Christmas bomber
Roedy Green
masterminded 9/11.
I find this not credible. This guy was a bungling idiot. There was
no planning or rehearsal.
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
If you give someone a program, you will frustrate them for a day; if you teach them how to program, you will frustrate them for a lifetime.
CB
"Roedy Green" <see_w...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> We are told the Christmas bomber was trained by the same folks that
> masterminded 9/11.
>
> I find this not credible. This guy was a bungling idiot. There was
> no planning or rehearsal.
Where did "bungling idiot" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab get PETN, the explosive
used?
Only a cool-aid drinker like you would dismiss Umar as a bungler.
It took me some time to find an article that revealed PETN as the explosive.
No telling what triggers went off just doing the search. I can't imagine the
secrecy and sophistication required to obtain. It is difficult to detonate
according to Wicipedia. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab must have known that and
tried unsuccessfully to detonate it using a fuse of some sort. Thank God he
wasn't sophisticated enough for success.
He wasn't a bungler, he just wasn't a sophisticated bomber. Who did he get
the PETN from? Are they sophisticated? did body moisture and movement cause
the blasting cap to fail?
Carrying out a suicide bombing isn't a simple thing but you seem to think it
is.
I think you dismiss Umar as a bungler because you'd like to dismiss
terrorism as an act of war against the infidel. Are you part of the
deception that Islam is a religion of peace?
AntiSpin
"Roedy Green" <see_w...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> masterminded 9/11.
>
> I find this not credible. This guy was a bungling idiot. There was
> no planning or rehearsal.
> --
So you think Osama is lying when he claimed responsiblity? Why, in your
view, would Osama claim credit for a bungled job by an idiot when he didn't
have to? (assuming he did, of course and it's all not just a big cover up
eh?)
But wait, haven't you postulated that the masterminds behind 9/11 were
actually members of the US government? So perhaps you're saying it wasn't
the same American blackest of black ops personnel behind the bungling idiot?
The Americans couldn't have trained a bungling idiot, could they?
lol
Duncan Patton a Campbell
> "Roedy Green" <see_w...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:g4ljj5hhbl71sbi6s...@4ax.com...
>> We are told the Christmas bomber was trained by the same folks that
>> masterminded 9/11.
>>
>> I find this not credible. This guy was a bungling idiot. There was no
>> planning or rehearsal.
>
> Where did "bungling idiot" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab get PETN, the
> explosive used?
>
> Only a cool-aid drinker like you would dismiss Umar as a bungler.
>
> It took me some time to find an article that revealed PETN as the
> explosive. No telling what triggers went off just doing the search. I
> can't imagine the secrecy and sophistication required to obtain. It is
> difficult to detonate according to Wicipedia. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab
> must have known that and tried unsuccessfully to detonate it using a
> fuse of some sort. Thank God he wasn't sophisticated enough for success.
>
> He wasn't a bungler, he just wasn't a sophisticated bomber. Who did he
> get the PETN from? Are they sophisticated? did body moisture and
> movement cause the blasting cap to fail?
>
> Carrying out a suicide bombing isn't a simple thing but you seem to
> think it is.
>
> I think you dismiss Umar as a bungler because you'd like to dismiss
> terrorism as an act of war against the infidel. Are you part of the
> deception that Islam is a religion of peace?
>
He obviously had no help from the "Pros" who make this stuff
for Iraqi and Taliban bombers. Perfection of suicide bombs
is not a "one man show" that happens in isolation.
Dhu
>> --
>> Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
>> http://mindprod.com
>> If you give someone a program, you will frustrate them for a day; if
>> you teach them how to program, you will frustrate them for a lifetime.
--
Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu
RichTravsky
> "Roedy Green" <see_w...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
> > masterminded 9/11.
> >
> > I find this not credible. This guy was a bungling idiot. There was
> > no planning or rehearsal.
>
> Where did "bungling idiot" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab get PETN, the explosive
> used?
>
> Only a cool-aid drinker like you would dismiss Umar as a bungler.
>
> It took me some time to find an article that revealed PETN as the explosive.
> No telling what triggers went off just doing the search. I can't imagine the
> secrecy and sophistication required to obtain. It is difficult to detonate
> according to Wicipedia. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab must have known that and
> tried unsuccessfully to detonate it using a fuse of some sort. Thank God he
> wasn't sophisticated enough for success.
>
> He wasn't a bungler, he just wasn't a sophisticated bomber. Who did he get
> the PETN from? Are they sophisticated? did body moisture and movement cause
> the blasting cap to fail?
>
> Carrying out a suicide bombing isn't a simple thing but you seem to think it
> is.
>
> I think you dismiss Umar as a bungler because you'd like to dismiss
> terrorism as an act of war against the infidel. Are you part of the
> deception that Islam is a religion of peace?
He was a bungler. A stooge they gave some stuff to and told what to do with it.
Wind him up and let him - expendable.
RT
CB
"RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
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So they have 199 more tries?
CB
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/original/ew_gore.jpg
Creeeeeeeeeeeppy
RichTravsky
Not any more.
Pete
>
> CB
> http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/original/ew_gore.jpg
> Creeeeeeeeeeeppy
>
>
Some bitch body slams the Pope, and you don't complain because the body guard
breaks the leg of a Cardinal.
CB
CB
God bless him for doing his job in protecting his holiness.
--
CB
"There are a whole lot of religious people in America, including the
majority of Democrats. When we abandon the field of religious discourse --
when we ignore the debate about what it means to be a good Christian or
Muslim or Jew; when we discuss religion only in the negative sense of where
or how it should not be practiced, rather than in the positive sense of what
it tells us about our obligations toward one another; when we shy away from
religious venues and religious broadcasts because we assume that we will be
unwelcome -- others will fill the vacuum. And those who do are likely to be
those with the most insular views of faith, or who cynically use religion to
justify partisan ends"
--Barack Obama
Islamo-fascists do just that
Daniel
wrote:
> We are told the Christmas bomber was trained by the same folks that
> masterminded 9/11.
>
> I find this not credible. This guy was a bungling idiot. There was
> no planning or rehearsal.
And you know this because? Please cite your inside knowledge of Al
Queda operations.
Daniel
wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:42:55 -0500, CB wrote:
sparky
> On Dec 29, 5:08 am, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > We are told the Christmas bomber was trained by the same folks that
> > masterminded 9/11.
>
> > I find this not credible. This guy was a bungling idiot. There was
> > no planning or rehearsal.
How does a suicide bomber rehearse. he can only off himself once.
Sometimes suicide bombers have premature detonation.
Daniel
> On Dec 31, 1:43 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 29, 5:08 am, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid>
> > wrote:
>
> > > We are told the Christmas bomber was trained by the same folks that
> > > masterminded 9/11.
>
> > > I find this not credible. This guy was a bungling idiot. There was
> > > no planning or rehearsal.
>
> How does a suicide bomber rehearse. he can only off himself once.
It was said that the 9/11 hijackers rehearsed and had flown the same
flights they had hijacked. Care to try again?
CB
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traR...@hotmMOVEail.com says...
It's the same deal as the shoe-bomber, "Richard Reid." He was
expendable in two ways. One, the folks who recruited him and
supplied the bomb didn't mind him dying on the mission. Two, if
caught, he wasn't bright enough or informed enough to tell the
prosecutes who his handlers were, or how to find them.
This new bomber also doesn't know the real names or locations
of the people who recruited him and supplied the bomb. Including
the well-dressed man who allegedly helped him get on the plane.
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sparky
wrote:
> In article <4B3C2CAF.DDD91...@hotmMOVEail.com>,
> traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > CB wrote:
> > > "Roedy Green" <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
> Credit Tools, Reference, and Forum- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Just another Dune Coon sending people to meest mad Moe.
RichTravsky
> > Some bitch body slams the Pope, and you don't complain because the body
> > guard
> > breaks the leg of a Cardinal.
> >
>
> God bless him for doing his job in protecting his holiness.
He did squat. He was just collateral damage.
RichTravsky
He knows this, just as everyone does, because the guy was so clumsy a
passenger took him out.
RT
RichTravsky
> On Dec 30, 4:34 am, Duncan Patton a Campbell <campb...@neotext.ca>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:42:55 -0500, CB wrote:
> > > "Roedy Green" <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
While he was fumbling around a passenger took him out. Duh.
RT
RichTravsky
Good one.
RT
RichTravsky
> On Dec 31, 1:49 pm, sparky <sparky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 31, 1:43 pm, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 29, 5:08 am, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid>
> >
> > > > masterminded 9/11.
> >
> > > > I find this not credible. This guy was a bungling idiot. There was
> > > > no planning or rehearsal.
> >
> > How does a suicide bomber rehearse. he can only off himself once.
>
> It was said that the 9/11 hijackers rehearsed and had flown the same
> flights they had hijacked. Care to try again?
There's a bit of a difference between flying a plane and doing what the
bungler tried to do. Care to try again?
RT
CB
"RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
Hey stupid, Obama said he was connected too al Qeada, today.
Obama: al-Qaida link to Christmas terror suspect
By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer Philip Elliott, Associated Press
Writer
http://tinyurl.com/yjvkzyx
HONOLULU - President Barack Obama laid blame Saturday on an al-Qaida
affiliate for a Christmas Day terrorist plot that has led to a review of how
intelligence agencies failed to prevent the botched bombing aboard a
Detroit-bound airliner.
In his most direct public language to date, the president described the path
through Yemen of 23-year-old Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian accused
of trying to destroy Northwest Flight 253. The president also emphasized
that the United States would continue its partnerships with friendly
countries - citing Yemen, in particular - to fight terrorists and extremist
groups around the globe.
Obama's homeland security team has been piecing together just how
Abdulmutallab was able to board the plane. Officials have described flaws in
the system and by those executing the strategy and have delivered a
preliminary assessment.
A senior administration official had said the United States was increasingly
confident there was a link between Abdulmutallab and an al-Qaida affiliate,
but Obama's statement is the strongest connection between the two.
"We're learning more about the suspect," Obama said in his weekly radio and
Internet address that the White House released on Saturday as the president
vacationed in Hawaii.
"We know that he traveled to Yemen, a country grappling with crushing
poverty and deadly insurgencies. It appears that he joined an affiliate of
al-Qaida, and that this group - al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula - trained
him, equipped him with those explosives and directed him to attack that
plane headed for America," the president said.
Officials have said Abdulmutallab's father warned the U.S. Embassy in
Nigeria that his son had drifted into extremism in the al-Qaida hotbed of
Yemen. Abdulmutallab's threat was only partially digested by the U.S.
security apparatus and not linked with a visa history showing the young man
could fly to the United States.
Obama has ordered a thorough look at the shortcomings that permitted the
plot, which failed not because of U.S. actions but because the would-be
attacker was unable to ignite an explosive device.
Intelligence officials prepared for what was shaping up to be uncomfortable
hearings before Congress about miscommunication among anti-terror agencies
and sweeping changes expected under Obama's watch. The president has been
vocal in his criticism of the agencies and against extremists who would harm
the United States.
"This is not the first time this group has targeted us," Obama said. "In
recent years, they have bombed Yemeni government facilities and Western
hotels, restaurants and embassies, including our embassy in 2008, killing
one American."
"So, as president, I've made it a priority to strengthen our partnership
with the Yemeni government - training and equipping their security forces,
sharing intelligence and working with them to strike al-Qaida terrorists,"
he said.
The United States provided Yemen $67 million in training and support under
the Pentagon's counterterrorism program last year. Only Pakistan got more,
with some $112 million.
Obama said the money had been well spent: "Training camps have been struck,
leaders eliminated, plots disrupted. And all those involved in the attempted
act of terrorism on Christmas must know - you too will be held to account."
At the same time, administration officials warned this week that Obama also
would hold accountable his own government. To that end, Obama has summoned
homeland security officials from across the government to meet with him in
the White House Situation Room on Tuesday.
Obama was expected to run the meeting and press his team on how they missed
what appears to be clear connections.
--
CB
Axe Fact Check for loons
http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html
Two intelligence investigations show Bush had plenty of reason to believe
what he said in his 2003 State of the Union Address.
CB
"RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
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Hey stupid, Obama said he was connected too al Qeada, today.
CB
"RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
Hopefully a great deal many!!!
Daniel
Only AFTER the detonator failed. Nobody foiled anything.
Daniel
The passenger took him out AFTER the detonator failed, duh.
Daniel
No need to "try again". The ONLY reason the plane landed safely is
because the detonator failed.
sparky
>
> - Show quoted text -
If he has the chance he will try again. He wants his 72 virgins.
He also wants to send innocent people to meet the muslim god.
RichTravsky
> "RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> >> On Dec 29, 5:08 am, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >> > We are told the Christmas bomber was trained by the same folks that
> >> > masterminded 9/11.
> >> >
> >> > I find this not credible. This guy was a bungling idiot. There was
> >> > no planning or rehearsal.
> >>
> >> And you know this because? Please cite your inside knowledge of Al
> >> Queda operations.
> >
> > He knows this, just as everyone does, because the guy was so clumsy a
> > passenger took him out.
>
Hey stupid has nothing to do with the christmas bomber being a bungler.
RT
RichTravsky
> "RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> On Dec 29, 5:08 am, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >> > We are told the Christmas bomber was trained by the same folks that
> >> > masterminded 9/11.
> >> >
> >> > I find this not credible. This guy was a bungling idiot. There was
> >> > no planning or rehearsal.
> >>
> >> And you know this because? Please cite your inside knowledge of Al
> >> Queda operations.
> >
> > He knows this, just as everyone does, because the guy was so clumsy a
> > passenger took him out.
> >
> > RT
>
> Hey stupid, Obama said he was connected too al Qeada, today.
Hey stupid has nothing to do with the bomber being a bungler.
RT
RichTravsky
Bungler. Get over it.
RT
RichTravsky
http://www.hstoday.us/content/view/11656/149/
...
Jimmie Oxley, a researcher at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Center
of Excellence for Explosives Detection, Mitigation and Response (ALERT) at the
University of Rhode Island ...
...
"PETN is a secondary explosive so it usually requires a detonator to go off. He
didn't have a detonator, presumably because they are pretty straightforward to
detect," Oxley explained.
...
As Abdulmutallab could not have smuggled a detonator through security as Reid
did, he apparently attempted to rely on a chemical reaction to generate enough
heat to initiate an explosion with PETN--which is not an easy task.
...
DUH
RichTravsky
http://www.hstoday.us/content/view/11656/149/
...
Jimmie Oxley, a researcher at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Center
of Excellence for Explosives Detection, Mitigation and Response (ALERT) at the
University of Rhode Island ...
...
"PETN is a secondary explosive so it usually requires a detonator to go off. He
didn't have a detonator, presumably because they are pretty straightforward to
detect," Oxley explained.
...
As Abdulmutallab could not have smuggled a detonator through security as Reid
did, he apparently attempted to rely on a chemical reaction to generate enough
heat to initiate an explosion with PETN--which is not an easy task.
...
Care to try again?
RT
CB
"RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
We'll never know, he's loi'uhd up. If he was in the custody of the CIA he
would be babbling all about your kissing cousins
CB
"RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
al-Qaeda is trying alternative ways to detonate bombs. You calling is
bumbling is dismissive and childish.
They'll learn from this
>
> RT
RichTravsky
> "RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> >> On Jan 2, 11:24 pm, RichTravsky <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
> >> > Daniel wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Dec 29, 5:08 am, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > We are told the Christmas bomber was trained by the same folks that
> >> > > > masterminded 9/11.
> >> >
> >> > > > I find this not credible. This guy was a bungling idiot. There
> >> > > > was
> >> > > > no planning or rehearsal.
> >> >
> >> > > And you know this because? Please cite your inside knowledge of Al
> >> > > Queda operations.
> >> >
> >> > He knows this, just as everyone does, because the guy was so clumsy a
> >> > passenger took him out.
> >>
> >> Only AFTER the detonator failed. Nobody foiled anything.
> >
> > Bungler. Get over it.
>
> al-Qaeda is trying alternative ways to detonate bombs. You calling is
> bumbling is dismissive and childish.
>
> They'll learn from this
Your not recognizing this as bunging is dismissive of reality.
RT
RichTravsky
>
> "RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> news:4B440AE2...@hotmMOVEail.com...
> > CB wrote:
> >> "RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> >> > Daniel wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Dec 29, 5:08 am, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > We are told the Christmas bomber was trained by the same folks that
> >> >> > masterminded 9/11.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I find this not credible. This guy was a bungling idiot. There was
> >> >> > no planning or rehearsal.
> >> >>
> >> >> And you know this because? Please cite your inside knowledge of Al
> >> >> Queda operations.
> >> >
> >> > He knows this, just as everyone does, because the guy was so clumsy a
> >> > passenger took him out.
> >> >
> >> > RT
> >>
> >> Hey stupid, Obama said he was connected too al Qeada, today.
> >
> > Hey stupid has nothing to do with the bomber being a bungler.
>
He's what? English, please.
> would be babbling all about your kissing cousins
He's already babbled about your kissing cousins.
RichTravsky
Evidently not.
CB
"RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
Try what?
Your death cult friends are trying other ways to detonate explosives in
order to conceal their intent.
WTF are you arguing against?
P...@timhortons.now
"CB" <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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CB
RichTravsky
> "RichTravsky" <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
Troubles following a thread?
> Your death cult friends are trying other ways to detonate explosives in
> order to conceal their intent.
Your death cult friends thanks to Duhbya.
> WTF are you arguing against?
Learn to read a post first before responding.
RT