car-pooling costs

[Jennifer Sass]

Car-poolers should remember to contribute to the driver's fuel costs
and shuttle costs, and a bit extra for wear and tear to the vehicle.
Does $25 per free-loader seems fair? What do the drivers think?

It would be nice to agree on some standard payment so that drivers
weren't left with the uncomfortable burden of "charging" passengers,
and so that prices didn't vary by driver, thus possibly creating
uncomfortable feelings.

Thoughts?

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Liquid Adventures Kayak School
<off...@liquidadventures.org> wrote:
> Dear Cheat Training,
>
>  Again we are headed to the Cheat on Saturday, and we may get another
> low-ish water day.  We will meet again at the Park and Ride at 6:30 AM
> for carpool and drive to the Albright put-in at 10 AM to drop our
> boats off and change clothes.
>
>  Drivers will then go to the Jenkinsburg take-out (be sure that you
> have a high clearance vehicle) and to be shuttled back to the put-in.
> For those who are not driving, instead of waiting for the drivers at
> the put-in, we are going to try to arrange it so that you can begin
> your run without waiting.  This will be a way for the faster groups to
> get in a second run (if anyone wants to forgo the beer fest at the
> take-out).
>
>  I will ask the drivers to contribute $10 for the shuttle.
>
>  Even with the lower levels the Cheat is still great fun and you will
> gradually learn the rapids, hopefully being able to enter the race on
> Friday, May 4.   Here is a link to the Cheat Race page with the
> registration form and waivers at the bottom: http://cheat.org/festival/downriver-race
>
>   See you Saturday    -   Tom
>
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[Liquid Adventures Office]

Jennifer,

Last week everyone in the van chipped in $25. That was about right to cover the gas in the van. - Tom

Tom McEwan
Director, Liquid Adventures Kayak School
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[ERICO...@aol.com]

Lets have auctions for the van seats, the best ones going to the high bidders.

[Marhefka, Tanya]

In my opinion, the driver should not have to pay for any gas or for the shuttle. I agree everyone should pay for "wear and tear" on top of that amount. $25 sounds much too low for gas. I believe we paid around $65 per person (three tanks of gas).

Tanya Marhefka
Vice President of Residential Management
B. F. Saul Company
7501 Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 1500
Bethesda, MD 20814
301-986-6226 (o)
301-986-6301 (f)
202-498-1208 (c)

[Ifarraguerri, Carlos]

Wow Tanya, you should be Tom's financial advisor.

Carlos Ifarraguerri
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office: 202-651-2441
mobile: 703-626-5061

[Jennifer Sass]

Tanya, are you talking about a one-day out-and-back Cheat trip, or a
full weekend with the Cheat and then creeking class?

[Marhefka, Tanya]

One day, that is what we contributed last Saturday. I was grateful that our driver agreed to bring his car and that it did not appear to be damaged from the trip. I also shared in the driving.

If you are willing to bring your car/truck/van - I am a good person passenger!

Tanya

[John Munnell]

Clearly, this group is dominated by a bunch of "tax and spend"
Democrats! :-) Given the varying nature of vehicles, situations and
personalities, I think free market forces should determine
contributions. And there should be a chicken in every pot!

Those riding with me have to listen to bad music, get to pee only when I
have to, and watch me eat vast quantities of unhealthy foods (at least
according to Jen and Juliana). My gear stinks, so the car smells bad.
And people generally fall asleep because I'm really boring. Tolerating
all that is surely payment enough.

JOHN

[Jonathan Stevens]

Can I ride with you next weekend???

 

Jonathan Stevens
Email:jonatha...@alum.mit.edu
US Mobile Phone: +1 (202) 415 9437

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[Juliana S. O'Neill]

Nope, sorry Jonathan. I handle the seat booking for Mr. Munnell and currently there are no openings. If there were opening, please be advised that one has to be fluent in German or incredibly Sassy to be considered.

Best regards,

Juliana

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[Jennifer Sass]

Okay, its clear that my attempts to standardize this
pay-for-free-loading process, and my hopes to avoid guilt and
uncomfortable feelings about charging too much (drivers) or
under-paying (passengers) has failed. However, we have established
that something between $25 and $65 is the range we are working within.
We have also established that everyone will want Tanya in their car.
And, we have established that John Munnell doesn't like to pay his
taxes. I guess that is a start. :)

Other thoughts welcomed.....

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[John Munnell]

Hey, don't say that out LOUD! Jeannine might hear you and turn me in. :-)

JOHN

[Jonathan Stevens]

Hi Juliana,

I'm Sassy, have some swagger and speak NYC Yiddish Hipster slang...that should be good enough for a reformed bread eater, like yourself.

No goose stepping, though, that's all over now!!!

 

Jonathan 

Email:jonatha...@alum.mit.edu
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[Graham White]

What are you driving that eats 3 tanks of gas?! My beast of a truck only
uses $100 of gas. That said I will happily sell tickets in my vehicle for
$65. Alas I will miss this week though.:(

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[Jonathan Stevens]

Does part of being considered "sassy" have something to do with boat size oriented comments, because such comment should be weighted w/ a length to weight ratio, which would put you in a play boat for "attaining workouts", is that sassy enough? 

 

Jonathan 

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[Jeannine Hagan]

Don't forget Drivers - that reimbursement is income to you and has to be reported on your 2012 return.

Passengers - please issue a 1099-Misc to each driver that you ride with by 2/2/13

Jeannine P. Hagan, CPA, MST, CSEP
Ross, Langan & McKendree, LLP
7900 Westpark Dr, Suite T420
McLean, VA 22102
(T) 703-893-2660, ext 334
(F) 703-893-2123

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[Jennifer Sass]

Jeannine - that seriously made me laugh out loud! I miss you on the
river with us!!!

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[Jennifer Sass]

Yea, i share Graham's thought as well. My car carrying three boats and
passengers uses about 3/4 of a tank each way. Cost is about $40-$50
per tank. So, even high-estimating two full tanks (one each way), and
high-estimating $50/tank, the trip is a total of $100. If I have three
passengers, and we each pay $25 then that covers it.

Passengers should be paying their share of gas, the drivers shuttle
($10 total) and a bit extra for wear and tear. Putting the driver's
kids through Princeton seems like a bit much to expect.

[Jonathan Stevens]

Just write it off as: professional development or physical therapy, certainly not "mental health"!!!

 

Jonathan 

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I also laughed out loud and loved the joke --Jeaninne's !

Take care Jeannine and I really look forward to the end of tax season when you can join us again!
Carrie

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[Ken Erskine]

Ass, gas or grass. Nobody rides for free.

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[Bobby German]

Wear and tear - $5

Gas - $25

Listening to Diego's gibberish - PRICELESS!!

[Jennifer Sass]

So basically we've established that about $25-$30/free-loader is
reasonable, kenny will take anything that smokes or can be mowed,
diego doesn't make sense, tanya will be very popular, john will pay
his taxes after all, jeannine misses us, and tom needs a business
manager.

Thanks all, for your thoughtful input. :)

-jen

[george...@comcast.net]

Tom needs a business manager?  Obviously not.

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