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wininder chona
Sep 3, 2012, 8:29:18 PM9/3/12
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The shortage of offrs has been perpetuating the 70s and Govts have failed to concrete steps to fill the gap. Govt expects 100 %battle worthiness of the units. Sad state of affairs. Chiefs of the 3 Services raixe their hans up if they have the moral courage like Gen VK Singh.the offrs prestige merits to upgraded. PSOs, Army Cdrs= Secy, Maj Gen= Addl Secy & so on. If the Govt doesnot give Services their due, the consequences cld be grave. Prevent it now. We must rise to seek our rightful dues.
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Subject: Digest for vetera...@googlegroups.com - 3 Messages in 2 Topics
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Group: vetera...@googlegroups.com
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/topics
- THE LOYAL INDIAN SOLDIER STANDS ALONE [2 Updates]
http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/t/87d0080064ac59f7
- A simple guide book on Defence pension in Hindi Free down load. [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/t/50b13e303d1067f6
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Topic: THE LOYAL INDIAN SOLDIER STANDS ALONE
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/t/87d0080064ac59f7
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From: Bidyadhar Nayak <bidy...@gmail.com>
Date: Sep 03 07:02AM +0530
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/msg/82703029e1082f35
The loyal Indian soldier stands alone -
It is with a sense of disbelief that one hears the Indian minister of state
for defence, sitting in his cozy air-conditioned seminar room,
pontificating that 'it is unbecoming' of former soldiers to protest against
the treatment meted out to them by the government. So here's a non-soldier
making a public protest. One hopes that it is not below the dignity of the
minister to read this.
The minister would not have dared to make such a
comment had the protestors been a part of his or his party's vote bank. The
fact that the Indian armed services do not go public with their grievances
does not mean that they do not have any concerns and the fact that they
have been forced to come to the streets should make the minister and his
government acknowledge how desperate the situation might be.
Click here!
The Indian government is fooling itself if it thinks that by dragging its
feet on the issue of the armed forces dissatisfaction with the
recommendations of the Sixth Pay Commission, it can make the issue go away.
A country that refuses to respect its armed forces will eventually end up
getting forces that will not respect the nations' aspirations. A country
makes a sacred contract with its soldiers that while he/she will lay down
his/her life when called upon to do so, the nation will take good care of
his/her and his/her family's needs to the extent its resources would permit.
This contract underpins the very survival of a nation as when its
territorial integrity and political independence are under threat, the
nation looks upon the only instrument that can protect it -- its armed
forces.
While all governments have to look for a considered bargain between their
commitments and power and between power and resources, a responsible
government will always be aware of the serious implications of not spending
adequate resources on defence.
The debate as it has been made out to be in some quarters between defence
and development is a spurious one. Unless adequate provisions are made for
defence, no state will be able to pursue its developmental agenda. This is
much more important for a country like India [ Images ] that faces a unique
security environment with two of its 'adversaries' straddling it on two
sides of its borders and problems on all sides of its periphery.
A government can keep spouting pious rhetoric about global peace and
non-violence but it realises fully that force is the ultima ratio in
international relations. Politics among nations is conducted in the
brooding shadow of violence. Either a state remains able and willing to use
force to preserve and enhance its interests or it is forced to live at the
mercy of its militarily powerful counterpart.
Even Nehru, after neglecting defence for all the years after independence
had to eventually concede in 1962 that India's military weakness 'has been
a temptation, and a little military strength may be a deterrent.'
The Indian public and press remain apathetic on defence issues. We make
Kargil [ Images ] into a television spectacle, an opportunity for our
journalists to try to show their temporary bravery by going to the
frontlines for a few hours and getting the excitement of covering a war
from the inside. And then when it is all over, our soldiers have been
interred into their graves, we move on to new and more exciting spectacles
-- to our song and dance reality shows and saas-bahu sagas, forgetting that
soldiers are still on guard.
This is a nation that will cry with Lata Mangeshkar [ Images ] when she
sings Aye Mere Watan Ke Logon but will not make any effort to understand
the real problems and concerns of its soldiers. It is a sign of the highly
skewed priorities of the Indian media that the rising turmoil and
dissatisfaction within the ranks of nations' armed forces is being given
only perfunctory coverage.
It is an issue of nation's very survival yet the media seems busy with its
devotion of superficialities. Every rave and rant of Bollywood actors is
religiously covered, detailed dissection of seemingly never-ending cricket
matches are conducted, exorbitant pay rises in the corporate sector make it
to the headlines but the one issue that can make or break the future of
this country is consigned to the margins.
We continue to pray at the altar of our false heroes while our real heroes
continue to face neglect and scorn.
The armed forces feel they have never got their due from various pay
commissions over the years but the government in its wisdom decided to keep
the armed forces away from any representation in the latest Pay Commission.
The dominance of bureaucrats meant that while the interests of the
bureaucrats were well-recognised, the armed services once again ended up
getting a raw deal.
The discontent is so serious that some of the best and brightest in our
services have refused to go for the Higher Command Courses and more and
more are seeking an early retirement. Indian armed forces are desperately
trying to fill vacancies as other professions are luring the young of the
country.
Against the sanctioned strength of 300 per batch, the National Defence
Academy finds that it can only attract 192 cadres this year. The same story
repeats itself in the Indian Military Academy. A country that purports to
be a rising power is facing a shortage of more than 11,000 officers.
The reason is pretty obvious: One can't think of any major power in the
world that treats its soldiers the way India does. It is indeed a sorry
sight when India's bravest have to literally cry out for help from a
callous politico-bureaucratic elite.
Our politicians remain more than willing to waste tax payers money by
routinely boycotting Parliament and have never shied away from increasing
their own pay and allowances, claiming that they remain underpaid. Yet
those who defend the sanctity of Parliament are given a short shrift.
The abysmal knowledge of defence issues that pervades the Indian political
class probably gives them an illusion that the country is being protected
by divine blessings.
Political apathy and bureaucratic design are rapidly eroding the
self-esteem of our forces. A functioning liberal democracy needs a loyal
soldier that can take care of the state's security, allowing the state to
look after its citizenry. In India, the State is gradually withering away,
all that's left is the loyal soldier. How long will this soldier, under
siege from all sides, remain steadfast to its commitments, is a question
all Indians should seriously ponder on.
Stand up for the Indian soldier!
By - Dr. Harsh V Pant
Regards.
Bidyadhar Nayak
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From: Asha Uberoy <ubero...@gmail.com>
Date: Sep 03 10:28AM -0700
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/msg/d054b736f7ebde0a
who is dr harsh pant. very well written.the politicians
think nothing can move them.they are living in a bubble
which will soon burst. when the army was being planned at the time of
partition the new defence minister krishna menon
said keep these soldiers secluded in cantonements and
dont let them interact with the other people.like pigeons in pigeon
holes.i did a study at the archivesof the parliament where all these
discussions are recorded.
asha uberoy
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Topic: A simple guide book on Defence pension in Hindi Free down load.
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/t/50b13e303d1067f6
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From: Muthu Krishnan <cm_k...@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Sep 03 04:33PM +0800
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/msg/7564d81876649c3d
Dear Sir,
We have written a simple defence pension guide book in Hindi and uploaded
in the net. Please click here for downloading.
Please circulate to all ex-servicemen and give us the feedback. It is a free download.
For feedback pl. send mail to: muth...@gmail.com
and visit out blogs: www.indianexservicemen.blogspsot.in and www.exweltrust.blogspot.in
and another blog in Tamil : www.ungalvalikatti.blogspsot.com
Thanking you,
Yours sincerely,
Sgt.C.Muthukrishnan.
Exwel Trust.
Mobile.9894152959
Sent from my Nokia phone
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From: vetera...@googlegroups.com
Sent: 04/09/2012 3:08:12 am
Subject: Digest for vetera...@googlegroups.com - 3 Messages in 2 Topics
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Today's Topic Summary
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Group: vetera...@googlegroups.com
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/topics
- THE LOYAL INDIAN SOLDIER STANDS ALONE [2 Updates]
http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/t/87d0080064ac59f7
- A simple guide book on Defence pension in Hindi Free down load. [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/t/50b13e303d1067f6
=============================================================================
Topic: THE LOYAL INDIAN SOLDIER STANDS ALONE
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/t/87d0080064ac59f7
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---------- 1 of 2 ----------
From: Bidyadhar Nayak <bidy...@gmail.com>
Date: Sep 03 07:02AM +0530
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/msg/82703029e1082f35
The loyal Indian soldier stands alone -
It is with a sense of disbelief that one hears the Indian minister of state
for defence, sitting in his cozy air-conditioned seminar room,
pontificating that 'it is unbecoming' of former soldiers to protest against
the treatment meted out to them by the government. So here's a non-soldier
making a public protest. One hopes that it is not below the dignity of the
minister to read this.
The minister would not have dared to make such a
comment had the protestors been a part of his or his party's vote bank. The
fact that the Indian armed services do not go public with their grievances
does not mean that they do not have any concerns and the fact that they
have been forced to come to the streets should make the minister and his
government acknowledge how desperate the situation might be.
Click here!
The Indian government is fooling itself if it thinks that by dragging its
feet on the issue of the armed forces dissatisfaction with the
recommendations of the Sixth Pay Commission, it can make the issue go away.
A country that refuses to respect its armed forces will eventually end up
getting forces that will not respect the nations' aspirations. A country
makes a sacred contract with its soldiers that while he/she will lay down
his/her life when called upon to do so, the nation will take good care of
his/her and his/her family's needs to the extent its resources would permit.
This contract underpins the very survival of a nation as when its
territorial integrity and political independence are under threat, the
nation looks upon the only instrument that can protect it -- its armed
forces.
While all governments have to look for a considered bargain between their
commitments and power and between power and resources, a responsible
government will always be aware of the serious implications of not spending
adequate resources on defence.
The debate as it has been made out to be in some quarters between defence
and development is a spurious one. Unless adequate provisions are made for
defence, no state will be able to pursue its developmental agenda. This is
much more important for a country like India [ Images ] that faces a unique
security environment with two of its 'adversaries' straddling it on two
sides of its borders and problems on all sides of its periphery.
A government can keep spouting pious rhetoric about global peace and
non-violence but it realises fully that force is the ultima ratio in
international relations. Politics among nations is conducted in the
brooding shadow of violence. Either a state remains able and willing to use
force to preserve and enhance its interests or it is forced to live at the
mercy of its militarily powerful counterpart.
Even Nehru, after neglecting defence for all the years after independence
had to eventually concede in 1962 that India's military weakness 'has been
a temptation, and a little military strength may be a deterrent.'
The Indian public and press remain apathetic on defence issues. We make
Kargil [ Images ] into a television spectacle, an opportunity for our
journalists to try to show their temporary bravery by going to the
frontlines for a few hours and getting the excitement of covering a war
from the inside. And then when it is all over, our soldiers have been
interred into their graves, we move on to new and more exciting spectacles
-- to our song and dance reality shows and saas-bahu sagas, forgetting that
soldiers are still on guard.
This is a nation that will cry with Lata Mangeshkar [ Images ] when she
sings Aye Mere Watan Ke Logon but will not make any effort to understand
the real problems and concerns of its soldiers. It is a sign of the highly
skewed priorities of the Indian media that the rising turmoil and
dissatisfaction within the ranks of nations' armed forces is being given
only perfunctory coverage.
It is an issue of nation's very survival yet the media seems busy with its
devotion of superficialities. Every rave and rant of Bollywood actors is
religiously covered, detailed dissection of seemingly never-ending cricket
matches are conducted, exorbitant pay rises in the corporate sector make it
to the headlines but the one issue that can make or break the future of
this country is consigned to the margins.
We continue to pray at the altar of our false heroes while our real heroes
continue to face neglect and scorn.
The armed forces feel they have never got their due from various pay
commissions over the years but the government in its wisdom decided to keep
the armed forces away from any representation in the latest Pay Commission.
The dominance of bureaucrats meant that while the interests of the
bureaucrats were well-recognised, the armed services once again ended up
getting a raw deal.
The discontent is so serious that some of the best and brightest in our
services have refused to go for the Higher Command Courses and more and
more are seeking an early retirement. Indian armed forces are desperately
trying to fill vacancies as other professions are luring the young of the
country.
Against the sanctioned strength of 300 per batch, the National Defence
Academy finds that it can only attract 192 cadres this year. The same story
repeats itself in the Indian Military Academy. A country that purports to
be a rising power is facing a shortage of more than 11,000 officers.
The reason is pretty obvious: One can't think of any major power in the
world that treats its soldiers the way India does. It is indeed a sorry
sight when India's bravest have to literally cry out for help from a
callous politico-bureaucratic elite.
Our politicians remain more than willing to waste tax payers money by
routinely boycotting Parliament and have never shied away from increasing
their own pay and allowances, claiming that they remain underpaid. Yet
those who defend the sanctity of Parliament are given a short shrift.
The abysmal knowledge of defence issues that pervades the Indian political
class probably gives them an illusion that the country is being protected
by divine blessings.
Political apathy and bureaucratic design are rapidly eroding the
self-esteem of our forces. A functioning liberal democracy needs a loyal
soldier that can take care of the state's security, allowing the state to
look after its citizenry. In India, the State is gradually withering away,
all that's left is the loyal soldier. How long will this soldier, under
siege from all sides, remain steadfast to its commitments, is a question
all Indians should seriously ponder on.
Stand up for the Indian soldier!
By - Dr. Harsh V Pant
Regards.
Bidyadhar Nayak
---------- 2 of 2 ----------
From: Asha Uberoy <ubero...@gmail.com>
Date: Sep 03 10:28AM -0700
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/msg/d054b736f7ebde0a
who is dr harsh pant. very well written.the politicians
think nothing can move them.they are living in a bubble
which will soon burst. when the army was being planned at the time of
partition the new defence minister krishna menon
said keep these soldiers secluded in cantonements and
dont let them interact with the other people.like pigeons in pigeon
holes.i did a study at the archivesof the parliament where all these
discussions are recorded.
asha uberoy
=============================================================================
Topic: A simple guide book on Defence pension in Hindi Free down load.
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/t/50b13e303d1067f6
=============================================================================
---------- 1 of 1 ----------
From: Muthu Krishnan <cm_k...@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Sep 03 04:33PM +0800
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/msg/7564d81876649c3d
Dear Sir,
We have written a simple defence pension guide book in Hindi and uploaded
in the net. Please click here for downloading.
Please circulate to all ex-servicemen and give us the feedback. It is a free download.
For feedback pl. send mail to: muth...@gmail.com
and visit out blogs: www.indianexservicemen.blogspsot.in and www.exweltrust.blogspot.in
and another blog in Tamil : www.ungalvalikatti.blogspsot.com
Thanking you,
Yours sincerely,
Sgt.C.Muthukrishnan.
Exwel Trust.
Mobile.9894152959
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