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 More options May 20 2008, 6:39 am
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From: mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 06:39:42 -0400
Local: Tues, May 20 2008 6:39 am
Subject: Bush and Cheney's Final Gift to the Nation: A Fourth War, War with Iran?
US President George W. Bush intends to attack Iran in the upcoming months,
before the end of his term, Army Radio quoted officials in Jerusalem as
saying Tuesday.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1210668683139&pagename=JPo...

Wouldn't they have to get approval by Congress of such a thing, or is the
Constitution a dead letter in the US, and the US President able to order
the US military to attack anyone he wants any time he wants?

And if the President does order an un-Constitutional attack which is
carried out by the Department of Defense and the military, shouldn't he
and the other executive branch officers involved, both civilian and
military, be turned over to the victims of that attack for trial by a
military tribunal for their lawless aggression, or at least to the World
Court, as evidence of good-faith rejection of such executive coup d'etat
in and by the United States?

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Find out just what any people will quietly submit to
and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong
which will be imposed upon them.

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 More options May 20 2008, 6:58 am
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From: NOMOREWARFORISRAEL <NOMOREWAR_FORISR...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 03:58:22 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Bush and Cheney's Final Gift to the Nation: A Fourth War, War with Iran?
Why aren't we talking about this?

Iran War, Real Fear Petraeus Beating War Drums for Attack:

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-arent-we-talking-...

AIPAC Pushing US to War with Iran for Israel:

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot.com/2007/10/re-aipac-is-pushing-u...

McCain, NeoCons, the Israel Lobby Ron Paul Weekly Standard

http://johnmccainforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5135#post5135

http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREAT.BLOGSPOT.COM

http://NOMOREWARFORISRAEL.BLOGSPOT.COM

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From: uUGLY2 <jismqu...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:19:56 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Bush and Cheney's Final Gift to the Nation: A Fourth War, War with Iran?
ANY MEMBER of Congress who votes to give your WHITE HOUSE WAR CRIMINAL
the go-ahead to attack IRAN should face immediate arrest!

 
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From: mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:09:20 -0400
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Subject: Re: Bush and Cheney's Final Gift to the Nation: A Fourth War, War with Iran?

By whom? Attorney-General Gonzales? who as White House Counsel argued that
(a) since the Senate put a reservation in our acceptance of the Geneva
Conventions that our adherence to those Conventions would not overrule our
Constitution (and in particular our Eighth Amendment, thought until the
advent of "strict constructionist" Justice Scalia to ban torture in the
US), and (b) since the Supreme Court _later_ (my emphasis) ruled that the
US Federal Government was not bound by our Constitution outside the United
States, that (c) this meant the Senate intended by their reservation at
the time of their approval of the Geneva Conventions to reserve the right
to torture outside the United States . . . .

And (d) was rewarded for his Constitutional prowess by being made
Attorney-General.

Incidentally, the White House Counsel has no business whatsoever opining
on Constitutional matters, this being just another case of
"opinion-shopping" by an Administration, just like in Iran-Contra, when
the NSC's legal counsel opined that the Boland Amendment banned the
involvement of the NSC in aid to the Contras, and so Ollie North and Co.
went looking for another and more favorable legal opinion, and of course
found themselves one.

A practice so blatantly crooked that those who engage in it have no right
to claim they didn't realize it.

I really think we should start thinking about abolishing the Presidency,
because what with "party loyalty", even the most crooked and vicious
President is all but immune to impeachment and punishment for even the
most crooked and vicious acts.

Such as authorizing the torture of prisoners, putting every American
citizen, diplomat or soldier captured by an enemy for the foreseeable
future at vastly increased risk of torture.

Of course, the Bush class doesn't serve in the military or anything like
that, at least anywhere shooting's going on, so maybe it's hard for them
to see this sort of thing.

Or maybe they just don't fucking give a damn.

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Liberalism = plutocracy + psychosociocracy + hypocrisy


 
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From: jdtmor...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:40:13 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, May 20 2008 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: Bush and Cheney's Final Gift to the Nation: A Fourth War, War with Iran?
Here is the latest on the coming war with Iran which will be for
Israel as well (just as Iraq was in accordance with the 'A Clean
Break' agenda - scroll down to the 'A Clean Break' post at
http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREAT.BLOGSPOT.COM):

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/Report_US_to_Attack_iran/2008/05/20/...

Newsmax.com

Report: U.S. Will Attack Iran
Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:40 PM

By: Newsmax Staff

Israel’s Army Radio is reporting that President Bush intends to launch
a military strike against Iran before the end of his term.
The Army Radio, a network operated by the Israeli Defense Forces,
quoted a government source in Jerusalem. The source disclosed that a
senior official close to Bush said in a closed meeting that Bush and
Vice President Dick Cheney believed military action against Iran was
now called for.
Bush concluded a trip to Israel last week, where he said, "The
objective of the United States must be to . . . support our strongest
ally and friend in the Middle East.”
The Radio report, which was quoted by the Jerusalem Post, disclosed
that the recent turmoil in Lebanon, where the Iranian-backed group
Hezbollah had seized virtual control of the country, was encouraging
an American attack.
Hezbollah’s aggression in Lebanon is seen as evidence of Iranian
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s growing influence, and the U.S.
official said that in Bush’s view, “the disease must be treated, not
its symptoms,” according to the Post.
The White House on Tuesday denied the Army Radio report, saying in a
statement: “As the president has said, no president of the United
States should ever take options off the table, but our preference and
our actions for dealing with this matter remain through peaceful
diplomatic means. Nothing has changed in that regard.”
However, numerous signs point to a U.S. strike on Iran in the near
future:
A leading member of America’s Jewish community told Newsmax in April
that a military strike on Iran was likely and that Vice President
Cheney’s March trip through the Middle East came in preparation for
the U.S. attack.
The Air Force recently declared the B-2 bomber fleet — a critical
weapons system in any U.S. attack on Iran — as airworthy again. The
Air Force had halted B-2 flights after a February crash in Guam. As
Newsmax reported, the Air Force has refitted its stealth bombers to
carry 30,000-pound “bunker buster” bombs, needed to destroy Iran’s
hardened nuclear facilities.
A second U.S. aircraft carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln, joined the
carrier USS Harry S. Truman in the Persian Gulf in May, carrying far
more weaponry and ammunition than on previous deployments.
Israel is gearing up for war. In April, it conducted its largest
homeland military exercises ever. The Jewish-American source said
Israel is “preparing for heavy casualties,” expecting to be the target
of Iranian retribution following the U.S. attack.
Saudi Arabia is taking steps to prepare for possible radioactive
contamination from U.S. destruction of Iran’s nuclear facilities. The
Saudi government reportedly approved nuclear fallout preparations a
day after Cheney met with the kingdom’s highest-ranking officials.
The USS Ross, an Aegis-class destroyer, has taken up station off the
coast of Lebanon. Military observers speculate it is there to help
defend Israel from missile attacks.
Adm. Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said
at a recent Pentagon briefing that the Iranians are systematically
importing and training Shiite militia fighters, who slip back across
the Iraqi border to kill American troops.
And Israeli intelligence has predicted that Iran will acquire its
first nuclear device in 2009, much earlier than previous U.S.
estimates.

Additional at the following URL for John McCain supporters!:

McCain, NeoCons, the Israel Lobby Ron Paul Weekly Standard

http://johnmccainforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5135#post5135

Here is a tiny URL for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/3kq48b

http://NOMOREWARFORISRAEL.BLOGSPOT.COM

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From: brushoff <mbrush...@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:51:27 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Bush and Cheney's Final Gift to the Nation: A Fourth War, War with Iran?
On May 20, 3:40 pm, jdtmor...@gmail.com wrote:

We were additdicted to oil, so the war of oil.

 
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:09:31 -0400
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Subject: Re: Bush and Cheney's Final Gift to the Nation: A Fourth War, War with Iran?

No, the owners of the politicians-- including in OPEC's secret member,
Texas-- are addicted to the "profits" from oil price-gouging, so another
war to take more oil off the market in pseudo-justification of still more
price-gouging.

Regardless of what the previous drooling anti-Semite thinks.

Follow the money!

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When was the last time you heard an American politician
use the word "plutocracy"?


 
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From: NOMOREWARFORISRAEL <NOMOREWAR_FORISR...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Bush and Cheney's Final Gift to the Nation: A Fourth War, War with Iran?
An Appeal to Admiral Fallon on Iran
By Ray McGovern
May 19, 2008

http://consortiumnews.com/2008/051908b.html

consortiumnews.com
An Appeal to Admiral Fallon on Iran
By Ray McGovern
May 19, 2008
Dear Admiral Fallon,
I have not been able to find out how to reach you directly, so I
drafted this letter in the hope it will be brought to your attention.
First, thank you for honoring the oath we commissioned officers take
to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all
enemies, foreign and domestic. At the same time, you have let it be
known that you do not intend to speak, on or off the record, about
Iran.
But our oath has no expiration date. While you are acutely aware of
the dangers of attacking Iran, you seem to be allowing an inbred
reluctance to challenge the commander in chief to trump that oath, and
to prevent you from letting the American people know of the
catastrophe about to befall us if, as seems likely, our country
attacks Iran.
Two years ago I lectured at the Naval Academy in Annapolis. I found it
highly disturbing that, when asked about the oath they took upon
entering the academy, several of the “Mids” thought it was to the
commander in chief.
This brought to my mind the photos of German generals and admirals (as
well as top church leaders and jurists) swearing personal oaths to
Hitler. Not our tradition, and yet …
I was aghast that only the third Mid I called on got it right – that
the oath is to protect and defend the Constitution, not the president.
Attack Iran and Trash the Constitution
No doubt you are very clear that an attack on Iran would be a flagrant
violation of our Constitution, which stipulates that treaties ratified
by the Senate become the supreme law of the land; that the United
Nations Charter – which the Senate ratified on July 28, 1945, by a
vote of 89 to 2 – expressly forbids attacks on other countries unless
they pose an imminent danger; that there is no provision allowing some
other kind of “pre-emptive” or “preventive” attack against a nation
that poses no imminent danger; and that Iran poses no such danger to
the United States or its allies.
You may be forgiven for thinking: Isn’t 41 years of service enough;
isn’t resigning in order to remove myself from a chain of command that
threatened to make me a war criminal for attacking Iran; isn’t making
my active opposition known by talking to journalists – isn’t all that
enough?
With respect, sir, no, that’s not enough.
The stakes here are extremely high and with the integrity you have
shown goes still further responsibility. Sadly, the vast majority of
your general officer colleagues have, for whatever reason, ducked that
responsibility. You are pretty much it.
In their lust for attacking Iran, administration officials will do
their best to marginalize you. And, as prominent a person as you are,
the corporate media will do the same.
Indeed, there are clear signs the media have been given their marching
orders to support attacking Iran.
At CIA I used to analyze the Soviet press, so you will understand when
I refer to the Washington Post and the New York Times as the White
House’s Pravda and Izvestiya.
Sadly, it is as easy as during the days of the controlled Soviet press
to follow the U.S. government’s evolving line with a daily reading. In
a word, our newspapers are revving up for war on Iran, and have been
for some time.
In some respects the manipulation and suppression of information in
the present lead-up to an attack on Iran is even more flagrant and all
encompassing than in early 2003 before the invasion of Iraq.
It seems entirely possible that you are unaware of this, precisely
because the media have put the wraps on it, so let me adduce a
striking example of what is afoot here.
The example has to do with the studied, if disingenuous, effort over
recent months to blame all the troubles in southern Iraq on the
“malignant” influence of Iran.
But Not for Fiasco
Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman, Adm. Mike Mullen, told reporters on
April 25 that Gen. David Petraeus would be giving a briefing “in the
next couple of weeks” that would provide detailed evidence of “just
how far Iran is reaching into Iraq to foment instability.”
Petraeus’s staff alerted U.S. media to a major news event in which
captured Iranian arms in Karbala would be displayed and then
destroyed.
Small problem. When American munitions experts went to Karbala to
inspect the alleged cache of Iranian weapons they found nothing that
could be credibly linked to Iran.
News to you? That’s because this highly embarrassing episode went
virtually unreported in the media – like the proverbial tree falling
in the forest with no corporate media to hear it crash.
So Mullen and Petraeus live, uninhibited and unembarrassed, to keep
searching for Iranian weapons so the media can then tell a story more
supportive to efforts to blacken Iran. A fiasco is only a fiasco if
folks know about it.
The suppression of this episode is the most significant aspect, in my
view, and a telling indicator of how difficult it is to get honest
reporting on these subjects.
Meanwhile, it was announced that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki
had formed his own Cabinet committee to investigate U.S. claims and
attempt to “find tangible information and not information based on
speculation.”
Dissing the Intelligence Estimate
Top officials from the president on down have been dismissing the
dramatically new conclusion of the National Intelligence Estimate
released on Dec. 3, 2007, a judgment concurred in by the 16
intelligence units of our government, that Iran had stopped the
weapons-related part of its nuclear program in mid-2003.
Always willing to do his part, the malleable CIA chief, Michael
Hayden, on April 30 publicly offered his “personal opinion” that Iran
is building a nuclear weapon – the National Intelligence Estimate
notwithstanding.
 For good measure, Hayden added: “It is my opinion, it is the policy
of the Iranian government, approved to the highest level of that
government, to facilitate the killing of Americans in Iraq. … Just
make sure there’s clarity on that.”
I don’t need to tell you about the Haydens and other smartly saluting
generals in Washington.
Let me suggest that you have a serious conversation with Gen. Anthony
Zinni, one of your predecessor CENTOM commanders (1997 to 2000).
As you know better than I, this Marine general is also an officer with
unusual integrity.  But placed into circumstances virtually identical
to those you now face, he could not find his voice.
He missed his chance to interrupt the juggernaut to war in Iraq; you
might ask him how he feels about that now, and what he would advise in
current circumstances.
Zinni happened to be one of the honorees at the Veterans of Foreign
Wars convention on Aug. 26, 2002, at which Vice President Dick Cheney
delivered the exceedingly alarmist speech, unsupported by our best
intelligence, about the nuclear threat and other perils awaiting us at
the hands of Saddam Hussein.
That speech not only launched the seven-month public campaign against
Iraq leading up to the war, but set the terms of reference for the
Oct. 1, 2002 National Intelligence Estimate fabricated – yes,
fabricated – to convince Congress to approve war on Iraq.
Gen. Zinni later shared publicly that, as he listened to Cheney, he
was shocked to hear a depiction of intelligence that did not square
with what he knew. Although Zinni had retired two years earlier, his
role as consultant had required him to stay up to date on intelligence
relating to the Middle East.
One Sunday morning three and a half years after Cheney’s speech, Zinni
told “Meet the Press”: “There was no solid proof that Saddam had
weapons of mass destruction. … I heard a case being made to go to
war.”
Gen. Zinni had as good a chance as anyone to stop an unnecessary war –
not a “pre-emptive war,” since there was nothing to pre-empt – and
Zinni knew it. No, what he and any likeminded officials could have
stopped was a war of aggression, defined at the post-WWII Nuremberg
Tribunal as the “supreme international crime.”
Sure, Zinni would have had to stick his neck out. He may have had to
speak out alone, since most senior officials, like then-CIA Director
George Tenet, lacked courage and integrity.
In his memoir published a year ago, Tenet says Cheney did not follow
the usual practice of clearing his Aug. 26, 2002 speech with the CIA;
that much of what Cheney said took him completely by surprise; and
that Tenet “had the impression that the president wasn’t any more
aware of what his number-two was going to say to the VFW until he said
it.”
It is a bit difficult to believe that Cheney’s shameless speech took
Tenet completely by surprise.
We know from the Downing Street Minutes, vouched for by the UK as
authentic, that Tenet told his British counterpart on July 20, 2002,
that the president had decided to make war on Iraq for regime change
and that “the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the
policy”
Encore: Iran
Admiral Fallon, you know that to be the case also with respect to the
“intelligence” being conjured up to “justify” war with Iran. And no
one knows better than you that your departure from the chain of
command has turned it over completely to the smartly saluting
sycophants.
No doubt you have long since taken the measure, for example, of
Defense Secretary Robert Gates. So have I.
I was one of his first branch chiefs when he was a young, disruptively
ambitious CIA analyst. When Ronald Reagan’s CIA Director William Casey
sought someone to shape CIA analysis to accord with his own conviction
that the Soviet Union would never change, Gates leaped at the chance.
After Casey died, Gates admitted to the Washington Post’s Walter
Pincus that he (Gates) watched Casey on “issue after issue sit in
meetings and present intelligence framed in terms of the policy
...

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From: NOMOREWARFORISRAEL <NOMOREWAR_FORISR...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 01:15:35 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, May 22 2008 4:15 am
Subject: Re: Bush and Cheney's Final Gift to the Nation: A Fourth War, War with Iran?
Israeli press reports US pledge of war on Iran—is Bush preparing an
October Surprise?
By Bill Van Auken
21 May 2008

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/may2008/iran-m21.shtml

Israel asks US to impose naval blockade on Iran:

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/165053

Former Chief UN Weapons Inspector Hans Blix on the US Rush to War in
Iraq, the Threat of an Attack on Iran, and the Need for a Global
Nuclear Ban to Avoid Further Catastrophe

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/21/former_chief_un_weapons_inspect...

Additional at the following URL:

President Bush intends to attack Iran in coming months

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=89840

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