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 More options Apr 7 2006, 11:49 am
From: "Kawil" <ka...@mac.com>
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:49:28 -0700
Local: Fri, Apr 7 2006 11:49 am
Subject: Re: The Tortuguero prophecy
Dear Christian and Justin,

Christian -- thanks for the reference. I will be very interested to
read the newly published paper.

Justin, yes the Bolon Yookte'' K'uh glyph is in both texts (Vases of
Seven Gods and Eleven Gods).  Perhaps Christian and Marcus have
addressed this in their paper, but I think that the god names listed on
these two Naranjo vessels are best seen as categories or groupings of
gods.  We already find these three transparent collective terms for the
gods who are "ordered" on 4 Ajaw 8 Kumk'u (leaving out the ones that
are hard to analyze):

Chan-al K'uh, "the heavenly gods"
Kab-al K'uh, "the earrthly gods"
Ux ? K'uh (the Triad title), "the three ? gods"

So, I simply wonder if Bolon Yookte' K'uh can be seen as a similar
gouping of nine deities, even if these get to be collapsed as a more
individual entity (a very mesoamerican concept of divinity, we know).
certainly the impersonation of Bolon Yookte' K'uh by rulers, as on that
Bonampak-area panel or stela, implies a more concrete individual. The
question becomes: how do the "sets" of gods on the naranjo vessels
correspond to the portraits?  I have long been bothered by this, for
there is no neat correlation between name glyph and image.  The newer
Vase oif the Eleven Gods makes this ambiguity all the more obvious.  I
suspect that what we are seeing are potraits of one or more
"representatives" of the sets, such that the artist could pick and
choose from quite a variety.

- Dave


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