datatrieve-11?
>>>> I possible, for V3.3, and for RSX. But any version, for any OS would be
>>>> helpful. I'm curious about the creature, and have gotten an opportunity
>>>> to play with it.
>>> Don't forget to type help wombat
>> Did that already. :-)
>> Also looked at the advanced help, which had more details. :-)
> OK, then - try HELP ME and HELPADVANCED ME
> At a DECUS symposuium decades ago, one of the DTR11 deveolopers said that
> the help for ME and ADVANCED ME were noticed by management, branded as
> juvenile and sophomoric, and they had to take them out. Then they got lots
> of SPRs complaining that they were missing, and the managers regretfully
> made them put them back in. You just don't see this kind of whimsy in modern
> copmputer companies...
Hmm. ME is obviously recognized, but maybe they tuned it down. The "current" texts hardly seem that offensive:
.dtr
DATATRIEVE-11, DEC Query and Report System
Version: V03.03-07, 1-DEC-89
Type HELP for help
DTR> help me
For help with Datatrieve commands, type
HELP
For a list of the commands for which help is available, type
HELP HELP
DTR> help advanced me
No advanced help is available for ME. Please consult the
Datatrieve Reference Manual.
DTR> help advanced you
No help is available for YOU. See HELP HELP for topics.
DTR> help you
No help is available for YOU. See HELP HELP for topics.
DTR> ^Z
.
(I tried YOU just to check something that I suspected HELP would not recognize.)
Johnny
-- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
> Hmm. ME is obviously recognized, but maybe they tuned it down. The
> "current" texts hardly seem that offensive:
> .dtr
> DATATRIEVE-11, DEC Query and Report System
> Version: V03.03-07, 1-DEC-89
> Type HELP for help
> DTR> help me
> For help with Datatrieve commands, type
> HELP
> For a list of the commands for which help is available, type
> HELP HELP
> DTR> help advanced me
> No advanced help is available for ME. Please consult the
> Datatrieve Reference Manual.
HELP ME used to return text to the edffect that Datrieve was not in the
business of conseling, and suggested you consult a metal health care
professtional.
HELP ADVANCED ME would snarkily reply that you are not advanced.
--
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.glea...@comcast.net
With the help of these manuals, along with Datatrieve manuals for VMS, some disassembly, and experimentation, I have now written an interface from PDP-11C to Datatrieve-11. Much fun.
Since I've had atleast some fair success asking here, I'll try again.
This time it is more tricky. Now I'm really searching for V3.3 manuals. There are some differences between V3.3 and earlier versions, which makes me curious. Most specific is that there is a call, DTFREQ, which is not documented in the V3.2 manuals (not even mentioned in the index). I wonder if this is documented in V3.3. Or even a hint, if someone knows what it is supposed to do?
I'm also looking for the reference manual for Datatrieve-11. There are some differences from VMS Datatrieve, and the reference manual would be the best source of details on how it actually works in Datatrieve-11.
So if anyone have some more manuals or documentation in any form, please let me know... :-)
>On 2011-10-22 01.06, Al Kossow wrote:
>> On 10/21/11 11:32 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> Do anyone have manuals (preferably in electronic form) for Datatrieve-11?
>With the help of these manuals, along with Datatrieve manuals for VMS, >some disassembly, and experimentation, I have now written an interface >from PDP-11C to Datatrieve-11. Much fun.
>Since I've had atleast some fair success asking here, I'll try again.
>This time it is more tricky. Now I'm really searching for V3.3 manuals. >There are some differences between V3.3 and earlier versions, which >makes me curious. Most specific is that there is a call, DTFREQ, which >is not documented in the V3.2 manuals (not even mentioned in the index). >I wonder if this is documented in V3.3. Or even a hint, if someone knows >what it is supposed to do?
>I'm also looking for the reference manual for Datatrieve-11. There are >some differences from VMS Datatrieve, and the reference manual would be >the best source of details on how it actually works in Datatrieve-11.
>So if anyone have some more manuals or documentation in any form, please >let me know... :-)
> Johnny
I've been doing a bit of web scavenging for the past few nights, so I
threw Datagrieve (as some used to call it) into the mix. Not that
there was much to see.
There's a couple of SIG articles on differences between VMS and RSX
here, but they probably don't have the technical detail you're looking
for:
DIGITAL AND MENTEC, INC. ANNOUNCE PDP-11 SOFTWARE AGREEMENT
MAYNARD, Mass. -- June 29, 1994 -- Digital Equipment Corporation and MENTEC, Inc. announced today, effective immediately, an agreement through which Mentec will assume full responsibility for the development and maintenance of the PDP-11 Software Product Suite. Also under the agreement, Digital will act as a Mentec distributor. Digital will sell and distribute the PDP-11 software products under the current names and order numbers and will continue as the service provider. Existing service contracts will remain unaffected.
Included in this agreement are the following sets of PDP-11 Software:
The agreement was designed to ensure security and continuity for Digital customers. Mentec, an active member of the PDP-11 system community, and involved with Digital in partnering ventures for the last fifteen years, is committed to addressing the evolving needs of Digital's PDP-11 software customers.
"We're enthusiastic about this venture which is highly complimentary to Mentec's product portfolio," said Wyn Gill, executive Vice President, Mentec, Inc. "Our extensive PDP-11 experience, both in software and hardware, particularly as a Digital PDP-11 Master Reseller in the United Kingdom, positions us well to respond ambitiously to PDP-11 software customer needs today and well into the future."
"PDP-11 customers are important to Digital, and we were very selective in choosing an organization to deliver the ongoing development and maintenance of the PDP-11 Software Product Suite," said William F. Armitage, Vice President of the Technical OEM Group at Digital Equipment Corporation. "Mentec has the skills and commitment required to provide the level of quality that PDP-11 customers expect. This arrangement with Mentec underscores Digital's continuing support of PDP-11 customers."
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