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Rakesh Prasad Chaturvedi

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Jan 10, 2012, 11:09:58 PM1/10/12
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The extraordinary judgemental interest in the media against the Chief's DOB arouses suspicion. 
Your query is understandable consequence of the Media Blitz, obviously motivated.
Having said that, let me clarify that the Chief would have been eligible for entry to NDA even with 1951, the correct DOB. That time the age limit was 14.5- 16 or 15-16.5 or something similar. I am a couple of courses senior to Gen VK Singh, and had joined NDA with 15 yrs 4 months age. There were some younger, with just 15 and 3 months. 
The entry gained to NDA is not based on just your say so on the form. That just remains 'provisional' till a PROOF of DOB is submitted, ie the School Leaving Certificate in this case. That having been done, the AGs branch seems to have corrected the records, while the MS branch has not.
The Book Keeping is done by AGs branch,which everyone else, including MS branch needs to synchronize with. Apparently in this case, like some others, this has not been done. 
The matter really is simple. Its a reconciliation, with the MS requiring to correct records. However, for reasons not  known in public domain,but speculated, the establishment- politico bureaucratic combine, is keen to push the unauthentic date to correct the verified correct one.
This is not a simple case. Gen VK Singh is a victim, not a villain as is being made out.

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    Achuthan <ar.ac...@gmail.com> Jan 09 11:16PM -0800  

    Respected Sirs,
     
    I have been aware of this controversy about COAS VK Singh's DOB for
    some time and had the same feelings expressed by many of you here. But
    now having got the opportunity to read this editorial and the facts
    stated in there, I beg to state that I feel a bit doubtful about my
    conviction.
     
    If everything stated in the editorial is true, how could anyone, least
    of all us the veterans, defend the COAS in this matter? If Gen V K
    Singh has willfully fudged the admission form and got entry into the
    Army on a date when he was not eligible for entry, how could he now
    claim another date as his DOB? How could anyone blame the government
    or anyone else going to the court for the anomaly ?
     
    Pardon my ignorance, if it appears so. But if anyone could clear my
    doubt, i would be greatly relieved.
     
     
    Regards
     
    Achuthan
     
    Sgt (retd)
     
    On Jan 7, 11:46 am, Mahabir Saunriyal

     

    Kohli <9ko...@gmail.com> Jan 10 01:20AM -0800  

    At that time the entry qualification was Matric and age was lower,
    hence age was not fudged.
     

     

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gyan misra

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Jan 11, 2012, 9:54:19 AM1/11/12
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A candidate for entry to the NDA had to be between 15 and 17.5 years
as on 1 Jan or 1 Jul for the term commencing in that particular month.

Maj G N Misra (Retd)

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> >    - AN EDITORIAL IN ECONOMIC TIMES: 04 Jan 2012<#134c99c95ef15187_group_thread_0>[2 Updates]
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> >   AN EDITORIAL IN ECONOMIC TIMES: 04 Jan 2012<http://groups.google.com/group/veteransindia/t/1e37c2557b554cf0>
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> >    Achuthan <ar.achut...@gmail.com> Jan 09 11:16PM -0800
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> >    Respected Sirs,
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> >    I have been aware of this controversy about COAS VK Singh's DOB for
> >    some time and had the same feelings expressed by many of you here. But
> >    now having got the opportunity to read this editorial and the facts
> >    stated in there, I beg to state that I feel a bit doubtful about my
> >    conviction.
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> >    If everything stated in the editorial is true, how could anyone, least
> >    of all us the veterans, defend the COAS in this matter? If Gen V K
> >    Singh has willfully fudged the admission form and got entry into the
> >    Army on a date when he was not eligible for entry, how could he now
> >    claim another date as his DOB? How could anyone blame the government
> >    or anyone else going to the court for the anomaly ?
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> >    Pardon my ignorance, if it appears so. But if anyone could clear my
> >    doubt, i would be greatly relieved.
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> >    Regards
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> >    Achuthan
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> >    Sgt (retd)
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> >    On Jan 7, 11:46 am, Mahabir Saunriyal
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> >    Kohli <9ko...@gmail.com> Jan 10 01:20AM -0800
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> >    At that time the entry qualification was Matric and age was lower,
> >    hence age was not fudged.
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Brig S S Jaswal

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Jan 11, 2012, 9:56:20 AM1/11/12
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VKS & self joined the NDA together in July`66, The age at entry at that time was 15 to 171/2 & min edn 10th pass. Even if result was awaited for 10th class one could still join provisionally & later produce the 10th pass certificate from the school. So he was very much within age limits if dob is 10 May`51. I recall a cadet of my school had to leave NDA after Ist term because he failed in 10th class. He joined later on passing Senior Cambridge. What is baffling is why he did not fill the NDA exam form himself as most of us did before joining & going through a number of stages before final selection to the NDA. What happened later has been `thrashed` threadbare & beautifully given in Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi`s article in the Tribune on 10 Jan`12. He should `stick to his guns` or else resign imdt & go to Court. Let the Govt `fight` over the next Chief - `Dood Ka Dood aur Pani Ka Pani Patta chal jayega` !!!
 
Brig SS Jaswal, Veteran Madras Sapper.
 

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DR BRIGADIER V RAMANAN

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Jan 11, 2012, 11:00:19 AM1/11/12
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DEAR ACHUTAN
the reviews have clearly clarified that the gen officer was a son of an army officer and was born at a military hospital and certificates given by m h . the a g 's records should have more weightage as against M S . eariler more than 8 years back the M S has got a clarification from the chief who was then a maj gen . 
 
the government  is trying . to fix him for no fault of his.
 
i feel the government will fall  on account of this case.
blessings
dr brigadier v ramanan

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    Respected Sirs,
     
    I have been aware of this controversy about COAS VK Singh's DOB for
    some time and had the same feelings expressed by many of you here. But
    now having got the opportunity to read this editorial and the facts
    stated in there, I beg to state that I feel a bit doubtful about my
    conviction.
     
    If everything stated in the editorial is true, how could anyone, least
    of all us the veterans, defend the COAS in this matter? If Gen V K
    Singh has willfully fudged the admission form and got entry into the
    Army on a date when he was not eligible for entry, how could he now
    claim another date as his DOB? How could anyone blame the government
    or anyone else going to the court for the anomaly ?
     
    Pardon my ignorance, if it appears so. But if anyone could clear my
    doubt, i would be greatly relieved.
     
     
    Regards
     
    Achuthan
     
    Sgt (retd)
     
    On Jan 7, 11:46 am, Mahabir Saunriyal

     

    Kohli <9ko...@gmail.com> Jan 10 01:20AM -0800  

    At that time the entry qualification was Matric and age was lower,
    hence age was not fudged.
     

     

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DR BRIGADIER V RAMANAN (veteran)   ;
Ph D , M Sc, MBA,LLB ( Hons) DHRM DCA , LMIMA;
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SHAIL Group of Institutions 
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