a bit over a year ago we founded an e.V. (registered association in
Germany), with the purpose of holding the ownership of the
"unhosted.org" domain name (making sure nobody creates a commercial
business out of it without the consent of the others), and of being
able to receive donations directly via paypal and POBS (plain old
banking system). What we found out later was that a lot of donations
(notably nlnet, but also flattr and Wau Holland Stiftung for instance)
could actually go directly to us as persons, and we didn't need an
e.V. for that. So from the initial T-shirts campaign with which the
e.V. was started and sporadic subsequent donations, we routed roughly
the following sums of money through it:
Routed through the e.V.:
via paypal: 4042+740+690-305+16.36 = 5183.36
via berliner bank: 95+33 = 108
Not routed through the e.V.:
via flattr: 74.48+305 = 379.48
from nlnet: 30000+5000+500 = 35500
from crisp: 500 = 500
In theory the e.V. shouldn't have to pay any tax over this because we
have a non-profit goal, but in the end after various emails, letters
and the tax office hanging up the phone on us, we agreed to pay them
the random amount of 112,60 euros which they asked for (which is about
the same amount as what we paid to paypal and to Berliner Bank in
exchange for their services).
Since it was so hard to talk to the tax office, we decided that we
don't want to use the e.V. anymore as a legal person to route money
through, and will just ask donators to transfer their donations
directly to specific people. The e.V. will still be the official owner
of the "unhosted.org" domain name though.
On Sunday (9 september, the official project birthday) at 8pm Unhošť
time (which is the same timezone as Germany, France, etcetera) we will
have a very quick general e.V. meeting on irc (the #unhosted channel
on freenode, accessible via
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#unhosted ) with the following
agenda:
- what the donations money was spent on
- the decision to close down the centralized donations pot and route
no more donations/money through the e.V.
please reply to this thread if you have any questions or remarks about
this, that way the actual meeting can be more efficient. hope this is
ok with everyone.
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Michiel de Jong <mich...@unhosted.org> wrote:
> - the decision to close down the centralized donations pot and route
> no more donations/money through the e.V.
Just for clarification: This essentially means we will close down the
unhosted Paypal account and the Flattr account.
Instead, we will have a support/donation info page with app authors,
people working on the different repos, people working on code, design
etc, storage providers … and options to Flattr them and donate to
them. Kind of a mini-Kickstarter site for all things related to
unhosted web apps and remoteStorage, except that there’s no central
authority where the money gets routed through.
Will that page or mini-kickstarter site be easy enough to see...
1. A list of the names of developers.
2. A donation button (or buttons) next to each of the developers name.
3. A 1 line mini bio and what they are each working on towards any
particular roadmap of development of unhosted type architecture.
???
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Jan-Christoph Borchardt <
h...@jancborchardt.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Michiel de Jong <mich...@unhosted.org>
> wrote:
> > - the decision to close down the centralized donations pot and route
> > no more donations/money through the e.V.
> Just for clarification: This essentially means we will close down the
> unhosted Paypal account and the Flattr account.
> Instead, we will have a support/donation info page with app authors,
> people working on the different repos, people working on code, design
> etc, storage providers … and options to Flattr them and donate to
> them. Kind of a mini-Kickstarter site for all things related to
> unhosted web apps and remoteStorage, except that there’s no central
> authority where the money gets routed through.
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Thad Guidry <thadgui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Will that page or mini-kickstarter site be easy enough to see...
> 1. A list of the names of developers.
> 2. A donation button (or buttons) next to each of the developers name.
> 3. A 1 line mini bio and what they are each working on towards any
> particular roadmap of development of unhosted type architecture.
> ???
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Jan-Christoph Borchardt
> <h...@jancborchardt.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Michiel de Jong <mich...@unhosted.org>
>> wrote:
>> > - the decision to close down the centralized donations pot and route
>> > no more donations/money through the e.V.
>> Just for clarification: This essentially means we will close down the
>> unhosted Paypal account and the Flattr account.
>> Instead, we will have a support/donation info page with app authors,
>> people working on the different repos, people working on code, design
>> etc, storage providers … and options to Flattr them and donate to
>> them. Kind of a mini-Kickstarter site for all things related to
>> unhosted web apps and remoteStorage, except that there’s no central
>> authority where the money gets routed through.
> a bit over a year ago we founded an e.V. (registered association in
> Germany), with the purpose of holding the ownership of the
> "unhosted.org" domain name (making sure nobody creates a commercial
> business out of it without the consent of the others), and of being
> able to receive donations directly via paypal and POBS (plain old
> banking system). What we found out later was that a lot of donations
> (notably nlnet, but also flattr and Wau Holland Stiftung for instance)
> could actually go directly to us as persons, and we didn't need an
> e.V. for that. So from the initial T-shirts campaign with which the
> e.V. was started and sporadic subsequent donations, we routed roughly
> the following sums of money through it:
> Routed through the e.V.:
> via paypal: 4042+740+690-305+16.36 = 5183.36
> via berliner bank: 95+33 = 108
> Not routed through the e.V.:
> via flattr: 74.48+305 = 379.48
> from nlnet: 30000+5000+500 = 35500
> from crisp: 500 = 500
> In theory the e.V. shouldn't have to pay any tax over this because we
> have a non-profit goal, but in the end after various emails, letters
> and the tax office hanging up the phone on us, we agreed to pay them
> the random amount of 112,60 euros which they asked for (which is about
> the same amount as what we paid to paypal and to Berliner Bank in
> exchange for their services).
> Since it was so hard to talk to the tax office, we decided that we
> don't want to use the e.V. anymore as a legal person to route money
> through, and will just ask donators to transfer their donations
> directly to specific people. The e.V. will still be the official owner
> of the "unhosted.org" domain name though.
> On Sunday (9 september, the official project birthday) at 8pm Unhošť
> time (which is the same timezone as Germany, France, etcetera) we will
> have a very quick general e.V. meeting on irc (the #unhosted channel
> on freenode, accessible via
> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#unhosted ) with the following
> agenda:
> - what the donations money was spent on
> - the decision to close down the centralized donations pot and route
> no more donations/money through the e.V.
> please reply to this thread if you have any questions or remarks about
> this, that way the actual meeting can be more efficient. hope this is
> ok with everyone.
On Sunday, September 9, 2012 8:16:29 PM UTC+2, Michiel de Jong wrote:
> this is now.
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Michiel de Jong <mic...@unhosted.org<javascript:>> > wrote: > > hi!
> > a bit over a year ago we founded an e.V. (registered association in > > Germany), with the purpose of holding the ownership of the > > "unhosted.org" domain name (making sure nobody creates a commercial > > business out of it without the consent of the others), and of being > > able to receive donations directly via paypal and POBS (plain old > > banking system). What we found out later was that a lot of donations > > (notably nlnet, but also flattr and Wau Holland Stiftung for instance) > > could actually go directly to us as persons, and we didn't need an > > e.V. for that. So from the initial T-shirts campaign with which the > > e.V. was started and sporadic subsequent donations, we routed roughly > > the following sums of money through it:
> > Routed through the e.V.: > > via paypal: 4042+740+690-305+16.36 = 5183.36 > > via berliner bank: 95+33 = 108
> > Not routed through the e.V.: > > via flattr: 74.48+305 = 379.48 > > from nlnet: 30000+5000+500 = 35500 > > from crisp: 500 = 500
> > In theory the e.V. shouldn't have to pay any tax over this because we > > have a non-profit goal, but in the end after various emails, letters > > and the tax office hanging up the phone on us, we agreed to pay them > > the random amount of 112,60 euros which they asked for (which is about > > the same amount as what we paid to paypal and to Berliner Bank in > > exchange for their services).
> > Since it was so hard to talk to the tax office, we decided that we > > don't want to use the e.V. anymore as a legal person to route money > > through, and will just ask donators to transfer their donations > > directly to specific people. The e.V. will still be the official owner > > of the "unhosted.org" domain name though.
> > On Sunday (9 september, the official project birthday) at 8pm Unhošť > > time (which is the same timezone as Germany, France, etcetera) we will > > have a very quick general e.V. meeting on irc (the #unhosted channel > > on freenode, accessible via > > http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#unhosted ) with the following > > agenda:
> > - what the donations money was spent on > > - the decision to close down the centralized donations pot and route > > no more donations/money through the e.V.
> > please reply to this thread if you have any questions or remarks about > > this, that way the actual meeting can be more efficient. hope this is > > ok with everyone.
