[videoblogging] Citizen Journalism - multimedia.05

[Steve Garfield]

This is the class blog for Temple University Film and Media Arts
Department Multimedia Production Class, Fall 2005. Taught by Jen
Simmons.

<http://teaching.jensimmons.com/multimedia/2005/10/citizen-
journalism.htm>

<http://tinyurl.com/745yg>

She assigned students to watch some Citizen Journalism.

Four of my videos were assigned and the first student has posted his
comment.

In part it says, "And yeah I learned a few things, one being that not
just anyone can be a citizen journalist because a little bit of talent
and creativity is required. Also it seems like he compares himself to
Adam Curry's style, so basically he gets no points for originality."

He hasn't heard of the Michael Verdi technique of commenting I guess.

I'd like to hear your responses to his comment over on the class blog.

Thanks,

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[Verdi]

On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Steve Garfield wrote:

> He hasn't heard of the Michael Verdi technique of commenting I guess.

What's the Michael Verdi technique? lol

As for that guy's comments... I've talked to Jen about this in
general, maybe she can say what she thinks, but I think part of the
reason we haven't seen more filmmakers as videobloggers and we get
comments like that is that they have a lot invested in the methods,
equipment, esthetic, and distribution system of film. Basically I
think there is an underlying basic misunderstanding of how
videoblogging differs from filmmaking. Now I don't think it's this
guys fault necessarily. I tell people all the time that, though I
understood videoblogging on an intellectual level right away, it took
about 6 weeks of actually posting, watching, and commenting to really
get a much deeper understanding of what's really powerful about
videoblogging.

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[Lynn Lane]

I missed the original post on this thread. Can someone repost it. I'm curious about this one regarding filmmakers as videobloggers. I am actively trying to recruit some of my friends who are filmmakers to open up to vlogs. A few are in the process of starting their own now. 

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On Oct 19, 2005, at 10:57 AM, Verdi wrote:

On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Steve Garfield wrote:

> He hasn't heard of the Michael Verdi technique of commenting I guess.

What's the Michael Verdi technique?  lol

As for that guy's comments...  I've talked to Jen about this in 
general, maybe she can say what she thinks, but I think part of the 
reason we haven't seen more filmmakers as videobloggers and we get 
comments like that is that they have a lot invested in the methods, 
equipment, esthetic, and distribution system of film.  Basically I 
think there is an underlying basic misunderstanding of how 
videoblogging differs from filmmaking.  Now I don't think it's this 
guys fault necessarily.  I tell people all the time that, though I 
understood videoblogging on an intellectual level right away, it took 
about 6 weeks of actually posting, watching, and commenting to really 
get a much deeper understanding of what's really powerful about 
videoblogging.

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<URL: http://freevlog.org/ >
<URL: http://node101.org/ >

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[johngaltsjournal]

--- In videob...@yahoogroups.com, Verdi <michael@m...> wrote:
Basically I
> think there is an underlying basic misunderstanding of how
> videoblogging differs from filmmaking. Now I don't think it's this
> guys fault necessarily. I tell people all the time that, though I
> understood videoblogging on an intellectual level right away, it took
> about 6 weeks of actually posting, watching, and commenting to really
> get a much deeper understanding of what's really powerful about
> videoblogging.
>

I come across this problem when speaking to film/video students pretty much every time.
They have a hard time conceptualizing on how the whole game (from creation to
distribution) changes with videoblogs-- and how just putting up a short film they made in
class as a videoblog almost stunts their growth in terms of learning about this new
medium. The immediacy and interaction from completing a vidpost is much different than
making a piece in the "old way".

Getting their heads away from the "unprofessional" aspects can be a pain as well..but most
understand the "citizen" part of Citizen Journalism.

schlomo
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http://webzine2005.com

[Beth Kanter]

Looks like the class is also creating their own vlogs as well -- here's
the commentor's blog
http://palazzojay.blogspot.com/

I must have missed it, but could you explain the Michael Verdi technique
of commenting ..

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[Pete Prodoehl]

Beth Kanter wrote:

> I must have missed it, but could you explain the Michael Verdi technique
> of commenting

I think it involves yelling into the camera and removing you clothes...


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[Beth Kanter]

yelling four letter words?

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Beth Kanter wrote:

> I must have missed it, but could you explain the Michael Verdi technique
> of commenting


I think it involves yelling into the camera and removing you clothes...


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[Jan McLaughlin]

Verdi's conducting an ongoing vlog workshop based on certain principals
of critique that are outlined in his introductory post, here: <URL:
http://vlogworkshop.blogspot.com/ >

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[Jack Nelson]

--- In videob...@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <steve@o...> wrote:
>
> This is the class blog for Temple University Film and Media Arts
> Department Multimedia Production Class, Fall 2005. Taught by Jen
> Simmons.
>
> <http://teaching.jensimmons.com/multimedia/2005/10/citizen-
> journalism.htm>
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/745yg>
>
> She assigned students to watch some Citizen Journalism.
>
> Four of my videos were assigned and the first student has posted his
> comment.
>
> In part it says, "And yeah I learned a few things, one being that not
> just anyone can be a citizen journalist because a little bit of talent
> and creativity is required. Also it seems like he compares himself to
> Adam Curry's style, so basically he gets no points for originality."

well, I'd give the guy an F for tack, but he has some points. He says:

>>2. some classes on learning how to hold the camera steady.

Like I said not tactful, but the camera movement is a bit erratic. I know I've seen other
pieces by you Steve that are rock steady and I've wondered if you had a tripod or someone
else holding the camera. Now I can understand that if you are making a personal vlog then
"professional" methods don't apply, but I think if someone is aspiring to be a citizen
journalist, you should be held to a (slightly) higher standard and a staedy hand with the
camera I think qualifies

>>1. A wide-angle lense so that when he walks he can view the lcd screen while getting
more of a landscape shot

Now here I think he's asking too much. Spare lenses, boom mics, bounce cards and a ton
of other equipment would be great, but are beyond what the normal citizen journalist can
schlep around

>>And yeah I learned a few things, one being that not just anyone can be a citizen
journalist because a little bit of talent and creativity is required.

Now that's just being an asshole. Get your fucking camera and go out and post something
first before you start tossing comments like this around

>>Also it seems like he compares himself to Adam Curry's style, so basically he gets no
points for originality

Here he's using what seems to me as a toss off comment on Steve's site to further slander
him.

>>Take this as you may, it is constructive criticism and we are in America, the land of the
free, and have freedom, unlike some countries; including China, to voice our opinion.

Yeah, go ahead, hide behind your freedoms, this is not on the whole constructive criticism

Jack

[Beth Kanter]

>>And yeah I learned a few things, one being that not just anyone can be a citizen
journalist because a little bit of talent and creativity is required.

Now that's just being an asshole. Get your fucking camera and go out and post something
first before you start tossing comments like this around

 -------------------------

If you follow the class links (http://palazzojay.blogspot.com/), you see that this guy has posted something.   And, yeah I learned a few things from seeing his video, one being that not just anyone can be a citizen journalist because a little of talent and creativity is required.  :-) 

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[jonny goldstein]

My impression of this guy who commented is that he's young, he's passionate, and very
opinionated. He's posted like 7 comments so far on that one post. I think he's calling
things like he sees them, even if in a totally snotty way. I recommended he go check out
Steve's army birthday post, and he dug it, so he's capable of appreciating stuff, if he thinks
it's well done. I think the kind of passion this guy is showing is great, even if he comes off
as a little immature in the playground style of his critiques. Let's see what Palazzo posts as
his semester progresses.

--- In videob...@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Kanter" <beth@b...> wrote:
>
> >>And yeah I learned a few things, one being that not just anyone can be
> a citizen
> journalist because a little bit of talent and creativity is required.
>
> Now that's just being an asshole. Get your fucking camera and go out and
> post something
> first before you start tossing comments like this around
>
> -------------------------
> If you follow the class links ( <http://palazzojay.blogspot.com/>
> http://palazzojay.blogspot.com/), you see that this guy has posted
> something. And, yeah I learned a few things from seeing his video, one
> being that not just anyone can be a citizen journalist because a little
> of talent and creativity is required. :-)
>

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[Clint Sharp]

jonny goldstein wrote:

> My impression of this guy who commented is that he's young, he's
> passionate, and very
> opinionated. He's posted like 7 comments so far on that one post. I
> think he's calling
> things like he sees them, even if in a totally snotty way. I
> recommended he go check out
> Steve's army birthday post, and he dug it, so he's capable of
> appreciating stuff, if he thinks
> it's well done. I think the kind of passion this guy is showing is
> great, even if he comes off
> as a little immature in the playground style of his critiques. Let's
> see what Palazzo posts as
> his semester progresses.

One of the things about putting your stuff out to the world and asking
for critiques is expecting that some of that world are going to come
back to you with negative feedback. Some people are just assholes.
It's probably not something to get into much of a sweat about. However,
I'd think one thing to note about all this is that people who have paid
for an education (especially the ones in the process of receiving one)
often come out with a sense of entitlement and an over-assessment of
what skill they themselves possess. I'd write off what this guy has
said mainly to a lack of life experience.

Clint

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[Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:10:08 +0200, jonny goldstein <spam...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> My impression of this guy who commented is that he's young, he's
> passionate, and very
> opinionated.

I was surprised to see that he's actually 30 years old. But definitely
passionate and opinionated. He strikes me as a "critical for the sake of
being critical" rather than reflexive. Sadly, an archetype often seen in
schools.

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[Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:22:38 +0200, Clint Sharp <cl...@typhoon.org> wrote:

> One of the things about putting your stuff out to the world and asking
> for critiques is expecting that some of that world are going to come
> back to you with negative feedback. Some people are just assholes.

That reminds me of what I forgot to include in my previous mail.

Jill Walker has written an article called "Weblogs: Learning in Public"
about her experiences using blogs in in a university course she taught.
It's pretty good.

<URL: http://jilltxt.net/txt/Weblogs-learninginpublic.pdf >

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