New Class "A" Uniform and the GWOTEM/SM
Moriarti
decided on a new BLUE class A uniform, says it came down the pipe in email
form, but she didn't think to print it out. Grrrrrr:) Anyone seen any of
this rumor?
ALSO: I got the email concerning the release (Finally!) of the GWOTEM (W/
'Battle Stars') and GWOTSM, looks like OEF/OIF/ONE are all gonna be treated
as part of the GWOT (Sort of like the Europe-Africa-Middle East Theater of
Operations Medal from WWII, but supposedly there is a "Iraqi Liberation
Medal" being voted on in Congress this year as well) link below:
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Feb2004/n02262004_200402264.html
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that we must all fear...The indifference of good men.
-The Boondock Saints
Tank Fixer
on Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:40:54 +0000 (UTC),
Moriarti moria...@btinternet.com attempted to say .....
> My wife (who is also an Army NCO) just informed my that DA has officially
> decided on a new BLUE class A uniform, says it came down the pipe in email
> form, but she didn't think to print it out. Grrrrrr:) Anyone seen any of
> this rumor?
First, welcome back...
Yes I have seen it.
The CSA has decided the Blue's will be the class A. Shirt color to be
decided.
No time frame on the switch over.
>
> ALSO: I got the email concerning the release (Finally!) of the GWOTEM (W/
> 'Battle Stars') and GWOTSM, looks like OEF/OIF/ONE are all gonna be treated
> as part of the GWOT (Sort of like the Europe-Africa-Middle East Theater of
> Operations Medal from WWII, but supposedly there is a "Iraqi Liberation
> Medal" being voted on in Congress this year as well) link below:
> http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Feb2004/n02262004_200402264.html
And the Korean Defense service medal was finially approved.
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> My wife (who is also an Army NCO) just informed my that DA
has
> officially decided on a new BLUE class A uniform, says it
came down
> the pipe in email form, but she didn't think to print it
out.
> Grrrrrr:) Anyone seen any of this rumor?
>
everytime we get a new one we get a uniform change.) has
determined that we should go back to a Blue uniform for
Class A uniforms. I haven't seen the memo but, expect it
should be out in general distribution by Monday.
> ALSO: I got the email concerning the release (Finally!) of
the GWOTEM
> (W/ 'Battle Stars') and GWOTSM, looks like OEF/OIF/ONE are
all gonna
> be treated as part of the GWOT (Sort of like the
Europe-Africa-Middle
> East Theater of Operations Medal from WWII, but supposedly
there is a
> "Iraqi Liberation Medal" being voted on in Congress this
year as
> well) link below:
>
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Feb2004/n02262004_200402264.
html
Ok.
Snark
Moriarti
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> In article <c1qucl$75c$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>,
> on Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:40:54 +0000 (UTC),
> Moriarti moria...@btinternet.com attempted to say .....
>
> > My wife (who is also an Army NCO) just informed my that DA has
officially
> > decided on a new BLUE class A uniform, says it came down the pipe in
> > form, but she didn't think to print it out. Grrrrrr:) Anyone seen any of
> > this rumor?
>
> First, welcome back...
Thanks! Actually been back for a while and mostly lurking for a while, and
seting up filters again so I can actually se the pertnant posts!
>
> Yes I have seen it.
> The CSA has decided the Blue's will be the class A. Shirt color to be
> decided.
> No time frame on the switch over.
Blues as is? No more SSI or FWSSSI or OSB???? or will it be a seperate deal?
My head hurts just thinking about it!!
:)
>
>
> >
> > ALSO: I got the email concerning the release (Finally!) of the GWOTEM
(W/
> > 'Battle Stars') and GWOTSM, looks like OEF/OIF/ONE are all gonna be
treated
> > as part of the GWOT (Sort of like the Europe-Africa-Middle East Theater
of
> > Operations Medal from WWII, but supposedly there is a "Iraqi Liberation
> > Medal" being voted on in Congress this year as well) link below:
> > http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Feb2004/n02262004_200402264.html
>
> And the Korean Defense service medal was finially approved.
Yeah I forgot about that one (of course haveing NEVER been to Korea, I
haven't followed it:)
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Moriarti (BSM)
Moriarti
uniforms if they change the Blues to the As
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Military Police Corps - Combat Tested Cops
Life Member: NRA, VFW
Member: NRP, SCTOA, MPRA, MPOA
We all fear evil men. But, there is a greater evil
that we must all fear...The indifference of good men.
-The Boondock Saints
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> "Tank Fixer" <paul.deek...@us.army.mil> wrote in
message
> news:MPG.1aaaa10e4...@news.west.earthlink.net...
>> In article <c1qucl$75c$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>,
>> on Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:40:54 +0000 (UTC),
>> Moriarti moria...@btinternet.com attempted to say
.....
>>
>>> My wife (who is also an Army NCO) just informed my that
DA has
>>> officially decided on a new BLUE class A uniform, says
it came down
>>> the pipe in email form, but she didn't think to print it
out.
>>> Grrrrrr:) Anyone seen any of this rumor?
>>
>> First, welcome back...
>
>
> Thanks! Actually been back for a while and mostly lurking
for a
> while, and seting up filters again so I can actually se
the pertnant
> posts!
>
>>>
>>> ALSO: I got the email concerning the release (Finally!)
of the
>>> GWOTEM (W/ 'Battle Stars') and GWOTSM, looks like
OEF/OIF/ONE are
>>> all gonna be treated as part of the GWOT (Sort of like
the
>>> Europe-Africa-Middle East Theater of Operations Medal
from WWII,
>>> but supposedly there is a "Iraqi Liberation Medal" being
voted on
>>> in Congress this year as well) link below:
>>>
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Feb2004/n02262004_200402264.
html
>>
>> And the Korean Defense service medal was finially
approved.
>
>
> Yeah I forgot about that one (of course haveing NEVER been
to Korea, I
> haven't followed it:)
Dreck mit Toites!!! That means two more things I have to
add to my Class As, Dress Blues (unless they become Class As
before I go AD if I do), Dress Whites, Mess Dress Blue and
Whites. Two more items of expense to add. How about they
just let me put another two stars on my AEF and let everyone
else have to go get the "fruit salad"?
Snark
ssn...@earthlink.net
> I like the Idea, but see my Qs above.... I think I may
have 2 obsolete
> uniforms if they change the Blues to the As
>
LMAO!!! I have four sets of the current Class A uniform
which will become obsolete. Good questions regarding the
FWSSSI and whether or not we'll need to have a Dress, Dress
Blue and a Class A Dress Blue uniform. I'm waiting for the
usual letter that will amend AR 670-1 to find out about it.
I hate it whenever we get a new CSA, why can't they leave
the fragging uniform alone?
Snark
SFCkimsmith
that the powers-that-be are considering ONE dress uniform for ALL services.
Anyone else hear of this? I feel bad for the officers who have to keep
purchasing all of this stuff when someone gets a whim to make a major
change....a CPT friend just spent over $400 on class A's that she has yet to
actually wear! One uniform for all services would be a shame...we need to
remain distinctive from one another. I would rather see the effort going into
redesigning the beret...make it camouflage and put a bill on it like a ball
cap. Oh yea...we already have one of those.
Mike P
> My wife (who is also an Army NCO) just informed my that DA has officially
> decided on a new BLUE class A uniform, says it came down the pipe in email
> form, but she didn't think to print it out. Grrrrrr:) Anyone seen any of
> this rumor?
Just seen you sitting there. Welcome back.
Mike
Big Gun
>Dreck mit Toites!!! That means two more things I have to
>add to my Class As, Dress Blues (unless they become Class As
>before I go AD if I do), Dress Whites, Mess Dress Blue and
>Whites. Two more items of expense to add. How about they
>just let me put another two stars on my AEF and let everyone
>else have to go get the "fruit salad"?
You know what I hate about you retired officer types? You can still
wear a uniform after retirement. Us enlisted types lose that privilege
on retirement
Mike P
"Big Gun" <big_...@hotmail.inv> wrote in message
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No you don't. I know a lot that are retired Enlisted that wear them to
functions on Post. As well as to Vet. days.
Mike
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IIRC, that if you retire from AD you're also allowed to wear the uniform
under circumstances listed in AR 670-1. You might check there.
Also, I'm hoping to return to AD as I just can't sit on the sidelines while
everyone and their brother is busting tail in my place. Makes me feel like
I'm a slacker and letting down the service and the men who serve with me.
Snark
Paul H. Lemmen
is service in and of itself. Those who are on the sharp edge are proud to
have people like you to fill the hole in the line should they fall.
Slainte,
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Just because I choose to act civilised
does not mean that I am.
Tank Fixer
on 29 Feb 2004 22:38:28 GMT,
SFCkimsmith sfcki...@aol.comspamsuks attempted to say .....
That is an unfounded rumor. How could the chief of staff of the Army make
that kind of decision ?
Big Gun
>IIRC, that if you retire from AD you're also allowed to wear the uniform
>under circumstances listed in AR 670-1. You might check there.
I'll look there but I found this here:
Pay particular attention to line (c).
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/weekly/aa102702a.htm
>Federal laws concerning the wear of the United States Military uniforms by people not on active duty are published in the United States Code (USC).
>
>Specifically, 10 USC, Subtitle A, Part II, Chapter 45, Sections 771 and 772.
>
>Section 771 states:
>
>Except as otherwise provided by law, no person except a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps, as the case may be, may wear -
>
>(1) the uniform, or a distinctive part of the uniform, of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps; or
>
>(2) a uniform any part of which is similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps
>
>Section 772 lists some exceptions:
>
>(a) A member of the Army National Guard or the Air National Guard may wear the uniform prescribed for the Army National Guard or the Air National Guard, as the case may be.
>
>(b) A member of the Naval Militia may wear the uniform prescribed for the Naval Militia.
>
>(c) A retired officer of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps may bear the title and wear the uniform of his retired grade.
>
>(d) A person who is discharged honorably or under honorable conditions from the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps may wear his uniform while going from the place of discharge to his home, within three months after his discharge.
>
>(e) A person not on active duty who served honorably in time of war in the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps may bear the title, and, when authorized by regulations prescribed by the President, wear the uniform, of the highest grade held by him during that war.
>
>(f) While portraying a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps, an actor in a theatrical or motion-picture production may wear the uniform of that armed force if the portrayal does not tend to discredit that armed force.
>
>(g) An officer or resident of a veterans' home administered by the Department of Veterans Affairs may wear such uniform as the Secretary of the military department concerned may prescribe.
>
>(h) While attending a course of military instruction conducted by the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps, a civilian may wear the uniform prescribed by that armed force if the wear of such uniform is specifically authorized under regulations prescribed by the Secretary of the military department concerned.
>
>(i) Under such regulations as the Secretary of the Air Force may prescribe, a citizen of a foreign country who graduates from an Air Force school may wear the appropriate aviation badges of the Air Force.
>
>(j) A person in any of the following categories may wear the uniform prescribed for that category:
>
>(1) Members of the Boy Scouts of America.
>
>(2) Members of any other organization designated by the Secretary of a military department
>
Big Gun
From AR 670-1
30–1. Occasions of ceremony
a. As used in this regulation, the phrase “occasions of ceremony”
means occasions essentially of a military
character, at which the uniform is more appropriate than civilian
clothing. These functions include, but are not limited
to: military balls, military parades, weddings, and military funerals;
memorial services, meetings and conferences; or
functions of associations formed for military purposes, of which the
membership is composed largely or entirely of
current or honorably discharged veterans of the Armed Forces or
reserve components. Authority to wear the uniform
includes wear while traveling to and from the ceremony or function,
provided the travel in uniform can be completed
on the day of the ceremony or function.
b. All persons wearing the Army uniform will wear awards, decorations,
and insignia in the same manner as
prescribed in this regulation for active duty soldiers. For civilian
attire, individuals may wear only those awards,
decorations, or insignia authorized by this regulation for wear on
civilian clothing, in the same manner and approximate
location as the equivalent military uniform.
I guess we can if the occasion demands it.
redc1c4
formerly HHC 1st BDE, 40th ID, SFC Smith?
redc1c4,
just curious
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considerable watching."
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From AR 670-1 dtd 2002, July 1 pp.323-324
30-3. Wear of the uniform by retired personnel
a. Personnel who will be advanced to a higher grade upon
retirement have the option of wearing the insignia of that
grade thereafter.
b. Retired personnel on active duty will wear their uniform
and insignia in the same manner as prescribed for
personnel in the Active Army of corresponding grade and
branch.
c. Retired personnel not on active duty may wear either the
uniform reflecting their grade and branch on the date of
their retirement, or the uniform for personnel in the Active
Army of corresponding grade and branch, when appropriate,
but may not intermix the two uniforms. Personnel will wear
the grade as shown on the retired grade of rank line on the
retirement order.
(3) Retired personnel may wear the shoulder sleeve insignia
for former wartime service (SSI-FWTS) on the right
shoulder if they were authorized wear of the SSI-FWTS while
on active duty.
e. Retired personnel not on active duty are not authorized
to wear the Army uniform when they are instructors or
responsible for military discipline at an educational
institution, unless the educational institution is
conducting courses
of instruction approved by the Armed Forces.
f. In addition to the occasions for wear listed above,
retired personnel are authorized to wear the uniform only on
the
following occasions. Uniforms for these occasions are
restricted to service and dress uniforms; the BDU and
physical
fitness uniforms will not be worn.
(1) While attending military funerals, memorial services,
weddings, inaugurals, and other occasions of ceremony.
(2) Attending parades on national or state holidays, or
other patriotic parades or ceremonies in which any active or
reserve United States military unit is taking part. Wear of
the Army uniform at any other time, or for any other purpose
than stated above is prohibited.
30-4. Wear of the uniform by former members of the Army
a. Unless qualified under another provision of this
regulation, or under the provisions of section 772, title
10, United
States Code (10 USC 772), former members of the Army may
wear the uniform if they served honorably during a
declared or undeclared war, and if their most recent service
was terminated under honorable conditions. Personnel who
qualify under these conditions will wear the Army uniform in
the highest grade they held during such war service, in
accordance with 10 USC 772.
b. The uniform is authorized for wear only for the following
ceremonial occasions, and when traveling to and from
the ceremony or function. Uniforms for these occasions are
restricted to service and dress uniforms; the BDU and
physical fitness uniforms will not be worn.
(1) When attending military funerals, memorial services,
weddings, inaugurals, and other occasions of ceremony.
(2) When attending parades on national or state holidays, or
other patriotic parades or ceremonies in which any active or
reserve United States military unit is taking part. Wear of
the Army uniform at any other time, or for any
other purpose than stated above, is prohibited.
30-5. Wear of the uniform by Medal of Honor recipients.
Personnel awarded the Medal of Honor may wear the Army
uniform at their pleasure, except under the circumstances
in paragraph 1-10j.
Hope that clears up the issue. :-)
Snark
Moriarti
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>
>
> Just seen you sitting there. Welcome back.
>
> Mike
>
> >
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John Moskal
Marine Times some time ago that the Army had contemplated a new uniform,
but the stealing the black beret from the Rangers seemed to be the word
of the day. I do not really like seeing all soldiers with berets since
it removed the incentive to be unique. However, I am an old fart now and
it really makes no difference since I am not in anymore. The issue of
the class "A" uniform which you should be writing about is the simple
thing the Marines do and that is have all the soldiers purchase dress
blues before graduating boot camp. Problem solved, the Army dress blue
is a pretty good looking uniform and I have met some long timers that
really like it. There is your answer to the question you should have
been asking Now go write your congressman !
Big Gun
>Hope that clears up the issue. :-)
Sure. I saw all that as well as the part I quoted, it just seemed like
too much to paste here. I guess the bottom line is that we can still
wear the uniform as retirees for the right occasion.
ssn...@earthlink.net
Yep. I almost did for the Veteran's Day parade last year in
our home town, but was talked out of it by my former SO.
Snark
SFCkimsmith
redc1c4
>
> Nope.
didn't seem likely...... welcome to our hooch, regardless.
SOA redc1c4,
resident bartender
Rocket
Lemmen - you are poser. You are nothing but a fraud. There is no way
someone that fat and old would ever be allowed to fly a helicopter,
much less do the things you allude to. I doubt you could run 25 yards
without collapsing. I hope a real Vet catches you in that uniform and
kicks the crap out of you.
Rocket
Lemmen you are a poser, a fraud. You need to scuttle back under
whatever rock you came from.