Re: Scientists: Most of the areas west of the Mississippi will be uninhabitable within 25 years, desert within 50!

[fortunate kitty]

* US * wrote:

> Colorado's on fire now.

So are South Dakota, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona,
Nevada, California, Alaska, etc.

http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/

> How fast can Americans accelerate desertification?

They can't, but this can:

http://www.elnino.noaa.gov/lanina.html

[fortunate kitty]

* US * wrote:
> You seem unaware of what desertification is, too.

pinyon-juniper woodland =/ desert.

Buy a clue.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/desert

a. A dry, often sandy region of little rainfall, extreme temperatures,
and sparse vegetation.
b. A region of permanent cold that is largely or entirely devoid of life.
c. An apparently lifeless area of water.

[fortunate kitty]

* US * wrote:
>> ...Desertification ...
> Can't you look it up?

pinyon-juniper woodland =/ desert.

Buy a clue.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/desert

a. A dry, often sandy region of little rainfall, extreme temperatures,
and sparse vegetation.
b. A region of permanent cold that is largely or entirely devoid of life.
c. An apparently lifeless area of water.

Hint, climates shift back and forth:

http://www.navaching.com/swest/rio.html

When records of drought for the last two millennia are examined, the
major 20th century droughts appear to be relatively mild in comparison
with other droughts that occurred within this time frame. Even the 16th
century drought appears to be fairly modest, when compared to some early
periods of drought.

[*us*]

It's a process involving change.

Desertification reduces human habitat.

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:30:44 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>Cluebat time ...

Apparently the one thing you can get right is ducking,
albeit at precisely the wrong time.

On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 10:16:16 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... apparently lifeless...

Otherwise you'd have something valid to post, no doubt.

Were you not braindead, you'd perhaps become able to understand
that the process of desertification does not require a pre-existing desert.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:37:00 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... the opposite ...

You can't even figure out how to look it up, can you.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:47:45 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... don't know what a desert is...

You seem unaware of what desertification is, too.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:25:44 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>Cluebat time

If it connects with you, take it up with the source and
then get back to us.

>... frikkin' STUPID ...

So that's why you won't catch the clue much less take
it up with the source, isn't it.

This most likely isn't for you:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:57:09 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>There is no "desertification" in Colorado...

You must be a real idiot.

"Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

>... ignorant tool.

It's not about you, though,except that you serve as a useful
example of someone entirely unaware of reality.

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:56:04 -0700 (PDT), Eggs Ackley <moen...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Drought and aquifer depletion will turn America's west into the new
>Sahara. Still thinking about buying your little piece of heaven in
>Arizona? Cash up front and in advance.....
>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-27/colorado-wildfire/55851488/1

Colorado's on fire now. How fast can Americans accelerate desertification?

[fortunate kitty]

* US * wrote:
>>> The Dust Bowl was only a preliminary warning.
>> >
>> >Of what?
> You're not expected to be able to understand.
>
> It consists of change ...


Oh yeah, 'change', climates really do 'change' over time, back...and
forth...

http://www.navaching.com/swest/rio.html

When records of drought for the last two millennia are examined, the
major 20th century droughts appear to be relatively mild in comparison
with other droughts that occurred within this time frame. Even the 16th
century drought appears to be fairly modest, when compared to some early
periods of drought.

And they can be quite variable in just a few years time due to:

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Niña?
La Niña is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Niño, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Niñas occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Niña Impacts
La Niña tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Niño to the United
States — wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

[fortunate kitty]

* US * wrote:
> Colorado's on fire now.

Yes, something made it hot and dry all over the West:

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Niña?
La Niña is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Niño, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Niñas occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Niña Impacts
La Niña tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Niño to the United
States — wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

> How fast can Americans accelerate desertification?

Did "Americans" desertify the Colorado plateau in the 16th century?

[*us*]

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 11:47:56 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... something made it hot and dry ...

The activities of billions of humans will do that.

Colorado's on fire now. How fast can Americans accelerate desertification?

[fortunate kitty]

* US * wrote:
> Colorado's on fire now.

Yes, something made it hot and dry around the West:

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is

characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases

La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,

1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and

dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

> How fast can Americans accelerate desertification?

Did "Americans" desertify the Colorado plateau in the 16th century?

http://www.navaching.com/swest/rio.html

When records of drought for the last two millennia are examined, the
major 20th century droughts appear to be relatively mild in comparison
with other droughts that occurred within this time frame. Even the 16th
century drought appears to be fairly modest, when compared to some early
periods of drought.

http://www.chieftain.com/news/local/drought-lingers-in-southern-colorado/article_c4bf87dc-e987-11e0-a27d-001cc4c002e0.html

�The long-term seasonal climate forecast indicates that the return of La
Nina conditions will likely result in drier conditions than last year,�
said Veva DeHeza of the Colorado Water Conservation Board.

http://www.plantmaps.com/interactive-colorado-drought-monitor-map.php

[*us*]

After all, you can heat a sod hut in Nebraska
over the winter with only 40 chickens.

Colorado's on fire now. How fast can Americans accelerate desertification?

[fortunate kitty]

* US * wrote:

Yes, something made it hot and dry all over the West:

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

> How fast can Americans accelerate desertification?

[azjohn]

Obama should command that nobody drink water or bathe.

[?...@qmail.not]

On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:50:17 -0700, azjohn <hab...@nothere.com> wrote:

>Obama should command that nobody drink water or bathe.

Have you told him that yet? Don't forget Al Gore. That entire area
could be under water. No, you can't move to Delaware.

[llano estacado]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvnAE8olUxU

[*us*]

Still undisputed:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Also still undisputed:

"Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

Anyone who's convinced that human activity has no effect
on global climate is not playing with a full deck.

[*us*]

Undisputed:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Also undisputed:

[*us*]

On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:24:39 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... hot and dry all over ...

Your personal issues aren't the subject.

Hint: it's the effects of human activity.

Colorado's on fire now. How fast can Americans accelerate desertification?

[SWOTL]

On 7/16/2012 7:33 PM, * US * wrote:
> Also undisputed:
>
> "Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
> woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

[SWOTL]

On 7/16/2012 7:33 PM, * US * wrote:

> Anyone who's convinced that human activity has no effect
> on global climate is not playing with a full deck.

[*us*]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:54:06 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did "Americans" desertify ...

You seem to be idly repeating yourself, when
you should instead offer a valid argument.

Do you believe that human activity can not or
does not contribute to desertification?

Still undisputed:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Also still undisputed:

"Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

[*us*]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:53:33 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did "Americans" ...

You seem to be posting repeated identical messages,
which you wouldn't do if you knew enough about the
fact that your repeat chanting won't substitute for a
valid point of some sort.

Do you believe that because the sun heats the earth
human activity can't do so also?

Undisputed:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Also undisputed:

"Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

[SWOTL]

On 7/19/2012 3:15 PM, * US * wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:54:06 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> Did "Americans" desertify ...
>
> You seem to be idly repeating yourself, when
> you should instead offer a valid argument.

I have offered a "valid argument", indeed an historically significant
argument - you simply cannot accept that these cycles of drought and
related el Nino/la Nina warming and cooling have quite strong impacts
upon the environment of the West.

> Do you believe that human activity can not or
> does not contribute to desertification?

Why would you possibly give a fig what _I_ believe concerning this?

Furthermore, after denying and running away from the hard evidence I
have already presented, (which ought to give even a witless troll like
yourself a clue as to what _I_ believe on the matter) you persist in
floating these disingenuous inquiries in lieu of simply acknowledging
the answers you have already been given.

The reason you do this is because your manic nature is incapable of
accepting that others may have answers that diverge from your narrowly
focused and overly rigid ideological dictums.

You suffer under the weight of your own indoctrination and it bears
particularly hard upon you when valid and reasonable refutations are
offered.

This is because you are an unusually insecure and ergo intolerant
persona, and truly have been for your entire Usenet lifespan.

Few and far between are examples of where anyone has been able to engage
in a two-way discussion with you because you are incapable, regardless
of the subject, of accepting there is any way other than your own.

The sputtering rage this invokes within you leads you to compulsive
multiposting and rampant post-editing when contradicted, and finally the
need to simply wear your respondents into the submission of abandoning
the thread.

I pity you the hellacious mess your real life must be with these toxic
personality traits in control.

> Still undisputed:
>
> http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Well actually the relevant portion, as regards the Colorado fires and
four corners area is not addressed in this url. It focuses primarily, in
its look at North America, upon the Great Plains of the US and Canadian
prairie provinces.

Do try a more relevant cite.

> Also still undisputed:
>
> "Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
> woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

Again, and quoting from your cite:

"Past land use and management practices including heavy livestock
grazing, fire suppression
and introduction of exotic annual plants are believed to have led to
current conditions."

In other words, and hopefully this is not too obvious for you to grasp,
some now abandoned land management practices did produce an effect.

This particular effect however is NOT the cause of the present drought,
nor is it the cause of the present fires (which have flared in half a
dozen uniquely different ecosystems within the Colorado and greater
inter-mountain West).

This is the rather well-chronicled reality that you have been unable to
come to grips with - modern MAN has not created the el Nino/la Nina
oscillation.

It has predated developed human industrial society and produced
precisely the same effects this time as in past cycles.

Again:

Did "Americans" desertify the Colorado plateau in the 16th century?

http://www.navaching.com/swest/rio.html

When records of drought for the last two millennia are examined, the
major 20th century droughts
appear to be relatively mild in comparison with other droughts that
occurred within this time frame.
Even the 16th century drought appears to be fairly modest, when compared
to some early periods of
drought.

> Anyone who's convinced that human activity has no effect
> on global climate is not playing with a full deck.

Anyone can agree that human activity has had obvious micro scale impacts
upon local climates such as the urban heat island effect (paving and
roofs) or the dust bowl events of the 1930s, which were largely
corrected with contour plowing, center pivot irrigation and wind break
plantings.

However, something has made it hot and dry _all over_ the West this year:

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

And in Colorado:

http://www.chieftain.com/news/local/drought-lingers-in-southern-colorado/article_c4bf87dc-e987-11e0-a27d-001cc4c002e0.html

�The long-term seasonal climate forecast indicates that the return of La
Nina conditions will likely result in drier conditions than last year,�
said Veva DeHeza of the Colorado Water Conservation Board.

And in Arizona:

http://www.climas.arizona.edu/drought-tracker/jan2011

The La Ni�a event is currently classified as moderate to strong; it has
maintained its strength over the past month and is one of the strongest
events in the last 60 years.

� Total winter precipitation in the Southwest during all past La Ni�a
events has been near to or drier than average; the strongest La Ni�a
precipitation signal in the Southwest occurs from January to April

Widespread precipitation in late December punctuated a very dry
two-month period during which many regions received no rain or snow.

�Areas in southern Arizona and New Mexico are drier than average despite
recent storms.

� Recent storms demonstrate that during La Ni�a events, precipitation
can vary both in time and space, with greater variability in northern
regions.

� Early winter snowpack in Colorado and Utah, from which a large portion
of Colorado River and Rio Grande runoff originates, is above average.

� Precipitation forecasts call for dry conditions in the Southwest for
the rest of the winter.

...and that is precisely what happened, la Nina shut the spigot off and
we ended up in a drought...

That's not the answer you wanted, but it is the answer you're going to
have to live with.

And predictably we both know you can not, so really this thread will run
on ad nauseum as a ode to your utter intellectual intolerance and
manifest personal insecurities.

So enjoy!

[SWOTL]

On 7/19/2012 3:15 PM, * US * wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:53:33 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> Did "Americans" ...
>
> You seem to be posting repeated identical messages,
> which you wouldn't do if you knew enough about the
> fact that your repeat chanting won't substitute for a
> valid point of some sort.

You seem to be post-editing because you can not tolerate being factually
contradicted.

> Do you believe that because the sun heats the earth
> human activity can't do so also?
>
> Undisputed:
>
> http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Not relevant to the current la Nina drought nor the current
drought-fueled wildfires in the inter-mountain West.

> Also undisputed:
>
> "Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
> woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

Again, and quoting from your cite:

"Past land use and management practices including heavy livestock
grazing, fire suppression
and introduction of exotic annual plants are believed to have led to
current conditions."

In other words, and hopefully this is not too obvious for you to grasp,
some now abandoned land management practices did produce an effect.

This particular effect however is NOT the cause of the present drought,
nor is it the cause of the present fires (which have flared in half a
dozen uniquely different ecosystems within the Colorado and greater
inter-mountain West).

This is the rather well-chronicled reality that you have been unable to
come to grips with - modern MAN has not created the el Nino/la Nina
oscillation.

It has predated developed human industrial society and produced
precisely the same effects this time as in past cycles.

Yes, something has made it hot and dry _all over_ the West this year:

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

And in Colorado:

http://www.chieftain.com/news/local/drought-lingers-in-southern-colorado/article_c4bf87dc-e987-11e0-a27d-001cc4c002e0.html

�The long-term seasonal climate forecast indicates that the return of La
Nina conditions will likely result in drier conditions than last year,�
said Veva DeHeza of the Colorado Water Conservation Board.

[SWOTL]

On 7/19/2012 3:15 PM, * US * wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:54:06 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> Did "Americans" desertify ...
>
> You seem to be idly repeating yourself, when
> you should instead offer a valid argument.
>

I have offered a "valid argument", indeed an historically significant
argument - you simply cannot accept that these cycles of drought and
related el Nino/la Nina warming and cooling have quite strong impacts
upon the environment of the West.

> Do you believe that human activity can not or
> does not contribute to desertification?

> Also still undisputed:
>
> "Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
> woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

Again, and quoting from your cite:

"Past land use and management practices including heavy livestock
grazing, fire suppression
and introduction of exotic annual plants are believed to have led to
current conditions."

In other words, and hopefully this is not too obvious for you to grasp,
some now abandoned land management practices did produce an effect.

This particular effect however is NOT the cause of the present drought,
nor is it the cause of the present fires (which have flared in half a
dozen uniquely different ecosystems within the Colorado and greater
inter-mountain West).

This is the rather well-chronicled reality that you have been unable to
come to grips with - modern MAN has not created the el Nino/la Nina
oscillation.

It has predated developed human industrial society and produced
precisely the same effects this time as in past cycles.

Again:

Did "Americans" desertify the Colorado plateau in the 16th century?

http://www.navaching.com/swest/rio.html

When records of drought for the last two millennia are examined, the
major 20th century droughts
appear to be relatively mild in comparison with other droughts that
occurred within this time frame.
Even the 16th century drought appears to be fairly modest, when compared
to some early periods of
drought.

> Anyone who's convinced that human activity has no effect
> on global climate is not playing with a full deck.

Anyone can agree that human activity has had obvious micro scale impacts
upon local climates such as the urban heat island effect (paving and
roofs) or the dust bowl events of the 1930s, which were largely
corrected with contour plowing, center pivot irrigation and wind break
plantings.

However, something has made it hot and dry _all over_ the West this year:

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

And in Colorado:

http://www.chieftain.com/news/local/drought-lingers-in-southern-colorado/article_c4bf87dc-e987-11e0-a27d-001cc4c002e0.html

�The long-term seasonal climate forecast indicates that the return of La
Nina conditions will likely result in drier conditions than last year,�
said Veva DeHeza of the Colorado Water Conservation Board.

[*us*]

http://dornsife.usc.edu/enst-320a/water-and-soil/?p=239

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:31:30 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Furthermore, after denying and running away from the hard evidence I

You don't even seem aware of all the evidence.

>.... a witless troll like ...

You like pretending that human activity can't have
any effect on climate, but the facts show otherwise.

>... you ... your ... your ...
>You ...your ... you ...
>... you ... you because you ...
>... your ...

Irrelevant. Hint: ad hominem is mere fallacy.

>The sputtering rage ...
>I ... hellacious mess ... real life ... with these toxic
>personality traits ...

Get well soon.

Desertification isn't healthy for humans.

http://www.greenfacts.org/en/desertification/index.htm

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:24:17 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>I have offered a "valid argument"...

No, you've merely failed to consider multiple factors.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:54:06 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did "Americans" desertify ...

You seem to be idly repeating yourself, when
you should instead offer a valid argument.

Do you believe that human activity can not or
does not contribute to desertification?

Still undisputed:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Also still undisputed:

"Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

[*us*]

http://soils.usda.gov/use/worldsoils/mapindex/dsrtrisk.html

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:24:17 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>I have offered a "valid argument"...

No, you've merely failed to consider multiple factors.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:54:06 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did "Americans" desertify ...

You seem to be idly repeating yourself, when
you should instead offer a valid argument.

Do you believe that human activity can not or
does not contribute to desertification?

Still undisputed:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Also still undisputed:

"Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

[*us*]

"The process occurs due to both natural and human causes."

http://library.thinkquest.org/26026/Science/desertification.html

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:30:55 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... can not tolerate being factually
>contradicted.

No wonder you ignore the facts, then.

There are many factors which affect climate.

Make a note of it.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:53:33 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did "Americans" ...

You seem to be posting repeated identical messages,
which you wouldn't do if you knew enough about the
fact that your repeat chanting won't substitute for a
valid point of some sort.

Do you believe that because the sun heats the earth
human activity can't do so also?

Undisputed:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 8:55 AM, * US * wrote:
> "The process occurs due to both natural and human causes."
>
> http://library.thinkquest.org/26026/Science/desertification.html
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:30:55 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> ... can not tolerate being factually
>> contradicted.
>
> No wonder you ignore the facts, then.
>
> There are many factors which affect climate.
>
> Make a note of it.

Which factors were operating in the droughts that preceded the
disappearance of the Anasazi from the Colorado Plateau?

http://www.navaching.com/swest/rio.html

When records of drought for the last two millennia are examined, the
major 20th century droughts appear to be relatively mild in comparison
with other droughts that occurred within this time frame. Even the 16th
century drought appears to be fairly modest, when compared to some early
periods of drought.

> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:53:33 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> Did "Americans" ...
>
> You seem to be posting repeated identical messages,
> which you wouldn't do if you knew enough about the
> fact that your repeat chanting won't substitute for a
> valid point of some sort.

http://www.navaching.com/swest/rio.html

When records of drought for the last two millennia are examined, the
major 20th century droughts appear to be relatively mild in comparison
with other droughts that occurred within this time frame. Even the 16th
century drought appears to be fairly modest, when compared to some early
periods of drought.

Were the Anasazi industrialized?

Did _they_ effect their climate?

> Do you believe that because the sun heats the earth
> human activity can't do so also?

Did human activity cause the La Nina Pacific oscillation?

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

> Undisputed:
>
> http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Fails to address the inter-mountain west.

> Also undisputed:
>
> "Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
> woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

Again, and quoting from your cite:

"Past land use and management practices including heavy livestock
grazing, fire suppression
and introduction of exotic annual plants are believed to have led to
current conditions."

In other words, and hopefully this is not too obvious for you to grasp,
some now abandoned land management practices did produce an effect.

This particular effect however is NOT the cause of the present drought,
nor is it the cause of the present fires (which have flared in half a
dozen uniquely different ecosystems within the Colorado and greater
inter-mountain West).

High Park and Waldo Canyon are _not_located in the Colorado Plateau.

Learn to read maps:


http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires

http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp

http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/gct/coloplat.htm

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 8:55 AM, * US * wrote:

> http://soils.usda.gov/use/worldsoils/mapindex/dsrtrisk.html
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:24:17 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> I have offered a "valid argument"...
>
> No, you've merely failed to consider multiple factors.

Nope, all key factors are and have been addressed:

1. La Nina drought

2. Bark beetle infestation

3. Forest density and age

4. Past and present forest management practices

etc.

> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:54:06 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> Did "Americans" desertify ...
>
> You seem to be idly repeating yourself, when
> you should instead offer a valid argument.

WHich part of Waldo Canyon or High park (the 2 largest Co. fires) has
bene "desertified"?

> Do you believe that human activity can not or
> does not contribute to desertification?

I believe that past range management practices contributed to isolated
local effects in areas of Colorado NOT currently burning.

You may need to look at these maps to discover why your geographic
illiteracy is so evident:

http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires

http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp

http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/gct/coloplat.htm

> Still undisputed:
>
> http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Says next to nothing about the inter-mountain West, primarily addresses
the Great Plains states.

> Also still undisputed:
>
> "Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
> woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

Again, and quoting from your cite:

"Past land use and management practices including heavy livestock
grazing, fire suppression
and introduction of exotic annual plants are believed to have led to
current conditions."

In other words, and hopefully this is not too obvious for you to grasp,
some now abandoned land management practices did produce an effect.

This particular effect however is NOT the cause of the present drought,
nor is it the cause of the present fires (which have flared in half a
dozen uniquely different ecosystems within the Colorado and greater
inter-mountain West).

This is the rather well-chronicled reality that you have been unable to
come to grips with - modern MAN has not created the el Nino/la Nina
oscillation.

You must also come to terms with the fact that the largest fires in the
state were nowhere _near_ the Colorado Plateau.

Now keep spinning ;-)

> Anyone who's convinced that human activity has no effect
> on global climate is not playing with a full deck.

Anyone who blames man for things that occurred before industrialization
_and_ after is a paranoid nut.

[*us*]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:45 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>etc.

That must be for all the factors you've neglected to consider.

http://soils.usda.gov/use/worldsoils/mapindex/dsrtrisk.html

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:24:17 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>I have offered a "valid argument"...

No, you've merely failed to consider multiple factors.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:54:06 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did "Americans" desertify ...

You seem to be idly repeating yourself, when
you should instead offer a valid argument.

Do you believe that human activity can not or
does not contribute to desertification?

Still undisputed:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Also still undisputed:

"Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

[*us*]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:33 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... droughts that preceded the
>disappearance of the Anasazi ...

Do you believe they would somehow dispute that
human activity contributes to desertification?

"The process occurs due to both natural and human causes."

http://library.thinkquest.org/26026/Science/desertification.html

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:30:55 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... can not tolerate being factually
>contradicted.

No wonder you ignore the facts, then.

There are many factors which affect climate.

Make a note of it.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:53:33 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did "Americans" ...

You seem to be posting repeated identical messages,
which you wouldn't do if you knew enough about the
fact that your repeat chanting won't substitute for a
valid point of some sort.

Do you believe that because the sun heats the earth
human activity can't do so also?

Undisputed:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 8:55 AM, * US * wrote:

> http://dornsife.usc.edu/enst-320a/water-and-soil/?p=239
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:31:30 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> Furthermore, after denying and running away from the hard evidence I
>
> You don't even seem aware of all the evidence.

You keep clipping out text to hide your stupidity.

>> .... a witless troll like ...
>
> You like pretending that human activity can't have
> any effect on climate, but the facts show otherwise.

Human activity did NOT cause the current La Nina drought:

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

>> ... you ... your ... your ...
>> You ...your ... you ...
>> ... you ... you because you ...
>> ... your ...
>
> Irrelevant. Hint: ad hominem is mere fallacy.

Localized "desertification" in the Colorado Plateau did NOT cause the
current La Nina drought, nor did it cause the large Colorado wildfires
in High Park or Waldo Canyon.

Learn to read maps:

http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires

http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp

http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/gct/coloplat.htm
>

>> The sputtering rage ...
>> I ... hellacious mess ... real life ... with these toxic
>> personality traits ...
>
> Get well soon.

Keep fuming as I humiliate you;-)

> Desertification isn't healthy for humans.

"Desertification" did not cause the current La Nina drought, nor did it
cause the wildfires all over the inter-mountain west.

> http://www.greenfacts.org/en/desertification/index.htm
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:24:17 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> I have offered a "valid argument"...
>
> No, you've merely failed to consider multiple factors.

Incorrect, all key factors are and have been addressed:

1. La Nina drought

2. Bark beetle infestation

3. Forest density and age

4. Past and present forest management practices

etc.

> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:54:06 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> Did "Americans" desertify ...
>
> You seem to be idly repeating yourself, when
> you should instead offer a valid argument.

You seem to think the Anasazi had the ability to effect large scale
climatic drought cycles.

Is that what you believe?

> Do you believe that human activity can not or
> does not contribute to desertification?

"Desertification" did not cause the current La Nina drought, nor did it
cause the wildfires all over the inter-mountain west.

> Still undisputed:
>
> http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Well actually the relevant portion, as regards the Colorado fires and
four corners area is not addressed in this url. It focuses primarily, in
its look at North America, upon the Great Plains of the US and Canadian
prairie provinces.

Do try a more relevant cite.

> Also still undisputed:
>
> "Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
> woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

You may need to look at these maps to discover why your geographic
illiteracy is so evident:

http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires

http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp

http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/gct/coloplat.htm

Waldo Canyon and High Park are nowhere _near_ the "Colorado Plateau".

> Anyone who's convinced that human activity has no effect
> on global climate is not playing with a full deck.

Human activity did NOT cause the longstanding and regular El Nino/La
Nina pacific oscillation.

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 9:32 AM, * US * wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:45 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> etc.
>
> That must be for all the factors you've neglected to consider.
>
> http://soils.usda.gov/use/worldsoils/mapindex/dsrtrisk.html

The: "Risk of Human-Induced Desertification" did not cause the current
La Nina drought cycle.

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:24:17 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> I have offered a "valid argument"...
>
> No, you've merely failed to consider multiple factors.

I'm fine with doing this all day if you're bored.

Incorrect, all key factors are and have been addressed:

1. La Nina drought

2. Bark beetle infestation

3. Forest density and age

4. Past and present forest management practices

etc.

> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:54:06 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> Did "Americans" desertify ...
>
> You seem to be idly repeating yourself, when
> you should instead offer a valid argument.

Which factors were operating in the droughts that preceded the
disappearance of the Anasazi from the Colorado Plateau?

http://www.navaching.com/swest/rio.html

When records of drought for the last two millennia are examined, the
major 20th century droughts appear to be relatively mild in comparison
with other droughts that occurred within this time frame. Even the 16th
century drought appears to be fairly modest, when compared to some early
periods of drought.

> Do you believe that human activity can not or
> does not contribute to desertification?

Again, and quoting from your cite:

"Past land use and management practices including heavy livestock
grazing, fire suppression
and introduction of exotic annual plants are believed to have led to
current conditions."

In other words, and hopefully this is not too obvious for you to grasp,
some now abandoned land management practices did produce an effect.

This particular effect however is NOT the cause of the present drought,
nor is it the cause of the present fires (which have flared in half a
dozen uniquely different ecosystems within the Colorado and greater
inter-mountain West).

High Park and Waldo Canyon are _not_located in the Colorado Plateau.

Learn to read maps:

http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires

http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp

http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/gct/coloplat.htm

> Still undisputed:
>
> http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Well actually the relevant portion, as regards the Colorado fires and
four corners area is not addressed in this url. It focuses primarily, in
its look at North America, upon the Great Plains of the US and Canadian
prairie provinces.

Do try a more relevant cite.

> Also still undisputed:
>
> "Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
> woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

Again, and quoting from your cite:

"Past land use and management practices including heavy livestock
grazing, fire suppression
and introduction of exotic annual plants are believed to have led to
current conditions."

In other words, and hopefully this is not too obvious for you to grasp,
some now abandoned land management practices did produce an effect.

This particular effect however is NOT the cause of the present drought,
nor is it the cause of the present fires (which have flared in half a
dozen uniquely different ecosystems within the Colorado and greater
inter-mountain West).

High Park and Waldo Canyon are _not_located in the Colorado Plateau.

Learn to read maps:

http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires

http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp

http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/gct/coloplat.htm

> Anyone who's convinced that human activity has no effect
> on global climate is not playing with a full deck.

Anyone who thinks human activity caused the cycles of El Nino and La
Nina is a fool.

[*us*]

It's important to realize that human activity contributes
to climate change.

We can defend our environment to the degree
that we understand it.

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:29:21 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... a desert is NOT ...

It's not necessarily all or even any of the stages of
desertification, you pathetic imbecile.

On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 10:16:59 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... a clue...

May you find one soon.

Should you manage to do so, you'd perhaps become able to understand

that the process of desertification does not require a pre-existing desert.

"Bark beetles once served a natural beneficial role. Now, in the Intermountain West, bark
beetles are thought of as a pest killing trees across millions of acres of fire-excluded
forests no longer in balance with climate and soil conditions. More forests will become
susceptible to bark beetles without dedicated efforts to alter and improve forest
condition.
Forest condition is the problem, not bark beetles."

http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/rp_fh_wadnrbarkbeetle.pdf

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:36:29 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... smoke in bed.

Don't advertise here, no matter how desperate you are.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:44:10 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... the DOMINANT one ...

Hardly.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:22:22 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>* US * wrote:
>> Colorado's on fire now. How fast can Americans accelerate desertification?
>

>Bark beetle fire ...

As if that would be the only factor ...

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0629/Colorado-wildfire-Have-we-learned-any-lessons-videos

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:57:09 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>There is no "desertification" in Colorado...

You must be a real idiot.

"Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

[*us*]

"Bark beetles once served a natural beneficial role. Now, in the Intermountain West, bark
beetles are thought of as a pest killing trees across millions of acres of fire-excluded
forests no longer in balance with climate and soil conditions. More forests will become
susceptible to bark beetles without dedicated efforts to alter and improve forest
condition.
Forest condition is the problem, not bark beetles."

http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/rp_fh_wadnrbarkbeetle.pdf

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 11:45:36 -0600, poor pussy <wr...@ch.ump> wrote:

>...climates really do 'change' over time...

Human activity contributes to climate change.

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 09:40:34 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>* US * wrote:

>> The Dust Bowl was only a preliminary warning.
>
>Of what?

You're not expected to be able to understand.

It consists of change ...

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:29:45 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote::

>...Desertification ...

You aren't able to take it up with the source, either, are you.
That might have been of some interest.

Here's that link again. Do you need help with getting it open in a browser?

http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/rp_fh_wadnrbarkbeetle.pdf

If you ever finally do figure out how to view a website, try these, too:

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2011/1024/Saving-US-grasslands-a-bid-to-turn-back-the-clock-on-desertification
http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/atmospheric/us-desert-50-years.htm
http://science.jrank.org/pages/2021/Desertification-Desertification-in-North-America.html

The Dust Bowl was only a preliminary warning.

On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 21:05:56 +0000 (UTC), Wacko Surrender <inv...@not-for-mail.invalid>
wrote:

>... the liberal problem ...

Your idols Hitler and Stalin hated liberals.

[*us*]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:31:53 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... stupidity.

So that's why you can't address the information provided for you.

http://dornsife.usc.edu/enst-320a/water-and-soil/?p=239

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:31:30 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Furthermore, after denying and running away from the hard evidence I

You don't even seem aware of all the evidence.

>.... a witless troll like ...

You like pretending that human activity can't have
any effect on climate, but the facts show otherwise.

>... you ... your ... your ...
>You ...your ... you ...
>... you ... you because you ...
>... your ...

Irrelevant. Hint: ad hominem is mere fallacy.

>The sputtering rage ...
>I ... hellacious mess ... real life ... with these toxic
>personality traits ...

Get well soon.

Desertification isn't healthy for humans.

http://www.greenfacts.org/en/desertification/index.htm

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:24:17 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>I have offered a "valid argument"...

No, you've merely failed to consider multiple factors.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:54:06 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did "Americans" desertify ...

You seem to be idly repeating yourself, when
you should instead offer a valid argument.

Do you believe that human activity can not or
does not contribute to desertification?

Still undisputed:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Also still undisputed:

"Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 9:32 AM, * US * wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:33 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> ... droughts that preceded the
>> disappearance of the Anasazi ...
>
> Do you believe they would somehow dispute that
> human activity contributes to desertification?

I can not comment on what the now extinct Anasazi would believe, nor can
you.

> "The process occurs due to both natural and human causes."
>
> http://library.thinkquest.org/26026/Science/desertification.html

The "process" not in effect across the entire inter-mountain West, and
especially NOT present at High Park or Waldo Canyon.

Localized "desertification" in the Colorado Plateau did NOT cause the
current La Nina drought, nor did it cause the large Colorado wildfires
in High Park or Waldo Canyon.

Learn to read maps:

http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires

http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp

http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/gct/coloplat.htm

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:30:55 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> ... can not tolerate being factually
>> contradicted.
>
> No wonder you ignore the facts, then.

Why do you think High Park or Waldo Canyon are located in the Colorado
Plateau?

> There are many factors which affect climate.
>
> Make a note of it.

Which factors have caused the 1904 La Nina ?

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:53:33 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> Did "Americans" ...
>
> You seem to be posting repeated identical messages,
> which you wouldn't do if you knew enough about the
> fact that your repeat chanting won't substitute for a
> valid point of some sort.

Just answer the question, what did the Anasazi do to their climate to
cause the 16th century drought?

> Do you believe that because the sun heats the earth
> human activity can't do so also?

Human activity did not cause the La Nina 2011-12 drought.

> Undisputed:

>
> http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Well actually the relevant portion, as regards the Colorado fires and
four corners area is not addressed in this url. It focuses primarily, in
its look at North America, upon the Great Plains of the US and Canadian
prairie provinces.

Do try a more relevant cite.

> Also undisputed:
>
> "Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
> woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

I believe that past range management practices contributed to isolated
local effects in areas of Colorado NOT currently burning.

You may need to look at these maps to discover why your geographic
illiteracy is so evident:

[*us*]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:37:22 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>The: "Risk of Human-Induced Desertification" did not cause the current
>La Nina drought cycle.

No one had said it did.

You seem quite confused.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:45 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>etc.

That must be for all the factors you've neglected to consider.

http://soils.usda.gov/use/worldsoils/mapindex/dsrtrisk.html

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:24:17 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>I have offered a "valid argument"...

No, you've merely failed to consider multiple factors.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:54:06 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did "Americans" desertify ...

You seem to be idly repeating yourself, when
you should instead offer a valid argument.

Do you believe that human activity can not or
does not contribute to desertification?

Still undisputed:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

Also still undisputed:

"Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 9:32 AM, * US * wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:45 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> etc.
>

Yes, that comprises the bulk of your repetition now, so I'll leave it at
a succinct conclusion, enjoy:

Yes, something made it hot and dry all over the West:

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

Did "Americans" desertify the Colorado plateau in the 16th century?

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 9:32 AM, * US * wrote:
> Do you believe

Yes, that comprises the bulk of your repetition now, so I'll leave it at
a succinct conclusion, enjoy:

Yes, something made it hot and dry all over the West:

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

Did "Americans" desertify the Colorado plateau in the 16th century?

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 9:40 AM, * US * wrote:
> It consists of change ...

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 9:40 AM, * US * wrote:

> It's important to realize

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 9:42 AM, * US * wrote:
> So that's why you can't address

Yes, that comprises the bulk of your repetition now, so I'll leave it at
a succinct conclusion, enjoy:

Yes, something made it hot and dry all over the West:

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 9:44 AM, * US * wrote:
> You seem quite confused.

Yes, that comprises the bulk of your repetition now, so I'll leave it at
a succinct conclusion, enjoy:

Yes, something made it hot and dry all over the West:

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

Did "Americans" desertify the Colorado plateau in the 16th century?

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 9:44 AM, * US * wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:37:22 -0600, SWOTL<S...@O.TL> wrote:
>
>> The: "Risk of Human-Induced Desertification" did not cause the current
>> La Nina drought cycle.
>
> No one had said it did.
>
>

Then you should simply stop posting and take a deep breath.

The West is on fire because of:

http://www.elnino.noaa.gov/lanina.html

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

End of story.

[*us*]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:56:35 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... repetition now, so I'll ...

You'll serve as an example of your failure
to learn from your repeated errors, anyway.

"Bark beetles once served a natural beneficial role. Now, in the Intermountain West, bark
beetles are thought of as a pest killing trees across millions of acres of fire-excluded
forests no longer in balance with climate and soil conditions. More forests will become
susceptible to bark beetles without dedicated efforts to alter and improve forest
condition.
Forest condition is the problem, not bark beetles."

http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/rp_fh_wadnrbarkbeetle.pdf

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 11:45:36 -0600, poor pussy <wr...@ch.ump> wrote:

>...climates really do 'change' over time...

Human activity contributes to climate change.

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 09:40:34 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>* US * wrote:
>> The Dust Bowl was only a preliminary warning.
>
>Of what?

You're not expected to be able to understand.

It consists of change ...

[*us*]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:57:38 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... repetition now, so I'll ...

You needn't continue to replicate your failures.

Oh, and btw it's El Ni�o/La Ni�a, so perhaps
you can look it up and learn something about it.

Here's that original, still-undisputed article, again:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:56:04 -0700 (PDT), Eggs Ackley <moen...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Drought and aquifer depletion will turn America's west into the new
>Sahara. Still thinking about buying your little piece of heaven in
>Arizona? Cash up front and in advance.....
>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-27/colorado-wildfire/55851488/1

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:37:22 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>The: "Risk of Human-Induced Desertification" did not cause the current

>La Nina [sic] drought cycle.

[*us*]

"Desertification creates conditions that intensify wildfires and stirring winds"

http://didyouknow.org/deserts/

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:42:48 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>I can not comment on what the now extinct Anasazi would believe ...

So what? Nobody suggested that you do so.

It's suggested that you learn how to read for comprehension.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:33 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... droughts that preceded the
>disappearance of the Anasazi ...

Do you believe they would somehow dispute that
human activity contributes to desertification?

"The process occurs due to both natural and human causes."

http://library.thinkquest.org/26026/Science/desertification.html

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:30:55 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... can not tolerate being factually
>contradicted.

No wonder you ignore the facts, then.

There are many factors which affect climate.

Make a note of it.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:53:33 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did "Americans" ...

You seem to be posting repeated identical messages,
which you wouldn't do if you knew enough about the
fact that your repeat chanting won't substitute for a
valid point of some sort.

Do you believe that because the sun heats the earth
human activity can't do so also?

Undisputed:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

[*us*]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:55:53 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... repetition now, so I'll ...

You needn't continue to repeat your idiocies.

If you actually had a point, wouldn't you take
it up with the sources provided for you?

That is, unless you're merely spewing nonsense ...

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:42:48 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>I can not comment on what the now extinct Anasazi would believe ...

So what? Nobody suggested that you do so.

It's suggested that you learn how to read for comprehension.

[*us*]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:17:39 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Then you should

Whatever would cause you to delude yourself
into believing that you'd be in any position to
give anyone else valid advice?

>simply stop posting and take a deep breath.

Nobody's forcing you to read my postings.

Get to work on your self-control.

Here's that original, still-undisputed article, again:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:56:04 -0700 (PDT), Eggs Ackley <moen...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Drought and aquifer depletion will turn America's west into the new
>Sahara. Still thinking about buying your little piece of heaven in
>Arizona? Cash up front and in advance.....
>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-27/colorado-wildfire/55851488/1

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:57:38 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... repetition now, so I'll ...

You needn't continue to replicate your failures.

Oh, and btw it's El Ni�o/La Ni�a, so perhaps
you can look it up and learn something about it.

Here's that original, still-undisputed article, again:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:56:04 -0700 (PDT), Eggs Ackley <moen...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Drought and aquifer depletion will turn America's west into the new
>Sahara. Still thinking about buying your little piece of heaven in
>Arizona? Cash up front and in advance.....
>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-27/colorado-wildfire/55851488/1

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:37:22 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>The: "Risk of Human-Induced Desertification" did not cause the current

>La Nina [sic] drought cycle.

No one had said it did.

[*us*]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:57:24 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>...repetition now, so I'll ...

You needn't further reproduce your incapacities.

[*us*]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:55:33 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... repetition now, so I'll ...

You needn't continue to duplicate your failures.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:45 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>etc.

[*us*]

Here's that original, still-undisputed article, again:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:56:04 -0700 (PDT), Eggs Ackley <moen...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Drought and aquifer depletion will turn America's west into the new
>Sahara. Still thinking about buying your little piece of heaven in
>Arizona? Cash up front and in advance.....
>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-27/colorado-wildfire/55851488/1

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:57:09 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>...repetition now, so I'll ...

You needn't repeat your mistakes.

Perhaps you believe that pine beetles turned the
Sahara into a desert.

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 2:14 PM, * US * wrote:
> Your personal issues aren't the subject.

{why did you mung the followups?}

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 2:14 PM, * US * wrote:

> There are many factors which affect climate.

{why did you mung the followups?}

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html

What is La Ni�a?
La Ni�a is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the
eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Ni�o, which is
characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial
Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.

Previous Cold Phases
La Ni�as occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,
1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995

Typical La Ni�a Impacts
La Ni�a tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Ni�o to the United
States � wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and
dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.

[*us*]

"The latest fires in the western United States are also consistent with models of fire
activity expected from global-climate-change projections over the next few decades"

http://www.nature.com/news/wildfires-ignite-debate-on-global-warming-1.11025

[*us*]

http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0629/Colorado-wildfires-are-what-global-warming-really-looks-like-video

[*us*]

It's important to know:

"Desertification creates conditions that intensify wildfires and stirring winds"

http://didyouknow.org/deserts/

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:42:48 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>I can not comment on what the now extinct Anasazi would believe ...

So what? Nobody suggested that you do so.

It's suggested that you learn how to read for comprehension.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:33 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... droughts that preceded the
>disappearance of the Anasazi ...

Do you believe they would somehow dispute that
human activity contributes to desertification?

"The process occurs due to both natural and human causes."

http://library.thinkquest.org/26026/Science/desertification.html

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:30:55 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... can not tolerate being factually
>contradicted.

No wonder you ignore the facts, then.

There are many factors which affect climate.

[*us*]

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Global-Warming-s-Terrifyin-by-Bill-McKibben-120720-931.html

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:19:51 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... repetition now, so I'll ...

Apparently you'll never get it.

[*us*]

"Desertification creates conditions that intensify wildfires and stirring winds"

http://didyouknow.org/deserts/

It's important to know.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:42:48 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>I can not comment on what the now extinct Anasazi would believe ...

So what? Nobody suggested that you do so.

It's suggested that you learn how to read for comprehension.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:33 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... droughts that preceded the
>disappearance of the Anasazi ...

Do you believe they would somehow dispute that
human activity contributes to desertification?

"The process occurs due to both natural and human causes."

http://library.thinkquest.org/26026/Science/desertification.html

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:30:55 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... can not tolerate being factually
>contradicted.

No wonder you ignore the facts, then.

There are many factors which affect climate.

[*us*]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/desertification

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:31:02 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>So what?

You're not expected to be able to understand.

You've missed all the other points, so far, too.

You can't even learn the definition of desertification.

[*us*]

"environmental advocates, federal officials and scientists agreed global
warming was a major player in this year�s destructive fire season"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/3/global-warming-seen-as-a-factor-in-wildfires/

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:16:01 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>La Nina [sic]...

Perhaps if you learn how it's spelled you'll
be able to learn something about it.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:56:46 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>...repetition now, so I'll ...

Obviously you continue making your mistakes
instead of learning anything from them.

"Wildfire contribution to world-wide desertification."

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009EGUGA..1112809N

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:53:48 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>"Desertification today", localized on the Colorado Plateau has nothing
>to do with the largest wildfires ...

Why would anyone believe that?

Sheer stupidity?

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:55:23 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did "Americans" desertify the Colorado plateau in the 16th century?

Why would that be relevant to the way human activity
contributes to desertification today?

On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:24:39 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... hot and dry all over ...

Your personal issues aren't the subject.

Hint: it's the effects of human activity.

After all, you can heat a sod hut in Nebraska
over the winter with only 40 chickens.

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 11:47:56 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... something made it hot and dry ...

The activities of billions of humans will do that.

It's a process involving change.

Desertification reduces human habitat.

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:30:44 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>Cluebat time ...

Apparently the one thing you can get right is ducking,
albeit at precisely the wrong time.

On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 10:16:16 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... apparently lifeless...

Otherwise you'd have something valid to post, no doubt.

Were you not braindead, you'd perhaps become able to understand

that the process of desertification does not require a pre-existing desert.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:37:00 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... the opposite ...

You can't even figure out how to look it up, can you.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:47:45 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... don't know what a desert is...

You seem unaware of what desertification is, too.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:25:44 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>Cluebat time

If it connects with you, take it up with the source and
then get back to us.

>... frikkin' STUPID ...

So that's why you won't catch the clue much less take
it up with the source, isn't it.

This most likely isn't for you:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:57:09 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>There is no "desertification" in Colorado...

You must be a real idiot.

"Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

[*us*]

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/record-breaking-texas-drought-and-heat/

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:27:11 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did it continue unabated to this day?

The Dust Bowl caused some changes.

You should find out more about them.

More such alterations are overdue.

>Climates do change, weather patterns do oscillate.

No one had said otherwise.

You seem to be a total moron.

[*us*]

"How Does Global Warming Increase Wildfire Risk?

The frequency of large wildfires and the total area burned have been steadily increasing
in the Western United States, with global warming being a major contributing factor.

Longer fire seasons will result as spring runoff occurs earlier, summer heat builds up
more quickly, and warm conditions extend further into fall. Western forests typically
become combustible within a month of when snowmelt finishes. Snowpack is now melting 1 to
4 weeks earlier than it did 50 years ago.

Drier conditions will increase the probability of fire occurrence. Summertime temperatures
in western North America are projected to be 3.6 to 9 degrees Fahrenheit higher by
mid-century, enhancing evaporation rates, while precipitation is expected to decrease by
up to 15 percent. The Southwest will be hit particularly hard, perhaps shifting to a more
arid climate.

More fuel for forest fires will become available because warmer and drier conditions are
conducive to widespread beetle and other insect infestations, resulting in broad ranges of
dead and highly combustible trees. Higher temperatures enhance winter survival of mountain
pine beetles and allow for a more rapid lifecycle. At the same time, moderate drought
conditions for a year or longer can weaken trees, allowing bark beetles to overcome the
trees� defense mechanisms more easily.

Increased frequency of lightning is expected as thunderstorms become more severe. In the
western United States a 1.8 degree Fahrenheit increase in temperature is expected to lead
to a 6 percent increase in lightning. This means that lightning in the region could
increase by 12 to 30 percent by mid-century.

The bottom line is that the overall area burned is projected to double by late this
century across 11 western states if the average summertime temperature increases 2.9
degrees Fahrenheit, with Montana, Wyoming, New Mexico and Utah being hit particularly
hard."

Exerpted from:

"Global Warming and Wildfires"

http://www.nwf.org/Global-Warming/What-is-Global-Warming/Global-Warming-is-Causing-Extreme-Weather/Wildfires.aspx

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:38 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>...End of story.

You need to provide facts not fairy tales.

[*us*]

"The effects of global warming on temperature, precipitation levels, and soil
moisture are turning many of our forests into kindling during wildfire season."

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/global-warming-and-wildfire.html

[*us*]

"4 Ways Global Warming Increases Wildfire Risk"

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/global-warming-wildfires-47050701

The Sahara is an example of what happens elsewhere.

{There's no evidence that its conditions would be that unique.)

[*us*]

"Global Warming and Wildfires"

http://www.nwf.org/Global-Warming/What-is-Global-Warming/Global-Warming-is-Causing-Extreme-Weather/Wildfires.aspx

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:38 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>...End of story.

You need to provide facts not fairy tales.

[*us*]

"Natural cycles, human activities�such as land-use (clearing, development, mining) and
fire exclusion�as well as climate change can influence the likelihood of wildfires."

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/global-warming-and-wildfire.html

Those scientists have a point.

[*us*]

It remains, of course, undisputed:

Were you not braindead, you'd perhaps become able to understand

that the process of desertification does not require a pre-existing desert.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:37:00 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... the opposite ...

You can't even figure out how to look it up, can you.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:47:45 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... don't know what a desert is...

You seem unaware of what desertification is, too.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:25:44 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>Cluebat time

If it connects with you, take it up with the source and
then get back to us.

>... frikkin' STUPID ...

So that's why you won't catch the clue much less take
it up with the source, isn't it.

This most likely isn't for you:

http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:57:09 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>There is no "desertification" in Colorado...

You must be a real idiot.

"Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

>... ignorant tool.

It's not about you, though,except that you serve as a useful
example of someone entirely unaware of reality.

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:56:04 -0700 (PDT), Eggs Ackley <moen...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Drought and aquifer depletion will turn America's west into the new
>Sahara. Still thinking about buying your little piece of heaven in
>Arizona? Cash up front and in advance.....
>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-27/colorado-wildfire/55851488/1

[*us*]

""Since 1986, longer, warmer summers have resulted in a fourfold increase
of major wildfires and a sixfold increase in the area of forest burned, compared
to the period from 1970 to 1986," according to the journal Science. (See:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/313/5789/927)."

From:

http://www.thedailygreen.com/living-green/definitions/Wildfires

Desertification definitely reduces human habitat.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:57:55 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... repetition now, so I'll ...

Obviously you'd do better if you knew something.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:55:23 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... the 16th century ...

Today, human activities are known to affect climate.

On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:24:39 -0600, poor pussy <wrong@chump> wrote:

>... hot and dry all over ...

Your personal issues aren't the subject.

[*us*]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:31:02 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>So what?

You're not expected to be able to understand.

You've missed all the other points, so far, too.

You can't even learn the definition of desertification.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/desertification

[*us*]

"a hotter Earth resulting from global warming will lead to more frequent and larger fires"

From:

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/wildfires.html

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:56:59 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... repetition now, so I'll ...

You seem unable to recognize the fact that human
activities contribute to desertification.

Perhaps you're not well-enough hydrated to have
normal cerebral function.

"Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper
woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385

[*us*]

"The country's western forests, which traditionally act as
storage "sinks" for sequestering 20 to 40 percent of all
U.S. carbon output, are now transforming into a source
of atmospheric carbon dioxide as they burn up"

From:

"Global Warming Fuels U.S. Forest Fires"

http://www.livescience.com/4113-global-warming-fuels-forest-fires.html

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:56:46 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>...repetition now, so I'll ...

Obviously you continue making your mistakes
instead of learning anything from them.

"Wildfire contribution to world-wide desertification."

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009EGUGA..1112809N

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:53:48 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>"Desertification today", localized on the Colorado Plateau has nothing
>to do with the largest wildfires ...

Why would anyone believe that?

Sheer stupidity?

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:55:23 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did "Americans" desertify the Colorado plateau in the 16th century?

Why would that be relevant to the way human activity
contributes to desertification today?

[*us*]

"this "biomass" burning is part of the equation for global warming"

From:

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/wildfires.html

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:56:59 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... repetition now, so I'll ...

You seem unable to recognize the fact that human
activities contribute to desertification.

Perhaps you're not well-enough hydrated to have
normal cerebral function.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:55:23 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>... the 16th century ...

Today, human activities are known to affect climate.

[*us*]

Notice that this reports facts and makes sense:

"Wildfire contribution to world-wide desertification."

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009EGUGA..1112809N

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:53:48 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>"Desertification today", localized on the Colorado Plateau has nothing
>to do with the largest wildfires ...

Why would anyone believe that?

Sheer stupidity?

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:55:23 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>Did "Americans" desertify the Colorado plateau in the 16th century?

Why would that be relevant to the way human activity
contributes to desertification today?

[*us*]

"A recent increase in wildfire activity has been correlated with
rising seasonal temperatures and the earlier arrival of spring"

From:

"Global Warming Fuels U.S. Forest Fires"

http://www.livescience.com/4113-global-warming-fuels-forest-fires.html

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:56:46 -0600, SWOTL <S...@O.TL> wrote:

>...repetition now, so I'll ...

Obviously you continue making your mistakes
instead of learning anything from them.

[SWOTL]

[SWOTL]

[SWOTL]

On 7/20/2012 2:36 PM, SWOTL wrote:

[Bye Bye Glove]

Obama: Shovel-Ready Not as Shovel-Ready as We Expected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O55aRrvXtio