Air scoops, theoretically...

[D Johnson]

I'm asking for a friend... Actually this is a theoretical question only, I'm not really thinking about doing this.

Has anyone converted the Super Beetle moon-shaped air inlets behind the rear quarter panels to route cool air to the engine compartment? 

I know I've seen engine-swapped beetles with air intakes in plexiglass rear quarter windows. But for a stock engine, if you wanted to use a non vented deck lid, could you get enough air through the side vents if you put scoops on them? I'm intellectually curious if this has been done and what internal modifications would need to have been made.

I"m putting a new gas tank in my '71 super and will be trying to resurrect the dual carbs this winter, hoping to have it on the road again next year. It's been off the road due to both a catastrophic transaxle failure and a near catastrophic valve failure since 2008. Life happens.

Fingers Crossed and I hope everybody is staying safe and sane out there.

Dean

[Ray Yoder]

I feel like long ago it saw fiberglass scoops ror the area you mentioned?

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[Ray Yoder]

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On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 1:02 PM, D Johnson

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[Eric Ridvan Üner]

So this is anecdotal, but I do know of two people who, at the same time used side scoops on one beetle, and a roof scoop on the other (with a cool flame job on a pseudo dune-style bug). Neither has stock engines. The side scoops were not at all effective, and the owner ended up with a new decklid. The roof scoop was, in contrast, pretty effective, but still not ideal. 

This was actually the opposite of what I expected. 

Disclaimer: I am not an aeronautical engineer. But ... I can imagine the faster flowing air over the surface of the curved hood and roof creates a slight vacuum. That might reduce the amount of cool air unless the scoop goes as close to the windshield as possible. The side scoops might not have that vacuum, so I expected them to be more effective. Also, there was more area for a greater volume of air to enter. I think perhaps the lack of vents combined with the scoops just created turbulence and trapped warm air, and the flat(ish) undercarriage did not create enough vacuum to pull the warm air out. 

This is an observation based on no data and two vehicles 20 years ago, but that's all I've got. :-)

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[Dave C. Bolen]

Guys,

Ok, I have a megasqirted turboed 1776 in my 68 bug.
I have the fiberglass side scoops and 2" holes drilled thru the body into
the engine compartment at the end of the fiberglass scoops. I also have a
fiberglass scoop that goes across the entire vent area above the decklid.

I also have a covertible decklid with a couple of 2 inch holes behind the
license plate.

The turbo is a lowbugget turbo that sits in the engine compartment.
All engine seals are intact and seal pretty well against the turbo pipes.
Stock doghouse oil cooler with vortex ring on the fan intake.

On a 100 degree day on a 23 mile backroad trip I run around 240 degrees.
If I push the turbo a lot I can push 260 or better but at that point I am
pushing compressed(who know how hot) engine air into the intake. This
doen't happen often because engines don't like hot air on intake.

My opinion is that none of the scoops really helps.

The only thing that really makes a difference is decklid standoofs(which I
don't really like). With standoffs I can keep it a 220 all day long.

Ok, this is the internet age so go to google and ask for

air cooled vw bug wind tunnel


Thre are some new ones in there but this is the one I have watched
more than a few times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtXOUrTc_dA

Basically what it look like to me is that from about the top of the rear
window the air floww "delaminates" from the car causing a vacuum in the
rear.

The sides of the car "seem" about the same.

I am reminded of some of the gene berg writings where he is trying to test
air scoops on a pre 67 bus....he finally gives up as just having the front
window open or the vent window open makes a big difference in air flow.

I did buy a CFM Anemometer and plan to use it on the two side holes I
drilled but it hasn't happened yet.

Cheers, dave

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[andy]

Maybe the reason the roof scoops are working the best is because the hot air is rising out of it and has a place to go?

[John Sroka]

Interesting discussion,  particularly the airflow Youtube. Seems like a lot of turbulence occurs in the tail light areas  of the Type 1, I'm curious if removal or mods to the outflow area (cooling flaps) is compounded by this turbulence.  Found this related article  http://vw-resource.com/cooling_system.html

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[Dave C. Bolen]

Andy,

More like the speed of the vehicle is pushing fresh cool air into the
engine area.

Cheers, dave

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