OAU Professor Caught on Tape Soliciting Sex from Student

[Moses Ebe Ochonu]

Here is a link to the latest sex scandal involving a Nigeria-based professor soliciting for sex from a student to pass her in his course. The audio is currently trending.

https://www.naijanews.com/gist/56076-oau-lecturer-professor-richard-akindele-involved-in-sex-scandal/

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OAU Lecturer Professor Richard Akindele Involved In Sex Scandal

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 April 9, 2018

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Prof Richard Akindele

Richard Akindele, a Professor at Obafemi Awolowo University (OAU), Ile-Ife, Osun State, is in trouble for demanding to have sex five times with his student before passing her.

A telephone conversation involving the and the student was posted on Youtube on April 9.

Naija News was able to confirm that the voice in the leaked conversation was his, it is established that the Professor is indeed a staff of OAU.

The female student, whose identity is still unknown, called the Professor to inquire about his earlier demand for sex to pass her in the lecturer’s course that she supposedly failed.

He told the student that she would repeat the exam in the next academic session since she had refused to “take the opportunity” he offered her to have sex with him.

“I gave you an opportunity and you missed it,” the Professor told the female student on phone. “Forget about it. You will do it next year.”

The student said she was calling to confirm whether he was serious about having sex with her.

He responded: “Me that agreed to do something. I know what I meant. If you don’t trust me forget about it. If I wouldn’t do it, why should I give you audience in the first place. If I am not interested in doing it, I won’t give you audience.

“The other person has come and I told her straight away because there is nothing I can do to bail that person out and her mark is even better than your own. The person scored 39 while your own is 33.”

The lecturer then asked her why she told him that she was on her period the day they met and he demanded sex.

“I was really seeing my period Professor Akindele,” the girl responded but the man told her to stop mentioning his name.

“And now nko?” he asked, to which she replied that the period had ended.

“Your boyfriend has done it yesterday?” he asked.

“Is it every time that someone will be doing with the boyfriend?,” she responded. “Is it every time you do it with your wife?”

“Yes,” he answered.

“It’s a lie,” the girl exclaimed. “Not possible.”

When the girl asked him about the plan for the arrangement for her to have the sex so that she could avoid repeating the course, he told her that they would have the first sex the next day and on four subsequent occasions.

“Is not five we agreed? Our agreement is five,” he said

“Is it B that you want to give me or C?” the girl asked. “Why would it be five times you will knack me?”

She then told him she would not have sex with him five times.

“Prof, you know what? Let me fail it. I can’t do it five times. For what nah? No worry. Thank you, sir,” she said, then ended the call.

Listen to audio below:

[Shola Adenekan]

Dear All,

As a follow up to Moses's post. Here is another link to the story as published by Premium Times

 - https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/264485-top-nigerian-university-oau-enmeshed-in-sex-for-mark-scandal.html

And here is an excerpt from the article:

Several students and staff told PREMIUM TIMES that the male voice was that of Richard Akinola, a professor in the management and accounting department of the faculty of administration at OAU. We also gathered that the lady is a final year student, who failed a course taught by Mr Akinola. Several efforts to get the lecturer’s reaction were unsuccessful on Monday. He was not available the different times our correspondent went to his office.

A senior academic staff in the accounting department, who volunteered to speak without being named, told our correspondent that Mr Akinola was “caught three years ago” for engaging in the sex-for-mark practice, a common problem in Nigerian universities.

“Every Nigerian adult, who is not a liar, who schooled in Nigeria, knows a Nigerian girl that was hassled for sex over marks/not failing a course in Nigerian public universities,” commented Japhet Omojuwa, one of the social media users demanding authorities act to deter others.

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Very sad

toyin

[Moses Ebe Ochonu]

Predictably, so far, there is radio silence from our colleagues at home, purveyors of the rhetoric of "a few bad eggs," and "the system is not as bad as you portray it." We await the disciplinary action, if any, that will be taken against this predator. On social media, those who know him say he's been preying on his students for 20 years. And he is also said to be a pastor. Go figure. Only God knows how many female students have acquiesced to his predatory demands over the years before this brave, young woman decided to record him in the act, so to speak.

One thing is for sure: Professor Richard Akindele will have many of his own colleagues (those who will vehemently argue that one is being unfair to them, the "clean" lecturers) begging on his behalf and saying that it was the devil, that he is human and bound to make a mistake, and that he has mouths to feed and so his career should be spared. These pleading lecturers will not even have the self-awareness to realize that they have become accomplices and enablers in the crime.There will of course be no consideration for this woman and Akindele's many other victims.

 

[Mobolaji Aluko]

My People:

One curious matter here...

Is he Professor Akindele or Professor Akinola?

Sad...

Bolaji Aluko

[Okechukwu Ukaga]

or Pastor ......

Very sad indeed. 

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Such a shame.

The eternal problem of the disjunction between sexual demand and supply.

This man is cruelly demanding  '5 times' from an unwiling student while there are women seeking the same '5 times' or more but cant find.

The university is investigating.

People are rightly expressing outrage.

The girl was creative and bold.

While recognizing the evil represented by this man's behavior, I would like to contribute another angle- my suspicion that Nigeria needs serious dating sites where people can go to get their rocks off rather than molesting students, for example.

Gumtree is a good general purpose site that  had a good section for such purposes till it was regrettably shut down.

Toyin

[Moses Ebe Ochonu]

Jeez, so this is not a problem of sexual predation by an authority figure but one of "the eternal problem the disjuncture between sexual demand and supply." Wow!! So this is not a problem of the abuse of power and sexual harassment on the part of a superior targeting subordinate victims; rather it is a problem of the absence of outlets to release libidinal urges. And the solution is not firm, impartial punishment and deterrence regimes and arrangements but a dating website where randy, predatory university lecturers can pick up women for consensual sex. Wow, just wow!!

Now I've heard it all on this listserv.

[Moses Ebe Ochonu]

My Facebook update on the matter.

OAU Accounting and Management Professor, Richard Akindele, was recorded in the process of sexually preying on his student and promising to award her a pass mark in his course.

Many responders have unequivocally condemned the professor and shown sympathy for the victim.

But did some responders commend the brave young woman for recording the man "in the act"? No!

Did they ask whether in fact the student deserved the fail grade in the first place or was failed by the professor as a tactic of sexual blackmail? No!

Did they ask how many victims this sexual predator had successfully violated before this brave, defiant woman undertook this mission of exposure? No!

Did they stop to ask why a Professor would even have such inappropriate, unprofessional conversations with his student? No!

Did they inquire into the disciplinary process, if any, that should/would follow? No!

Did they ask if the young victim has any recourse or avenues of redress within and without the university? No!

Did they ask how many Akindeles are prowling Nigerian university campuses and violating their female students in exchange for grades? No!

Did they even ask why she resorted to social media and not report the man's conduct to higher university authorities? No!

Instead, they have plenty to say about how the voice on the tape may have been manipulated and may not be that of the professor.

They say she violated the man's privacy and trust.

They ask what the victim is doing in the man's office.

They ask if she's a serious student (why did she fail the course in the first place, they ask)

They ask if she was not the one that "seduced" or solicited the professor for the sex-for-marks scheme.

They accuse her, the victim, of a malicious plot to destroy the professor and his career.

Taking their victim-blaming even further, they ask why she was having such a conversation with a married man. They are able to sustain this illogic because they do not reverse the question to ask why the married man was having such a conversation with his student.

They ask why she did not petition higher university authorities to look into her grade rather than approach the lecturer.

The saddest part of all this? Most of the accusers, doubters, and questioners are women, some of whom even said lecturers similarly sexually preyed upon them when they were undergraduates in Nigerian universities.

[Chidi Anthony Opara]

It looks like the problem is the "five times". It looks like if the Professor had agreed "to do once", it could have been a "done deal" and we would not have known.

CAO.

[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Predictable response. Once a linear script is not followed, evil has been committed, according to this mono-dimensional perspective. 

Adepoju, anticipating such predictable linearity, took pains to cover all angles, stating-

'The university is investigating.

People are rightly expressing outrage.

The girl was creative and bold.

While recognizing the evil represented by this man's behavior, I would like to contribute another angle- my suspicion that Nigeria needs serious dating sites where people can go to get their rocks off rather than molesting students, for example.'

Everyone does not have have to dance in the same way for various perspectives to be relevant on the same problem.

toyin

[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

from Lizi Ike on Facebook, responding to Hetty Orkuma's post on the same subject: 


'... when my dad was dean I was visiting him in the office one day when a girl came to cry to him that one lecturer has failed her 3 times because she wouldn't sleep with him. Prof sent her outside first, then told me how "This is how lazy girls come and blame lecturers for their failure". Jesus! I almost put myself up for adoption that day. I asked him if he wanted me to call all my friends to come and tell him their stories, the stories that scared me so much I finally started thanking God I had my dad's exact face (its finer on a man) and I started introducing myself to lecturers last name first. Mehn, Nigerian public universities are zoos.'

[Moses Ebe Ochonu]

In the wake of this latest scandal, Nigerian cyberspace is currently flooded with the outpouring of similar horror stories of sexual predation, but some people will say these women are making up the stories to smear lecturers. That's the part that gets me, as if we didn't study in Nigerian universities and witnessed all the vices--from sexual predation to monetary extortion to professorial laziness and abdication of responsibilities.

[Moses Ebe Ochonu]

Toyin Adepoju,

You're engaging in the familiar but unfortunate maneuver of people who want to mitigate, minimize, or muddle sexual assault and harassment. They first declare and perform the perfunctory acknowledgment of the evil of sexual predation. Then they negate it right away by going on a distracting, obfuscatory tangent of invoking variables that take the blame and attention away from the perpetrators and their victims.

Let me break it down for you. People are having sex in Nigeria as much as they are in other places. Sex is as available and transactional as it is elsewhere. People are engaging in sexual relations frequently both within and outside the confines of marriage. There is thus no shortage of sex, or as you put it short supply of sex that is eclipsed by demand. 

This is a problem of sexual predation. It's not a problem of being sex-deprived or having unfulfilled, unmet sexual urges. It is not a problem of sexual supply failing to keep pace with libidinal flow. If Professor Akindele is a perpetually horny lecturer who who can't discipline his sexual anatomy and wants to have sex multiple times everyday, he can do so without harassing his students for it. And were he to avail himself of those avenues, we would not be having this conversation, and there would be no scandal, only a problem with his spouse probably.

Sexual crimes are ultimately not about sex per se, or the shortage of it. They are about power and ego. I thought this was common knowledge.

[segun ogungbemi]

Let him face justice. It is awful. 

Segun Ogungbemi. 

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[Malami buba]

‘Sexual crimes are ultimately … about power and ego.’Moses Ochonu

 The ‘big man’ of OAU must wield his power (for once) by suspending Professor Akindele while  investigating this despicable crime. VCs who rule campuses, as they do, without a guide to sexual harassment for staff must share the blame for this crime. A courageous whistleblowing against a very old but under-reported crime on Nigerian campuses. This student must be supported to graduate from OAU. 

Malami

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[Emeagwali, Gloria (History)]

This is not about  sexual deprivation, Toyin. It is about power, control, male chauvinism,  indiscretion, intimidation,  harassment and blackmail.

The institutional and structural mechanisms for  dealing with such incidents should be put in place,  to avoid  these abusive, scandalous and  pornographic, show- and- tell incidents. I believe ASUU, the legal system, the university administration, women's groups and  community activists should play a part in solving the problem. 

GE

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

The  mono-dimensional perspective is accurate but not the complete picture.

The lecturer  could have asked to be bribed in cash,  but he chose sex. The entry of sex into the economy of corruption indicates that the situation can no more be adequately perceived  purely in terms of " power, control, male chauvinism,  indiscretion, intimidation,  harassment and blackmail", as Gloria characterizes  it, or purely about "power and ego" as Moses describes it.

The ready availability of legal means of satisfying desires mitigates the likelihood of satisfying those desires illegally.

When I started as a new lecturer at the University of Benin, two of my senior male colleagues advised me in connection with relating with female students. One advised against it because of its potential negative ramifications. Another reiterated the idea and advised that it was wiser to get a girlfriend from another higher institution in the same radius, a pragmatic perspective seeking a practical solution to an unavoidable challenge.

While others are highlighting the need for corrective and disciplinary mechanisms, I am interested in other aspects of social engineering relevant in this situation. Does that detract from placing blame where it belongs? No.

I'm writing this in a gated house, amidst other gated houses in Ikeja, Lagos, where I moved from Cambridge, where gated houses are rare. Not surprising, on account of the high level of economic inadequacy  in Lagos and Nigeria in general unlike Cambridge where even people who are not employed are empowered by free money from the govt and many are assisted with housing. Thus, while the burglar is ultimately responsible for their decision to steal that decision is shaped by myriad factors, of which environmental constraints  and positive enablements are significant, along with the deterrent provided by law enforcement.

Lets delve a little into the salacious.

Is it true, as Moses declares, that

" People are having sex in Nigeria as much as they are in other places. Sex is as available and transactional as it is elsewhere. People are engaging in sexual relations frequently both within and outside the confines of marriage. There is thus no shortage of sex, or as you put it short supply of sex that is eclipsed by demand".

First, I am of the view that sexual supply can never meet demand, even in the most liberal environments, on account of the various protocols that sex involves, protocols relating to its intimate interpersonality, even when money changes hands. I am still trying to work out this theory so I can't explain it succinctly beyond this right now.

Are people in Nigeria having sex as much as in other places, as Moses alleges? It is not possible for that to be the case. Is "Sex.. as available and transactional [ in Nigeria]  as it is elsewhere" as Moses claims? That too, is not possible, since availability of sex depends on various factors more visible in some environments than in others.

The availability of sex is predicated upon the liberality of an environment, on the degree of freedom from demands extraneous to the act, such as the provision of money, the need for a relationship, the desire for emotional bonding, the aspiration to anything beyond simply getting it done as well as ready access to social spaces where a variety of sexual needs can be met through interaction between those sharing the same needs.

Nigerian social space is significantly saturated by needs arising from both economic inadequacy, traditional culture and religion, increasing the coupling of sex and money and sex and long term relationships, specifically marriage. I don't get the impression that the presence of social spaces dedicated to exploring a variety of sexual opportunities is strong in Nigeria. Even then, sexual predators are active even in liberal environments.

All these factors are a world of difference from the very visible presence of various dating sites along with such innovative strategies as speed dating active in Europe and North America, for example.

In my exposure in Nigeria, so far, the only group actively and deliberately addressing the creation of  a system for interpersonal interaction with amorous possibilities are the churches, as represented by their singles events. Taking maximum advantage of this, however, implies belonging to the church and sharing both the general Christian world view, as well as the ethos of the particular church one attends.

I have been an active observer and explorer of this subject and related issues in various cities in England and Lagos, and in relation to various online communities, Western, Asian and African,  investigating its ramifications in interpersonal relations online and offline, in erotica offline and online, in the configurations of dating and other interpersonal relationship platforms online, as well as in on the ground investigations, interests reflected in the Facebook group I founded and run, Erotica Global,  as well as a broad range of writings on the feminine, from the aesthetic to the erotic to the spiritual, philosophical and arcane, this scope represented by my book Vagina Mysticism and the Erotic Art of Ruth Bircham, along with essays some of which are accessible through the bibliography "Linked List of Publications of Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju by Subject. In Progress" under the heading "The Feminine Presence", ranging from writings under the sub-headings of various Yoruba female centred spiritual orientations,  from essays on Iyami Aje to the Iya Agaba essay series  to those under the further subheading of "Female Centred Aesthetics" in its "Non-Erotic" and "Erotic Aspects".

Toyin

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[Chidi Anthony Opara]

"This is not about sexual deprivation, Toyin. It is about power, control, male chauvinism, indiscretion, intimidation, harassment and blackmail." (Gloria).

I agree, but there is no victim. There are culprits.

We were not told that the Professor failed her, she failed and needed help, if she was failed, she should have used the normal channel to get a redress, and having failed, she should have retaken the examination.

The Professor's condition was too stringent for her. From the audio, she did not protest the demand for sex, she protested the condition.

It is obvious that if the Professor did not stick to his "five times" condition, the scandal would not have occurred.

The recording and exposure are desperate actions to survive.

I repeat, there are culprits, there is no victim in this matter.

CAO.

[Chidi Anthony Opara]

Moses,
There must be divergence of perspectives, irrespective of how we feel about an issue, it is natural.

We, the enlightened(?) are supposed to accommodate that fact, even while disagreeing with such perspectives.

Thank you.

CAO.

[profoy...@yahoo.com]

As long as people think with their bottom not their heads, there would be casualties.

Sent from my HTC

"This is not about  sexual deprivation, Toyin. It is about power, control, male chauvinism,  indiscretion, intimidation,  harassment and blackmail." (Gloria).

I agree, but there is no victim. There are culprits.

We were not told that the Professor failed her, she failed and needed help, if she was failed, she should have used the normal channel to get a redress, and having failed, she should have retaken the examination.

The Professor's condition was too stringent for her. From the audio, she did not protest the demand for sex, she protested the condition.

It is obvious that if the Professor did not stick to his "five times" condition, the scandal would not have occurred.

The recording and exposure are desperate actions to survive.

I repeat, there are culprits, there is no victim in this matter.

CAO.

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[Moses Ebe Ochonu]

Toyin Adepoju,

You're bent on painting a picture of Nigeria as a sex-deprived polity, a picture that is a figment of your curious imagination. You have then proceeded on that premise to portray Nigerian male lecturers as sex-deprived men who have overflowing libido, which cannot legitimately be satiated, hence their predatory behavior towards their students. Again, this is another diversionary invention.

I hope you realize the implications of your diversionary tactics. Not only are you seeking to rationalize sexual crimes by authority figures preying on their students, I'm not entirely sure that Nigerian lecturers would be thrilled by your portrayal of them as sex-starved animals who cannot control themselves or stop preying on their students unless some dating website was established to enable them pick up consenting women to have regular sex with.

Beyond pointing out these obvious problems with your strange, bizarre formulation, I do not intend to dignify it further because that would make me complicit in your unfortunate effort to change the subject from this predator lecturer and his victim.

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As long as people think with their bottom not their heads, there would be casualties.

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"This is not about  sexual deprivation, Toyin. It is about power, control, male chauvinism,  indiscretion, intimidation,  harassment and blackmail." (Gloria).

I agree, but there is no victim. There are culprits.

We were not told that the Professor failed her, she failed and needed help, if she was failed, she should have used the normal channel to get a redress, and having failed, she should have retaken the examination.

The Professor's condition was too stringent for her. From the audio, she did not protest the demand for sex, she protested the condition.

It is obvious that if the Professor did not stick to his "five times" condition, the scandal would not have occurred.

The recording and exposure are desperate actions to survive.

I repeat, there are culprits, there is no victim in this matter.

CAO.

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[Moses Ebe Ochonu]

Malami,

And that is the sad part. You may be shocked to know that OAU may not even have a sexual harassment manual or policy, and that they may simply scramble, because of the bad publicity, to initiate an ad hoc process whose outcome would be disappointing. You ask why the professor has not been suspended pending the completion of investigations into his conduct. Your question assumes that there is a policy that would authorize or guide a suspension. There may not be. I stand to be corrected by the OAU people on this list. Most Nigerian universities do not have such policies, and so not only do predatory lecturers not face justice, the student victims have no recourse. Where there is no policy or manual to follow, the Akindeles proliferate. You mentioned VCs, but you yourself know that the VCs only care about wielding power on campus and skimming off contracts.

Someone mentioned ASUU potentially being a partner in solving the problem and I laughed. When the National Assembly passed or was about to pass a campus sexual assault and harassment law two years ago, did ASUU and other university stakeholders not make presentations vehemently opposing the bill? They even threatened to embark on strike if the bill was passed. That was the end of that bill. By the way, this is not the first scandal backed by audio-visual evidence in the age of social media. There have been several in the last few years. Has ASUU even as much as weighed in with a statement?

As things stand, the name-and-shame effort is the only recourse. Unfortunately, that will not bring justice to victims in the absence of a sexual harassment policy on campuses. It may just create sensationalism and even backlash towards the victims as we're seeing in this case. Name-and-shame will not institute deterrence as shame and humiliation seem to have disappeared from our socio-political lexicon.

[Kenneth Harrow]

Moses, what of all those stories that circulated concerning blackmailing of profs? If name and shame is the only recourse, wouldn’t that also be a factor to consider?

ken

 

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Very sad

toyin

 

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

EDITED

While Moses continues to insist that the only legitimate line of thought in this subject is that of identifying the lecturer as guilty and devising ways of punishment and methods of deterrent through fear of punishment , I am arguing that, necessary as that is, the situation could also inspire valid reflection on the economy of sexuality, particularly in environments where men and women are involved and motivate working out various ways of managing this unavoidable dynamic.

That's all.

Any claim that attractions between men and women, lecturers and non-lecturers, will not occur in such situations, is fiction. Even a righteous lecturer could have female students showing an interest in him both for genuine and predatory reasons.

How does one handle such situations? Moses' view is that the only approach is to be guided by the call of duty and the fear of punishment. I am arguing that, along with guidance by  duty and fear of sanctions, one may also be motivated by the access to options outside the flood of women and men on campus, particularly students, who are vulnerable in interaction with authority figures, particularly lecturers.

I want to reason as a realist. Not an unrealistic idealist. A visionary realist, a formulation I encountered in a speech by  then Nigerian head of state Ibrahim Babangida,    is an identity I prefer to adopt.

Places of study and places of work, environments where people are brought together for long periods in close proximity, are the prime breeding grounds of sexual attraction and other erotic dynamics.

How may this fact be best managed? Purely through rules of deterrent? A close study of human nature makes it clear that is useful but inadequate.

Did French President Macron not eventually marry his teacher? In the midst of  the widespread anguish over this OAU scandal, Hetty Hembadoon Orkuma has these contrastive accounts of personal experience as her response to the scandal in her Facebook post of 10th April 2018:

"[ Leaving the lecturer's office] I quickly said 'Thank you Sir' and made for the door that was when Mr man decided to slap my bumbum.

No it wasn't a slap it was a yansh pack! He grabbed my bum from under and packed it up and in the process packed my sanitary pad too. Before my mind could say Nigerian Elder I had turned and given him a dirty slap! After which I held the guilty hand with my other hand and burst into tears. How I left that office and walked to the hostel came to me later. I was crying and thinking about my future. Funny thing is the goat had console [d] me [ and] helped me clean my face and escorted me to the door which he opened to let me out while saying don't worry to my 500 I am sorrys".

She concludes:

"When I started writing I wanted to talk about three lecturer incidents. One that threatened to fail me if I didn't meet him in his office at night, but he is dead so I decided against it. This one. And another that asked me out and ended with you are taking my course, I asked him if he was making a pass at [me] because he was a man and I was female or because he thought he had power over me because I had had carryover before and carry over does not give belle. But now the story is already too long and I am feeling hungry self.

Maybe I just wanted to add my own lecturer story to the one trending which by the way I have not listened to. I also went out with a lecturer. He is the most intelligent and fun person I know till date".

Along with presenting Hetty's brutal experiences with lecturers, I have placed in italics the line from her account that complexifies the possibility of sexual and amorous  interaction between students and academics beyond the simplistic perspective of  'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil and do no evil' symbolized by three monkeys, each covering ears, eyes and mouth.

Dealing with wrongdoing is best accomplished by addressing the complete humanity of the people involved, not simply by thinking in terms of punishment as the only means of deterrent, valid as punishment may be.

Intense outrage as projected by Moses is vital but such outrage may be enriched by recognition of the complexity of the situation and the development of a range of approaches to tackling the problem  that address this complexity.

thanks

toyin

On 12 April 2018 at 04:08, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin....@gmail.com> wrote:

While Moses continues to insist that the only legitimate line of thought in this subject is that of identifying the lecturer as guilty and devise ways of punishment, I am arguing that, necessary as that is, the situation could also inspire valid reflection on the economy of sexuality, particularly in environments where men and women are involved and motivate working out various ways of managing this unavoidable dynamic.

That's all.

Any claim that attractions between men and women, lecturers and non-lecturers, will not occur in such situations, is fiction. Even a righteous lecturer could have female students showing an interest in him both for genuine and predatory reasons.

How does one handle such situations? Moses' view is that the only approach is to be guided by the call of duty. I am arguing that, along with guidance by  duty, one may also be motivated by the access to options outside the flood of women on campus.

I want to reason as a realist. Not an unrealistic idealist. A visionary realist, a formulation I encountered in a speech by  then Nigerian head of state Ibrahim Babangida,    is an identity I prefer to adopt.

Places of study and places of work, environments where people are brought together for long periods in close proximity, are the prime breeding grounds of sexual attraction and other erotic dynamics.

How may this fact be best managed? Purely through rules of deterrent? A close study of human nature makes it clear that is useful but inadequate.

Did French President Macron not eventually marry his teacher? In the midst of  the widespread anguish over this OAU scandal, Hetty Hembadoon Orkuma has these contrastive accounts of personal experience as her response to the scandal in her Facebook post of 10th April 2018:

"[ Leaving the lecturer's office] I quickly said 'Thank you Sir' and made for the door that was when Mr man decided to slap my bumbum.

No it wasn't a slap it was a yansh pack! He grabbed my bum from under and packed it up and in the process packed my sanitary pad too. Before my mind could say Nigerian Elder I had turned and given him a dirty slap! After which I held the guilty hand with my other hand and burst into tears. How I left that office and walked to the hostel came to me later. I was crying and thinking about my future. Funny thing is the goat had console [d] me [ and] helped me clean my face and escorted me to the door which he opened to let me out while saying don't worry to my 500 I am sorrys".

She concludes:

"When I started writing I wanted to talk about three lecturer incidents. One that threatened to fail me if I didn't meet him in his office at night, but he is dead so I decided against it. This one. And another that asked me out and ended with you are taking my course, I asked him if he was making a pass at [me] because he was a man and I was female or because he thought he had power over me because I had had carryover before and carry over does not give belle. But now the story is already too long and I am feeling hungry self.

Maybe I just wanted to add my own lecturer story to the one trending which by the way I have not listened to. I also went out with a lecturer. He is the most intelligent and fun person I know till date".

Along with presenting Hetty's brutal experiences with lecturers, I have placed in italics the line from her account that complexifies the possibility of sexual and amorous  interaction between students and academics beyond the simplistic perspective of ' 'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil and do no evil' symbolized by three monkeys, each covering ears, eyes and mouth.

Dealing with wrongdoing is best accomplished by addressing the complete humanity of the people involved, not simply by thinking in terms of punishment as the only means of deterrent, valid as punishment may be.

Intense outrage as projected by Moses is vital but such outrage may be enriched by recognition of the complexity of the situation and the development of a range of approaches to tackling the problem  that address this complexity.

thanks

toyin

On 11 April 2018 at 14:47, Moses Ebe Ochonu <meoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Toyin Adepoju,

You're bent on painting a picture of Nigeria as a sex-deprived polity, a picture that is a figment of your curious imagination. You have then proceeded on that premise to portray Nigerian male lecturers as sex-deprived men who have overflowing libido, which cannot legitimately be satiated, hence their predatory behavior towards their students. Again, this is another diversionary invention.

I hope you realize the implications of your diversionary tactics. Not only are you seeking to rationalize sexual crimes by authority figures preying on their students, I'm not entirely sure that Nigerian lecturers would be thrilled by your portrayal of them as sex-starved animals who cannot control themselves or stop preying on their students unless some dating website was established to enable them pick up consenting women to have regular sex with.

Beyond pointing out these obvious problems with your strange, bizarre formulation, I do not intend to dignify it further because that would make me complicit in your unfortunate effort to change the subject from this predator lecturer and his victim.

[Salimonu Kadiri]

Not everything done in Europe and America is good and not everything done in Nigeria (Africa) is bad. The problem with Africa, especially Nigeria, is that we copy bad things from Europe and America while retaining bad and abandoning the good things we do in our culture. Nigeria used to be an agrarian society with regulated family structure before it was unfortunately colonized. As a result, present day Nigeria is neither industrialized nor purely agrarian. We now import junks, including alien cultures, from Europe and America such as bleaching creams, synthetic hairs, fake nails, fake eyelashes and eyebrows. During the agrarian era in Nigeria, men and women lived in chastity until they got married and where a man was polygamous, his sexual activities were restricted and limited to his wives. All available women were mated and chance for a man to engage in sexual intercourse outside marriage was nil. In that unpolluted culture, the primary purpose of sexual intercourse between a man and a woman was to procreate, since according to the social norm children were the only insurance against old-age. In case of a childless old man and woman, children of extended families (cousins, brothers, sisters and aunts) would  step in to take care of them and when dead perform the burial ceremonies. In the agrarian society of Nigeria, none of our indigenous language had words for boy-friend/girl friend but fiancé, which is known as ÌYÀWÓ ÀFÉSÓNÀ in Yoruba, meaning a wife that is yet to come home. During the agrarian era in Nigeria, virginity stood for purity and it was a thing of pride amongst wife-to-be young women. A woman who on her wedding night got deflowered by her husband used to be highly appreciated by the husband's family who would take full pack of matches, a full keg of palm-wine and the blood-stained white cloth used for the deflowering to the house of the bride's family. The deflowering depicts that the girl was well brought up. The bride's parents with shoulders high would receive the gifts and thus call for celebration. Before the perversion of marriage institution in Nigeria, our tradition did not consider it as private affairs of a man and a woman involved in the marriage That was why relatives on both sides of the couples-to-be in a marriage and the entire community were also engaged in the process. In case a woman and a man met and desired to be husband and wife, the man in particular would tell his parents who in turn would contact the parents of the woman. In the Yoruba part of Nigeria, what is known as ALÁRINÀ, meaning match makers or intermediaries, would be set up. The duty of the ALÁRINÀ is to ascertain the ability of the man to keep a family and to verify the likelihood of the woman to be a good wife, in addition to verifying that the couples-to-be are both from good families. 

Prior to the end of the first world war, there was no word for concubine in any of Nigerian languages and sexual intercourse was not a recreation exercise for men but a means to procreate. All available women are married even though it led to polygamy in some cases because of the traditional belief that no woman should artificially be denied the right to give birth to children. Nigerians who returned home after World War 1 and their British masters introduced the culture of concubine, which the Yoruba named ÀLÈ, into Nigeria. Thus, a child given birth to by a woman with no identifiable father as the husband of the woman is called OMÓ ÀLÈ in Yoruba, meaning a bastard. Words such as prostitute, harlot and whore had no equivalents in any Nigerian language until after World War 1, when it was socially known that a woman could engage in sex with men in exchange for money from returning soldiers. Such a woman is called in Yoruba language ASÉWÓ and both the man and  the woman who are engaged in money for sex are characterized in Yoruba as committing either PÁNSÁGÀ or ÀGBÈRÈ, meaning adultery or fornication.

The cultural degeneration of Nigeria has since been accelerated by the western civilised Nigerian elites promoting half-nakedness in the name of fashion and near nudity in the name of modelling and beauty pageant. The culture of obscenity and pornography is now in vogue. The rate at which ladies (girls) go about exposing their boobs, thighs and navels, nowadays, is quite alarming. Boys are now brought up to regard their sexual organ as ferrous metal that will oxidise if not used regularly. Under the pretence of combatting the spread of HIV/AIDS western civilised Nigerian elites now import over 400 million packets of condoms into Nigeria. I remember after Nigeria's independence in the 60s that Nigerians who returned to Nigeria to take over from the British administrators came with packets of Durex condoms which they intended to use on their Nigerian wives for the purpose of avoiding pregnancy. Nigerian women of that time refused to be used as masturbating machines by their Johnny Just Come from London husbands, telling them that the best way to avoid unwanted pregnancy was abstinence. In Europe and America, sex is attributed with the same importance as water, air and food to the life of human beings. Whereas one can die of dehydration, asphyxiation or hunger, no human has ever been reported to have died of sex starvation. Sexual intercourse is not a must for any human being except when there is desire to procreate. But it would appear as if Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju dissociates himself from this incontrovertible truth. 

Thus, on a Professor allegedly demanding sex in exchange for a pass grade from a female student, Mr.Adepoju wrote, "While recognizing the evil represented by the man's behaviour, I would like to contribute another angle - my suspicion that Nigeria needs serious dating sites where people can go to get their rocks off rather than molesting students, for example." Mr. Adepoju wrote in general term about dating sites 'where people can go to get their rocks off' instead of writing where men can go since it is always men who are afflicted with unquenchable thirst for sex. If such dating sites should be instituted in Nigeria, would Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju approve  his sisters or daughters to be engaged as hostesses there so that men who are sexual carnivores can come and prey on them to satisfy their unlimited sexual appetite? Beside that, had Mr. Adepoju read through the whole transcript of the alleged recorded telephone conversation between the female student and the male professor, he would have discovered that the Professor was not suffering from sexual starvation. Let's look at the relevant portion of the alleged  recorded telephone conversation.

Student: Is it every time that someone will be doing (sex) with the boyfriend? Is it every time you do it (sex) with your wife?

Lecturer: Yes.

Student: It is a lie, not possible. So what's the plan now? 

Answering the female student's question, the lecturer admitted having sexual intercourse with his wife every time and as such he was not suffering from sexual hunger when he tried to coerce the female student into sex with him.

However, in this age of Nollywood, it cannot be ruled out that the voice purported to be that of Professor Richard Akindele in the recorded telephone conversation does not belong to an Actor imitating the voice of the Professor from another telephone. I await eagerly to know that the call log on the female student's telephone will confirm that she actually dialled the telephone numbers of Professor Akindele at that particular given time and date. May it also be confirmed from Professor Akindele's telephone that he received the call from the female student. My skepticism on the authenticity of the voice of the professor is based on the beginning of the conversation initiated by the student with the Professor and his response.

Student: Hello Sir, Professor Akindele, yesterday you said something but because I was close to my boyfriend I could not say anything. You said you've submitted it. 

Lecturer: I gave you an opportunity and you missed it. Forget about it. You will do it next year.

Student: I was calling to confirm whether you were serious about it. 

In the above conversations, the student confirmed that she had been told by the Professor that 'he had submitted it' and which understandably meant that her exam result had been submitted to the appropriate quarter in the OAU. The lecturer talked further about giving opportunity to the female student which she missed and causing him to tell her to forget about it implying that it was no longer possible to do anything about the exam result he had submitted to the appropriate instance within the University; and he ended by saying, "You will do it (understandably the same exam) next year." No Professor worthy of his title would have continued conversation of sex with the female student as the transcript shows when he had already foreclosed any chance of helping her transform a fail to a pass grade this year. In reasoning like this, I have assumed that the Professor is a normal person but as in many other things in our mother land, nothing is normal in Nigeria where for instance the Senate President is standing trial for false declaration of assets and while the trial is ongoing, the Panama Papers revealed  that he has undeclared assets off-shores contrary to Nigerian laws, but the criminal is presiding over the Senate and making laws for Nigerians to obey.

S. Kadiri   

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Forgot to add this-

A few Facebook Sugar Mummy pages

Sugar mummy" page"

Sugar Mummy Hookup Zone

On 15 April 2018 at 18:05, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin....@gmail.com> wrote:

 Thanks, Kadiri.

These are important issues.

Female Sexuality in Nigeria

The classical sexual cultures of Nigerians in particular and Africans in general, however,  were more complex than you present them,as suggested by the practice of female husbands, discussed about Igbo culture by such texts as Iffy Amdiome's 

​Male Daughters, ​

Female Husbands and Kenneth Chukwuemeka Nwoko's "Female Husbands in Igbo Land : Eastern Nigeria"  and of the Nandi and Abagusii people  of Western Kenya and the Lovedu of South Africa  by Hleziphi Nyanungo in "Female Husbands Without Male Wives: Women, Culture and Marriage in Africa"

​ and ​"Is the Female Husband a Man? Woman/Woman Marriage among the Nandi of Kenya". The men having sex with these "wives" of the "female husbands" are not married to the women. It  may be argued that a means of having sex outside marriage is thus institutionalized in relation to other social needs.

As for the sexual activity of Nigerian women as opposed to Nigerian men,  you hold that " Mr. Adepoju wrote in general terms about dating sites 'where people can go to get their rocks off' instead of writing where men can go since it is always men who are afflicted with unquenchable thirst for sex",

​ ​

while ​

I referred to the needs of both men and women, a point I  hereby exemplifywith specific reference to Nigeria

​.

​

​

​Ray Ekpu's 21 December 2015 essay,  "Feminine Capital, Masculine Interest", ​contextualizes superbly the business of male prostitution catering to women in Nigeria. "Kaduna’s Obalende Where Women Scramble for Male Prostitutes" describes the place in its title as one where "boys neatly dressed could be seen parading the area in anticipation of lady toasters who normally drive in big cars to pick such boys to hidden destinations after agreeing on [a]  fee", one of the male prostitutes stating " “rich and healthy women from all religions and social strata patronise us under strict confidentiality”, while Facebook has a number of groups and pages dedicated to linking sugar mummies, monied older women, with younger men  who will provide the women with sexual services in return for upkeep,  an arrangement a Lagos Uber driver recently told me he enjoyed over a period of time with some of his female customers who initiated the arrangement.

 Dating Sites as Enablers of Creative Sexual Freedom

On the notion of  dating  sites seen as  locations where sexual carnivores come to prey, note that a dating site is not equivalent to a sex selling site. A dating site is an online environment where people converge to seek mutual satisfaction without treating the interaction with one's partners as an economic transaction.

The best free example of such known to me so far, since most dating sites are paying sites where people  pay to the site owner to use the site, was the personals  section of Gumtree, which had the added advantage of being part of a larger site that caters to a broad range of needs, from people wishing to give things away for free to people selling books and other goods and services, although the selling of sex was not allowed. The personals section involved various kinds of interpersonal interactions, from people seeking friends to people seeking emotional relationships.

What might be a more impactful example of such a free general needs site with a personal section, with particular reference to its influence in the US, although its reach is largely global, is Craiglist, the personals section of which demonstrates a flexibility responsive to the scope  of human interactions,  ranging from Men Seeking Women, to Women Seeking Men, to Men Seeking Men, to Women Seeking Women, to Casual Encounters, and those simply seeking friendship and others seeking something more intimate.

Sex from Procreation to Pleasure and Beyond

As for the notion that the only valid role of sex is for procreation, therefore invalidating any suggestion that people in marriage need sex  beyond procreative needs and those outside marriage need access to  contexts where sexual and amorous needs can be satisfied with maximum satisfaction for all parties without the responsibilities of child bearing coming into the picture, one needs to note that marriages do not always last the lifetime of the parties involved and that the employment of polygamy as a solution to maximize the number of those who are marred is problematic on account of the conflicts that often attend polygamy , the oppression of women that it often involves and in this age, the economic challenges it generates.

Along with those social issues is that of  the sensorial, mental and emotional intensity and complexity of sex and the amorous framework within which it is embedded, of which the conceiving of children, though an ultimate expression of creativity,  is an expression but not a subsummation.

Sex, from masturbation to interpersonal sex,  enables some of the most intense sensation of which a human being is capable,actualizing a sense of enhanced life, even if, at times,  for only relatively brief periods.  Fulfilling interpersonal sex, outside and within marriage but particularly so in committed relationships,  is vital in creating a sense of trans-personal value within the psychological and physical isolation that is the price human beings pay for the protective and nurturing privacy enabled by individuality.

 This sensorial and psychological enablement  is of such force that it motivates some of the most striking human behavior, both creative and destructive, exemplified by its shaping of the lives of various historic figures, from before Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony with Cleopatra to Bill Clinton, among others.

 A remarkable evocation of the enhancement of  of life force  enabled by sex is 11th century Indian thinker Abhinavagupta's lines in his Tantraloka, Light on the Tantras, where  the most intense heterosexual union  is celebrated in terms of ecstatic ritual, in the following question and answer rhythm  translated in Lilian Silburn's Kundalini: Energy of the Depths ( SUNY Press : Albany, NY, 1988)184-185, complemented in the quote below by John Dupuche's translation of the same lines in Abhinavagupta: The Kula Ritual as Elaborated in Chapter 29 of the Tantraloka (Delhi: Motilal Barnsidass, 2006, 256), the last stanza of which I have reworked to suggest the meanings of the metaphysical terms employed there in both translations:

                           "What is it that should be worshipped?
                            Women are worshipped.

                           Who is the worshipper?
                           Man is the worshipper.

                            Who invokes the deity?
                            Their mutual love.

                             Which flower is offered?
                            The scratches made by the nails.

                             What are the incense and oblation?
                              Embraces and caresses.

                              What is the mantra? [sacred sounds believed to invoke divine powers in the self and divine presences in 
                               the cosmos]
                              The beloved's flow of words.

                               What is the recitation?
                               The pleasure of the lips.

                                What is the sacrificial pit? [ I expect this is the space where the sacrificial items are placed in to be
                                consumed by fire]
                                The womb.

                                 What is the stick? [ this might be a flaming stick used in setting fire to  the sacrificial items]

                                 The linga [ a technical Sanskrit term for the penis as an expression of a cosmic principle, like the yoni,  the
                                combination of female genitilia and the womb, also known in the same ideational context as an expression
                                 of a cosmic principle complementary to that represented by the linga]

                                 What is the fire?
                                 The clitoris [ Dupuche] the sprout in the womb [Silburn].

                                 What is the sacred butter? [possibly applied to the sacrificial items to increase their combustibility]
                                 The sperm.

                                  What is, O Master of the Gods, the samadhi? [ an elevated state of consciousness in which the material
                                   universe is subsumed and transcended in a penetration to its transcendent generative core]

                                  And Shiva answers: Sound, touch, savor and odor, emerging through and converging in the  flow of bliss,
                                  concentrate the universe in the self,  making one with Shiva [Shiva is deity, an originating and immanent
                                  presence  understood to embody and   transcend the cosmos ]

                             

Abhinavagupta is referring to a kind of sex better known as love making but also realizable, to a degree, in  more basic contexts. He projects a sexual culture combining discipline and surrender,   self awareness and sensual immersion,  mutuality of pleasuring rather than self absorbed sensuality, an ideal that people gain much from in interpersonal and psychological and physical well being from pursuing. 

Abhinavagupta's erotic mysticism, a characterization reflected in Kerry Martin Skora's "Abhinavagupta's Erotic Mysticism: The Reconciliation of Spirit and Flesh" ( International Journal of Hindu Studies, Vol.11, No.1, 2007, 63-88), belongs to a tradition in which the erotic, in general, and the masculine/feminine dialectic   in particular, is understood to constitute or to evoke or both, the rhythm of cosmic being and becoming, an idea concretised in personal terms by  Abhivagupta's opening of Tantraloka and some other works with a celebration of the passion that united his father and mother,  an emotional force and its physical expression bringing him, their child, into existence as an embodiment of the pulse that moves the cosmos, as I have understood those magnificent lines of stanza 1 as  interpreted by Jaideva Singh in his translation of Abhinvagupta's Paratrisika Vivarana: The Secret of Tantric Mysticism ( Delhi: Motilal Barnsidass, 2011, 1-3), by Bettina Baumer in Abhinavagupta's Hermeneutics of the Absolute: Annuttaraprakriya: An Interpretation of the Paratrisika Vivarana ( New Delhi and Shimla: Indian Institute of Advanced Study and D.K. Printworld, 2011, 43-50) in Gautam Chatterjee's pithy explanation in vol. one of his  Sri Tantraloka :Text with English Translation, from Mark Dyczkowski's translation of chapter 1 of the Tantraloka and the  exhaustively analysis by Alexis Sanderson in  " A Commentary on the Opening Verses of the Tantrasara of Abhinavagupta".

Bringing these ideas closer to the everyday context of human experience, away from but still linked to the Tantric ritual context in which they may be seen as an ideal aspiration, I correlate  people's accounts of sexual experience with Abhinavagupta's conceptions, as in "Abhinavagupta, Ijeoma Diamond and the Metaphysics and Spirituality of Erotic Sound",

discussing the sounds people make during sex.

Sex as Art in Relation to Virginity

Sex is best understood as an art that requires skill. In the light of this understanding, I am doubtful about the ultimate value of arguments for virginity.

Challenges of Sex in Marriage

As for the man who claimed he has it with his wife all the time, that is most certainly a fiction meant to boost an already humbled ego, if not, why try to redmail a student into sex in order to raise her grades, and insisting on multiple acts, day after day, that libidinal instinct blinding him to the red flags in that conversation. Marriage, ironically, might, in  a good no of cases and for  various  reasons,  seem to be   one of the more problematic spaces for sex, on account of contradictory relationships between marital stability and sexual excitement,  a delicate situation many people across the world need to learn to manage so as to maximize the strategic value of the marriage bond, as suggested, among other sources,  by Karin Jones' "What Sleeping With Married Men Taught Me About Infidelity. " 

 

On 14 April 2018 at 21:48, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Not everything done in Europe and America is good and not everything done in Nigeria (Africa) is bad. The problem with Africa, especially Nigeria, is that we copy bad things from Europe and America while retaining bad and abandoning the good things we do in our culture. Nigeria used to be an agrarian society with regulated family structure before it was unfortunately colonized. As a result, present day Nigeria is neither industrialized nor purely agrarian. We now import junks, including alien cultures, from Europe and America such as bleaching creams, synthetic hairs, fake nails, fake eyelashes and eyebrows. During the agrarian era in Nigeria, men and women lived in chastity until they got married and where a man was polygamous, his sexual activities were restricted and limited to his wives. All available women were mated and chance for a man to engage in sexual intercourse outside marriage was nil. In that unpolluted culture, the primary purpose of sexual intercourse between a man and a woman was to procreate, since according to the social norm children were the only insurance against old-age. In case of a childless old man and woman, children of extended families (cousins, brothers, sisters and aunts) would  step in to take care of them and when dead perform the burial ceremonies. In the agrarian society of Nigeria, none of our indigenous language had words for boy-friend/girl friend but fiancé, which is known as ÌYÀWÓ ÀFÉSÓNÀ in Yoruba, meaning a wife that is yet to come home. During the agrarian era in Nigeria, virginity stood for purity and it was a thing of pride amongst wife-to-be young women. A woman who on her wedding night got deflowered by her husband used to be highly appreciated by the husband's family who would take full pack of matches, a full keg of palm-wine and the blood-stained white cloth used for the deflowering to the house of the bride's family. The deflowering depicts that the girl was well brought up. The bride's parents with shoulders high would receive the gifts and thus call for celebration. Before the perversion of marriage institution in Nigeria, our tradition did not consider it as private affairs of a man and a woman involved in the marriage That was why relatives on both sides of the couples-to-be in a marriage and the entire community were also engaged in the process. In case a woman and a man met and desired to be husband and wife, the man in particular would tell his parents who in turn would contact the parents of the woman. In the Yoruba part of Nigeria, what is known as ALÁRINÀ, meaning match makers or intermediaries, would be set up. The duty of the ALÁRINÀ is to ascertain the ability of the man to keep a family and to verify the likelihood of the woman to be a good wife, in addition to verifying that the couples-to-be are both from good families. 

Prior to the end of the first world war, there was no word for concubine in any of Nigerian languages and sexual intercourse was not a recreation exercise for men but a means to procreate. All available women are married even though it led to polygamy in some cases because of the traditional belief that no woman should artificially be denied the right to give birth to children. Nigerians who returned home after World War 1 and their British masters introduced the culture of concubine, which the Yoruba named ÀLÈ, into Nigeria. Thus, a child given birth to by a woman with no identifiable father as the husband of the woman is called OMÓ ÀLÈ in Yoruba, meaning a bastard. Words such as prostitute, harlot and whore had no equivalents in any Nigerian language until after World War 1, when it was socially known that a woman could engage in sex with men in exchange for money from returning soldiers. Such a woman is called in Yoruba language ASÉWÓ and both the man and  the woman who are engaged in money for sex are characterized in Yoruba as committing either PÁNSÁGÀ or ÀGBÈRÈ, meaning adultery or fornication.

The cultural degeneration of Nigeria has since been accelerated by the western civilised Nigerian elites promoting half-nakedness in the name of fashion and near nudity in the name of modelling and beauty pageant. The culture of obscenity and pornography is now in vogue. The rate at which ladies (girls) go about exposing their boobs, thighs and navels, nowadays, is quite alarming. Boys are now brought up to regard their sexual organ as ferrous metal that will oxidise if not used regularly. Under the pretence of combatting the spread of HIV/AIDS western civilised Nigerian elites now import over 400 million packets of condoms into Nigeria. I remember after Nigeria's independence in the 60s that Nigerians who returned to Nigeria to take over from the British administrators came with packets of Durex condoms which they intended to use on their Nigerian wives for the purpose of avoiding pregnancy. Nigerian women of that time refused to be used as masturbating machines by their Johnny Just Come from London husbands, telling them that the best way to avoid unwanted pregnancy was abstinence. In Europe and America, sex is attributed with the same importance as water, air and food to the life of human beings. Whereas one can die of dehydration, asphyxiation or hunger, no human has ever been reported to have died of sex starvation. Sexual intercourse is not a must for any human being except when there is desire to procreate. But it would appear as if Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju dissociates himself from this incontrovertible truth. 

Thus, on a Professor allegedly demanding sex in exchange for a pass grade from a female student, Mr.Adepoju wrote, "While recognizing the evil represented by the man's behaviour, I would like to contribute another angle - my suspicion that Nigeria needs serious dating sites where people can go to get their rocks off rather than molesting students, for example." Mr. Adepoju wrote in general term about dating sites 'where people can go to get their rocks off' instead of writing where men can go since it is always men who are afflicted with unquenchable thirst for sex. If such dating sites should be instituted in Nigeria, would Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju approve  his sisters or daughters to be engaged as hostesses there so that men who are sexual carnivores can come and prey on them to satisfy their unlimited sexual appetite? Beside that, had Mr. Adepoju read through the whole transcript of the alleged recorded telephone conversation between the female student and the male professor, he would have discovered that the Professor was not suffering from sexual starvation. Let's look at the relevant portion of the alleged  recorded telephone conversation.

Student: Is it every time that someone will be doing (sex) with the boyfriend? Is it every time you do it (sex) with your wife?

Lecturer: Yes.

Student: It is a lie, not possible. So what's the plan now? 

Answering the female student's question, the lecturer admitted having sexual intercourse with his wife every time and as such he was not suffering from sexual hunger when he tried to coerce the female student into sex with him.

However, in this age of Nollywood, it cannot be ruled out that the voice purported to be that of Professor Richard Akindele in the recorded telephone conversation does not belong to an Actor imitating the voice of the Professor from another telephone. I await eagerly to know that the call log on the female student's telephone will confirm that she actually dialled the telephone numbers of Professor Akindele at that particular given time and date. May it also be confirmed from Professor Akindele's telephone that he received the call from the female student. My skepticism on the authenticity of the voice of the professor is based on the beginning of the conversation initiated by the student with the Professor and his response.

Student: Hello Sir, Professor Akindele, yesterday you said something but because I was close to my boyfriend I could not say anything. You said you've submitted it. 

Lecturer: I gave you an opportunity and you missed it. Forget about it. You will do it next year.

Student: I was calling to confirm whether you were serious about it. 

In the above conversations, the student confirmed that she had been told by the Professor that 'he had submitted it' and which understandably meant that her exam result had been submitted to the appropriate quarter in the OAU. The lecturer talked further about giving opportunity to the female student which she missed and causing him to tell her to forget about it implying that it was no longer possible to do anything about the exam result he had submitted to the appropriate instance within the University; and he ended by saying, "You will do it (understandably the same exam) next year." No Professor worthy of his title would have continued conversation of sex with the female student as the transcript shows when he had already foreclosed any chance of helping her transform a fail to a pass grade this year. In reasoning like this, I have assumed that the Professor is a normal person but as in many other things in our mother land, nothing is normal in Nigeria where for instance the Senate President is standing trial for false declaration of assets and while the trial is ongoing, the Panama Papers revealed  that he has undeclared assets off-shores contrary to Nigerian laws, but the criminal is presiding over the Senate and making laws for Nigerians to obey.

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Not everything done in Europe and America is good and not everything done in Nigeria (Africa) is bad. The problem with Africa, especially Nigeria, is that we copy bad things from Europe and America while retaining bad and abandoning the good things we do in our culture. Nigeria used to be an agrarian society with regulated family structure before it was unfortunately colonized. As a result, present day Nigeria is neither industrialized nor purely agrarian. We now import junks, including alien cultures, from Europe and America such as bleaching creams, synthetic hairs, fake nails, fake eyelashes and eyebrows. During the agrarian era in Nigeria, men and women lived in chastity until they got married and where a man was polygamous, his sexual activities were restricted and limited to his wives. All available women were mated and chance for a man to engage in sexual intercourse outside marriage was nil. In that unpolluted culture, the primary purpose of sexual intercourse between a man and a woman was to procreate, since according to the social norm children were the only insurance against old-age. In case of a childless old man and woman, children of extended families (cousins, brothers, sisters and aunts) would  step in to take care of them and when dead perform the burial ceremonies. In the agrarian society of Nigeria, none of our indigenous language had words for boy-friend/girl friend but fiancé, which is known as ÌYÀWÓ ÀFÉSÓNÀ in Yoruba, meaning a wife that is yet to come home. During the agrarian era in Nigeria, virginity stood for purity and it was a thing of pride amongst wife-to-be young women. A woman who on her wedding night got deflowered by her husband used to be highly appreciated by the husband's family who would take full pack of matches, a full keg of palm-wine and the blood-stained white cloth used for the deflowering to the house of the bride's family. The deflowering depicts that the girl was well brought up. The bride's parents with shoulders high would receive the gifts and thus call for celebration. Before the perversion of marriage institution in Nigeria, our tradition did not consider it as private affairs of a man and a woman involved in the marriage That was why relatives on both sides of the couples-to-be in a marriage and the entire community were also engaged in the process. In case a woman and a man met and desired to be husband and wife, the man in particular would tell his parents who in turn would contact the parents of the woman. In the Yoruba part of Nigeria, what is known as ALÁRINÀ, meaning match makers or intermediaries, would be set up. The duty of the ALÁRINÀ is to ascertain the ability of the man to keep a family and to verify the likelihood of the woman to be a good wife, in addition to verifying that the couples-to-be are both from good families. 

Prior to the end of the first world war, there was no word for concubine in any of Nigerian languages and sexual intercourse was not a recreation exercise for men but a means to procreate. All available women are married even though it led to polygamy in some cases because of the traditional belief that no woman should artificially be denied the right to give birth to children. Nigerians who returned home after World War 1 and their British masters introduced the culture of concubine, which the Yoruba named ÀLÈ, into Nigeria. Thus, a child given birth to by a woman with no identifiable father as the husband of the woman is called OMÓ ÀLÈ in Yoruba, meaning a bastard. Words such as prostitute, harlot and whore had no equivalents in any Nigerian language until after World War 1, when it was socially known that a woman could engage in sex with men in exchange for money from returning soldiers. Such a woman is called in Yoruba language ASÉWÓ and both the man and  the woman who are engaged in money for sex are characterized in Yoruba as committing either PÁNSÁGÀ or ÀGBÈRÈ, meaning adultery or fornication.

The cultural degeneration of Nigeria has since been accelerated by the western civilised Nigerian elites promoting half-nakedness in the name of fashion and near nudity in the name of modelling and beauty pageant. The culture of obscenity and pornography is now in vogue. The rate at which ladies (girls) go about exposing their boobs, thighs and navels, nowadays, is quite alarming. Boys are now brought up to regard their sexual organ as ferrous metal that will oxidise if not used regularly. Under the pretence of combatting the spread of HIV/AIDS western civilised Nigerian elites now import over 400 million packets of condoms into Nigeria. I remember after Nigeria's independence in the 60s that Nigerians who returned to Nigeria to take over from the British administrators came with packets of Durex condoms which they intended to use on their Nigerian wives for the purpose of avoiding pregnancy. Nigerian women of that time refused to be used as masturbating machines by their Johnny Just Come from London husbands, telling them that the best way to avoid unwanted pregnancy was abstinence. In Europe and America, sex is attributed with the same importance as water, air and food to the life of human beings. Whereas one can die of dehydration, asphyxiation or hunger, no human has ever been reported to have died of sex starvation. Sexual intercourse is not a must for any human being except when there is desire to procreate. But it would appear as if Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju dissociates himself from this incontrovertible truth. 

Thus, on a Professor allegedly demanding sex in exchange for a pass grade from a female student, Mr.Adepoju wrote, "While recognizing the evil represented by the man's behaviour, I would like to contribute another angle - my suspicion that Nigeria needs serious dating sites where people can go to get their rocks off rather than molesting students, for example." Mr. Adepoju wrote in general term about dating sites 'where people can go to get their rocks off' instead of writing where men can go since it is always men who are afflicted with unquenchable thirst for sex. If such dating sites should be instituted in Nigeria, would Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju approve  his sisters or daughters to be engaged as hostesses there so that men who are sexual carnivores can come and prey on them to satisfy their unlimited sexual appetite? Beside that, had Mr. Adepoju read through the whole transcript of the alleged recorded telephone conversation between the female student and the male professor, he would have discovered that the Professor was not suffering from sexual starvation. Let's look at the relevant portion of the alleged  recorded telephone conversation.

Student: Is it every time that someone will be doing (sex) with the boyfriend? Is it every time you do it (sex) with your wife?

Lecturer: Yes.

Student: It is a lie, not possible. So what's the plan now? 

Answering the female student's question, the lecturer admitted having sexual intercourse with his wife every time and as such he was not suffering from sexual hunger when he tried to coerce the female student into sex with him.

However, in this age of Nollywood, it cannot be ruled out that the voice purported to be that of Professor Richard Akindele in the recorded telephone conversation does not belong to an Actor imitating the voice of the Professor from another telephone. I await eagerly to know that the call log on the female student's telephone will confirm that she actually dialled the telephone numbers of Professor Akindele at that particular given time and date. May it also be confirmed from Professor Akindele's telephone that he received the call from the female student. My skepticism on the authenticity of the voice of the professor is based on the beginning of the conversation initiated by the student with the Professor and his response.

Student: Hello Sir, Professor Akindele, yesterday you said something but because I was close to my boyfriend I could not say anything. You said you've submitted it. 

Lecturer: I gave you an opportunity and you missed it. Forget about it. You will do it next year.

Student: I was calling to confirm whether you were serious about it. 

In the above conversations, the student confirmed that she had been told by the Professor that 'he had submitted it' and which understandably meant that her exam result had been submitted to the appropriate quarter in the OAU. The lecturer talked further about giving opportunity to the female student which she missed and causing him to tell her to forget about it implying that it was no longer possible to do anything about the exam result he had submitted to the appropriate instance within the University; and he ended by saying, "You will do it (understandably the same exam) next year." No Professor worthy of his title would have continued conversation of sex with the female student as the transcript shows when he had already foreclosed any chance of helping her transform a fail to a pass grade this year. In reasoning like this, I have assumed that the Professor is a normal person but as in many other things in our mother land, nothing is normal in Nigeria where for instance the Senate President is standing trial for false declaration of assets and while the trial is ongoing, the Panama Papers revealed  that he has undeclared assets off-shores contrary to Nigerian laws, but the criminal is presiding over the Senate and making laws for Nigerians to obey.

S. Kadiri   

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I think you both have interesting points. Kadiris views are more localised while Toy in Adepijus views are more cosmopolitan and internationalized.  While the university is by definition a cosmopolitan environment parents have the right to expect the non abusive relationship with their wards and staff are expected to establish boundaries.  

There is also the more important issue of maintaining the integrity of the university grading system without which the university cannot be considered a bona fide university

The debate needs to be contextualized along these lines

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Not everything done in Europe and America is good and not everything done in Nigeria (Africa) is bad. The problem with Africa, especially Nigeria, is that we copy bad things from Europe and America while retaining bad and abandoning the good things we do in our culture. Nigeria used to be an agrarian society with regulated family structure before it was unfortunately colonized. As a result, present day Nigeria is neither industrialized nor purely agrarian. We now import junks, including alien cultures, from Europe and America such as bleaching creams, synthetic hairs, fake nails, fake eyelashes and eyebrows. During the agrarian era in Nigeria, men and women lived in chastity until they got married and where a man was polygamous, his sexual activities were restricted and limited to his wives. All available women were mated and chance for a man to engage in sexual intercourse outside marriage was nil. In that unpolluted culture, the primary purpose of sexual intercourse between a man and a woman was to procreate, since according to the social norm children were the only insurance against old-age. In case of a childless old man and woman, children of extended families (cousins, brothers, sisters and aunts) would  step in to take care of them and when dead perform the burial ceremonies. In the agrarian society of Nigeria, none of our indigenous language had words for boy-friend/girl friend but fiancé, which is known as ÌYÀWÓ ÀFÉSÓNÀ in Yoruba, meaning a wife that is yet to come home. During the agrarian era in Nigeria, virginity stood for purity and it was a thing of pride amongst wife-to-be young women. A woman who on her wedding night got deflowered by her husband used to be highly appreciated by the husband's family who would take full pack of matches, a full keg of palm-wine and the blood-stained white cloth used for the deflowering to the house of the bride's family. The deflowering depicts that the girl was well brought up. The bride's parents with shoulders high would receive the gifts and thus call for celebration. Before the perversion of marriage institution in Nigeria, our tradition did not consider it as private affairs of a man and a woman involved in the marriage That was why relatives on both sides of the couples-to-be in a marriage and the entire community were also engaged in the process. In case a woman and a man met and desired to be husband and wife, the man in particular would tell his parents who in turn would contact the parents of the woman. In the Yoruba part of Nigeria, what is known as ALÁRINÀ, meaning match makers or intermediaries, would be set up. The duty of the ALÁRINÀ is to ascertain the ability of the man to keep a family and to verify the likelihood of the woman to be a good wife, in addition to verifying that the couples-to-be are both from good families. 

Prior to the end of the first world war, there was no word for concubine in any of Nigerian languages and sexual intercourse was not a recreation exercise for men but a means to procreate. All available women are married even though it led to polygamy in some cases because of the traditional belief that no woman should artificially be denied the right to give birth to children. Nigerians who returned home after World War 1 and their British masters introduced the culture of concubine, which the Yoruba named ÀLÈ, into Nigeria. Thus, a child given birth to by a woman with no identifiable father as the husband of the woman is called OMÓ ÀLÈ in Yoruba, meaning a bastard. Words such as prostitute, harlot and whore had no equivalents in any Nigerian language until after World War 1, when it was socially known that a woman could engage in sex with men in exchange for money from returning soldiers. Such a woman is called in Yoruba language ASÉWÓ and both the man and  the woman who are engaged in money for sex are characterized in Yoruba as committing either PÁNSÁGÀ or ÀGBÈRÈ, meaning adultery or fornication.

The cultural degeneration of Nigeria has since been accelerated by the western civilised Nigerian elites promoting half-nakedness in the name of fashion and near nudity in the name of modelling and beauty pageant. The culture of obscenity and pornography is now in vogue. The rate at which ladies (girls) go about exposing their boobs, thighs and navels, nowadays, is quite alarming. Boys are now brought up to regard their sexual organ as ferrous metal that will oxidise if not used regularly. Under the pretence of combatting the spread of HIV/AIDS western civilised Nigerian elites now import over 400 million packets of condoms into Nigeria. I remember after Nigeria's independence in the 60s that Nigerians who returned to Nigeria to take over from the British administrators came with packets of Durex condoms which they intended to use on their Nigerian wives for the purpose of avoiding pregnancy. Nigerian women of that time refused to be used as masturbating machines by their Johnny Just Come from London husbands, telling them that the best way to avoid unwanted pregnancy was abstinence. In Europe and America, sex is attributed with the same importance as water, air and food to the life of human beings. Whereas one can die of dehydration, asphyxiation or hunger, no human has ever been reported to have died of sex starvation. Sexual intercourse is not a must for any human being except when there is desire to procreate. But it would appear as if Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju dissociates himself from this incontrovertible truth. 

Thus, on a Professor allegedly demanding sex in exchange for a pass grade from a female student, Mr.Adepoju wrote, "While recognizing the evil represented by the man's behaviour, I would like to contribute another angle - my suspicion that Nigeria needs serious dating sites where people can go to get their rocks off rather than molesting students, for example." Mr. Adepoju wrote in general term about dating sites 'where people can go to get their rocks off' instead of writing where men can go since it is always men who are afflicted with unquenchable thirst for sex. If such dating sites should be instituted in Nigeria, would Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju approve  his sisters or daughters to be engaged as hostesses there so that men who are sexual carnivores can come and prey on them to satisfy their unlimited sexual appetite? Beside that, had Mr. Adepoju read through the whole transcript of the alleged recorded telephone conversation between the female student and the male professor, he would have discovered that the Professor was not suffering from sexual starvation. Let's look at the relevant portion of the alleged  recorded telephone conversation.

Student: Is it every time that someone will be doing (sex) with the boyfriend? Is it every time you do it (sex) with your wife?

Lecturer: Yes.

Student: It is a lie, not possible. So what's the plan now? 

Answering the female student's question, the lecturer admitted having sexual intercourse with his wife every time and as such he was not suffering from sexual hunger when he tried to coerce the female student into sex with him.

However, in this age of Nollywood, it cannot be ruled out that the voice purported to be that of Professor Richard Akindele in the recorded telephone conversation does not belong to an Actor imitating the voice of the Professor from another telephone. I await eagerly to know that the call log on the female student's telephone will confirm that she actually dialled the telephone numbers of Professor Akindele at that particular given time and date. May it also be confirmed from Professor Akindele's telephone that he received the call from the female student. My skepticism on the authenticity of the voice of the professor is based on the beginning of the conversation initiated by the student with the Professor and his response.

Student: Hello Sir, Professor Akindele, yesterday you said something but because I was close to my boyfriend I could not say anything. You said you've submitted it. 

Lecturer: I gave you an opportunity and you missed it. Forget about it. You will do it next year.

Student: I was calling to confirm whether you were serious about it. 

In the above conversations, the student confirmed that she had been told by the Professor that 'he had submitted it' and which understandably meant that her exam result had been submitted to the appropriate quarter in the OAU. The lecturer talked further about giving opportunity to the female student which she missed and causing him to tell her to forget about it implying that it was no longer possible to do anything about the exam result he had submitted to the appropriate instance within the University; and he ended by saying, "You will do it (understandably the same exam) next year." No Professor worthy of his title would have continued conversation of sex with the female student as the transcript shows when he had already foreclosed any chance of helping her transform a fail to a pass grade this year. In reasoning like this, I have assumed that the Professor is a normal person but as in many other things in our mother land, nothing is normal in Nigeria where for instance the Senate President is standing trial for false declaration of assets and while the trial is ongoing, the Panama Papers revealed  that he has undeclared assets off-shores contrary to Nigerian laws, but the criminal is presiding over the Senate and making laws for Nigerians to obey.

S. Kadiri   

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Thanks.

I had begun to wonder about the relevance of my observations to the discussion.

toyin

[Mobolaji Aluko]

Ken:

1.  There is the need to protect students - or the student in question - both from shame and further victimization over a given incident.  Anonymity can only be assured if the student is given free hand to choose a third party that he or she is confident in, and is legally bound to protect that anonymity.  The student need not be made to confront the professor,  but if adjustments in grades have to be done if victimization has already occurred, the student's Identity will eventually have to be known to a limited number of people.

2.  There is need to protect the professors/staff from blackmail - false accusation, or a legitimate mutual interest (or love triangle) gone awry, for example.   Spewing names all over the social media of unconfirmed allegations does not help the matter.  That is why a strong prima facie case must first be made against the professor, with the certified anonymous cooperation of the alleging student, before an internal investigation should  commence.

3.  The University must be protected - both its reputation as a citsdel of learning where grades are properly earned, and for being in loco parentis of students.  It must also protect itself from litigation -  from students if it does nothing to properly protect them from predators, and from staff, if they are gratuitously accused and/or blackmailed without due process.

I believe that if students, staff and the University are given severe sanction / taught a bitter lesson where they are found guilty of blackmail, sexual harrassment/assault or dereliction,   the problem at hand will be diminished.  If students know that they will be protected, staff know that once accused, a fair process will be initiated - but that the mere accusation is serious in itself - and if university policy of zero tolerance is clear, the problem at hand will be diminished.

By the way, OAU, as the University of Ife - is not only my alma mater but my home. So one is involved.  It has had its share of sexual harrassment cases in the past, including in the late 70d/early 80s when several lecturers were dismissed, only to be hired by other universities!  Such lateral movement should never be permitted again.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

On Wednesday, April 11, 2018, Kenneth Harrow <har...@msu.edu> wrote:

Moses, what of all those stories that circulated concerning blackmailing of profs? If name and shame is the only recourse, wouldn’t that also be a factor to consider?

ken

 

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Makes good sense, what you write bolaji. There is another factor, which in fact is required for the ones you mention to have a chance to work, which is the general moral climate. People must be convinced by more than the threat of punishment, but by an acceptance of the moral code that condemns abusive behaviour.

How one arrives at that point, where there would be general condemnation for a prof forcing a student to sleep with him, or her, for a grade, I don’t know. all the needs you cite can only be filled when people accept as a norm that such behaviour is unacceptable. I wonder if that moral code is changing?

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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - OAU Professor Caught on Tape Soliciting Sex from Student

 

 

 

Ken:

 

1.  There is the need to protect students - or the student in question - both from shame and further victimization over a given incident.  Anonymity can only be assured if the student is given free hand to choose a third party that he or she is confident in, and is legally bound to protect that anonymity.  The student need not be made to confront the professor,  but if adjustments in grades have to be done if victimization has already occurred, the student's Identity will eventually have to be known to a limited number of people.

 

2.  There is need to protect the professors/staff from blackmail - false accusation, or a legitimate mutual interest (or love triangle) gone awry, for example.   Spewing names all over the social media of unconfirmed allegations does not help the matter.  That is why a strong prima facie case must first be made against the professor, with the certified anonymous cooperation of the alleging student, before an internal investigation should  commence.

 

3.  The University must be protected - both its reputation as a citsdel of learning where grades are properly earned, and for being in loco parentis of students.  It must also protect itself from litigation -  from students if it does nothing to properly protect them from predators, and from staff, if they are gratuitously accused and/or blackmailed without due process.

 

I believe that if students, staff and the University are given severe sanction / taught a bitter lesson where they are found guilty of blackmail, sexual harrassment/assault or dereliction,   the problem at hand will be diminished.  If students know that they will be protected, staff know that once accused, a fair process will be initiated - but that the mere accusation is serious in itself - and if university policy of zero tolerance is clear, the problem at hand will be diminished.

 

By the way, OAU, as the University of Ife - is not only my alma mater but my home. So one is involved.  It has had its share of sexual harrassment cases in the past, including in the late 70d/early 80s when several lecturers were dismissed, only to be hired by other universities!  Such lateral movement should never be permitted again.

 

And there you have it.

 

 

Bolaji Aluko

 

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Moses, what of all those stories that circulated concerning blackmailing of profs? If name and shame is the only recourse, wouldn’t that also be a factor to consider?

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There's an abundance of dating sites (Google it) and the social media landscape is well marked by groups dedicated and catering to all manners of sexual orientations, fantasies and fetishes. Add to that the science students who are readily available in pubs, lounges and hotels. Trust me, sexual harrassment and molestation is what it is- harrassment and molestation. 

It is not the dearth of willing sexual partners that impel predators. It is opportunity and balance of power.

Within the scope of the evidence that we have heard, one understands that the prof identified an opportunity and because he was in a position of power to demand or grab that opportunity, he did. He demanded for 5 instalments. 

Sexual harassment continues unhindered because our institutions are almost dismissive of allegations. Lecturers circle the wagon at the hint of a suggestion of harassment. For the victims: I doubt if any of our institutions have laid down procedures for reporting sexual harassment, assault and molestation. How protective of the victims are these guidelines? Former VC Mobolaji Aluko may want to help us here.

What about our society. Our culture. Boys who rape are protected by parents who offer appeasement to victim's family. Ladies are randomly groped, when they complain, they are shamed for their dressing or shape. 

Ha nkan to fi se aya yi poo!

O the abundance of your bosom.

Boys grow up to be men and where they see opportunity to exploit female employees, colleagues, choristers, students and ward, they take it. Its the balance of power and a permissive society that aids both virile and decrepit predators in their hunt for powerless prey.

The victim here is the student. She was smart enough to record the conversation but rather than applaud her, many are putting a new spin to the whole shebang. Someone said its because the prof demanded 5 installments of sexual encounters that made her decline. Some said she initiated the sex for marks arrangement. She's been called shameless asewo and so on.

I have been at the end of a different kind of sexual harassment. In the 90s, the heady days of student cultism. I was in a notorious institution in Ilorin. Killings happen every other day. Yet a lecturer, in these case my HOD refused to approve of any of my submissions for final year Project as we called it then. I asked to be transferred to another supervisor, he refused. Project defence was approaching and I was stuck at chapter one. Almost at my wits end. His grouse with me was a girl. My girlfriend. A classmate. She told me he had been "toasting" her before I even asked her out.

I had no one to report to. I couldn't tell my parents that I was having issues with my HOD because of a girl. The horror of having my dad shake his head in disappointment, telling my mum

 "so ri omo e"

At the end of my wit I had an inspiration. With a little bit of Sherlock Holmesy, I discovered his children's school. On a Monday afternoon, lecturer supervisor came to pick his kids in school and there I was with 2 other friends trying our best not to look menacing to his 2 kids. He got the message though no threat was issued. As we handed over the kids who were reluctant to leave us jolly uncles, he told me to see him the next day. And thus I graduated and had an A, largely unmerited in my project grading.

I saw and had ice water with him like 10 years ago during one of my Christmas trips to Ilorin. He recognized me and told me he learnt a special lesson that day. He said and I quote him " mo ranti pe emina bimo"

" I remembered that I've got kids too"

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What a story-

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At the end of my wit I had an inspiration. With a little bit of Sherlock Holmesy, I discovered his children's school. On a Monday afternoon, lecturer supervisor came to pick his kids in school and there I was with 2 other friends trying our best not to look menacing to his 2 kids. He got the message though no threat was issued. As we handed over the kids who were reluctant to leave us jolly uncles, he told me to see him the next day. And thus I graduated and had an A, largely unmerited in my project grading.

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" I remembered that I've got kids too"

I told him we were quite harmless. We were only pretend cultists.

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Ken:

In my Matriculation addresses and discussions in Otuoke Senate, in pushing the "in loco parentis" notion, I often asked whether it was not academic incest to sleep with your students - whether consensual or not - and whether they would like professors in other universities to sleep with their daughters in order to get grades.

 

I don't think the issue had been put in such stark terms before.

No, no new moral code is necessary.  What is not good is not good.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

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Makes good sense, what you write bolaji. There is another factor, which in fact is required for the ones you mention to have a chance to work, which is the general moral climate. People must be convinced by more than the threat of punishment, but by an acceptance of the moral code that condemns abusive behaviour.

How one arrives at that point, where there would be general condemnation for a prof forcing a student to sleep with him, or her, for a grade, I don’t know. all the needs you cite can only be filled when people accept as a norm that such behaviour is unacceptable. I wonder if that moral code is changing?

ken

 

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http://www.english.msu.edu/people/faculty/kenneth-harrow/

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Ken:

 

1.  There is the need to protect students - or the student in question - both from shame and further victimization over a given incident.  Anonymity can only be assured if the student is given free hand to choose a third party that he or she is confident in, and is legally bound to protect that anonymity.  The student need not be made to confront the professor,  but if adjustments in grades have to be done if victimization has already occurred, the student's Identity will eventually have to be known to a limited number of people.

 

2.  There is need to protect the professors/staff from blackmail - false accusation, or a legitimate mutual interest (or love triangle) gone awry, for example.   Spewing names all over the social media of unconfirmed allegations does not help the matter.  That is why a strong prima facie case must first be made against the professor, with the certified anonymous cooperation of the alleging student, before an internal investigation should  commence.

 

3.  The University must be protected - both its reputation as a citsdel of learning where grades are properly earned, and for being in loco parentis of students.  It must also protect itself from litigation -  from students if it does nothing to properly protect them from predators, and from staff, if they are gratuitously accused and/or blackmailed without due process.

 

I believe that if students, staff and the University are given severe sanction / taught a bitter lesson where they are found guilty of blackmail, sexual harrassment/assault or dereliction,   the problem at hand will be diminished.  If students know that they will be protected, staff know that once accused, a fair process will be initiated - but that the mere accusation is serious in itself - and if university policy of zero tolerance is clear, the problem at hand will be diminished.

 

By the way, OAU, as the University of Ife - is not only my alma mater but my home. So one is involved.  It has had its share of sexual harrassment cases in the past, including in the late 70d/early 80s when several lecturers were dismissed, only to be hired by other universities!  Such lateral movement should never be permitted again.

 

And there you have it.

 

 

Bolaji Aluko

 

On Wednesday, April 11, 2018, Kenneth Harrow <har...@msu.edu> wrote:

Moses, what of all those stories that circulated concerning blackmailing of profs? If name and shame is the only recourse, wouldn’t that also be a factor to consider?

ken

 

Kenneth Harrow

Dept of English and Film Studies

Michigan State University

619 Red Cedar Rd

East Lansing, MI 48824

517-803-8839

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Very sad

toyin

 

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[Gbolahan Gbadamosi]

I have read the interesting arguments on this sexual predation case assumed to be at OAU (since the university’s name was not specifically mentioned in the audio tape that has gone viral). Much of the discussion on this forum have come from the diaspora and very little contribution from colleagues’ resident in Nigeria. I wonder why?

I have some concerns and questions I will like to raise on this shameful case. It is dangerous for me to proceed without making my position on Professor A clear. If he was the one who spoke on the phone (both my heart and head tells me he was), it is despicable and shameful in any academic environment. He is said to be a “Reverend Gentleman” which further complicates the matter because I wonder how many times he must have preached strongly against adultery and fornication.

Here are some of my concerns. First, the university’s reputation is being dragged along in this messy affair. Second, a precedence is being set on what to do if other female students experience a predator coming after them. Third, the whole concept of corruption (specifically bribery) is up for discussion here again.

University: I strongly believe every serious university should have a robust system to deal with sexual harassment through its internal machinery. I wonder if a student will come out in public domain sharing such audio recording if they could get justice within. I also wonder if the punishment for sexual harassment is strong enough in Nigerian universities. Fraud among banking staff, for example, will lead to prosecution, dismissal and clearly the individual being barred in the industry. A paedophile teacher will be dismissed, prosecuted and placed on the sexual offenders’ register. A soldier on AWOL or runaway from battle will be court-marshalled and dismissed. A university academic engaged in sexual harassment should similarly be dismissed and barred from university jobs anywhere. No ifs, no buts. As suggested by earlier contributors, cases like this is not peculiar to the particular university under the microscope and it is not new. It has, however, continued unabated because the punishment has not been strong enough to deter wannabe predators. Maybe ASUU will use this case as a springboard to demonstrate intolerance for cases like this and support the universities to develop a zero-tolerance policy going forward.

Female student: There are aspects of the telephone conversation that challenges my curious mind. The female student made the call clearly as a follow up to earlier discussion(s). The call was made with the intent of recording the conversation given that the audio started with the phone ringing. Professor A made a demand. The bargaining point was how many times would they be involved – 5 times or less. Another female student was mentioned during the discussion. Professor A suggested that the result has already been submitted. As I pondered over these, I did not quite understand how such discussion took place in the first place when results have been submitted. If you follow my suspicious mind, does it mean that such submitted results could still be altered?  What university system allows this to happen? In an ideal system, students should not know their results until it is formally approved and published. This is an important control measure. A lecturer/professor would have to leak the result to a student for any discussion around alteration to take place. It therefore becomes easier to know how results leaked and through whom? A lecturer/professor who therefore “haggles” with students over “payment terms” before results are released becomes a very easy “meat to be roasted”. Perhaps, I am being naïve here? Perhaps, I am missing some tricks around the system?

Corruption and Bribery: While we are at this, the final thing that occurs to me especially when I read elsewhere on social media where some people were calling for the first stone to be cast – whatever that means? There were statements like, “it is widespread”. Does that make it right? I just pray that is not what is meant. But I only digress, it is common practice to demand and offer bribe in Nigeria. This happens in many situations especially when people want to “beat the system”. Given the evidence before us, we can make a logical deduction that demanding and offering bribe is what is at stake in this case. The difference is that whereas it is common and generally more “acceptable” to offer and receive money, Professor A is demanding sex – not money. If the outrage, I have noticed on the social space regarding this case under discussion is the outrage often expressed by the generality of Nigerians when money changes hand, the country would well be on the way to eliminating corruption (or at least reducing same). Or is it the case that money is an acceptable bribe, but sex is not?

Finally, just out of curiosity, does the incidence of sexual harassment happens only with male-female relationship? Or are there sexual harassment cases that are male-male, or female-female and are these similarly dealt with?

 

Gbolahan Gbadamosi

 

[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

A mistake-

' (2). All staff want are job security and timely  promotion.  There are staff who should not be on a job or who don't deserve promotion but will do anything to satisfy their ambitions, and who will be taken advantage of by their superiors. There are staff who are simply victims of their superiors for no such reason. None of them  should not have to pay money or provide services  (sex or menial labor) to their supervisors to maintain their jobs or gain promotion. That is corrupt criminality.  (I once heard with horror of an allegation of sex for promotion against some VC.) '

Should be -

(2). All staff want are job security and timely  promotion.  There are staff who should not be on a job or who don't deserve promotion but will do anything to satisfy their ambitions, and who will be taken advantage of by their superiors. There are staff who are simply victims of their superiors for no such reason. None of them  should  have to pay money or provide services  (sex or menial labor) to their supervisors to maintain their jobs or gain promotion. That is corrupt criminality.  (I once heard with horror of an allegation of sex for promotion against some VC.)'

Emphases mine.

toyin

On 16 April 2018 at 18:24, Mobolaji Aluko <alu...@gmail.com> wrote:

GG:

The broadening of the problem in the university space  is apropos:

(1) all students want are grades and timely graduation.  Many students, male and female, do want better grades than they deserve, and would offer to do anything to get them, and are then taken advantage of.  Most victims have no such reasons.  Certainly, none of them should not have to pay money or provide services  (sex or menial labor) to their lecturers to improve their grades or facilitate graduation. That is corrupt criminality.

(2). All staff want are job security and timely  promotion.  There are staff who should not be on a job or who don't deserve promotion but will do anything to satisfy their ambitions, and who will be taken advantage of by their superiors. There are staff who are simply victims of their superiors for no such reason. None of them  should not have to pay money or provide services  (sex or menial labor) to their supervisors to maintain their jobs or gain promotion. That is corrupt criminality.  (I once heard with horror of an allegation of sex for promotion against some VC.)

So the same avenues open to victimized students  for redress must also be open to victimized staff..  That is when the health of the entire university will be whole.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

PS:. In the Incomplete system of the US, a professor can spell out within a time certain what ACADEMIC submissions  a student can make to improve his or her grade from (say) IC to B.  If the student does nothing, or the additional submission is not satisfactory, the "I" in the grade is removed, with the professor having to do nothing further.  A justification for higher grade is documented - usually submitted to the HOD - and the improved grade submitted by special slip to the Registrar.  Clearly a lecturer with too frequently Incomplete grades - and to female students only from IC to A - is asking for trouble!

[Mobolaji Aluko]

Abolaji Adekeye:

Quote

He said and I quote him " mo ranti pe emina bimo"

" I remembered that I've got kids too"

Unquote

I could not help but laugh out loudly at the shakara you did on the HOD, and the preservation of his kids that motivated him to lay off you and your girlfriend!

That is also the basis of my "in loco parentis" notion about victimized students-. Suppose this was your child being victimized elsewhere?  It can tug at the conscience of many, if not most.

At Ife, in the early 70s, I  had a similar experience as yours.  My girlfriend was being harrassed by a lecturer that taught us the same course  - and she told me about it.    I doubt if I had turned 18 then.  I walked up to him and told him to lay off my girlfriend, otherwise I would escalate.  "Ha, o ba to so fun mi...mi o mo!  You should have told me now...!"  

And he laid off her.  It was his job that was on the line, not his children, because he knew that both my parents were high ranking in the university then.

Quite a number of years after I left the university, he was one of the many  lecturers retired at Ife for "moral turpitude" - or allowed to resign - but he got a job at Unilag soon after!

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

[Mobolaji Aluko]

GG:

The broadening of the problem in the university space  is apropos:

(1) all students want are grades and timely graduation.  Many students, male and female, do want better grades than they deserve, and would offer to do anything to get them, and are then taken advantage of.  Most victims have no such reasons.  Certainly, none of them should not have to pay money or provide services  (sex or menial labor) to their lecturers to improve their grades or facilitate graduation. That is corrupt criminality.

(2). All staff want are job security and timely  promotion.  There are staff who should not be on a job or who don't deserve promotion but will do anything to satisfy their ambitions, and who will be taken advantage of by their superiors. There are staff who are simply victims of their superiors for no such reason. None of them  should not have to pay money or provide services  (sex or menial labor) to their supervisors to maintain their jobs or gain promotion. That is corrupt criminality.  (I once heard with horror of an allegation of sex for promotion against some VC.)

So the same avenues open to victimized students  for redress must also be open to victimized staff..  That is when the health of the entire university will be whole.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

PS:. In the Incomplete system of the US, a professor can spell out within a time certain what ACADEMIC submissions  a student can make to improve his or her grade from (say) IC to B.  If the student does nothing, or the additional submission is not satisfactory, the "I" in the grade is removed, with the professor having to do nothing further.  A justification for higher grade is documented - usually submitted to the HOD - and the improved grade submitted by special slip to the Registrar.  Clearly a lecturer with too frequently Incomplete grades - and to female students only from IC to A - is asking for trouble!

On Monday, April 16, 2018, Gbolahan Gbadamosi <gbola.g...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have read the interesting arguments on this sexual predation case assumed to be at OAU (since the university’s name was not specifically mentioned in the audio tape that has gone viral). Much of the discussion on this forum have come from the diaspora and very little contribution from colleagues’ resident in Nigeria. I wonder why?

I have some concerns and questions I will like to raise on this shameful case. It is dangerous for me to proceed without making my position on Professor A clear. If he was the one who spoke on the phone (both my heart and head tells me he was), it is despicable and shameful in any academic environment. He is said to be a “Reverend Gentleman” which further complicates the matter because I wonder how many times he must have preached strongly against adultery and fornication.

Here are some of my concerns. First, the university’s reputation is being dragged along in this messy affair. Second, a precedence is being set on what to do if other female students experience a predator coming after them. Third, the whole concept of corruption (specifically bribery) is up for discussion here again.

University: I strongly believe every serious university should have a robust system to deal with sexual harassment through its internal machinery. I wonder if a student will come out in public domain sharing such audio recording if they could get justice within. I also wonder if the punishment for sexual harassment is strong enough in Nigerian universities. Fraud among banking staff, for example, will lead to prosecution, dismissal and clearly the individual being barred in the industry. A paedophile teacher will be dismissed, prosecuted and placed on the sexual offenders’ register. A soldier on AWOL or runaway from battle will be court-marshalled and dismissed. A university academic engaged in sexual harassment should similarly be dismissed and barred from university jobs anywhere. No ifs, no buts. As suggested by earlier contributors, cases like this is not peculiar to the particular university under the microscope and it is not new. It has, however, continued unabated because the punishment has not been strong enough to deter wannabe predators. Maybe ASUU will use this case as a springboard to demonstrate intolerance for cases like this and support the universities to develop a zero-tolerance policy going forward.

Female student: There are aspects of the telephone conversation that challenges my curious mind. The female student made the call clearly as a follow up to earlier discussion(s). The call was made with the intent of recording the conversation given that the audio started with the phone ringing. Professor A made a demand. The bargaining point was how many times would they be involved – 5 times or less. Another female student was mentioned during the discussion. Professor A suggested that the result has already been submitted. As I pondered over these, I did not quite understand how such discussion took place in the first place when results have been submitted. If you follow my suspicious mind, does it mean that such submitted results could still be altered?  What university system allows this to happen? In an ideal system, students should not know their results until it is formally approved and published. This is an important control measure. A lecturer/professor would have to leak the result to a student for any discussion around alteration to take place. It therefore becomes easier to know how results leaked and through whom? A lecturer/professor who therefore “haggles” with students over “payment terms” before results are released becomes a very easy “meat to be roasted”. Perhaps, I am being naïve here? Perhaps, I am missing some tricks around the system?

Corruption and Bribery: While we are at this, the final thing that occurs to me especially when I read elsewhere on social media where some people were calling for the first stone to be cast – whatever that means? There were statements like, “it is widespread”. Does that make it right? I just pray that is not what is meant. But I only digress, it is common practice to demand and offer bribe in Nigeria. This happens in many situations especially when people want to “beat the system”. Given the evidence before us, we can make a logical deduction that demanding and offering bribe is what is at stake in this case. The difference is that whereas it is common and generally more “acceptable” to offer and receive money, Professor A is demanding sex – not money. If the outrage, I have noticed on the social space regarding this case under discussion is the outrage often expressed by the generality of Nigerians when money changes hand, the country would well be on the way to eliminating corruption (or at least reducing same). Or is it the case that money is an acceptable bribe, but sex is not?

Finally, just out of curiosity, does the incidence of sexual harassment happens only with male-female relationship? Or are there sexual harassment cases that are male-male, or female-female and are these similarly dealt with?

 

Gbolahan Gbadamosi

 

On 16 April 2018 at 15:56, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin....@gmail.com> wrote:

What a story-

'

At the end of my wit I had an inspiration. With a little bit of Sherlock Holmesy, I discovered his children's school. On a Monday afternoon, lecturer supervisor came to pick his kids in school and there I was with 2 other friends trying our best not to look menacing to his 2 kids. He got the message though no threat was issued. As we handed over the kids who were reluctant to leave us jolly uncles, he told me to see him the next day. And thus I graduated and had an A, largely unmerited in my project grading.

I saw and had ice water with him like 10 years ago during one of my Christmas trips to Ilorin. He recognized me and told me he learnt a special lesson that day. He said and I quote him " mo ranti pe emina bimo"

" I remembered that I've got kids too"

I told him we were quite harmless. We were only pretend cultists.

'

Jeez, so this is not a problem of sexual predation by an authority figure but one of "the eternal problem the disjuncture between sexual demand and supply." Wow!! So this is not a problem of the abuse of power and sexual harassment on the part of a superior targeting subordinate victims; rather it is a problem of the absence of outlets to release libidinal urges. And the solution is not firm, impartial punishment and deterrence regimes and arrangements but a dating website where randy, predatory university lecturers can pick up women for consensual sex. Wow, just wow!!

Now I've heard it all on this listserv.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin....@gmail.com> wrote:

Such a shame.

The eternal problem of the disjunction between sexual demand and supply.

This man is cruelly demanding  '5 times' from an unwiling student while there are women seeking the same '5 times' or more but cant find.

The university is investigating.

People are rightly expressing outrage.

The girl was creative and bold.

While recognizing the evil represented by this man's behavior, I would like to contribute another angle- my suspicion that Nigeria needs serious dating sites where people can go to get their rocks off rather than molesting students, for example.

Gumtree is a good general purpose site that  had a good section for such purposes till it was regrettably shut down.

Toyin

On 10 April 2018 at 16:00, Mobolaji Aluko <alu...@gmail.com> wrote:

My People:

One curious matter here...

Is he Professor Akindele or Professor Akinola?

Sad...

Bolaji Aluko

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018, Moses Ebe Ochonu <meoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Predictably, so far, there is radio silence from our colleagues at home, purveyors of the rhetoric of "a few bad eggs," and "the system is not as bad as you portray it." We await the disciplinary action, if any, that will be taken against this predator. On social media, those who know him say he's been preying on his students for 20 years. And he is also said to be a pastor. Go figure. Only God knows how many female students have acquiesced to his predatory demands over the years before this brave, young woman decided to record him in the act, so to speak.

One thing is for sure: Professor Richard Akindele will have many of his own colleagues (those who will vehemently argue that one is being unfair to them, the "clean" lecturers) begging on his behalf and saying that it was the devil, that he is human and bound to make a mistake, and that he has mouths to feed and so his career should be spared. These pleading lecturers will not even have the self-awareness to realize that they have become accomplices and enablers in the crime.There will of course be no consideration for this woman and Akindele's many other victims.

 

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:57 AM, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin....@gmail.com> wrote:

Very sad

toyin

[Mobolaji Aluko]

An obvious mistake properly corrected - with gratitude.

[Salimonu Kadiri]

While I am in agony about how our marriage and family institutions  in Nigeria have been polluted, perverted and destroyed by Euro-American culture, I am being told, at least tacitly and indirectly, that part of Nigeria's reward for being cosmopolitan and internationalized is prolireration of male sex addicts. I disagree with that view. Nigeria cannot claim to be internationalized on the ground of copying and emulating abnormal sexual habits from Europe and America.

The subject under discussion now is the alleged demand by a sex- addicted professor to copulate five times with a female student in exchange for a pass grade.  Therefore, I cannot see any connection between the subject matter and the fictions written by Iffy Amdiome,  Chukwuemeka Nwoko and others. Those fictions were written to make money from Euro-American audience and do not represent true and general male/female sexual relations in Africa and, especially, in Nigeria. 

S. Kadiri 

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While I am in agony about how our marriage and family institutions  in Nigeria have been polluted, perverted and destroyed by Euro-American culture, I am being told, at least tacitly and indirectly, that part of Nigeria's reward for being cosmopolitan and internationalized is prolireration of male sex addicts. I disagree with that view. Nigeria cannot claim to be internationalized on the ground of copying and emulating abnormal sexual habits from Europe and America.

The subject under discussion now is the alleged demand by a sex- addicted professor to copulate five times with a female student in exchange for a pass grade.  Therefore, I cannot see any connection between the subject matter and the fictions written by Iffy Amdiome,  Chukwuemeka Nwoko and others. Those fictions were written to make money from Euro-American audience and do not represent true and general male/female sexual relations in Africa and, especially, in Nigeria. 

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[Salimonu Kadiri]

Do you dispute the fact that some women have a verifiable spot in the North where they pick up young males as alleged? (I don't know for a fact that it exists) - O. Agbetuyi  

I underlined the words, fact and alleged to highlight the contradictions in your question. For what I know, a fact is a verifiable truth from experience or observation, implying an event or a thing known to have happened or existed. Whether in Northern or Southern Nigeria, there are no male prostitutes. There are female prostitutes everywhere in the present day Nigeria who rent out their sexual organ to men in exchange for money. The restriction of purchasing power to men in Nigeria makes it impossible for women to rich enough with money to hire and pay men for sexual intercourse beside the fact that women don't naturally possess the same sexual instinct/urge as men. Only men are known to indulge in paying for recreational sex with women. Prior to the beginning of national and cultural decay of Nigeria, men and women were properly brought up about sexual discipline. Female prostitution as I pointed out in my previous post began in Nigeria after the end of World War 1. The alleged spot in the North where women pick up young males and pay them for sexual intercourse is a presumed occurrence without proof. It is a fiction.

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

In this universe?

'The restriction of purchasing power to men in Nigeria '

Kadiri

Please visit Google

'Only men are known to indulge in paying for recreational sex with women'

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Do you dispute the fact that some women have a verifiable spot in the North where they pick up young males as alleged? (I don't know for a fact that it exists) - O. Agbetuyi  

I underlined the words, fact and alleged to highlight the contradictions in your question. For what I know, a fact is a verifiable truth from experience or observation, implying an event or a thing known to have happened or existed. Whether in Northern or Southern Nigeria, there are no male prostitutes. There are female prostitutes everywhere in the present day Nigeria who rent out their sexual organ to men in exchange for money. The restriction of purchasing power to men in Nigeria makes it impossible for women to rich enough with money to hire and pay men for sexual intercourse beside the fact that women don't naturally possess the same sexual instinct/urge as men. Only men are known to indulge in paying for recreational sex with women. Prior to the beginning of national and cultural decay of Nigeria, men and women were properly brought up about sexual discipline. Female prostitution as I pointed out in my previous post began in Nigeria after the end of World War 1. The alleged spot in the North where women pick up young males and pay them for sexual intercourse is a presumed occurrence without proof. It is a fiction.

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While I am in agony about how our marriage and family institutions  in Nigeria have been polluted, perverted and destroyed by Euro-American culture, I am being told, at least tacitly and indirectly, that part of Nigeria's reward for being cosmopolitan and internationalized is prolireration of male sex addicts. I disagree with that view. Nigeria cannot claim to be internationalized on the ground of copying and emulating abnormal sexual habits from Europe and America.

The subject under discussion now is the alleged demand by a sex- addicted professor to copulate five times with a female student in exchange for a pass grade.  Therefore, I cannot see any connection between the subject matter and the fictions written by Iffy Amdiome,  Chukwuemeka Nwoko and others. Those fictions were written to make money from Euro-American audience and do not represent true and general male/female sexual relations in Africa and, especially, in Nigeria. 

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The national economic space in Nigeria is 99.9% dominated by men and the few women that can be regarded as being wealthy are affiliated or attached to the political, military elites and high-rank public servants in the civil service, judiciary and parastatals. Please, take note that we are talking about what obtains in Nigeria and not in the entire Universe. It is a well known fact that women from Germany, Britain and Scandinavia travel to Gambia for sexual Safari with poor young Gambia men. Although the share of those women in their respective country's economic Gross Domestic Products (GDP) per capital cannot enable them to hire men in their countries for sex, it is more than enough in Gambia to live a luxurious life. Characteristically, the young Gambian boys that engage in sex with middle-aged European women do so not because they are sexually starved but because it is the only means open to them to get money. Some of the sexual tourist European women often pay the school fees of their sexual boys in Gambia. No Gambia woman, from economic point of view, can afford to hire and pay men to satisfy her lust for sex. There may be exception but it is not general.

As far as Nigeria is concerned, only men are known to regard sex as recreation and they often seduce women with money, as you put it, to get their rocks off. In the past when the culture of Nigeria was unpolluted, a woman that had attained menopause age would willingly decide not to continue having sex with the husband which she considered useless since she could no longer be pregnant. She would therefore take the lead in looking for a woman, still in fertile age, for the husband so that his sperm could fulfil nature's command to procreate. So, if you have read of women paying men to satisfy their sexual lust in the google, they are not Nigerian women. If there are such sites where Nigerian women advertise their willingness to pay money to men in exchange for being poked, you would not have advocated for creating sites where sex addicted men can go, as you put it, to get their rocks off.

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Salimonu!

you earlier stated 'The restriction of purchasing power to men in Nigeria ', you did not refer to wealth of women vs that of men.

prostitutes are available at prices to fit a large range of wallets. patronage does not require being wealthy.

' It is a well known fact that women from Germany, Britain and Scandinavia travel to Gambia for sexual Safari with poor young Gambia men. Although the share of those women in their respective country's economic Gross Domestic Products (GDP) per capital cannot enable them to hire men in their countries for sex, it is more than enough in Gambia to live a luxurious life'.

Where does one start from?

Please Google 'male prostitution in Europe.

Also Google 'male escorts'.

If I was motivated, I would provide at least five websites for explicit and implicit male prostitution in Europe, but its info anyone can easily find.

As for the economic power of women in those frontline Western European countries, some of the most powerful in the global economy, where do I start from in explaining the huge gains of women in those countries since the massive entry of women into the work force since WW2, with Germany and England both producing a female prime minister?

Women in those countries don't need to pay for sex. All they need to do is advertise their interests and they can choose.

My experience of England, though, is that the country is significantly age sensitive. So, as the women pass the 40-50 age line, it might be less easy to gain the erotic attention of younger men, so, even though they can afford to pay for such attention , the sex tourism option might enable greater control over the process, more access to such attention without having to cope with the monetized time frames of erotic  professionals.

How true is this?- 

'As far as Nigeria is concerned, only men are known to regard sex as recreation'

This is a scholarly group, not a general interest group, so I cant post various lines of evidence to counter this from women's own statements on various Facebook discussions, so salacious they are.

For those who are keen, though,  you can see the Facebook wall of Ify Asia Chiemeziem, a Nigerian sex and relationship counselor, read the discussions on her wall and watch her videos. Others, such as Vivian Ada Eze,  also exist in the Nigerian Facebook space, but Chiemeziem is the one whose work I am following at present.

What is the rationale for the following  when it occurred and to what degree does it represent socially configured as different from individually oriented needs, and when relating to individual needs, how could such needs be modulated by a different, monogamous domestic framework in the post-classical context in which  a couple could expect more from each other beyond sex for childbirth but also sex as related to intimacy?- 

'In the past when the culture of Nigeria was unpolluted, a woman that had attained menopause age would willingly decide not to continue having sex with the husband which she considered useless since she could no longer be pregnant'. 

Again, this is a scholarly group, so I cant go into discussions about female biology and relationships between female erogenous zones, life cycles and sexual motivations but one could look into the work of another  impressive Nigerian female sex coach, Funmi Akingbade, whose "23 Ways to Make Sex as Simple as ABC" Part 1 and Part 2, a series from her Punch newspaper column  is one of the best presentations of sexual technique know to me, her description of stimulation of female erogenous zones very impressive, although I think more latitude in such presentations should be given for variations in women's tastes.

It would be good for a person to examine the presentations of female sexuality by Akingbade, focusing on the arousal value of particular parts of a woman's body, keeping in mind the relationship between mind and body in terms of the total context of relationships and ask if these descriptions by Akingbade apply to women in  general, in terms of the relationship between women's sexual pleasure and social expectations.

'So, if you have read of women paying men to satisfy their sexual lust in the google, they are not Nigerian women'.  

A few of the many Nigerian Facebook Sugar Mummy pages reached by searching for 'sugar mummy, 

Sugar mummy" page"

Sugar Mummy Hookup Zone

on  these pages one can read advertisements, expressions of interest and contact phone nos

'If there are such sites where Nigerian women advertise their willingness to pay money to men in exchange for being poked, you would not have advocated for creating sites where ... men can go, as you put it, to get their rocks off'.

sex for sale sites are different from non-commercial interaction sites. not everyone is willing to engage in sex for money, even if they will be paid. secondly, the sugar mummy market is  a specialized market of older women and younger men.

On 19 April 2018 at 13:08, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The national economic space in Nigeria is 99.9% dominated by men and the few women that can be regarded as being wealthy are affiliated or attached to the political, military elites and high-rank public servants in the civil service, judiciary and parastatals. Please, take note that we are talking about what obtains in Nigeria and not in the entire Universe. It is a well known fact that women from Germany, Britain and Scandinavia travel to Gambia for sexual Safari with poor young Gambia men. Although the share of those women in their respective country's economic Gross Domestic Products (GDP) per capital cannot enable them to hire men in their countries for sex, it is more than enough in Gambia to live a luxurious life. Characteristically, the young Gambian boys that engage in sex with middle-aged European women do so not because they are sexually starved but because it is the only means open to them to get money. Some of the sexual tourist European women often pay the school fees of their sexual boys in Gambia. No Gambia woman, from economic point of view, can afford to hire and pay men to satisfy her lust for sex. There may be exception but it is not general.

As far as Nigeria is concerned, only men are known to regard sex as recreation and they often seduce women with money, as you put it, to get their rocks off. In the past when the culture of Nigeria was unpolluted, a woman that had attained menopause age would willingly decide not to continue having sex with the husband which she considered useless since she could no longer be pregnant. She would therefore take the lead in looking for a woman, still in fertile age, for the husband so that his sperm could fulfil nature's command to procreate. So, if you have read of women paying men to satisfy their sexual lust in the google, they are not Nigerian women. If there are such sites where Nigerian women advertise their willingness to pay money to men in exchange for being poked, you would not have advocated for creating sites where sex addicted men can go, as you put it, to get their rocks off.

S. Kadiri     

 

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Oluwatoyin,

What I stated was not completely quoted by you and that led you into erroneous conclusion. Here follows what I stated : The restriction of purchasing power to men in Nigeria makes it impossible for women to (be)* rich enough with money to hire and pay men for sexual intercourse, beside the fact that women don't naturally possess the same sexual instinct/urge as men.

The word, *be, was omitted in the original text, nevertheless the information I intended to convey was never lost or distorted. Generally speaking, women in Nigeria are not economically and financially empowered as men so that they can indulge in hiring  and paying men for sexual service. 

As for male prostitutes and escorts in Europe, Google may not be publishing the truth. In Europe, even in the social welfare administered Scandinavia countries, the struggle for equal pay for the same job between the genders is still ongoing because women are often paid less than men for the same job done. Therefore, the market for male prostitutes wishing to serve women in exchange for money is more of a Google dream than reality. Of course, it cannot be ruled out that there are male prostitutes or escorts  serving fellow males homosexually.

Disputing that only Nigerian men regard sex as recreation worth being paid for, you cited the Facebook Walls of a supposed Nigerian sex and relationship counsellor, Ify Asia Chiemeziem and Vivian Ada Eze. How can you paint all Nigerian women with a foreign sexual behaviour adopted by few Nigerian women? Majority of Nigerians regard sex as a means of procreating and do not consider their cavities as holes for men to masturbate at will. You cannot take abnormal sexual views of exaggerated and Europeanized few Nigerians to represent the views of majority of Nigerian women. Do you know that majority of Nigerian women do not bleach their skin and do not wear synthetic hairs (wig)? As for the synthetic hair, I am reminded of a recent story of a Benin herbalist who was approached by a man wishing to procure a love charm to attract a specific woman. The herbalist requested him to bring a fist full of the woman's hair in question to prepare a charm. The man succeeded in bringing a fist full of the woman's hairs to the herbalist and on paying the agreed fee, the herbalist prepared the charm which was spread in the atmosphere. Weeks passed bye the woman showed no sign of love to the man who instead received a dozen of love letters from Brazil. The man raging with anger went back to the herbalist to demand back the fee he had paid for the love charm. When it became known to the herbalist that the man had received a dozen of love letters from Brazil, he exclaimed to the man and said, the fist ful of hairs you brought was not the genuine hairs of the woman but assorted hairs of twelve Brazilian women which explained why you received twelve love letters from Brazil. The love man retreated shamefully. Such is life in Nigeria, Oluwatoyin.

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Let me state as a student of psychoanalysis that your presumed neat division of libidinal impulses between men and women is not supported by facts both in Africa and the West.  My use of 'fact and 'alleged may be seen as a Freudian slip in this connection.

Are you aware that northern Nigeria has a celebrated crop of bisexuals as can be attested to by forumites?  Do you recall that some of IBB loyalists on losing favour with the inner circle went on record with the weekly news magazines to accuse the dictator of using the services of the ''Yadaodus?' Are the services of such men for free?

In the Yoruba world does the name Funmilayo Ranko (that I grew up with who alleged she was born a girl but give performances as a young man dressed in a conductor suit) ring a bell? Till today I cannot truly vouch for his/her gender.

As to the distribution of power/wealth on gender basis as an undergraduate with my older cousin I was often invited to parties attended by beer wholesaler distributor business women and their younger separately married men who were in the women's pay.

So it depends on how you define prostitution and where you are looking for the evidence.  This is why I asked of which Nigeria we speak: contemporary or historical

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Do you dispute the fact that some women have a verifiable spot in the North where they pick up young males as alleged? (I don't know for a fact that it exists) - O. Agbetuyi  

I underlined the words, fact and alleged to highlight the contradictions in your question. For what I know, a fact is a verifiable truth from experience or observation, implying an event or a thing known to have happened or existed. Whether in Northern or Southern Nigeria, there are no male prostitutes. There are female prostitutes everywhere in the present day Nigeria who rent out their sexual organ to men in exchange for money. The restriction of purchasing power to men in Nigeria makes it impossible for women to rich enough with money to hire and pay men for sexual intercourse beside the fact that women don't naturally possess the same sexual instinct/urge as men. Only men are known to indulge in paying for recreational sex with women. Prior to the beginning of national and cultural decay of Nigeria, men and women were properly brought up about sexual discipline. Female prostitution as I pointed out in my previous post began in Nigeria after the end of World War 1. The alleged spot in the North where women pick up young males and pay them for sexual intercourse is a presumed occurrence without proof. It is a fiction.

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Salimonu,

So you still hold that purchasing power in Nigeria is restricted to men?

You then contradict yourself by equating purchasing power with wealth. Is all purchasing power necessarily that of wealthy people?

Since you are determined to ignore the fact that prostitution is available for most budgets, have you tried asking prostitutes their asking provces? Its not hard. Just walk the strees where they ply their trade and let us know your findings.

On female sexuality in Nigeria, I have provided evidence to back up my claims.

What evidence do you have to back up yours?

How did you arrive at your views about Nigerian female sexual orientations?

You will observe from the questions I asked and the information sources I linked those questions to, that I have mapped out frameworks for examining the validity of those claims you make. I dont see you presenting your logic, your rationale for your views about Nigerian female sexuality.

What empirical observations have you made? What historical research have you conducted?

On online information searching, Google is the most efficient means of searching information in today's world, scouring virtually the entire online space, the central location for information dissemination in the world and where various people place their advertisements and project their orientations and so can easily be sourced for information placed there by those pursuing various interests. Its not an individual or group  to which you can apply the claim 'Google is not telling the truth'.

Have you searched for information on the subject of male prostitution in Europe, their going rates and their clientele? Without such investigations, all that you are doing is dogmatically presenting uncorroborated views.

toyin

On 19 April 2018 at 22:40, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Oluwatoyin,

What I stated was not completely quoted by you and that led you into erroneous conclusion. Here follows what I stated : The restriction of purchasing power to men in Nigeria makes it impossible for women to (be)* rich enough with money to hire and pay men for sexual intercourse, beside the fact that women don't naturally possess the same sexual instinct/urge as men.

The word, *be, was omitted in the original text, nevertheless the information I intended to convey was never lost or distorted. Generally speaking, women in Nigeria are not economically and financially empowered as men so that they can indulge in hiring  and paying men for sexual service. 

As for male prostitutes and escorts in Europe, Google may not be publishing the truth. In Europe, even in the social welfare administered Scandinavia countries, the struggle for equal pay for the same job between the genders is still ongoing because women are often paid less than men for the same job done. Therefore, the market for male prostitutes wishing to serve women in exchange for money is more of a Google dream than reality. Of course, it cannot be ruled out that there are male prostitutes or escorts  serving fellow males homosexually.

Disputing that only Nigerian men regard sex as recreation worth being paid for, you cited the Facebook Walls of a supposed Nigerian sex and relationship counsellor, Ify Asia Chiemeziem and Vivian Ada Eze. How can you paint all Nigerian women with a foreign sexual behaviour adopted by few Nigerian women? Majority of Nigerians regard sex as a means of procreating and do not consider their cavities as holes for men to masturbate at will. You cannot take abnormal sexual views of exaggerated and Europeanized few Nigerians to represent the views of majority of Nigerian women. Do you know that majority of Nigerian women do not bleach their skin and do not wear synthetic hairs (wig)? As for the synthetic hair, I am reminded of a recent story of a Benin herbalist who was approached by a man wishing to procure a love charm to attract a specific woman. The herbalist requested him to bring a fist full of the woman's hair in question to prepare a charm. The man succeeded in bringing a fist full of the woman's hairs to the herbalist and on paying the agreed fee, the herbalist prepared the charm which was spread in the atmosphere. Weeks passed bye the woman showed no sign of love to the man who instead received a dozen of love letters from Brazil. The man raging with anger went back to the herbalist to demand back the fee he had paid for the love charm. When it became known to the herbalist that the man had received a dozen of love letters from Brazil, he exclaimed to the man and said, the fist ful of hairs you brought was not the genuine hairs of the woman but assorted hairs of twelve Brazilian women which explained why you received twelve love letters from Brazil. The love man retreated shamefully. Such is life in Nigeria, Oluwatoyin.

S. Kadiri    

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...hardly are sexual matters between superlative partners NEAT .YET SEX  CANT BE TAILORED WITH ETTHICS everywhere all the time -especially between 2 willing & 2 unequal bargainers - dealers !even then sex is equidistant to us all were it not for our unwilling or inertness to MOVE out OR ORIENT OUR SPOUSES to explore sexual methds and positions gorgeous enough for harmless combustion within.Besides there are beauty & brains everywhere but for bondage of cultures and the archaic norm that only the males should woo the other gender is another barrier to sexual fredom unlike i the usa whee its comparatively free insofar you renot i the top echelon &you re not raping or recklesly groping.MST

With due respect to all faithful & holy books i prefer a no -victor –no - vanquished approach to this seemingly complex yet so rampart case locally, globally. How? memory easily erase or at least lessen the audacity or otherwise the intensity of misdemeanor -locked in.Both parties should let the sleeping dogs lie on the case. The lady should be assured &informally invited by university authority & confirmed the sexual harassment and assure her she will not be further victimized & consequently it may mean either her repeating the class or subject concerned -this being the worst verdict option.The lecturer should be given appropriate reprimand & long enough suspension to justify or help collective memory loss on the illicit affair & ilicit measurement of standard. On us all-the moral public & Osagie s significant others.

nb. the major merit of the licked audio is that it will ameliorate the sexual harassment practice locally. I dont think it will annul this illicit libido test & measurement practice except both the female students dress properly,ethically congruous  & are genuinely born - again & lecturers as married men are exposed to different sexual positions & become adept in this  with their legal spouse or single partner if single.It will help  them yield to ample chastity & immune to fantastic tempting ladies who will then appear as a biblically STRANGE WOMAN -what Connie Giordano called the gutter woman &the lady too will consider it un-imaginable that such a married man hasnt been fortunate to have a consistently educated woman in sex-in-marriage as wife versatile enough this digital age with ubiquitous libraries to give him more than enough sexual satisfaction as ‘A-I’-ladies tend to do or are expectedly inured when in a marital relationship.

On Monday, April 9, 2018 harmless cost sex scandal involving a Nigeria-based professor soliciting for sex from a student to pass her in his course. The audio is currently trending.

[Salimonu Kadiri]

Oluwatoyin,

Purchasing power as used in this sense has to do with income distribution and money circulation in Nigeria, which is glaringly dominated by few men. Many Nigerians, men as well as women, have zero purchasing power. You have to understand that most Nigerians are bothered with lack of basic necessities of life, such as work (to earn money), food, clothes and shelter. It is after these basic necessities of life have been attained, especially by men in Nigeria, that they decide to get married not for the sake of sex but to procreate. A man with visible basic necessities of life is attractive to a woman ( or women) for marriage as she is rest assured that the man will be able to cater, financially, for her and their would-be offspring. During the agrarian era in Nigeria, the size of a man's farm determined his qualification to get married to  a woman or women.

I have never denied that there are female prostitutes in Nigeria. What I said, rather, was that negligible percentage of Nigerian women are engaged in it not because they are thirsty of sex but because that is the only avenue open to them to earn money for their living. Normal Nigerian women, and most of them are normal, don't go around talking about enjoying sex which as I have stated before is regarded as a means of procreation. The United Nation Fund for Population Activities (UNFPA), for almost a decade, has been complaining about the high fertility rates among Nigerian women and each succeeding Federal Government of Nigeria, including the current one, has been collaborating with UNFPA to reduce the rate of fertility by luring women to accept oral and injectable contraceptives since most Nigerian women object to sex with men wearing condoms which they compare such men to as showering with the rain-coat on. The Nigerian National Population Commission (NPC) is also cooperating with UNFPA to bring down the rate of population growth in Nigeria, which is considered too high and explosive. This confirms that women engage in sex in Nigeria mainly to procreate. You will never find that in the Google.

As for your Nigerian experts in female sexuality, Ify Asia Chiemeziem and Vivian Ada Eze, they can only speak for themselves and not all Nigerian women. Who counselled their mothers about sex and relationship before they were born, perhaps on banana leafs behind a mud and thatched-roof house? 

I don't know what you mean by 'Nigerian female sexual orientations.' Who is a male or a female is biologically (physiologically or anatomically) determined at birth except in case of deformation which is an exception but not a norm. Off course those who are abnormal choose whether they are  males or females and act sexually on their choices contrary to the law of nature and biology. My point of view on male prostitution in Europe, therefore, is that they exist to serve male homosexuals and not women who because of income disparities between them and men prevent them from hiring and paying men for casual sex, even if they want. No Google will confirm that fact for you.

S. Kadiri    

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[Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju]

Salimonu,

So, in the most populated country in Africa and one of, it not its biggest economy,  "Purchasing power as used in this sense has to do with income distribution and money circulation in Nigeria, which is glaringly dominated by few men". 

Really?

So, those numerous women who run businesses at all scales,  from kiosks to small and medium scale enterprises to bank mangers and high ranking business and other institutional executives  to such  professionals as academics, doctors and  the judiciary, for example, have no purchasing power or do not have significant purchasing power?

On sexual activity among Nigerians, have you investigated this or have access to such investigations? Did your research convince you  that such activity hardly exists, if at all,  bcs, as you state,  "most Nigerians are bothered with lack of basic necessities of life, such as work (to earn money), food, clothes and shelter. It is after these basic necessities of life have been attained, especially by men in Nigeria, that they decide to get married not for the sake of sex but to procreate"? 

Have you investigated the claims of a thriving culture of extramarital affairs that have nothing to do with procreation and confirmed such a culture does not exist or is negligible?

How did you come to this conclusion-

'My point of view on male prostitution in Europe, therefore, is that they exist to serve male homosexuals and not women who because of income disparities between them and men prevent them from hiring and paying men for casual sex, even if they want.'

Do you have verifiable information on income disparities between men and women in Europe in relation to the various going rates among male prostitutes?

Have you done or do you have access to adequate research into the factors that influence women's attitudes to contraceptive use in Nigeria?

Condoms are also vital in avoiding STDs which could lead to loss of the child bearing capacity which you describe as the only motivation 'normal'  Nigerian women have for sex as well as to loss of life. Would such an understanding influence their approach to protection and ignoring of such possibilities not be more a demonstration of ignorance rather than a desire to be free to bear children?

Since the Nigerian economy is no longer dominated by agriculture which has been  described as fueling the demand for large number of children, a modern economy significantly shaped by urban demographics and the attendant escalating high cost of living and low access to jobs that makes having many children prohibitive, what investigations have you made or have you studied into the influence of these transformed socio-economic conditions on Nigerian women's approach to sex and childbearing?

Nigerian women have become very visible as independent figures in many areas of public life, from business to the professions to politics. Have you made or do you have access to any investigations into the influence of such independence on female sexuality, in contrast to the traditional culture the norms of which define your thinking about Nigerian female sexuality?

The fabric of the family has also been severely shaken by various changes, leading to women never being married and to single motherhood in numbers unlikely in traditional society. Have you investigated or do you have access to adequate and verifiable investigations into how these forms of independence affect female sexuality in a social framework very different from the pre-modern traditional context which is your only frame of reference for describing Nigerian women's sexuality?

Its easy to make grand claims. Its another thing to critically examine and corroborate them.

thanks

toyin

On 22 April 2018 at 20:14, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Oluwatoyin,

Purchasing power as used in this sense has to do with income distribution and money circulation in Nigeria, which is glaringly dominated by few men. Many Nigerians, men as well as women, have zero purchasing power. You have to understand that most Nigerians are bothered with lack of basic necessities of life, such as work (to earn money), food, clothes and shelter. It is after these basic necessities of life have been attained, especially by men in Nigeria, that they decide to get married not for the sake of sex but to procreate. A man with visible basic necessities of life is attractive to a woman ( or women) for marriage as she is rest assured that the man will be able to cater, financially, for her and their would-be offspring. During the agrarian era in Nigeria, the size of a man's farm determined his qualification to get married to  a woman or women.

I have never denied that there are female prostitutes in Nigeria. What I said, rather, was that negligible percentage of Nigerian women are engaged in it not because they are thirsty of sex but because that is the only avenue open to them to earn money for their living. Normal Nigerian women, and most of them are normal, don't go around talking about enjoying sex which as I have stated before is regarded as a means of procreation. The United Nation Fund for Population Activities (UNFPA), for almost a decade, has been complaining about the high fertility rates among Nigerian women and each succeeding Federal Government of Nigeria, including the current one, has been collaborating with UNFPA to reduce the rate of fertility by luring women to accept oral and injectable contraceptives since most Nigerian women object to sex with men wearing condoms which they compare such men to as showering with the rain-coat on. The Nigerian National Population Commission (NPC) is also cooperating with UNFPA to bring down the rate of population growth in Nigeria, which is considered too high and explosive. This confirms that women engage in sex in Nigeria mainly to procreate. You will never find that in the Google.

As for your Nigerian experts in female sexuality, Ify Asia Chiemeziem and Vivian Ada Eze, they can only speak for themselves and not all Nigerian women. Who counselled their mothers about sex and relationship before they were born, perhaps on banana leafs behind a mud and thatched-roof house? 

I don't know what you mean by 'Nigerian female sexual orientations.' Who is a male or a female is biologically (physiologically or anatomically) determined at birth except in case of deformation which is an exception but not a norm. Off course those who are abnormal choose whether they are  males or females and act sexually on their choices contrary to the law of nature and biology. My point of view on male prostitution in Europe, therefore, is that they exist to serve male homosexuals and not women who because of income disparities between them and men prevent them from hiring and paying men for casual sex, even if they want. No Google will confirm that fact for you.

S. Kadiri    

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