Re: The Ree, the Roo, the Raa!; or Bene Bene Pendentes!
Chidi Anthony Opara
bosses---------“
----Amatoritsero.
They were, and still are, Mafia bosses surround by all the
paraphernalia of Mafiadom. In the ages past, the instruments and
methods of enforcement were crude. Presently, they are refined.
CAO.
On Jun 6, 11:26 pm, Amatoritsero Ede <esula...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ..."This was the dark ages in clerical as well as in any other term: popes
> fought for office like the nastiest of mafia bosses; devilish intrigue and
> executions were not exempt"...http://www.mtls.ca/issue15/editorial/
>
> Amatoritsero
Chidi Anthony Opara
CAO.
Chidi Anthony Opara
I do not want to be personal, so let us leave Arinze out of this. I
know enough of the history of the Papacy, including its major sources
of initial investments capital. I also suspect that you know. If Mazi
Francis Nwaneri Opara (my father) resurrects today and he is elected a
Pope (with God all things are possible), I will regard him as a Mafia
overlord. Mazi, I do not know about mature and amateur "poe it", I do
know that I agree with the opinion expressed in the post I was
responding to. Furthermore, whatever you think that is beneath me is
your subjective opinion, after all, some poets still maintain that
posting my poems on Internet forums and on social networks is beneath
me. Have that subjective opinion changed anything? Ndewo Mazi.
CAO.
On Jun 7, 1:04 pm, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> 2!
>
> Chidi! Chidi !Chidi!
>
> Now I chide you!
>
> “Tell fren true noh pwell fren “
>
> Surely, this is below you!
>
> A refined man like you wanna echo an amateur
>
> or mature poe-it talking through his orifice that
>
> “Popes fought for office
> like the nastiest of mafia
>
> Don't you think or know that with these very impious and un-poetic words
> that you utter through your keyboard you are thereby dis-respecting the
> religious chief of most of the world's Igbos?
> C'mon Brother I don't have to remind you that just a while ago nearly the
> whole of the former
>
> Biafra was clapping hands as prayerful cheerleaders and people of hope
>
> when advocating that Cardinal Francis Arinze should be elected Pope
>
> Now, if it had been the Conclave’s will that he be elected Bishop of Rome,
> is this what you would be saying about him too – that he had been elected
> to be head of the holy Mafia etc. etc. - and yet you want to go to heaven,
> without a pardon?
Chidi Anthony Opara
Catholics in particular?”
-----Mazi Cornelius.
Mazi,
Igbo Catholics should go back to the worship ways of their
forefathers.
CAO.
On Jun 8, 2:04 pm, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Chidi,
>
> OK, s-ht happens, has happened. I watched this a few days ago :*God wants
> you* to *let go* of *your past so you can have* a *future*<http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja...>
>
> So far Pope Francis
> <http://www.google.co.uk/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Pope+Francis+...>has
> impressed me at least in his personal relationship with poverty and with
> the Jewish people<http://www.google.co.uk/#gs_rn=16&gs_ri=psy-ab&suggest=p&cp=25&gs_id=...>
> .
>
> I still can't understand why the history of the Catholic Church – the
> Inquisition<https://www.google.se/search?q=The+Inquisition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t...>followed a few hundred years later by what Roman Catholic adherents declare
> was Pope Pius vs. the Nazis<https://www.google.se/search?q=Pope+Pius+vs.+the+Nazis+&ie=utf-8&oe=u...>etc. should still be a source of your current venom. I can understand that
> some of your rage is being fuelled by the priestly disciples of Jesus
> breaking their vows of brahmacharya by wanton acts of the on-going
> paedophilia which Church discipline has not been able to curb – perhaps
> because a lifelong vow of chastity is not consistent with the human nature
> of most males – as the Gospel itself asserts in the words attributed to
> Jesus, “*The spirit* is willing *but* the flesh is *weak* .“ In the more
> down to earth Islam, understandably, monkery<http://www.google.co.uk/#q=celibacy+is+forbidden+in+islam&spell=1&sa=...>is forbidden, even if some people are attracted to Islam lured by the idea
> that paradise is some kind of whorehouse, where man – even eunuchs - can
> fulfil their earthly passions on an even grander scale. So it comes as no
> surprise that their role model number one himself had thirteen wives (the
> other sheikhs and alhajjis legally limited to four wives - plus “those whom
> their right hands possess”
> <http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy-ab&q=Islam+:+those+whom+their+ri...>(slaves
> and concubines).but four or thirteen wives is but a drop in the bucket –
> compared to King Solomon the Champion who according to popular legend had
> over 800 (eight hundred) wives – after all Eve was created – as the
> Almighty Himself said , as a help, so that man would not be alone.
>
> Your main thrust is about what you call “Mafia” - I suppose you are
> talking about the Church's enormous wealth – and it's probably because of
> that wealth that celibacy has to be maintained – or the children would have
> to “inherit”. Otherwise why do you talk about the Holy See
> <https://www.google.se/search?q=The+Holy+See&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rl...>in
> terms of criminal activity?
>
> I have discussed this your saying with one of my friends, Emmanuel
> Ehirhieme of Edo State (Tribe : Esan: religion :Christian).
>
> “While we were being taught in the Roman Catholic Church children's Sunday
> schools in the 1970s that it would be like the head of a camel passing
> through the eye of a needle for a wealthy person to enter heaven, the same
> Roman Catholic Church through the Vatican bank was busy acquiring wealth.”
> ( Chidi Anthony Opara)
>
> Emmanuel's bottom line: that prosperity is preached – it's not a sin to be
> prosperous. He also said that the poor man or poor nation has no voice.
> From an anarchist’s point of view, “all property is theft” - but can we
> accuse the Catholic Church of stealing – bearing in mind/heart the
> Almighty’s commandment Thou shalt not steal<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_steal>?
>
> One last question to you, Chidi : What are Catholics to do – Igbo
> Catholics in particular?
EUGENE NWOSU
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here's mine:
"The past can always be changed, but the future remains immutable"
ken
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"The past and the future are subject to wilful transgression."
Adeshina Afolayan
here's mine:
"The past can always be changed, but the future remains immutable"
ken
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Anunoby, Ogugua
Why the alteration? What is wrong with the Mary Pickard quotation? Am I missing something? If change and evolution are facts and realities of life that they are believed by many or presented by experts to be, the future is always under construction and must therefore be subject to human and other agencies.
oa
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can we alter the quotes, eugene?
here's mine:
"The past can always be changed, but the future remains immutable"
ken
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Chidi Anthony Opara
possible",
the past and the future should fuse into a continuum in which the
future
should recede into the past, as when he wishes that "Igbo Catholics
should
go back to the worship ways of their forefathers". That would be
future
progress...."
-------Mazi Cornelius
Mazi,
That would be cultural re-awakening.
CAO.
On Jun 10, 3:08 pm, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> The past can be easily changed from fact to fiction as has been done byrevisionists<http://www.google.co.uk/#gs_rn=16&gs_ri=psy-ab&suggest=p&cp=11&gs_id=...>
> who say that the Holocaust never happened. The revisionists could come up
> with similar crap that the Atlantic Slave Trade never happened - especially
> now that Kunta Kinte is gone - just as the generation of Holocaust
> survivors will not last forever (thinking of Lord Anunoby Ogugua and
> "eternal salvation" which for certainty's sake would also be a nice thing
> to have - a reassuring taste of eternity, starting with something like a
> few thousand years of permanent youth in the here and now and not just in
> the future, eternal virgin houris waiting for the jihadists and
> suicide-bombers in the Islamic heaven.
>
> The past can also be changed by pathalogical liars for the purpose of
> self-aggrandisement...
>
> For Chidi Anthony Opara who says that "with God all things are possible",
> the past and the future should fuse into a continuum in which the future
> should recede into the past, as when he wishes that "Igbo Catholics should
> go back to the worship ways of their forefathers". That would be future
> progress....
>
> The past can also be changed, from poetry to prose.
>
> Present Tense<https://www.google.se/search?q=James+Carter+:+Present+Tense&client=fi...>( I gave this CD to Brother Harvey Cropper last year and was happy to see
> him rave about James Carter !)
>
> Past tense
>
> Future Tense<http://www.google.co.uk/#tbm=bks&sclient=psy-ab&q=Jonathan+Sacks+:+Fu...>
>
> Speaking about future possibilities be sometimes frightening , such as
> what you can read in A Vision of the Future<https://plus.google.com/114250946512808775436/posts/QmX1vq2P9uw>
>
> http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 10 June 2013 14:35:52 UTC+2, shina7...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Or yet:
>
> > "The past and the future are subject to wilful transgression."
>
> > Adeshina Afolayan
> > Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN
> > *From: * kenneth harrow <har...@msu.edu <javascript:>>
> > *Sender: * usaafric...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>
> > *Date: *Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:24:25 -0500
> > *To: *<usaafric...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>>
> > *ReplyTo: * usaafric...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>
> > *Subject: *Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Quote of the Day
> > can we alter the quotes, eugene?
> > here's mine:
> > "The past can always be changed, but the future remains immutable"
> > ken
>
> > On 6/10/13 12:34 AM, EUGENE NWOSU wrote:
>
> > Pickford (1893 – 1979)
>
> > *With compliments: *http://optimaledge.net/#/the-secret/4574222007
> >http://optimaledge.net/#/the-secret/4574222007
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kenneth harrow
as the acts of recording, archiving, narrating, change with every single individual who participates, and even every year. who can remember their youth now, their own youth, and say, that is how it was? so ask your siblings, or your parents, if they are alive, and in my family you'll get 5 different versions. and the next generation will memorialize the version they hear, and freeze it into eternal truths...
somewhere eshu is laughing at human arrogance into thinking they know the past, and can know the future, whereas he knows that the bridge between the two is as fragile as a god's member
ken
The past can be easily changed from fact to fiction as has been done by revisionists� who say that� the Holocaust� never happened. The revisionists could come up with similar crap that the Atlantic Slave Trade never happened - especially now that Kunta Kinte is gone - just as the generation of Holocaust survivors will not last forever (thinking of Lord Anunoby Ogugua and "eternal salvation" which for certainty's sake would also be a nice thing to have - a reassuring taste of eternity, starting with something like a few thousand years of� permanent youth in the here and now and not just in the future, eternal virgin houris waiting for the jihadists and suicide-bombers in the Islamic heaven.
The past can also be changed by pathalogical liars for the purpose of self-aggrandisement...
For Chidi Anthony Opara who says� that "with God all things are possible",� the past and the future should fuse into a continuum in which the future should recede into the past, as when he wishes that� "Igbo Catholics should go back to the worship ways of their forefathers". That would be future progress....
The past can also be changed, from poetry to prose.
Present Tense ( I gave this CD to Brother Harvey Cropper last year and was happy to� see him rave about James Carter !)
Past tense
Speaking about� future possibilities be sometimes frightening , such as what you can read in A Vision of the Future
http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/
On Monday, 10 June 2013 14:35:52 UTC+2, shina7...@yahoo.com wrote:
Or yet:
"The past and the future are subject to wilful transgression."
Adeshina AfolayanSent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN
From: kenneth harrow <har...@msu.edu>Sender: usaafric...@googlegroups.comDate: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:24:25 -0500ReplyTo: usaafric...@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Quote of the Daycan we alter the quotes, eugene?
here's mine:
"The past can always be changed, but the future remains immutable"
ken
On 6/10/13 12:34 AM, EUGENE NWOSU wrote:
�The past cannot be changed.� The future is yet in your power.� � Mary Pickford (1893 � 1979)
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but playing with received truths is always richer than simply repeating them (this is a famous quote from ... )
k
Chidi Anthony Opara
and mothers in Rome and all over the globe...”
-------Mazi Cornelius.
Mazi,
I agree with you. It will surely upset your holy missionary fathers
and mothers in Rome and all over the globe because, it will mean that
their cultural subjugation (which they called conversion) of the
“primitive tribe” of the lower Niger will end.
CAO.
On Jun 12, 1:09 am, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Igbo Catholics should go back to the worship ways of their forefathers" (
> The Rt. Honourable Igbo Renaissance poet, the Rev. Chidi Anthony Opara,
> pontificating)
>
> Chidi,
>
> This is one of the most interesting thoughts I have ever encountered in any
> serious African oriented forum!
> It's nothing short of ground-breaking !
> Cultural awakening indeed or shall we say
> cultural resurrection? Culture Revolution?
> The Igbos will be born again?
> This kind of thinking is going to upset the holy missionary fathers and
> mothers in Rome and all over the globe...
> As I told you before, my only regret is that I did not take up the offer of
> joining the Arochukwu Society.
> "Igbo Catholics should go back to the worship ways of their
>
> So, what do you think Yoruba Catholics should do?
> (How I wish that Rudolph Valentino Ojo was here!)
> You won't believe how many Cubans here in Stockholm have tried to convert
> me to Santeria....
>
> http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/
kenneth harrow
today are on the african continent, not in europe...
ken
On 6/12/13 7:09 AM, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
> �This kind of thinking is going to upset the holy missionary fathers
> and mothers in Rome and all over the globe...�
>
> Mazi,
> I agree with you. It will surely upset your holy missionary fathers
> and mothers in Rome and all over the globe because, it will mean that
> their cultural subjugation (which they called conversion) of the
>>> Catholics in particular?�
>>> Mazi,
>>> Igbo Catholics should go back to the worship ways of their
>>> forefathers.
>>> CAO.
>>> On Jun 8, 2:04 pm, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Chidi,
>>>> OK, s-ht happens, has happened. I watched this a few days ago :*God
>>> wants
>>>> you* to *let go* of *your past so you can have* a *future*<
>>> http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja...>
>>>> So far Pope Francis
>>>> <http://www.google.co.uk/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Pope+Francis+...>has
>>>> impressed me at least in his personal relationship with poverty and with
>>>> the Jewish people<
>>> http://www.google.co.uk/#gs_rn=16&gs_ri=psy-ab&suggest=p&cp=25&gs_id=...>
>>>> .
>>> https://www.google.se/search?q=The+Inquisition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t...>followed
>>> a few hundred years later by what Roman Catholic adherents declare
>>>> was Pope Pius vs. the Nazis<
>>> https://www.google.se/search?q=Pope+Pius+vs.+the+Nazis+&ie=utf-8&oe=u...>etc.
>>> should still be a source of your current venom. I can understand that
>>>> some of your rage is being fuelled by the priestly disciples of Jesus
>>>> breaking their vows of brahmacharya by wanton acts of the on-going
>>> nature
>>>> Jesus, �*The spirit* is willing *but* the flesh is *weak* .� In the more
>>> http://www.google.co.uk/#q=celibacy+is+forbidden+in+islam&spell=1&sa=...>is
>>> forbidden, even if some people are attracted to Islam lured by the idea
>>> no
>>>> surprise that their role model number one himself had thirteen wives
>>> (the
>>> whom
>>>> their right hands possess�
>>>> <http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy-ab&q=Islam+:+those+whom+their+ri...>(slaves
>>>> and concubines).but four or thirteen wives is but a drop in the bucket �
>>> had
>>>> talking about the Church's enormous wealth � and it's probably because
>>> of
>>>> that wealth that celibacy has to be maintained � or the children would
>>> have
>>>> to �inherit�. Otherwise why do you talk about the Holy See
>>>> terms of criminal activity?
>>>> I have discussed this your saying with one of my friends, Emmanuel
>>>> Ehirhieme of Edo State (Tribe : Esan: religion :Christian).
>>>> schools in the 1970s that it would be like the head of a camel passing
>>>> through the eye of a needle for a wealthy person to enter heaven, the
>>> same
>>>> Roman Catholic Church through the Vatican bank was busy acquiring
>>>> ( Chidi Anthony Opara)
>>>> Emmanuel's bottom line: that prosperity is preached � it's not a sin to
>>>> prosperous. He also said that the poor man or poor nation has no voice.
>>>> accuse the Catholic Church of stealing � bearing in mind/heart the
>>>> Almighty�s commandment Thou shalt not steal<
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_steal>?
>>>> One last question to you, Chidi : What are Catholics to do � Igbo
>>>> On Friday, 7 June 2013 16:54:40 UTC+2, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
>>>>> Mazi,
>>>>> I do not want to be personal, so let us leave Arinze out of this. I
>>>>> know enough of the history of the Papacy, including its major sources
>>>>> of initial investments capital. I also suspect that you know. If Mazi
>>>>> Francis Nwaneri Opara (my father) resurrects today and he is elected a
>>>>> Pope (with God all things are possible), I will regard him as a Mafia
>>>>> overlord. Mazi, I do not know about mature and amateur "poe it", I do
>>>>> know that I agree with the opinion expressed in the post I was
>>>>> responding to. Furthermore, whatever you think that is beneath me is
>>>>> your subjective opinion, after all, some poets still maintain that
>>>>> posting my poems on Internet forums and on social networks is beneath
>>>>> me. Have that subjective opinion changed anything? Ndewo Mazi.
>>>>> CAO.
>>>>> On Jun 7, 1:04 pm, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 2!
>>>>>> Chidi! Chidi !Chidi!
>>>>>> Now I chide you!
>>>>>> A refined man like you wanna echo an amateur
>>>>>> or mature poe-it talking through his orifice that
>>> words
>>>>>> that you utter through your keyboard you are thereby dis-respecting
>>> the
>>>>>> religious chief of most of the world's Igbos?
>>>>>> C'mon Brother I don't have to remind you that just a while ago
>>> nearly
>>>>> the
>>>>>> whole of the former
>>>>>> Biafra was clapping hands as prayerful cheerleaders and people of
>>> hope
>>>>>> when advocating that Cardinal Francis Arinze should be elected Pope
>>> of
>>>>> Rome,
>>>>>> is this what you would be saying about him too � that he had been
>>>>>> to be head of the holy Mafia etc. etc. - and yet you want to go to
>>>>> heaven,
>>>>>> without a pardon?
>>>>>> On Friday, 7 June 2013 12:23:04 UTC+2, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
>>>>>>> bosses---------�
>>>>>>> They were, and still are, Mafia bosses surround by all the
>>>>>>> paraphernalia of Mafiadom. In the ages past, the instruments and
>>>>>>> methods of enforcement were crude. Presently, they are refined.
>>>>>>> CAO.
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 11:26 pm, Amatoritsero Ede <esula...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ..."This was the dark ages in clerical as well as in any other
>>> term:
>>>>>>> popes
>>>>>>>> fought for office like the nastiest of mafia bosses; devilish
>>>>> intrigue
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> executions were not exempt"...
>>> http://www.mtls.ca/issue15/editorial/
>>>>>>>> Amatoritsero
Chidi Anthony Opara
and whenever I feel like. The possibility of physical harm do not
deter me(apology for my bad grammar).
CAO.
On Jun 12, 12:29 pm, Cornelius Hamelberg
<corneliushamelb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Chidi,
>
> You are my younger brother and I could not possibly ever wish you any harm
> and that's why I'm hastening to give you advice that should preempt/
> prevent any folly on your part.
>
> Folly?Yes folly and you need not fear any danger from the Santeria<https://www.google.se/search?q=Santeria&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=or...>Brethren - theirs is not a judgemental religion although I'm not sure that
> they too don't want to evangelise the whole world, since they tried to add
> me to their ranks. Their music is OK - so is the Igbo gospel music and even
> Patty O'Bassey - but it's the theology that I can't get a grip on.
>
> If you don't want any wahala and are still interested in cordial relations
> with other ethnic and religious groups within the Federation of Nigeria,
> you are well advised not to make any kind of statements such as, "The
> Muslims should go back to the worship ways of their forefathers.", because
> as far as Muslims are concerned although they say that Allah subhant'ala
> sent prophets to all corners of the world - their prophet has finalised and
> completed religion and Islam
> (according to them) is the only religion that the Almighty will accept - (
> of course they say that Moses - the prophet Moses was a Muslim). Bearing
> that in mind you don't say to the Hausa-man, "The Muslims should go back to
> the worship ways of their forefathers." suggesting that they should go back
> to the ways of jahailyya<https://www.google.se/search?q=Jahiliyya&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=o...>popularly known as "the pre-Islamic era of ignorance". Put your hand where
> crocodile dae feast, wahala, you go get am!
>
> Whereas the Igbo Catholics would laugh in your face, about your
> recommendations that they desert Jesus and their Roman Catholic faith, a
> Muslim would regard such encouragement as an insult and a Boko Haram type
> would probably want to make halal Kebab out of you. But if you said to a
> religious Jew that he or she should "go back to the worship ways of their
> forefathers" - he would be very happy with you. Very happy.
>
> It's not just the hooligan types in the Boko Haram who are opposed to
> Westernisation or Western education that would be displeased with a
> back-to- the-roots- cultural -awakening-and-stop- following -the
> foreign-religions that you recommend, you would also face tremendous
> opposition from those who are educated ( in the normal sense of the word)
> those who believe themselves to be the buk people and have written a
> certain quantity of books or have written a few books<http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/foisl/message/18004>on al-Islam like my good friend Mwalimu AKB Akbar, it is from his Nigerian
> counterparts and equivalents that you would greatest opposition.
>
> My conclusion: your recommendations would not apply to all nor would it
> swell into a national movement - such as Mao's " Cultural Revolution"
>
> You should of course be expecting my comments on your latest quote, that "
> Situations in religion here do not lend credence to supposed situations in
> the hereafter."
>
> Sincerely,
EUGENE NWOSU
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A CULTURE OF LOW EXPECTATION – Okey Ndibe
“The greater tragedy – absolutely inexcusable – is when those who have seen the world, who ought to know better, embrace the culture of low (even no) expectations.” – Prof. Okey Ndibe
One of the most tragic aspects of Nigeria’s aborted promise is that too many Nigerians have now imbibed a terrible culture of low expectations. They look daily at the series of crises bedeviling their country, and they manage, somehow, to see something admirable.
It is sad to encounter this attitude in Nigerians who have never traveled outside their country, and who are, therefore, blind to the dramatically higher levels of efficiency in most other countries, including some of Nigeria’s neighbors on the western hump of Africa. Lacking a reference point, these Nigerians may be forgiven for believing that the intolerable state of affairs in their country is a mirror of how things happen elsewhere in the world.
But it’s always a case of sheer exasperation when one comes across well-traveled Nigerians infected with the virus of low expectations. These world-wise Nigerians have no excuse. They have been to other efficiently-run countries; they have seen other societies where institutions work fluidly and high quality services are expected and delivered; often, they function within these well-choreographed societies, helping to sustain a culture of excellence.
So why do some of these “exposed” Nigerians nevertheless rush to rationalize, defend or excuse their country’s mediocrity and ghastly performance?
Visiting London last week, I was interviewed by Kayode Ogundamisi on his live political program on BEN Television, “Politricks with KO.” The interview touched on the subject of presidential performance. I asserted that President Goodluck Jonathan, like Olusegun Obasanjo before him, had failed to deliver result-oriented leadership. Soon after, two or three callers questioned my assessment. One, a resident of London, reeled off a few roads he alleged that the Jonathan administration was building. He, or another caller, reminded me that the president had set up new universities. They insisted that the president deserved praise for getting round to roads and the setting up of new universities. Another, also resident in London, sought to remind me and viewers that Mr. Obasanjo’s presidency was marked by impressive feats, among them the payment of a huge chunk of Nigeria’s external debt and the husbanding of mobile telephony.
The sense of fervor in the two callers’ voices was sad to behold. If they had never been to a society where things work, I would have understood their misplaced advocacy. I reminded them that no serious leader today would have the temerity to list the building of roads as one of his or her achievements. The mayor of London, I argued, would be run out of the city if he ever tried to campaign on his road repair record. British citizens and residents take good roads for granted, which is as it should be. On the matter of Mr. Jonathan’s new-fangled universities, it was enough to tell my interlocutor that the government had not lived up to its obligation to fund existing universities. What, then, was the sense in creating more?
Mr. Obasanjo’s payment of jumbo sums to Nigeria’s external creditors never struck me as an achievement – not when he made the payment and not in retrospect. A more visionary leader might have used all that cash to improve his country’s ghastly infrastructure. Why transfer nearly $20 billion to creditors when Nigerians have no healthcare, no electric power, no dependable network of roads, and no waste disposal system? Why hand over such princely sum when our public schools, from kindergartens to universities, are in heartrending shape? Why invest in the Paris and London Clubs when the failure to address Nigeria’s electric power woes remains a huge impediment to Nigerian businesses, hampers economic enterprise, and leaves hordes of Nigerian graduates unemployed? What was the sense in serving the interests of external creditors – many of them complicit in the mismanagement of the loans they gave – when Nigeria’s climate of insecurity gets worse by the day? In short, why hasten to pay the foreign Peter and Paul whilst neglecting the plight of the Nigerian Musa, Okoye and Adebayo?
One of the callers to BEN Television scolded me for the sin of holding a Nigerian president to the same expectations I would apply to President Barack Obama. Nigeria was not America, he stated. It was, on the face of it, a salient point; but it was also a deeply troubling point. Here’s why.
Nigeria is in such dire straits that it is in more desperate need than America (or Britain, Norway, Germany) for tested, committed leaders. In other words, Nigerians need a leader with vision, energy, passion, and drive far more urgently than do Americans. And there are Nigerians who have the intellectual acumen, vision and leadership skills to stand toe to toe with the best leaders anywhere in the world. For some reason, however, the Nigerian state is rigged by and for mediocrities.
Here’s another slice of the argument. Many Nigerians are quick to contend that it’s unfair to demand American-grade performance for Nigerian public officials. But the same Nigerians are hardly ever outraged at the outlandish payments and perks enjoyed by their officials. Consider this fact: Each member of Nigeria’s House of Representatives hauls away enough cash in a year to pay Mr. Obama’s salary several times over. In fact, many local government chairmen take home enough cash to make Mr. Obama – whose salary is $440,000 a year – look, by comparison, like a chump.
It baffles that some Nigerians are at peace with the lavish payments to Nigerian public office holders, from municipal officials to the president. Yet, these same Nigerians raise their hackles the moment a critic demands that our obscenely remunerated officials demonstrate a semblance of engagement. It boils down to that disease of low expectations.
Given how much money Nigerian officials are paid – to say nothing of the additional sums they steal – why is it out of place to hold them to the highest levels of expectation? If they’re in the highest paid league, what’s wrong with insisting that their performance be Messi-like?
Nigerians who have never had the privilege of traveling to other parts of the world – and who, therefore, have never seen the fruits of true leadership – deserve our patience when they mistake the substandard roads most Nigerian governments build as evidence of sagacious leadership. As one caller to BEN Television noted, many Nigerians are so dehumanized that they praise governors for paying salaries!
The greater tragedy – absolutely inexcusable – is when those who have seen the world, who ought to know better, embrace the culture of low (even no) expectations. In the end, as I tried to tell the viewers of “Politricks with KO,” Nigeria – on such indices as healthcare, education and social services – lags many countries with significantly less resources. Countries like Ghana, Uganda, Jamaica, South Africa, Botswana and the Philippines are way ahead of Nigeria where it counts. Part of the reason is this: Nigeria is cursed with “leaders” who intone that they’re “moving the nation forward.” But they neither know what “forward” means nor how to move in its direction.
Written By Okey Ndibe
okey...@gmail.com
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Mazi Chidi Anthony Opara,
We revisit this thread once more, again!
One God one universal religion! No?
Well then that’s where culture comes in and who is better at “contextualisation” than the Catholics?
You say that "Igbo Catholics should go back to the worship ways of their forefathers"
Perhaps they should revert to doing the Holy Communion with cassava bread and palm wine?
At least then you will not undergo something like The trial of Socrates – for teaching a foreign philosophy!
Mazi Chidi Anthony Opara: Who was it that said
“We poets in our youth begin in gladness;
But thereof come in the end despondency and madness.”?
Wordsworth was himself a pantheist as are many Swedes I know, although in all my acquaintance with W’s poetry as introduced by my English master at secondary school, Mr. Bankole Thompson – back in 1965 - nowhere do I find him venerating man-made art as objects of worship or deification – as in Hindu and Sufi pantheism, he saw in created nature a spirit that pervades all things: Tintern Abbey (lines 85 – 134):
“Not for this
Faint I, nor mourn nor murmur, other gifts Have followed; for such loss, I would believe, Abundant recompence. For I have learned To look on nature, not as in the hourOf thoughtless youth; but hearing oftentimes 90
The still, sad music of humanity, Nor harsh nor grating, though of ample power To chasten and subdue. And I have felt A presence that disturbs me with the joy Of elevated thoughts; a sense sublime Of something far more deeply interfused, Whose dwelling is the light of setting suns, And the round ocean and the living air, And the blue sky, and in the mind of man;A motion and a spirit, that impels 100
All thinking things, all objects of all thought, And rolls through all things. Therefore am I still A lover of the meadows and the woods, And mountains; and of all that we behold From this green earth; of all the mighty worldOf eye, and ear,--both what they half create,
And what perceive; well pleased to recognise In nature and the language of the sense, The anchor of my purest thoughts, the nurse,The guide, the guardian of my heart, and soul 110
Of all my moral being. Nor perchance, If I were not thus taught, should I the more Suffer my genial spirits to decay: For thou art with me here upon the banks Of this fair river; thou my dearest Friend, My dear, dear Friend; and in thy voice I catch The language of my former heart, and read My former pleasures in the shooting lights Of thy wild eyes. Oh! yet a little whileMay I behold in thee what I was once, 120
My dear, dear Sister! and this prayer I make, Knowing that Nature never did betray The heart that loved her; 'tis her privilege, Through all the years of this our life, to lead From joy to joy: for she can so inform The mind that is within us, so impress With quietness and beauty, and so feed With lofty thoughts, that neither evil tongues, Rash judgments, nor the sneers of selfish men,Nor greetings where no kindness is, nor all 130
The dreary intercourse of daily life, Shall e'er prevail against us, or disturb Our cheerful faith, that all which we behold
Is full of blessings.”
RE- the madness - again, WW could not have been talking about all poets, although in your case, theologically speaking from a strictly Christian and I should add a strictly Islamic point of view when you say "Igbo Catholics should go back to the worship ways of their forefathers" – this is the sort of mad-ness that could be surely playing into the hands of mwalimu the strictly monotheist Boko Haram theologians who assert that the one sin that Allah subhan’t’ala does not tolerate or forgive is that of Shirk.
I arrived at my conclusion after following this story : At last Fashola begs Igbos over Deportation Saga | and in seeking more information about the “Aka Ikenga” which I thought must be connected to the music group - I arrived at this Ikenga which has considerably elevated the Igbo’s artistic status when it comes to woodcarving. I didn’t know that Igbos were any good at wood.
In my opinion what is needed is a certain generosity of spirit, of the type that our Brother Wole Soyinka ascribes to Kofi Awonoor when he eulogises him thus:
” Kofi Awoonor was a passionate African, that is, he gave primacy of place to values derived from his Ewe heritage. That, in turn, means that he was thoroughly imbued with the spirit of ecumenism towards other systems of belief and cultural usages – this being the scriptural ethos that permeates belief practices of most of this continent.”
The other Bard opined :
“What custom wills, in all things should we do't,
The dust on antique time would lie unswept,
And mountainous error be too highly heapt
For truth to o'er-peer.”
The idea of sacrifice is so intrinsic to e.g. Yoruba religion - as I have gleaned from this single source in my possession: J.Omosade Awolalu: Yoruba Beliefs & Sacrificial Rites – I guess that there’s a similar practice of sacrifice among the Igbo - and from there to the grand conception about “ the lamb of God” - is within reach of those who practise sacrifice – and as a former Biafra child soldier told me - the idea that believing in “ the lamb of God” could absolve him of even the most heinous sins, was a winning argument! So the salvational theology of Roman Catholicism is not such a foreign religion after all
So you see dear Chidi, I have no objection to your advocating that all the Igbos revert to Chukwu – assuming that you ever left him. It’s possible that Igbos were born Catholics - not being a missionary boy myself, who am I to object?
However since it was the Igbos that nearly drowned me by “full-immersion” baptism” in that river in Umuahia in 1981 - we should hope that they still do not indulge in such practices that could endanger the Igbo species and engender pieces such as “Death by Water” Wasn’t Eliot himself an Anglo Catholic ?
RE- Boko Haram: Investigating the latest claims about their leader’s resurrection – at least on video. Well I shouldn’t be too surprised if it turns out the Nigerian militray hit the wrong man and he’s still alive. A dear friend now late, Teju Dedoye of Ondo wrote a paper on a resurrection that took place in Yoruba. He talked about it, we discussed resurrection mostly in the abstract, and unfortunately I didn’t read the paper up to the time he left for Nigeria. He has now joined the ancestors....
Chidi - btw - you know
I’m beginning to warm to two guys:
Pope Francis and Chika Oyeani
Not because the latter has plenty of money
And I don’t have any
But because in the Sun Times he always has
A naughty story....
See you soon (by which I mean I’ll be in Dallas 2nd week of October and in Owerri 2nd week of November)
Sincerely,
On Monday, 10 June 2013 21:32:48 UTC+2, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
EUGENE NWOSU
"It is no use saying, "We are doing our
best." You have got to succeed in doing what is necessary"
- Winston Churchill
EUGENE NWOSU
“Love is patient,
Love is kind.
It does not envy,
It does not boast,
It is not proud.
It is not rude,
It is not self-seeking,
It is not easily angered.
It keeps no records of wrongs.”
--- Corinthians 13: 4-5
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EUGENE NWOSU
“A positive thinker does not refuse to recognise the negative; he/she refuses to dwell on it. Positive thinking is a form of thought which habitually looks for the best results from the worst conditions.”
– Norman Vincent Peale (1898 – 1993)
Cornelius Hamelberg
There you go. You’re quoting Saint Paul again. When you’re a little impatient, unkind, envious, boastful, proud, a little rude, selfish, self-seeking, angry, resentful, remember what the man said: it’s not love if you’re feeling or being any of these things!
But what does Paul know about love? If he were alive today, I wonder what he would say about same-sex love and marriage. I don’t suppose that he could have said these two things to a gay couple who wanted to get married and had approached him for advice:
2. “It’s better to marry than to burn”
Unless by burn he meant “to burn in hell” and not
to burn as Marvell wails:
“then worms shall try
That long preserv'd virginity,
And your quaint honour turn to dust,
And into ashes all my lust.”
Yeah, “Don't take her to movies but to cemeteries “
The lyrics of Billie Holiday’s Fine and Mellow put me in mind of 1st Corinthians Chapter 13
Re – “It is not proud” indeed that’s what John Donne once wrote about death and I quote:
“Death
be not proud though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadfull, for, thou art not soe,”
Time to update
EUGENE NWOSU
"It is a peculiarity of man that he can only live by looking to the future. And this is his salvation in the most difficult moments of his existence, although he sometimes has to force his mind to the task."
-- Viktor Frankl, Austrian Neurologist
EUGENE NWOSU
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress in the world depends on the unreasonable man"
- George Bernard Shaw
EUGENE NWOSU
HOW MANY MORE MUST DIE? By Dr. Peregrino Brimah (Life is Precious – Every Nigerian Do Something)
How many more must die for you to figure out that this is not working and rise up to replace the government, the elders and the formation of Nigeria if that be? Another 60 of us were killed in Benue state yesterday. 60! People like you and me. I could be dead, you could be dead. Is it business as usual? Is a blood sacrifice going on? I feel like I die every time a single person dies stupidly in this country of ours. Don’t you feel that way too? How can you continue your daily business knowing that for some, business is no more? Life is gone. Brothers and sisters who were here yesterday, farming and singing are no more…killed due to the stupidity of our greedy government? Hundreds in Borno, hundreds in Yobe, hundreds in Kaduna, hundreds in Katsina, hundreds in Adamawa. No less than 16,000 of us have been killed in this violence since 2011 according to US estimates; over a million families have lost a member. Billions worth have been burned of homes, shops, properties, even documents like birth certificates…passports, family pictures. And the government does not care. Nothing is being done to stop this bloody mayhem. Those who rampage and kill and burn our villages are never apprehended. It is no crime to the evil vampires in power once you operate as a mob and kill and burn. How long shall we sit down and tolerate this…is it because we feel far away from the most affected towns and villages? We are not so far oh! This madness will come our way, I promise you, and even our wicked President has said he is now taking off his kid gloves a tad bit because people are worried that it will come to our parts. Dear Nigerians, some of us are rising up to protest tomorrow, 27th March at the beckon of the JAF (Joint Action Front). Rise up! Protest with us, everybody, it is time for this murderous system and murderous government to go. This is not politics or tribalism; this is a war against evil and how long we will take it. Not a single other innocent person needs to die. Not one single other innocent soul needs to be sacrificed at the corruption altar by the cabal whose use the blood in their rituals to hypnotize and distract us as so they plunder billions of dollars and operate insane oligopolies to extort us of billions more. No more blood must be shed at the cabal’s altar! Do you see any cabal die from this madness? Do you see them being killed, their homes and businesses being burned? Is it not only us that are poor, that suffer and that die? Can you not see that the cabal have waged war against us and we are not even trying to fight back… some of us do not even know that they have waged war against us, our treasury, our economy, our security; everything, our now and our future… even our brain and conscience is under their attack. These workers of Satan leave nothing behind. Is this how those of us who were here and mature in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s watched as pogroms took place, as the peoples were exterminated openly and under government supervision and did not act? Pogroms are taking place right now, once again under our watch, will we just watch or shall we act? The protests begin with you. You are the man to start and lead the protests. You are the soldier to seize the moment. You are the worker to fire your boss. Go out as one man today, tomorrow, you will be the one man that matters. Things must change in Nigeria. We must change things in Nigeria. These cabal have been engrossed so much in looting money that they have all lost their senses. Now they have crossed the line. It is time for us to replace all our leadership in this nation entirely, Emirs, Oba’s, Senators, Governors right up to the President. These are mostly wicked people; they watch people die in their communities in their states, in other states, in the nation and are not perturbed by it. They do not rush and set up meetings, committees, fund raisers and interventions to solve the crises. These are witches. They go now! It is time they go! Are these human beings? Are we human beings if we continue to do nothing?
Written By Dr. Peregrino Brimah http://ENDS.ng [Every Nigerian Do Something] Email: drbr...@ends.ng Twitter: @EveryNigerian
EUGENE NWOSU
“God does not command we do great things, only little things with Love”
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- Passage from Life of Christ
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