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Josh Kennedy

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Dec 9, 2010, 12:30:21 PM12/9/10
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Hi

Is there anyone on here who could add Irish Gaelic language to ESpeak? I
would like to use the teach yourself Irish books that I scanned but I
cannot because I do not have Irish Gaelic tts.

D.J.J. Ring, Jr.

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Dec 9, 2010, 12:39:15 PM12/9/10
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Sounds like a wonderful project for you Josh.  Good luck with it.

David

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On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Josh Kennedy <jken...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Is there anyone on here who could add Irish Gaelic language to ESpeak? I would like to use the teach yourself Irish books that I scanned but I cannot because I do not have Irish Gaelic tts.

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Josh Kennedy

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Dec 9, 2010, 1:02:22 PM12/9/10
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I think somebody who is actually from Ireland would be better qualified
than I am.


On 12/9/2010 12:39 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> Sounds like a wonderful project for you Josh. Good luck with it.
>
> David
>

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> Is there anyone on here who could add Irish Gaelic language to
> ESpeak? I would like to use the teach yourself Irish books that I
> scanned but I cannot because I do not have Irish Gaelic tts.
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Alex M

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Dec 9, 2010, 1:27:32 PM12/9/10
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Hi, Josh,

I recommend Pimsleur cd's instead of a book for this purpose. With
scanned images being as full of possible errors as they can be coupled
with the fact that you are still new to the language, you might
accidentally teach it to yourself in a wrong way since you may miss a
diacritic or something like that. If you are on a budget and live in
the states, see if you can find this book or other courses through
rfbd.org. I speak as one who has learned 7 languages. You want to
eliminate as many possibilities for incorrect instruction as you can.
Doing what you are talking about might do you more harm than good.
This doesn't even take into account that Irish Gaelic is likely not
extremely high on anyone's priority right now since it has few
monolingual speakers and a possibly tiny community of people who would
use it if it even exists. In Linux, this translates as a task that
will only get done by someone who is both qualified to do it and who
wants or needs it to be done. You basically need someone who can code
tts's and is also fluent enough in Gaelic to provide and QC the
pronunciation of the engine or has the funds to hire someone who
will. To make matters worse, Gaelic is not phonetic meaning that it
is full of silent letters and vowel or consonant clusters that have
values that are not logical at first glance. Kind of like the word
bought in English. Ou usually says ow to rhyme with cow and not aw to
rhyme with lot in some dialects of English and that gh is a hold-over
from a time when it was heavily aspirated but is now silent. Someone
has to tell a tts how to treat that sort of thing. For someone to do
this with Gaelic in Espeak, they'd have to be willing to do this thing
requiring such a specialized set of skills and expertise for free.
Pretty stiff odds, if you ask me. Pimsleur is very effective if you
are serious about learning any language. Go for a Comprehensive
course and not a basic or travel course. Anything else is a waste of
money. They usually run at about $300 brand new but you can often
find them for pretty cheap used at used bookstores or on eBay. I've
seen them for as low as 40 bucks at times.

Best of luck,
Alex M

On Dec 9, 12:02 pm, Josh Kennedy <jkenn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think somebody who is actually from Ireland would be better qualified
> than I am.
>
> On 12/9/2010 12:39 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
>
> > Sounds like a wonderful project for you Josh.  Good luck with it.
>
> > David
>
> > David J. Ring, Jr., N1EA <http://www.qsl.net/n1ea/>
> > SOWP <http://www.sowp.org/>, VWOA <http://www.vwoa.org/>, OOTC
> > <http://www.ootc.us/>, FISTS <http://www.fists.co.uk/>, CW-Ops
> > <http://www.cwops.org/>, JARL-A1 <http://a1club.net/>, A1-OP
> > <http://www.arrl.org/a-1-op>, ex-FOC 1271 ARRL-LM <http://www.arrl.org/>
> > Chat Skype: djringjr MSN: djrin...@msn.com <mailto:djrin...@msn.com>
> > AIM: N1EA icq: 27380609
> > Radio-Officers Google Group
> > <http://groups.google.com/group/radio-officers?hl=en> -- Marine Morse
> > Historic Recordings Page <http://www.qsl.net/n1ea/>
>

Tony Sales

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Dec 9, 2010, 2:17:56 PM12/9/10
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Apparantly there is an open source Gaelic TTS engine in a golden pot at the end of the rainbow ;)

Richard Claypool

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Dec 9, 2010, 3:10:49 PM12/9/10
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Hi,

Irish Gaelic will, ina short period of time, be a dead language. There are
only a handfull of speakers, and mot of them aren't even fluent. Now,
Scottish Gaelic is on the increese for some reason.

Burt Henry

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Dec 9, 2010, 6:13:14 PM12/9/10
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I am maybe misinformed, but about `10 years ago I thought I'd seen that
it was growing/maybe 100,000 speakers. May have changed completely since
then.
B.H.

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Christopher Chaltain

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Dec 9, 2010, 6:20:39 PM12/9/10
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I think we're getting a bit off topic for this list. Besides, I don't
think we should question why someone wants to learn Irish. Seems like if
it's a dying language then the fact that someone else wants to learn it
is a good thing and may even repute the statement that it's a dying
language. Just my $0.02, which everyone should feel comfortable ignoring.

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Burt Henry

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Dec 9, 2010, 6:33:50 PM12/9/10
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Richard Claypool

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Dec 9, 2010, 6:36:20 PM12/9/10
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Hi,

I was talking to smeone from northern Ireland, and just thouht about that.
It is compolsary in the republic, and apparently is given some status in
northern Ireland.

This goes to show that even a native or especially a native can be less
objective. He totally didn't mention the republic when the subject came up
a month ago, and I didn't think to ask. Considering is views about the
REpublic, I should have thought to ask if he was just refering to Northern
Ireland, or both halves as a whole.

D.J.J. Ring, Jr.

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Dec 9, 2010, 10:11:09 PM12/9/10
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The Republic of Ireland (Erie) has made it mandatory for all school children to speak Irish as well as the language of their neighbor, English which is in common usage as both a common language and a trading language with the present United Kingdom and her former colonies including the USA.

Sláinte,

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Richard Claypool

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Dec 10, 2010, 2:16:16 PM12/10/10
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See my other message on the topic.  I talked to the person last night, and his attitude basicly was, that I askd aobut Ireland, not that catholic loving bunch of people.  I then blocked him.

Tony Sales

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Dec 10, 2010, 4:58:27 PM12/10/10
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It is a complex situation - I lived in Northern Ireland for 6 years - as an English Catholic which means I wasn't really accepted by either side! The feelings run very deep and they won't change for several generations. The views of of the two sides are incompatible and neither side is prepared to compromise. The same tension doesn't exist in the south of Ireland, but the Unionists dislike both NI catholics and southern Irish catholics, in fact probably most catholics - and having lived there I understand why both sides feel like they do  - it is comparable to the American Civil War, or the Israel-Palestine situation, but if people don't compromise and one side can't actually wipe out the other the killings and bad feeling will remain - it is difficult to forgive if your own relatives have been killed or injured - and this perpetuates the situation...
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