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Steve Song  
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 More options Nov 3, 8:20 am
From: Steve Song <steve.s...@shuttleworthfoundation.org>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:20:50 +0200
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 8:20 am
Subject: Is mesh density a problem?
I'd just like to clear up something that I haven't fully understood.  In
an earlier email David Carman said:

> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 5:23 AM, David Carman <tidg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The route tested (with ETX values in between) is:

>> > (74) <---1.157---> (75) <---1.040---> (4) <---2.298---> (26) <---1.184---> (161) <---1.366---> (41)

> Note the high ETX between 4 and 26. The link is not especially long.
> The loss is symmetrical. The reason for this poor link is that 4 and
> 26 have at least twice as many neighbours as the other routers.

For me this implies that a mesh node having a lot of neighbours is a bad
thing.  Is that true?  If it is, do we need to take steps such as having
the radios reduce power when the MP can see too many nodes or by
choosing a directional antenna?

I worry about this issue in the context of a Village Telco in a township
which, if successful, could have quite a dense and closely populated mesh.

Thanks... Steve


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David Carman  
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 More options Nov 3, 9:11 am
From: David Carman <tidg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:11:00 +0200
Subject: Re: Is mesh density a problem?
Hi Steve

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Steve Song

<steve.s...@shuttleworthfoundation.org> wrote:
> For me this implies that a mesh node having a lot of neighbours is a bad
> thing.  Is that true?

Yup - any neighbour that you're not communicating with is interference.

>  If it is, do we need to take steps such as having
> the radios reduce power when the MP can see too many nodes or by
> choosing a directional antenna?

I haven't tried any reflexive methods of power reduction, i.e. power
reduction on neighbours of a problem node. Each neighbour would have
its own signal issues. The best is to make reception directional, the
easiest of which is siting the MP against a wall or tree (hence the
request for the etched antenna to be 8mm away from the back of the
casing).

> I worry about this issue in the context of a Village Telco in a township
> which, if successful, could have quite a dense and closely populated mesh.

Where the mesh gets dense, most MPs can sit on the table. This is
where the LCD display would be especially handy, as it would be
helpful to "see" the scattered indoor signal.

David


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Corinna Elektra Aichele  
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 More options Nov 3, 10:45 am
From: Corinna Elektra Aichele <onelek...@gmx.net>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:45:24 +0100
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Is mesh density a problem?
Hello Steve -

> For me this implies that a mesh node having a lot of neighbours is a bad
> thing.  Is that true?  If it is, do we need to take steps such as having
> the radios reduce power when the MP can see too many nodes or by
> choosing a directional antenna?

we should keep the number of packets in the air at a minimum in order to scale
well. For example we are not sending any WiFi beacons or probe responses. Also
the number of routing protocol packets should be kept as low as possible. I
think we have made a good decision to use three non-overlapping wireless
channels and cover sectors with sector antennas in the network center.

> I worry about this issue in the context of a Village Telco in a township
> which, if successful, could have quite a dense and closely populated mesh.

I think 17 simultaneous calls per channel  in such a environment is a
reasonable goal. If we are hitting a capacity limit because of the population
density we have to add more central points / high sides with sector antennas
and decrease the transmit power level. That is also what GSM does in a city
center like here in Berlin. Here the GSM cells have a radius of ~800 meters.

We can interconnect those high sides with 5 GHz point-to-point links and use
Asterisk trunking to interconnect them.

Cheers,
Elektra


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