Chuck Norris claims thousands of right wing cell groups exist and will rebel against U.S. government
chatnoir
Chuck Norris claims thousands of right wing cell groups exist and
will
rebel against U.S. government
March 9, 7:33 AM · 748 comments
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The call by some right wing leaders for rebellion and for the
military
to refuse the commander in chief’s orders is joined by Chuck Norris
who claims that thousands of right wing cell groups have organized
and
are ready for a second American Revolution. During an appearance on
the Glen Beck radio show he promised that if things get any worse
from
his point of view he may “run for president of Texas.” The martial
artist/actor/activist claims that Texas was never formally a part of
the United States in the first place and that if rebellion is to come
through secession Texas would lead the way.
Today in his syndicated column on WorldNetDaily Norris reiterates the
point: “That need may be a reality sooner than we think. If not me,
someone someday may again be running for president of the Lone Star
state, if the state of the union continues to turn into the enemy of
the state.”
He continues; calling on a second American Revolution; “…we've
bastardized the First Amendment, reinterpreted America's religious
history and secularized our society until we ooze skepticism and
circumvent religion on every level of public and private life.
How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And,
when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history
need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which
states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
and to institute new Government…”
Norris claims that; “Thousands of cell groups will be united around
the country in solidarity over the concerns for our nation.” The
right
wing cells will meet during a live telecast, "We Surround Them," on
Friday March 13 at 5 p.m.
He closes with the words of Sam Houston followed by a plug for his
next martial arts event.
“We view ourselves on the eve of battle."
(Note: Speaking of showdowns, Chuck is also inviting anyone near the
Houston area this weekend to see a good example of the raw Texas
fighting spirit by joining him and others for the national martial
arts event, "Showdown in H-Town.")“
MEG
He (slamma) is not the president,he is not legal, they shouldn't be
following his orders.
Curt
> How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And,
> when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history
> need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
> authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which
> states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
> these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
> and to institute new Government…”
Treason can get a guy executed.
Curt
Howard Johnson
Sensible reply.
mrmcafee
Shorty had better hope that his tax accounting is in order...
Word
You mean that The messiah would violate the Constitution of the United
States and single out an individual for persecution?
Word
It didn't bother Clinton.
Curt
Happens all the time -- gummint singling out an individual for
"persecution". In fact, right now, in my neck of the woods, some lady
killed her husband and is being singled out for .. well, she probably
does think of it as "persecution".
The DA, however, and the sheriff (and me) prefer the term
"prosecution".
Curt
Howard Johnson
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Inside job....
Bill Shatzer
> http://tinyurl.com/da89dt
>
> Chuck Norris claims thousands of right wing cell groups exist and
> will
> rebel against U.S. government
> March 9, 7:33 AM · 748 comments
Chuck Norris? Isn't he some sort of third-tier actor?
We might as well listen to Mr. T.
-snip-
> (Note: Speaking of showdowns, Chuck is also inviting anyone near the
> Houston area this weekend to see a good example of the raw Texas
> fighting spirit by joining him and others for the national martial
> arts event, "Showdown in H-Town.")“
Heh! Now it comes out. Whatchawanna bet Chuckie has a financial
interest in the "Showdown in H-Town".
I guess ya' do what ya' gotta do to drum up an audience and make a buck.
Peace and justice,
Howard Johnson
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Bill Shatzer
He's the president, he's legal, and folks who don't follow orders will
end up in front of a court martial.
Peace and justice,
Howard Johnson
> He's the president, he's legal, and folks who don't follow orders will
> end up in front of a court martial.
Oh look at fascist Shitzie play Goerring!
Jawol, mein sheisskopf!
Bill Shatzer
Probably not. SFAIK, the only American executed for treason was John
Brown - and that was for treason against the state of Virginia and not
the United States.
peace and justice,
Howard Johnson
> peace and justice,
>
Kibbles and bits, you fucking TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bill Shatzer
That's rather what prosecutors do.
You'd not want them to be prosecuting just anyone.
peace and justice,
Howard Johnson
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> You'd not want them to be prosecuting just anyone.
>
> peace and justice,
>
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>Bill Shatzer wrote:
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>And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
>adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
>
>You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
>economic injury incurred from that event.
>
>It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
>another 9-11 every six or seven years.
>
>Peace and justice,
>
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>Bill Shatzer wrote:
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>And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
>adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
>
>You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
>economic injury incurred from that event.
>
>It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
>another 9-11 every six or seven years.
>
>Peace and justice,
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Sancho Panza
"Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
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What's the matter, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg weren't friends of yours?
Curt
> Bill Shatzer wrote:
> > He's the president, he's legal, and folks who don't follow orders will
> > end up in front of a court martial.
>
> Oh look at fascist Shitzie play Goerring!
I didn't get fascism out of that. If the president orders a military
guy to do something, and it's a legal order, and the guy refuses,
that's what you do with a military guy that refuses to follow orders.
You court martial them.
Curt
Curt
But, still, treason can get you executed.
I don't see executing teevee stars as likely, but still, talk like
Chuck's treads pretty close to treasonous.
Curt
Curt
Were they executed for treason? Or for spying?
Curt
chatnoir
> chatnoir wrote:
> >http://tinyurl.com/da89dt
>
> > Chuck Norris claims thousands of right wing cell groups exist and
> > will
> > rebel against U.S. government
> > March 9, 7:33 AM · 748 comments
>
> Chuck Norris? Isn't he some sort of third-tier actor?
>
> We might as well listen to Mr. T.
AND Hitler was vat?
Sancho Panza
"Curt" <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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====
Heil! Heil! Another one who never heard of Nuremburg.
Sancho Panza
===
Your silence was deafening when exactly that action was put forth for Bush
and Cheney. The double standard must be painful.
Sancho Panza
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Gee, you'd think that would be a relatively easy fact to look up. But, then
again, maybe not.
g...@amusenet.com
When you get a chance, look up the Uniform Code of Military Justice
and read it through.
mrmcafee
> mrmcafee wrote:
>> Curt wrote:
>>> On Mar 23, 2:24 pm, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And,
>>>> when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history
>>>> need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
>>>> authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which
>>>> states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
>>>> these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
>>>> and to institute new Government…”
>>>
>>>
>>> Treason can get a guy executed.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Shorty had better hope that his tax accounting is in order...
>
> You mean that The messiah would violate the Constitution of the United
> States and single out an individual for persecution?
Individuals are sought out for prosecution everyday! How else do you get
convictions of tax cheats? Just ask Al Capone and Ted Stevens.
SMITH29
> chatnoir wrote:
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/da89dt
>>
>> Chuck Norris claims thousands of right wing cell groups exist and
>> will
>> rebel against U.S. government
>> March 9, 7:33 AM · 748 comments
>
> Chuck Norris? Isn't he some sort of third-tier actor?
xxxx
Actually, he sits around the Moonbat campfire with goofy ideas same as you.
> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
> And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
> adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
>
> You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
> economic injury incurred from that event.
>
> It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
> another 9-11 every six or seven years.
>
>
>
> Peace and justice,
>
> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>
>>
>> except of course, most humans produce no methane at all. I like to think
>> of myself as being among the non-producing majority.
>>
>> peace and justice,
>
>
>
mrmcafee
It was spying, and Ethel at least was innocent.
chatnoir
> Bill Shatzer wrote:
> > chatnoir wrote:
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/da89dt
>
> >> Chuck Norris claims thousands of right wing cell groups exist and
> >> will
> >> rebel against U.S. government
> >> March 9, 7:33 AM · 748 comments
>
> > Chuck Norris? Isn't he some sort of third-tier actor?
>
> xxxx
> Actually, he sits around the Moonbat campfire with goofy ideas same as you.
Pot, Kettle, Black!
>
>
>
> > Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
> > And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
> > adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
>
> > You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
> > economic injury incurred from that event.
>
> > It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
> > another 9-11 every six or seven years.
>
> > Peace and justice,
>
> > Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
> >> except of course, most humans produce no methane at all. I like to think
> >> of myself as being among the non-producing majority.
>
> >> peace and justice,- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Word
Evidently it is going to be standard practice for the miraculous brown
messiah.
Phxbrd
"mrmcafee" <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Curt wrote:
>> On Mar 23, 2:24 pm, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And,
>>> when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history
>>> need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
>>> authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which
>>> states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
>>> these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
>>> and to institute new Government…”
>>
>>
>> Treason can get a guy executed.
>>
>> Curt
>
>
> Shorty had better hope that his tax accounting is in order...
I guess mine was. I got my small refund yesterday.
Howard Johnson
> On Mar 23, 10:45 pm, Howard Johnson <h...@jo.exit> wrote:
>> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>> He's the president, he's legal, and folks who don't follow orders will
>>> end up in front of a court martial.
>> Oh look at fascist Shitzie play Goerring!
>
> I didn't get fascism out of that.
I did.
Howard Johnson
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You stupid FUCKWIT, read the Constitution some time!
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/congress-threatens-aig-attainder-bill
U.S. Constitution
Article 1 Section 9
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
Article 1 Section 10
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation;
grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit;
make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;
pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the
Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
In case you don’t happen to know what a Bill of Attainder is, here is a
handy definition from the Tech Law Journal:
Bill of Attainder
Definition: A legislative act that singles out an individual or
group for punishment without a trial.
"The Bill of Attainder Clause was intended not as a narrow,
technical (and therefore soon to be outmoded) prohibition, but rather as
an implementation of the separation of powers, a general safeguard
against legislative exercise of the judicial function or more simply -
trial by legislature." U.S. v. Brown, 381 U.S. 437, 440 (1965).
"These clauses of the Constitution are not of the broad, general
nature of the Due Process Clause, but refer to rather precise legal
terms which had a meaning under English law at the time the Constitution
was adopted. A bill of attainder was a legislative act that singled out
one or more persons and imposed punishment on them, without benefit of
trial. Such actions were regarded as odious by the framers of the
Constitution because it was the traditional role of a court, judging an
individual case, to impose punishment." William H. Rehnquist, The
Supreme Court, page 166.
"Bills of attainder, ex post facto laws, and laws impairing the
obligations of contracts, are contrary to the first principles of the
social compact, and to every principle of sound legislation. … The sober
people of America are weary of the fluctuating policy which has directed
the public councils. They have seen with regret and indignation that
sudden changes and legislative interferences, in cases affecting
personal rights, become jobs in the hands of enterprising and
influential speculators, and snares to the more-industrious and
less-informed part of the community." James Madison, Federalist Number
44, 1788.
But never mind any of that.
Messrs Reid and Schumer are not about to let their (feigned) self
righteous wrath be limited by such niceties as the Constitution.
Howard Johnson
Curt
> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Dumb fuck. If you court martial them and they were justified in
disobeying their orders, they're acquitted.
Curt
MEG
> On Mar 23, 2:24 pm, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And,
> > when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history
> > need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
> > authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which
> > states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
> > these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
> > and to institute new Government…”
>
> Treason can get a guy executed.
>
> Curt
I don't know if I would call protecting the constitution treason.
Slamma never proved he was legal to be president and you have never
produced evidence of it either. Your ditsy jpg on fact check proves
nothing. I have one too that says other wise.
Curt
> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Neither one of us knows what you're talking about here. I seem to be
the only one that knows that, though.
Curt
Curt
> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
So what do they have to do with Mr. Norris's potentially treasonous
speech?
Norris didn't sell atom bomb plans to the Russians.
Curt
MEG
> Curt wrote:
> > On Mar 23, 2:24 pm, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >> How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And,
> >> when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history
> >> need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
> >> authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which
> >> states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
> >> these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
> >> and to institute new Government…”
>
> > Treason can get a guy executed.
>
>
> Shorty had better hope that his tax accounting is in order...
“We can’t be so fixed on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary
citizens,” Bill Clinton, March 11, 1993.
Legal opponents of President Bill Clinton were singled out for tax
audits.” Paul Breslan, IRS Official from Court Records.
MEG
Only if he is legally president, a fact that for some reason a lot of
people don't want found out.
MEG
I think getting elected president when you are not legally eligible
for the job is treason.
Bill Shatzer
> "Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
> news:gq9s49$f8u$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>>Curt wrote:
>>>On Mar 23, 2:24 pm, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And,
>>>>when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history
>>>>need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
>>>>authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which
>>>>states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
>>>>these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
>>>>and to institute new Government…”
>>>Treason can get a guy executed.
>>Probably not. SFAIK, the only American executed for treason was John
>>Brown - and that was for treason against the state of Virginia and not the
>>United States.
> What's the matter, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg weren't friends of yours?
The Rosenbergs were convicted of, and executed for, espionage, not treason.
Do try and keep up.
peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
Well, not under the constitutional definition.
Insurrection or sedition perhaps but not treason.
Peace and justice,
Howard Johnson
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Howard Johnson
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Do try and keep up.
>
>
> peace and justice,
>
Curt
You're such a goober.
Curt
Curt
"Levying war against the US" ? An argument could be made that that's
exactly what Chuck's doing..
Curt
mrmcafee
I heard that he is an illegal alien. Maybe we ought to make him prove he
is legal?
>
> Curt
SMITH29
Howard Johnson
Sweet catch 29!
http://www.history.com/encyclopedia.do?articleId=224431
The first Americans convicted and executed for treason in peacetime were
the engineer Julius Rosenberg (1918–53) and his wife Ethel Rosenberg
(1915–53). The Rosenbergs, both members of the Communist party, were
found guilty in 1951 of transmitting atomic military secrets to a Soviet
spy, in a controversial trial. After several appeals to the U.S. Supreme
Court and a refusal of clemency by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, the
Rosenbergs were executed at Sing Sing Prison in Ossining, N.Y...
MEG
Slamma is not the US, he is a forginer.
Sancho Panza
On Mar 24, 8:24 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 24, 5:02 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
>
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>
> > > Curt wrote:
>
> > >> On Mar 23, 2:24 pm, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And,
> > >>>when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history
> > >>>need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
> > >>>authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which
> > >>>states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
> > >>>these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
>
> > >> Treason can get a guy executed.
>
> > > Probably not. SFAIK, the only American executed for treason was John
> > > Brown - and that was for treason against the state of Virginia and not
> > > the
> > > United States.
>
> > What's the matter, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg weren't friends of yours?-
>
> Were they executed for treason? Or for spying?
> =======
> Gee, you'd think that would be a relatively easy fact to look up. But,
> then
> again, maybe not.-
So what do they have to do with Mr. Norris's potentially treasonous
speech?
Norris didn't sell atom bomb plans to the Russians.
=======
No wonder why some people have difficulty using search engines and other
research techniques. They can't even read what is three paragraphs above
their post.
Sancho Panza
"Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
Someone else is not doing the "keeping up." This is from a premier source in
the world of the law:
"The Cold War saw the charge of treason used to build political careers and
silence dissent. Congressman Richard M. Nixon first came to prominence in
1948 investigating a State Department employee, Alger Hiss, for his alleged
activities as a Communist Party contact in the 1930s. In 1952, Senator
Joseph McCarthy, alleging “twenty years of treason,” launched his campaign
to eliminate alleged traitors in the federal government. McCarthyism made
dissent tantamount to treason. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, who were
convicted and executed in 1953 for passing secrets to the Soviets, were
condemned by many for being traitors.
Jonathan Pollard, a Defense Department analyst convicted in 1985 of passing
vital secrets to Israel, remains incarcerated in spite of continued pressure
from the Israeli government for his release. The quantity and importance of
the information Pollard leaked constitutes one of the most significant
security breaches in U.S. history.
In recent years, treason has tended to be committed for monetary gain rather
than ideological commitment. Typical of this trend are Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA) officials Aldrich Ames and Harold James Nicholson. Ames, before
being discovered in 1994, passed extensive information on U.S. intelligence
operatives abroad to Soviet and Russian agents. Nicholson, who confessed in
March 1997 to passing secrets to the Russians, is the highest ranking CIA
employee to be caught spying"--West's Encyclopedia of American Law. .
Notroll2007
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> "Curt" <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 24, 8:24 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:39d260ba-d887-44e6...@b9g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 24, 5:02 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> > "Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:gq9s49$f8u$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>>
>> > > Curt wrote:
>>
>> > >> On Mar 23, 2:24 pm, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >>>How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And,
>> > >>>when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will
>> > >>>history
>> > >>>need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
>> > >>>authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which
>> > >>>states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
>> > >>>these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
>>
>> > >> Treason can get a guy executed.
>>
>> > > Probably not. SFAIK, the only American executed for treason was John
>> > > Brown - and that was for treason against the state of Virginia and
>> > > not
>> > > the
>> > > United States.
>>
>> > What's the matter, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg weren't friends of
>> > yours?-
>>
>> Were they executed for treason? Or for spying?
>> =======
>> Gee, you'd think that would be a relatively easy fact to look up. But,
>> then
>> again, maybe not.-
>
> So what do they have to do with Mr. Norris's potentially treasonous
> speech?
>
> Norris didn't sell atom bomb plans to the Russians.
> =======
> No wonder why some people have difficulty using search engines and other
> research techniques. They can't even read what is three paragraphs above
> their post.
>
Howard Johnson
Bill Shatzer
> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>> "Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:gq9s49$f8u$1...@news.motzarella.org...
-snip-
>>>> Probably not. SFAIK, the only American executed for treason was John
>>>> Brown - and that was for treason against the state of Virginia and
>>>> not the United States.
>>> What's the matter, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg weren't friends of yours?
>> The Rosenbergs were convicted of, and executed for, espionage, not
>> treason.
>> Do try and keep up.
> Uh,
> http://tinyurl.com/cgmkjt
And which of the 270,000 hits do you think supports your contention?
A Google search is -not- a reference
In fact, the Rosenbergs were tried and convicted of espionage - or, more
specifically, of conspiracy to "violate the Espionage Act of 1917 by
communicating to a foreign government, in wartime, secret atomic and
other military information."
It rather pays to go to the original sources and not just be Googling
things.
For instance, the US Supreme Court opinion in the case,
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/rosenb/ROS_CT4.HTM
"On August 17, 1950, the defendants were indicted for conspiring to
commit espionage in wartime, in violation of the Espionage Act of 1917,
50 U. S. C. @@ 32 (a), 34. After a lengthy jury trial they were found
guilty, and on April 5, 1951, they were sentenced to death."
Peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
> "Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
> news:gqb9j8$c74$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>
>>Sancho Panza wrote:
>>>"Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
>>>news:gq9s49$f8u$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>>>>Curt wrote:
-snip-
>>>>>Treason can get a guy executed.
>>>>Probably not. SFAIK, the only American executed for treason was John
>>>>Brown - and that was for treason against the state of Virginia and not
>>>>the United States.
>>>What's the matter, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg weren't friends of yours?
>>The Rosenbergs were convicted of, and executed for, espionage, not
>>treason.
>>Do try and keep up.
> Someone else is not doing the "keeping up." This is from a premier source in
> the world of the law:
> "The Cold War saw the charge of treason used to build political careers and
> silence dissent. Congressman Richard M. Nixon first came to prominence in
> 1948 investigating a State Department employee, Alger Hiss, for his alleged
> activities as a Communist Party contact in the 1930s. In 1952, Senator
> Joseph McCarthy, alleging “twenty years of treason,” launched his campaign
> to eliminate alleged traitors in the federal government. McCarthyism made
> dissent tantamount to treason. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, who were
> convicted and executed in 1953 for passing secrets to the Soviets, were
> condemned by many for being traitors.
They can be "condemned by many" for whatever the hell the many wish to
condemn them for but they were tried, convicted, and executed for
-espionage-.
As your source notes.
Do try and keep up.
-snip-
Peace and justice,
John "C"
"Notroll2007" <notro...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:OYfyl.50809$eT1....@newsfe20.iad...
Are you related to Pedo Deco ??
--
HJ
Howard Johnson
> SMITH29 wrote:
>
>> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>
>>>> "Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:gq9s49$f8u$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>
> -snip-
>
>>>>> Probably not. SFAIK, the only American executed for treason was
>>>>> John Brown - and that was for treason against the state of Virginia
>>>>> and not the United States.
>
>>>> What's the matter, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg weren't friends of yours?
>
>>> The Rosenbergs were convicted of, and executed for, espionage, not
>>> treason.
>
>>> Do try and keep up.
>
>> Uh,
>> http://tinyurl.com/cgmkjt
>
> And which of the 270,000 hits do you think supports your contention?
>
You stupid fuck:
Howard Johnson
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
chatnoir
> chatnoir wrote:
> >http://tinyurl.com/da89dt
>
> > Chuck Norris claims thousands of right wing cell groups exist and
> > will
> > rebel against U.S. government
> > March 9, 7:33 AM · 748 comments
>
> Chuck Norris? Isn't he some sort of third-tier actor?
Vat vas Ronnie Reaggy????
>
> We might as well listen to Mr. T.
>
> -snip-
>
> > (Note: Speaking of showdowns, Chuck is also inviting anyone near the
> > Houston area this weekend to see a good example of the raw Texas
> > fighting spirit by joining him and others for the national martial
> > arts event, "Showdown in H-Town.")“
>
> Heh! Now it comes out. Whatchawanna bet Chuckie has a financial
> interest in the "Showdown in H-Town".
>
> I guess ya' do what ya' gotta do to drum up an audience and make a buck.
>
> Peace and justice,
Sancho Panza
"Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
"McCarthyism made dissent tantamount to treason," just as leftists like
Olbermann and Huffington and Moveon.org did for eight years with nary a peep
from you .
> Do try and keep up.
A odd injunction from someone who says Ethel Rosenberg was innocent 60 years
after the verdict against her was delivered.
Sancho Panza
On Mar 24, 8:21 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> On Mar 23, 10:45 pm, Howard Johnson <h...@jo.exit> wrote:
>
> > Bill Shatzer wrote:
> > > He's the president, he's legal, and folks who don't follow orders will
> > > end up in front of a court martial.
>
> > Oh look at fascist Shitzie play Goerring!
>
> I didn't get fascism out of that. If the president orders a military
> guy to do something, and it's a legal order, and the guy refuses,
> that's what you do with a military guy that refuses to follow orders.
> You court martial them.
>
>
> Heil! Heil! Another one who never heard of Nuremburg.
Dumb fuck. If you court martial them and they were justified in
disobeying their orders, they're acquitted.
======
Just like the Gitmo courts, eh?
Sancho Panza
<g...@amusenet.com> wrote in message
news:3tuhs4hnftn3gkfhn...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:21:55 -0400, "Sancho Panza"
> <otter...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Curt" <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>On Mar 23, 10:45 pm, Howard Johnson <h...@jo.exit> wrote:
>>> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>> > He's the president, he's legal, and folks who don't follow orders will
>>> > end up in front of a court martial.
>>>
>>> Oh look at fascist Shitzie play Goerring!
>>
>>I didn't get fascism out of that. If the president orders a military
>>guy to do something, and it's a legal order, and the guy refuses,
>>that's what you do with a military guy that refuses to follow orders.
>>You court martial them.
>>
>>====
>>
>>Heil! Heil! Another one who never heard of Nuremburg.
>
> and read it through.
You may have never participated in courts martial, but you would probably be
surprirsed about a soldier's not following an unlawful order.
mrmcafee
Sancho, give Thunderbird a try as a news reader. Much easier to tell who
said what if you use T-Bird.
Ethel Rosenberg's guilt came into question when the Soviet Union fell
and access to their records came to light. According to Soviet sources,
Ethel, while she knew that Julius was trying to pass atomic secrets to
the USSR, never did so herself.
mrmcafee
Rumor has it so are you.
Curt
Go to bed, Meg. Sleep it off.
Jesus.
Curt
Curt
> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:94fbb08b-dd72-4c94...@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 24, 8:24 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:39d260ba-d887-44e6...@b9g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 24, 5:02 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
>
> > >news:gq9s49$f8u$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>
> > > > Curt wrote:
>
> > > >> On Mar 23, 2:24 pm, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And,
> > > >>>when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history
> > > >>>need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
> > > >>>authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which
> > > >>>states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
> > > >>>these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
>
> > > >> Treason can get a guy executed.
>
> > > > Probably not. SFAIK, the only American executed for treason was John
> > > > Brown - and that was for treason against the state of Virginia and not
> > > > the
> > > > United States.
>
> > > What's the matter, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg weren't friends of yours?-
>
> > Were they executed for treason? Or for spying?
> > =======
> > Gee, you'd think that would be a relatively easy fact to look up. But,
> > then
> > again, maybe not.-
>
> So what do they have to do with Mr. Norris's potentially treasonous
> speech?
>
> Norris didn't sell atom bomb plans to the Russians.
> =======
> No wonder why some people have difficulty using search engines and other
> research techniques. They can't even read what is three paragraphs above
The Rosenbergs were tried under the Espionage Act. They were not found
guilty of treason.
I know you're having a hard time with this, Sancho, but that's because
you're the kind of guy if you had another brain, it'd be lonely.
Curt
Curt
> Bill Shatzer wrote:
> > SMITH29 wrote:
>
> >> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
> >>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>
> >>>> "Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
> >>>>news:gq9s49$f8u$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>
> > -snip-
>
> >>>>> Probably not. SFAIK, the only American executed for treason was
> >>>>> John Brown - and that was for treason against the state of Virginia
> >>>>> and not the United States.
>
> >>>> What's the matter, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg weren't friends of yours?
>
> >>> The Rosenbergs were convicted of, and executed for, espionage, not
> >>> treason.
>
> >>> Do try and keep up.
>
> >> Uh,
> >>http://tinyurl.com/cgmkjt
>
> > And which of the 270,000 hits do you think supports your contention?
>
> You stupid fuck:
>
> http://www.history.com/encyclopedia.do?articleId=224431
>
> The first Americans convicted and executed for treason in peacetime were
> the engineer Julius Rosenberg (1918–53) and his wife Ethel Rosenberg
Sounds like history.com got it wrong. Happens.
Curt
Curt
> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ae6737b7-d6e7-40df...@r31g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 24, 8:21 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:7fbd1ec2-7ee8-467b...@r31g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 23, 10:45 pm, Howard Johnson <h...@jo.exit> wrote:
>
> > > Bill Shatzer wrote:
> > > > He's the president, he's legal, and folks who don't follow orders will
> > > > end up in front of a court martial.
>
> > > Oh look at fascist Shitzie play Goerring!
>
> > I didn't get fascism out of that. If the president orders a military
> > guy to do something, and it's a legal order, and the guy refuses,
> > that's what you do with a military guy that refuses to follow orders.
> > You court martial them.
>
> > ====
>
> > Heil! Heil! Another one who never heard of Nuremburg.
>
> Dumb fuck. If you court martial them and they were justified in
> disobeying their orders, they're acquitted.
> ======
No. Those aren't courts martial.
Just when I think you can't get any stupider, you go ahead and get
stupider. You amaze me sometimes.
Curt
g...@amusenet.com
<otter...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
>
><g...@amusenet.com> wrote in message
>news:3tuhs4hnftn3gkfhn...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:21:55 -0400, "Sancho Panza"
>> <otter...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Heil! Heil! Another one who never heard of Nuremburg.
>>
>> When you get a chance, look up the Uniform Code of Military Justice
>> and read it through.
>
>You may have never participated in courts martial,
I have indeed participated. I brought one of the guys in my unit up
on charges. I had a standing order -- they could Not, repeat Not be
drinking or getting stoned when there was a Red Alert condition on the
case.
Sure enough -- this clown got stoned, and during a rocket/mortar
attack, ended up watching the rounds land on the airfield. I had to
leave the bunker and go get him.
Next morning, I hauled him before the CPT and made the charge, he was
immediately placed in the custody of the MPs, and within the week was
tried and sentenced to 90 days in LBJ (Long Binh Jail). Once he had
served his sentence, he was transferred to another unit up-country.
>... but you would probably be
>surprirsed about a soldier's not following an unlawful order.
Not in the least. But the soldier in question had best Know
ferdamshur that the order was unlawful.
g...@amusenet.com
What Gitmo courts?
reBoot
reBoot
Howard Johnson
You are correct!
Bill Shatzer
> "Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
> news:gqcbqt$bgp$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>>Sancho Panza wrote:
>>>"Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
>>>news:gqb9j8$c74$1...@news.motzarella.org...
-snip-
>>>>Do try and keep up.
>>>Someone else is not doing the "keeping up." This is from a premier source
>>>in the world of the law:
>>>"The Cold War saw the charge of treason used to build political careers
>>>and silence dissent. Congressman Richard M. Nixon first came to
>>>prominence in 1948 investigating a State Department employee, Alger Hiss,
>>>for his alleged activities as a Communist Party contact in the 1930s. In
>>>1952, Senator Joseph McCarthy, alleging “twenty years of treason,”
>>>launched his campaign to eliminate alleged traitors in the federal
>>>government. McCarthyism made dissent tantamount to treason. Julius and
>>>Ethel Rosenberg, who were convicted and executed in 1953 for passing
>>>secrets to the Soviets, were condemned by many for being traitors.
>>They can be "condemned by many" for whatever the hell the many wish to
>>condemn them for but they were tried, convicted, and executed
>>for -espionage-.
>>As your source notes.
> "McCarthyism made dissent tantamount to treason," just as leftists like
> Olbermann and Huffington and Moveon.org did for eight years with nary a peep
> from you .
And here you wander completely off topic and into rightwad La-La Land.
The topic was the Rosenbergs in particular and executions for trason in
general - and what Huffington, et al might have to do with that is
connection only a wingnut could make.
Though I might note those folks were the ones doing the dissenting. The
then gubmint party line was that -they- were the traitors - or at least
undermining american security and giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
>>Do try and keep up.
> A odd injunction from someone who says Ethel Rosenberg was innocent 60 years
> after the verdict against her was delivered.
I don't believe I've ever expressed an opinion on Ethel's guilt or
innocence.
Why would you think I had?
Peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
> Just like the Gitmo courts, eh?
The Guantanamo "courts" ain't courts martial.
Peace and justice,
Sancho Panza
"mrmcafee" <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in message
news:V7ryl.112027$2O4....@newsfe03.iad...
You are correct. Sorry, didn't mean to insult you too much.
>
> Ethel Rosenberg's guilt came into question when the Soviet Union fell and
> access to their records came to light. According to Soviet sources, Ethel,
> while she knew that Julius was trying to pass atomic secrets to the USSR,
> never did so herself.
Not so correct. More open to interpretation and further discussion.
SMITH29
> SMITH29 wrote:
>
>> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>
>>>> "Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:gq9s49$f8u$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>
> -snip-
>
>>>>> Probably not. SFAIK, the only American executed for treason was
>>>>> John Brown - and that was for treason against the state of Virginia
>>>>> and not the United States.
>
>>>> What's the matter, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg weren't friends of yours?
>
>>> The Rosenbergs were convicted of, and executed for, espionage, not
>>> treason.
>
>>> Do try and keep up.
>
>> Uh,
>> http://tinyurl.com/cgmkjt
>
> And which of the 270,000 hits do you think supports your contention?
I didn't contend a damn thing.
>
> A Google search is -not- a reference
>
> In fact, the Rosenbergs were tried and convicted of espionage - or, more
> specifically, of conspiracy to "violate the Espionage Act of 1917 by
> communicating to a foreign government, in wartime, secret atomic and
> other military information."
>
> It rather pays to go to the original sources and not just be Googling
> things.
The google was for you to reference but since you didn't you missed
something. I was being kind to you.
Then you correct my research method :-)
>
> For instance, the US Supreme Court opinion in the case,
>
> http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/rosenb/ROS_CT4.HTM
>
> "On August 17, 1950, the defendants were indicted for conspiring to
> commit espionage in wartime, in violation of the Espionage Act of 1917,
> 50 U. S. C. @@ 32 (a), 34. After a lengthy jury trial they were found
> guilty, and on April 5, 1951, they were sentenced to death."
>
> Peace and justice,
>
You always like to think you are so God damn smart yet you have had your
horse shot out from under you more than anyone else in here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Dwight_Stevens
http://housedivided.dickinson.edu/main/index.php?q=node/6641
THE29
LDosser
Quite right. Dondi followed all sorts of unlawful orders.
Bill Shatzer
> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>> SMITH29 wrote:
>>> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>>>> "Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
>>>>> news:gq9s49$f8u$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>> -snip-
>>>>>> Probably not. SFAIK, the only American executed for treason was
>>>>>> John Brown - and that was for treason against the state of
>>>>>> Virginia and not the United States.
>>>>> What's the matter, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg weren't friends of
>>>>> yours?
>>>> The Rosenbergs were convicted of, and executed for, espionage, not
>>>> treason.
>>>> Do try and keep up.
>>> Uh,
>>> http://tinyurl.com/cgmkjt
>> And which of the 270,000 hits do you think supports your contention?
> I didn't contend a damn thing.
Then why post it at all? Just to prove you can push buttons on a random
Google search?
Shit child, we could train a chimpanzee to do that.
>> A Google search is -not- a reference
>> In fact, the Rosenbergs were tried and convicted of espionage - or,
>> more specifically, of conspiracy to "violate the Espionage Act of 1917
>> by communicating to a foreign government, in wartime, secret atomic
>> and other military information."
>> It rather pays to go to the original sources and not just be Googling
>> things.
> The google was for you to reference but since you didn't you missed
> something.
I "referenced" it - which said there were 270,000 hits. There is NO WAY
I (or anyone else) is going to dig through 270,000 (or even 270) hits to
find the one you think significant.
If you think you're Google search turned up something meaningful, post
the URL of THAT site, not a list of 270,000 URLs.
> I was being kind to you.
> Then you correct my research method :-)
Well, it hardly deserves being characterized as a "method".
Or "research" for that matter.
>> For instance, the US Supreme Court opinion in the case,
>> http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/rosenb/ROS_CT4.HTM
>> "On August 17, 1950, the defendants were indicted for conspiring to
>> commit espionage in wartime, in violation of the Espionage Act of
>> 1917, 50 U. S. C. @@ 32 (a), 34. After a lengthy jury trial they were
>> found guilty, and on April 5, 1951, they were sentenced to death."
> You always like to think you are so God damn smart
I don't have to be god damn smart to be smarter than you.
> yet you have had your
> horse shot out from under you more than anyone else in here.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Dwight_Stevens
Which has exactly what to do with the Rosenbergs?
> http://housedivided.dickinson.edu/main/index.php?q=node/6641
Ditto - still, I mentioned John Brown in my first post and noted that he
was convicted of treason against the state of virginia and not the
United States. I'd assume Stevens was the same.
And I didn't claim that Brown was the only person executed for treason,
only that he was the only one so far as I knew. OK, stevens was another
one whom I either didn't know about or had forgotten. No big deal. No
one knows everything and my statement was properly qualified.
Peace and justice,
God's Debris
<obadia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mar 23, 2:24 pm, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And,
>> when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history
>> need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
>> authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which
>> states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
>> these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
>> and to institute new Government뀛
>
>
>Treason can get a guy executed.
>
>Curt
then why is bush still kicking?
Scratch
news:7i1ms4p6uu51efm1s...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:28:18 -0700 (PDT), Curt
> <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mar 23, 2:24 pm, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And,
>>> when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history
>>> need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
>>> authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which
>>> states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
>>> these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
>>> and to institute new Government…”
>>
>>
>>Treason can get a guy executed.
>>
>>Curt
>
> then why is bush still kicking?
>
For What? Giving aid and comfort to the leftit anti-American pricks of
this country?
--
Martin Luther King 1963 - I have a dream that my four little children
will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color
of their skin but by the content of their character.
Thomas Jefferson in 1776 - 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
all men are created equal.'
Obama in 2008 - Just words, just speeches!"
Warren
Sancho Panza
<g...@amusenet.com> wrote in message
news:eskks41u2f3l2cgtd...@4ax.com...
The ones you call military tribunals.
mrmcafee
That would require that I hold you in at least some amount of respect.
>
>> Ethel Rosenberg's guilt came into question when the Soviet Union fell and
>> access to their records came to light. According to Soviet sources, Ethel,
>> while she knew that Julius was trying to pass atomic secrets to the USSR,
>> never did so herself.
>
> Not so correct. More open to interpretation and further discussion.
You see why people disrespect you? I didn't say Ethel was innocent. I
said that her guilt was called into question since information from the
Soviet Union had been revealed.
>
>
Curt
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:28:18 -0700 (PDT), Curt
>
> >On Mar 23, 2:24 pm, chatnoir <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >> How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And,
> >> when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history
> >> need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
> >> authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which
> >> states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
> >> these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
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> >Treason can get a guy executed.
>
> >Curt
>
> then why is bush still kicking?
He didn't commit treason, for one..
Curt
Curt
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> > On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:38:25 -0400, "Sancho Panza"
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> >>"Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:ae6737b7-d6e7-40df...@r31g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> >>On Mar 24, 8:21 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> Heil! Heil! Another one who never heard of Nuremburg.
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> >>Dumb fuck. If you court martial them and they were justified in
> >>disobeying their orders, they're acquitted.
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> >>Just like the Gitmo courts, eh?
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> > What Gitmo courts?
>
Imbecile.
Curt
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>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:38:25 -0400, "Sancho Panza"
>> <otter...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>>"Curt" <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:ae6737b7-d6e7-40df...@r31g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>>On Mar 24, 8:21 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Heil! Heil! Another one who never heard of Nuremburg.
>>>
>>>Dumb fuck. If you court martial them and they were justified in
>>>disobeying their orders, they're acquitted.
>>>======
>>>Just like the Gitmo courts, eh?
>>
>> What Gitmo courts?
>
>The ones you call military tribunals.
Whatever else those might be, they are not Courts as the term is
correctly used.
At best they are rump hearings, devoid of commonly used rules of
procedure and evidence.
"Bring that Guilty SOB in here, and we'll hear his case!"
Phxbrd
Curt
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Many people say that is the case with courts-martial.
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>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:52:44 -0400, "Sancho Panza"
>> <otter...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>><g...@amusenet.com> wrote in message
>>>> What Gitmo courts?
>>>
>>>The ones you call military tribunals.
>>
>> Whatever else those might be, they are not Courts as the term is
>> correctly used.
>>
>> At best they are rump hearings, devoid of commonly used rules of
>> procedure and evidence.
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>Many people say that is the case with courts-martial.
Nope -- not the case. In an actual court martial, there are
individuals representing each side, the opportunity to hire counsel,
rules of Evidence, rules of Procedure - just a whole raft of things
the Tribunals didn't have.
The armed services do have a non-judicial punishment (aka Article 15)
that provides for a lower level of disciplinary action that works to
keep individuals away from a court-martial proceedings. But it is
their right to refuse such a thing and have a CM if that's what they
wish.
As for the "many people" who might say such a thing, I suspect they'd
be somewhat over-represented by those who have been tried and found
guilty of the charges specified against them.
There are few who don't claim they were innocent, and the court was
biased against them.
Sancho Panza
Imbecile.
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Your most succinct response of the day. Too bad you don't have anything to
say relative to the discussion at hand. But that is always a problem with
such a dearth of research.