1,700 Royal Marines to Join the 1,200 US combat troops in Afghanistan
Bob Fuge
rubbish you have written, surely the US are trained every bit as good as the
British troops. I think this is in poor taste.
BF
"Ace" <agincourt1.don't...@spam.btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Britain is to deploy 1,700 Royal Marines to support the 1,200 US
> combat troops in Afghanistan. This follows the stunning failure of
> Operation Anaconda to flush out the remnants of Al Qaeda in Eastern
> Afghanistan.
>
> Royal Marines are more experienced than their better equipped but
> poorly trained US counterparts in mountain warfare.
>
> But Tony Blair is wrong to allow this deployment.
>
> Ever since it was Granted its independence in 1783, the US has
> continually turned to its mother country in times of need. When
> Britain refused it military aid in its war against Vietnam, it
> suffered an astonishing defeat at the hands of a rag tag army of
> peasants. But during the Gulf War it achieved a victory of sorts,
> partly due to its reliance on British soldiers and pilots. The US
> showed its gratitude by bombing many innocent British servicemen, and
> them blaming them for calling an attack on themselves!!!
>
> But that is not reason enough for Tony Blair to turn down the US pleas
> for military assistance. The reason is simply this. If Britain
> continually comes to the US's aid in times of trouble, the US will
> never learn to stand on its own two feet militarily.
>
>
> Best wishes, Ace
>
> ==============================
>
> Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
> Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
> To his full height. On, on, you noblest English.
SAINT
BD (Dave) Thompson
"Bob Fuge" <Bob....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Folks, I object to this line of comment, have you facts to back up this
> rubbish you have written, surely the US are trained every bit as good as
the
> British troops. I think this is in poor taste.
>
> BF
Ace is a troll-in-training that will never quite make the grade. Just
ignore him.
--
Dave
Jim Watt
<agincourt1.don't...@spam.btinternet.com> wrote:
>Britain is to deploy 1,700 Royal Marines to support the 1,200 US
>combat troops in Afghanistan.
Hope they don't invade Iraq by mistake given
their recent faux pas in Gibraltar ...
--
Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com
Bystander
"Ace" <agincourt1.don't...@spam.btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Britain is to deploy 1,700 Royal Marines to support the 1,200 US
Barton Whoops
<Bob....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Hi Folks, I object to this line of comment, have you facts to back up this
>rubbish you have written, surely the US are trained every bit as good as the
>British troops. I think this is in poor taste.
Ace is a well known troll. Often funny but rarely tasteful or
accurate.
Keith Willshaw
> rubbish you have written, surely the US are trained every bit as good as
the
> British troops. I think this is in poor taste.
>
He's a troll, killfile him and move on.
Keith
Please Dont feed the trolls
BigRedWingsFan
Assinhole in the killfile.
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Marty
"If 4 out of 5 people suffer from diarrhea, does that mean one enjoys it?"
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tq
"Bob Fuge" <Bob....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Folks, I object to this line of comment, have you facts to back up this
> rubbish you have written, surely the US are trained every bit as good as
the
> British troops. I think this is in poor taste.
>
> BF
Ignore the tidiot. It is a well know troll
set to cause trouble. Ignore, better still
kill file the bastard.
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Never funny.
tq
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> That's why a large number of us in alt.military.retired have good old Ass
> Assinhole in the killfile.
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> Spot the uk.legal point on this mega crosspost
Spot the F****** idiot who responds to a troll
and then posts the shite again!!!! Duhhhhh!!
BigRedWingsFan
only thin that needs trimming is your bloody hemorrhoid bloke.
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Kimi
> news:mmec9u4pdj5qh4cos...@4ax.com...
> Hi Folks, I object to this line of comment, have you facts to back up this
> rubbish you have written, surely the US are trained every bit as good as the
> British troops. I think this is in poor taste.
> > Royal Marines are more experienced than their better equipped but
> > poorly trained US counterparts in mountain warfare.
IM(limited!)E, British troops are invariably better trained than US
Army infantry.
RMC units are *certainly* better trained and more experienced than
your average US Army unit, just as US troops are far more lavishly
equipped - the amount of material US units drop behind them/waste is
phenomenal!
Look at the reports of US "mountain troops" coming down with altitude
sickness at only 2800 metres!
kimi
YMMV
David E. Powell
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> "Bob Fuge" <Bob....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> > "Ace" <agincourt1.don't...@spam.btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:mmec9u4pdj5qh4cos...@4ax.com...
>
> > Hi Folks, I object to this line of comment, have you facts to back up
this
> > rubbish you have written, surely the US are trained every bit as good as
the
> > British troops. I think this is in poor taste.
>
> > > Royal Marines are more experienced than their better equipped but
> > > poorly trained US counterparts in mountain warfare.
>
> IM(limited!)E, British troops are invariably better trained than US
> Army infantry.
Depends on the unit, though. I am sure there are quite a few US units with
good training. The guys up by the DMZ in Korea train pretty hard. Ditto
Rangers and Airborne Divisions. Then again so do British Paras.
> RMC units are *certainly* better trained and more experienced than
> your average US Army unit, just as US troops are far more lavishly
> equipped - the amount of material US units drop behind them/waste is
> phenomenal!
Hey, that's just when they get rice and beans in their MREs now....
> Look at the reports of US "mountain troops" coming down with altitude
> sickness at only 2800 metres!
Well, it isn't that uncommon, even for well qualified climbers, to get ill
or have problems at altitude. Figure in the need to operate and do military
tasks as well. They should get more acclamatization in, perhaps, but it
isn't a 100% solution.
I just hope the Brits stay safe over there. The presence of them is much
appreciated by USians.
> kimi
> YMMV
Numbercruncher95
>Look at the reports of US "mountain troops" coming down with altitude
>sickness at only 2800 metres!
the 10th mountain isn't a true mountain unit. It is an infantry unit with some
mountain training.
>RMC units are *certainly* better trained and more experienced than
>your average US Army unit,
of course, the RMC is an elite unit. However, not all the British army units
are as fit. Remember those Welsh guards running out of breath as soon as they
stepped out of their boat in the Falklands?
>IM(limited!)E, British troops are invariably better trained than US
>Army infantry.
agree.
Atila
DeadMeat
Numbercruncher95 <numbercr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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One question, Why is the European Troops doing Police Action while the
North American Troops are doing the actual fighting (US and Canadian).
I wonder if those really pretty Uniforms are Dry Clean only and we wouldn't
want to mess themup.
Your reasoning is flawed. The 10th is a Spec Ops outfit and they ARE
Mountain Trained. They are the BEST at the job at hand.
Russ
Blair (Clinton Light) is send the 1700 RMC to Afghanistan so the U.S.
Troops can give them additional training.
RUSS
Ace wrote:
> Britain is to deploy 1,700 Royal Marines to support the 1,200 US
> combat troops in Afghanistan. This follows the stunning failure of
> Operation Anaconda to flush out the remnants of Al Qaeda in Eastern
> Afghanistan.
>
> Royal Marines are more experienced than their better equipped but
> poorly trained US counterparts in mountain warfare.
>
Abyssal Depths
wrote:
>I'm sure our yankee friends are much better equipped though!!
>
Of course Ace is just a puking troll with oral and anal flatulance.
But, I got an email from a retired Intell Dweeb (ID) whose son is an
active "Always Up Front" ID and in charge of the teams doing technical
and battlefield "collection". Some interesting sights.
E.G.: The oppo corpse missing his head above the jaw but with full
beard still attached to said jaw. Took a .308 round from about 400m.
2 man sniper teams were unusually effective, early on, and at quite
long ranges.
Report from one of his team who saw a guy pop out of a cave to fire
just in time to take the incoming rocket round in his ten ring.
Spontaneous dissasembly ensued. High fives for the guy with the
launcher. The collection take of OOB intell from this one was
"sparse".
Guy in Afghan clothing with two nice neat groups of .223(?) holes
indicating he'd been hit from at least two directions. Notable fact,
corpse wearing complete British Army web gear... Circa WW II. Corpse
had no Brasso or pipeclay indicating negative membership in the
Brigade of Guards.
"Whole body" body count above 400 as of end of week. Lots of parts,
many boots with feet, much dividing by two. Many drivers licenses and
credit cards. I guess that Hertz and Enterprise were not willing to
deliver thereby hindering tactical withdrawal.
Remove Spam Blocker to reply.
Abyssal Depths
>I will take two bottles of whatever you have been drinking. Actually Tony
>Blair (Clinton Light) is send the 1700 RMC to Afghanistan so the U.S.
>Troops can give them additional training.
>
>RUSS
>
>Ace wrote:
<<<The usual blather>>>>
It's always a good idea to get as many of your troops as possible
"blooded". Training is never a substitute for the real thing. It's
very valuable to have men in units who have "seen the elephant".
And, for our allies in the English speaking nations: The current
quality of United States military personnel is really far above
anything you may have heard based on the hoary old legends of WW II
and Vietnam. They are well conditioned (no cigarettes are ever seen,
heavy alcohol consumption is officially frowned on), they are
flexible, willing to close to combat and very, very lethal. There is
very little of the old "area fire". Most of it is aimed fire.
Steve
"DeadMeat" <dh...@nospam.i70west.com> wrote in message
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>
> Numbercruncher95 <numbercr...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20020318221517...@mb-cl.aol.com...
> > kimi wrote:
> >
> > >Look at the reports of US "mountain troops" coming down with altitude
> > >sickness at only 2800 metres!
> >
> > the 10th mountain isn't a true mountain unit. It is an infantry unit
with
> some
> > mountain training.
> >
> > >RMC units are *certainly* better trained and more experienced than
> > >your average US Army unit,
> >
> > of course, the RMC is an elite unit. However, not all the British army
> units
> > are as fit. Remember those Welsh guards running out of breath as soon as
> they
> > stepped out of their boat in the Falklands?
> >
> > >IM(limited!)E, British troops are invariably better trained than US
> > >Army infantry.
> >
> > agree.
>
> One question, Why is the European Troops doing Police Action while the
> North American Troops are doing the actual fighting (US and Canadian).
Because its your war numbnuts. You have already let the Northern Alliance
do most of the fighting for you and now you complain your troops are having
to fight while European troops are not.
> I wonder if those really pretty Uniforms are Dry Clean only and we
wouldn't
> want to mess themup.
>
> Your reasoning is flawed. The 10th is a Spec Ops outfit and they ARE
> Mountain Trained. They are the BEST at the job at hand.
No - the Royal Marines are the best at this type of thing. However, the
10th are capable of doing the job and the reason for UK troops becoming
involved is to do with man power. Even the US does not have enough troops
sufficiently trained in this type of warfare to get the job done. Its not
about who is better than the other.
DeadMeat
Steve <G...@england.com> wrote in message
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> > One question, Why is the European Troops doing Police Action while the
> > North American Troops are doing the actual fighting (US and Canadian).
>
> Because its your war numbnuts. You have already let the Northern Alliance
> do most of the fighting for you and now you complain your troops are
having
> to fight while European troops are not.
I can see you already lost this one. Name calling. Really sad. But you
will
notice that there are British Soldiers but not up in the mountains. More
later.
>
> > I wonder if those really pretty Uniforms are Dry Clean only and we
> wouldn't
> > want to mess themup.
> >
> > Your reasoning is flawed. The 10th is a Spec Ops outfit and they ARE
> > Mountain Trained. They are the BEST at the job at hand.
>
> No - the Royal Marines are the best at this type of thing. However, the
> 10th are capable of doing the job and the reason for UK troops becoming
> involved is to do with man power. Even the US does not have enough troops
> sufficiently trained in this type of warfare to get the job done. Its not
> about who is better than the other.
If the Royal Marines were the best, they would be up there. Or are you
afraid
to get your little uniforms dirty. The US does have the troops alone. If
you
turn the 101st, the 82nd, Marine Recon, and a bunch of others loose, it
could
easily be a one country war. But we just ain't that greedy.
The fact is, the 10th knows this type of war, the Royal Marines don't near
as
well. Son, this is what the 10th trains for. They train in the Mountains,
hence the
name 10th Mountain. If they trained in downtown London, then you would
have a beef. If you ever get a chance, come to Colorado, US and see where
they originated. They train at High Altitude, snowy, rocky areas every day.
I think they train in NewYork State at this time but it still isn't the flat
terrain
you believe it is.
Steve
> > > Your reasoning is flawed. The 10th is a Spec Ops outfit and they ARE
Hah hah hah - the RM train in downtown london - good one - real accurate.
See ya.....ha hah hah Once again you demonstrate you know nothing. Not
related to Manuel are you ?? " I know nothing"
Iudex
I think he has accurately captured the mood of the Daily Mail. The Royal
Marines are said by the British papers to be the "best" soldiers. Americans
for their part would say that a US Marine is the best there is. The reality
is that all soldiers spend much of their time waiting around for action, and
then their prospects of surviving depend on whether there is enough backup
and whether the operation has been planned carefully enough with sufficient
support.
The British media like to pretend to themselves that Blair is a major player
and that the US President would have consulted with him before making any
major decisions. When everything else is going wrong with the country, at
least soldiering is supposed to be something Britain is good at.
In contrast, the British people would like our soldiers to come home and for
Blair to concentrate his attention on our failing railways and hospitals. We
certainly don't want to have anything to do with the proposed attack on
Iraq, according to opinion polls.
Bystander
"Barton Whoops" <bw324RE...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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GDD
"Russ" <rus...@telepath.com> wrote in message
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> I will take two bottles of whatever you have been drinking. Actually Tony
> Blair (Clinton Light) is send the 1700 RMC to Afghanistan so the U.S.
> Troops can give them additional training.
I have no wish to enter into a discussion that Ace has propgated but suffice
to say (and I think we all know it) the Royal Marines Mountain Warfare unit
is the most highly trained in the world. If you are suggesting that the
US Department of Defense is allowing British marines to use their expertise
in the area to gain further combat experience - then I agree.
Glyn
GDD
"Abyssal Depths" <woodma...@west.net> wrote in message
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Ace is a well known flamer. We all know that US Forces are well equipped
and well trained. I would just let him rave on and ignore him.
Glyn
Replacement Tommel <
><20020318221517...@mb-cl.aol.com>, numbercr...@aol.com wrote:
>
>kimi wrote:
>
>>Look at the reports of US "mountain troops" coming down with altitude
>>sickness at only 2800 metres!
>
Unless things have changed a lot since I left the 10th MTN (LI), I'd say that is
bullshit.
>the 10th mountain isn't a true mountain unit. It is an infantry unit with some
>mountain training.
>
Somewhat true. A good percentage of the infantry in the 10th MTN (LI) rotate
through Mountain Warfare School though, and Light Fighter School up at Drum
prepares you for Cold Weather Operations fairly well too.
Not all Royal Marines are Mountain Troops either AFAIK. The guys we went on
exercises with were part of the Artic Warfare Cadre.
>>RMC units are *certainly* better trained and more experienced than
>>your average US Army unit,
The Royal Marines are certainly a sharp unit, but you'll note that the 10th MTN
is not an average Army unit.
Ask the Royal Marines we trained with in Norway for their opinion of us.
>
>of course, the RMC is an elite unit. However, not all the British army units
>are as fit. Remember those Welsh guards running out of breath as soon as they
>stepped out of their boat in the Falklands?
>
>>IM(limited!)E, British troops are invariably better trained than US
>>Army infantry.
>
Sorry, while the British soldier is pretty well trained, not all of you guys are
SAS commandos (and of course, not all of us Yanks are Special Forces either).
;-P
BTW I believe Ft. Drum is a lot colder with a lot more snow and thus a more
appropriate base for Cold Weather troops than Bickleigh is. The 10th MTN should
still be in Colorado though IMHO (although working with the Canadians was fun).
-Tom
"For love of one's land is a terrible thing,
It banishes fear with the speed of a flame,
And makes us all part of the patriot game"
- Dominic Behan
Replacement Tommel <
>"DeadMeat" wrote:
>
>
>One question, Why is the European Troops doing Police Action while the
>I wonder if those really pretty Uniforms are Dry Clean only and we wouldn't
>want to mess themup.
>
>Your reasoning is flawed. The 10th is a Spec Ops outfit
While flattering, that is not true. The 10th MTN (LI) is certainly a good unit
though (which is partly why the 10th is deployed everywhere - the other part is
that the 10th MTN has always been a MOUT happy unit. There is even a CQB school
up at Drum).
> and they ARE Mountain Trained.
The Infantry for the most part is.
> They are the BEST at the job at hand.
"Best" is always a loaded word. The 10th MTN is certainly a good unit, but if I
was still in it, I wouldn't mind having a few British Royal Marines from the
Artic Warfare Brigade around or a few of the German 22nd Gerbirgsjagers around
either. They are both pretty damn good (and from what I heard, the Germans are
the best!).
-Tom
Former 10th MTN puke - "Climb to Glory"
Steve
"Replacement Tommel" <<tommel6@_feck_spam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >On 19 Mar 2002 03:15:17 GMT, in article
> ><20020318221517...@mb-cl.aol.com>, numbercr...@aol.com
wrote:
> >
> >kimi wrote:
> >
> >>Look at the reports of US "mountain troops" coming down with altitude
> >>sickness at only 2800 metres!
> >
>
> Unless things have changed a lot since I left the 10th MTN (LI), I'd say
that is
> bullshit.
>
> >the 10th mountain isn't a true mountain unit. It is an infantry unit with
some
> >mountain training.
> >
>
> Somewhat true. A good percentage of the infantry in the 10th MTN (LI)
rotate
> through Mountain Warfare School though, and Light Fighter School up at
Drum
> prepares you for Cold Weather Operations fairly well too.
>
> Not all Royal Marines are Mountain Troops either AFAIK. The guys we went
on
> exercises with were part of the Artic Warfare Cadre.
The artic warfare guys are heavily trained in moutain warfare - goes with
the terrain they were expected to fight in during the cold war - ie
Scandanavia.
> >>RMC units are *certainly* better trained and more experienced than
> >>your average US Army unit,
>
> The Royal Marines are certainly a sharp unit, but you'll note that the
10th MTN
> is not an average Army unit.
>
> Ask the Royal Marines we trained with in Norway for their opinion of us.
While the British Armed forces live to take the piss out of the US armed
forces, when it gets serious they tend to agree that the US are more than
capable of doing most jobs (except pilots) - its just that we can do it
without going ' hut hut hut hut hut hut hut hut hut ' :)
> >of course, the RMC is an elite unit. However, not all the British army
units
> >are as fit. Remember those Welsh guards running out of breath as soon as
they
> >stepped out of their boat in the Falklands?
> >
> >>IM(limited!)E, British troops are invariably better trained than US
> >>Army infantry.
> >
>
> Sorry, while the British soldier is pretty well trained, not all of you
guys are
> SAS commandos (and of course, not all of us Yanks are Special Forces
either).
> ;-P
The avergae british squaddie is better than the average yank grunt. Of
course the yanks will disagree but there ya go. As for special forces, its
horses for courses. The British Armed forces being quite small tends to
have a wide range of abilities in its special forces - hence the Royal
Marines abilities being reffered to as 'go anywhere do anything'. The US
armed forces being somewhat larger tends to have specialist units.
Invariably that means the US will have the edge in some areas but the Brits
will be more flexible.
Steve
If thats their Alpine Troops then I would agree.
Replacement Tommel <
<a76puv$97s$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Steve" wrote:
>
>Hah hah hah - the RM train in downtown London - good one - real accurate.
They train in Bickleigh, I believe (among other places).
The Royal Marine Artic Warfare Cadre is certainly a good cold weather outfit,
but I don't think Bickleigh is as cold or as snowy as Drum. Deadmeat is right
that the 10th MTN started in Colorado (where the Rockies are), but it's
currently located by the 'Dacks in NY. Unfortunately, the 'Dacks aren't quite
big as the Rockies, but since Congress feared an invasion by Canada when the
10th MTN was reactivated in the eighties they stuck it in upperstate New York
(aka "Southern Canada").
BTW you and Atila wouldn't like the 10th MTN... it has a couple of Jews in it.
>See ya.....ha hah hah Once again you demonstrate you know nothing. Not
>related to Manuel are you ??
No, Manuel is Atila. He's the Spannerd in the group. ;-P
> " I know nothing"
That's more Sgt. Schultz than Manuel. Manuel says, "Que, Mr. Fawlty?"
Paul C. Dickie
<jim...@nospam.gi> writes
>On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:30:08 +0000, Ace
><agincourt1.don't...@spam.btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>Britain is to deploy 1,700 Royal Marines to support the 1,200 US
>>combat troops in Afghanistan.
>
>their recent faux pas in Gibraltar ...
s/Iraq/Nepal
HTH.
--
< Paul >
Paul C. Dickie
.don't...@spam.btinternet.com> writes
>And that the US troops are scared of heights.
>
>"There have been reports of US troops suffering from altitude
>sickness."
Isn't that a typo for "attitude sickness" -- i.e. they don't like the
attitudes of others?
--
< Paul >
Paul C. Dickie
writes
>I will take two bottles of whatever you have been drinking. Actually Tony
>Blair (Clinton Light) is send the 1700 RMC to Afghanistan so the U.S.
>Troops can give them additional training.
I'd doubt they could use training on how to let the enemy escape...
--
< Paul >
Steve
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:37:57 -0000, in article
> <a76puv$97s$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Steve" wrote:
> >
> >Hah hah hah - the RM train in downtown London - good one - real accurate.
>
> They train in Bickleigh, I believe (among other places).
There are 3 Commando units in the Brigade; 40 Commando located at Norton
Manor near Taunton in Somerset, 42 Commando at Bickleigh, near Plymouth,
Devon and 45 Commando at Arbroath on the east coast of Scotland.
> The Royal Marine Artic Warfare Cadre is certainly a good cold weather
outfit,
> but I don't think Bickleigh is as cold or as snowy as Drum. Deadmeat is
right
> that the 10th MTN started in Colorado (where the Rockies are), but it's
> currently located by the 'Dacks in NY. Unfortunately, the 'Dacks aren't
quite
> big as the Rockies, but since Congress feared an invasion by Canada when
the
> 10th MTN was reactivated in the eighties they stuck it in upperstate New
York
> (aka "Southern Canada").
>
> BTW you and Atila wouldn't like the 10th MTN... it has a couple of Jews in
it.
I like Jews - I dislike Israeli actions towards Palestine. There is a
difference, maybe not in America, but in the rest of the world their is a
difference.
Iain Rae
The Nepalese would probably be fairly happy to see them given what's
goin on there at the moment.
Paul C. Dickie
<jim...@nospam.gi> writes
>On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:30:08 +0000, Ace
><agincourt1.don't...@spam.btinternet.com> wrote:
>>Britain is to deploy 1,700 Royal Marines to support the 1,200 US
>>combat troops in Afghanistan.
>
>Hope they don't invade Iraq by mistake given
>their recent faux pas in Gibraltar ...
s/Iraq/Tibet
--
< Paul >
DeadMeat
Replacement Tommel <<tommel6@_feck_spam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
outfit,
> but I don't think Bickleigh is as cold or as snowy as Drum. Deadmeat is
right
> that the 10th MTN started in Colorado (where the Rockies are), but it's
> currently located by the 'Dacks in NY. Unfortunately, the 'Dacks aren't
quite
> big as the Rockies, but since Congress feared an invasion by Canada when
the
> 10th MTN was reactivated in the eighties they stuck it in upperstate New
York
> (aka "Southern Canada").
At the time, it may have been believed the Canadians were massing at the
borders in preperation for an attack. But we found out that all they were
was
COLD and that was a far as they could go south and still remain in Canada:)
.
Colin Campbell
<<tommel6@_feck_spam_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On 19 Mar 2002 03:15:17 GMT, in article
>><20020318221517...@mb-cl.aol.com>, numbercr...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>kimi wrote:
>>
>>>Look at the reports of US "mountain troops" coming down with altitude
>>>sickness at only 2800 metres!
>>
>
>Unless things have changed a lot since I left the 10th MTN (LI), I'd say that is
>bullshit.
This may have been an optempo issue. I get the impression that these
troops have spent the past 6 months at an airbase in one of the former
Soviet Republics (I am not even going to try to spell the country's
name). Not a whole lot of opportunity to train.
"The commander in the field is always right and the
rear echelon is wrong, unless proved otherwise."
General Colin Powell
Peter Skelton
<'{R}'@semolina.org> wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:01:24 -0000, "GDD" <glyn.davi...@virgin.net>
>wrote:
>
>}Ace is a well known flamer. We all know that US Forces are well equipped
>}and well trained.
>
>I have just finished the book Black Hawk Down, well equipped and well trained
>idiots it would seem.
You will find idiots in any organization but I haven't met very
any in thhe US military recently (unless you count that ijit who
thinks the Ranger involvement in Nam was a victory and denies any
reorganization in the last several decades).
____
Peter Skelton
Replacement Tommel <
Nah. More like they were interested in the cheap cigarettes we have, although
some folks will tell ya it's simply 'cause NY Congress critters have more pull
then CO Congress critters do (but nah... it couldn't be that, could it?), but
having used cheap American smokes to introduce myself to a stripper or two in
Montreal, I'm sticking to my "Protect American borders from Canadians having a
nicotine fit" story. ;-P
-Tom
"For love of one's country is a terrible thing,
It banishes fear with the speed of a flame,
And makes you a part of the patriot game"
- Dominic Behan
DeadMeat
> Nah. More like they were interested in the cheap cigarettes we have,
although
> some folks will tell ya it's simply 'cause NY Congress critters have more
pull
> then CO Congress critters do (but nah... it couldn't be that, could it?),
but
> having used cheap American smokes to introduce myself to a stripper or two
in
> Montreal, I'm sticking to my "Protect American borders from Canadians
having a
> nicotine fit" story. ;-P
You are the best example of Diplomatic Reprentation::))
Numbercruncher95
>The avergae british squaddie is better than the average yank grunt.
agree, probably because many US soldiers are minorities that aren't attracted
to the military lifestyle but rather to a career field where they find less
(perceived or real) discrimination. Also, many of the white recruits are
attracted by the generous university incentives. On the other hand, the British
recruits seem to have, on average, more interest in pursuing a long term
military career.
Atila
Numbercruncher95
>Your reasoning is flawed. The 10th is a Spec Ops outfit and they ARE
>Mountain Trained.
while it is a decent infantry outfit, the 10th mountain isn't a special
operations unit by any stretch of the imagination.
>They are the BEST at the job at hand.
>
ha ha ha....
>One question, Why is the European Troops doing Police Action while the
>North American Troops are doing the actual fighting (US and Canadian).
easy, the WTC was in New York, not in the City of London. By the way, you
forget the Afghans.
>I wonder if those really pretty Uniforms are Dry Clean only and we wouldn't
>want to mess themup.
I have only seen starched field uniforms in the US armed forces, nowhere else.
Atila
a snark@bangserver.na
>
> On 19 Mar 2002 06:11:03 -0800, Replacement Tommel
> <<tommel6@_feck_spam_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On 19 Mar 2002 03:15:17 GMT, in article
> >><20020318221517...@mb-cl.aol.com>, numbercr...@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>kimi wrote:
> >>
> >>>Look at the reports of US "mountain troops" coming down with altitude
> >>>sickness at only 2800 metres!
> >>
> >
> >Unless things have changed a lot since I left the 10th MTN (LI), I'd say that is
> >bullshit.
>
> This may have been an optempo issue. I get the impression that these
> troops have spent the past 6 months at an airbase in one of the former
> Soviet Republics (I am not even going to try to spell the country's
> name). Not a whole lot of opportunity to train.
Yes, They were there from about 5 months and then
they spent the last month or so securing the
Airbase at Bagram. So optempo plays a role. Also,
it may not only be "altitude sickness" the
weather has been wet and cold off and on
throughout the past month daytime temperatures
range from 80 degrees F (27 degrees C) to around
30 degrees F (0 degrees C) depending on altitude
and the upon which particular day with ranges in a
two day period will run in the 30s on one day and
in the upper 70s the next. Night time
temperatures run from a high of 59 degrees F (15
degrees C) to below 0 degrees F (-15 or less
Celsius) add wind and cold ground and rain along
to troops that have not been acclimatized yet and
this is very physically stressful since once you
are cold in the field it is extremely difficult to
re-warm yourself and the extremes between days or
between night and day make it very difficult to
dress appropriately and engage in combat
activities. This is why the enemy fights as they
do, from shelter, and poorly at that. It is a
difficult environment for humans to function in.
Snark
--
"Be ashamed to die until you have
won some victory for humanity."
Horace Mann
steve russell
condition when they reached the falklands, being on a boat for 8,000 miles
does not help your physical condition. They had just finished a tour of
public duties at various ceremonial sites around london, again this does not
help. The majority got caught by argy bombers whilst still embarked "Sir
Galahad". They still fought like demons on wireless ridge.
If you want to see what we offer then wait to see what 45 Commando offers to
Op Anaconda - and please note, we do not regard the RM as special forces,
they are just another weapon in our impressive (personnel) armoury!
April 23 - a very special day!!!!!!!!!!
DeadMeat
steve russell <ste...@potatohead.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:a78fpt$b9d$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
And we may or may not list Marin Recon Rangers as Spec Ops either but
many times, they will operate in that capacity as will the 101st and the
82nd.
They are grunts as well.
Abyssal Depths
<'{R}'@semolina.org> wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:01:24 -0000, "GDD" <glyn.davi...@virgin.net>
>wrote:
>
>}Ace is a well known flamer. We all know that US Forces are well equipped
>}and well trained.
>
>I have just finished the book Black Hawk Down, well equipped and well trained
>idiots it would seem.
>
>{R}
When we want an opinion out a limey, we'll beat it out him.
Have a nice day.
Paul C. Dickie
writes
How about the idiot(s) who told Dubya that, by force of arms, they could
win "the war against terrorism"?
--
< Paul >
Paul C. Dickie
<'{R}'@semolina.org> writes
>On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:43:29 -0800, Abyssal Depths <woodma...@west.net>
>wrote:
>}On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:16:29 +0000, Richard Ashton
>}<'{R}'@semolina.org> wrote:
>}>On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:01:24 -0000, "GDD" <glyn.davi...@virgin.net>
>}>wrote:
>}>}Ace is a well known flamer. We all know that US Forces are well equipped
>}>}and well trained.
>}>I have just finished the book Black Hawk Down, well equipped and well trained
>}>idiots it would seem.
>}
>
>Hawk Down was written by an American.
It is unrealistic to expect "Abyssal Depths" to have read that book;
after all, it doesn't contain any pictures for him to color (sic) in.
--
< Paul >
David E. Powell
news:eXxCh+AH...@bozzie.demon.co.uk...
Would you prefer surrender? Did Britian surrender to the IRA when they
killed Mountbatten?