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 More options Sep 27 2012, 12:27 pm
From: ddurant <dduran...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:27:07 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Sep 27 2012 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: Compare the facts (Ultimaker and Replicator 2)

> The lower the platform the more wobble you see in the final model.

Though I don't double people have observed this, I've never really
understood it. The platform's attached in the same way throughout the Z
range and unless something is pushing on it, I don't see why it would
wobble more at one spot than another. If anything, it seems like it might
wobble less as it goes lower since it's farther away from the
unconstrained-top of the screw.. It would take more money and a bit more
redesign but I wonder if adding a guide rods or 2 in the front would help.

Maybe that's a discussion for a different thread, though. Don't mean to go
too far off-topic here...

On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:09:32 AM UTC-4, Daid wrote:
> The UM+ has some problems, that's why they never released an upgrade kit.
> There are 2 UM+ versions, the one from Ultimaker and the one from
> Protospace. Both show Z-wobble in the final print. The lower the platform
> the more wobble you see in the final model.
> With tall objects it also became more and more difficult to get the object
> to stick to the bed during the whole print.

> I think an UM+ upgrade kit could be assembled by the community. What you
> need is:
> -Longer Z screw
> -Longer Z guides, but maybe these need to be thicker to remove the Z
> wobble.
> -New side panels (should be possible to design from the thingiverse
> lasercut stuff)
> -Extension cables for the steppers and other electronics.

> It's quite easy to extend the Z size, unlike the X/Y size which would
> require stronger guides or they would flex.

> On Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:48:11 PM UTC+2, ddurant wrote:

>> > ...Because if more accurate systems are going to become mainstream,
>> then FDM
>> > machines will become the matrix printer of 3D. Right now people are
>> still amazed by
>> > 3D printing, even if the resulting prints are rough and inaccurate. But
>> that will
>> > change quickly.

>> It seems like SLA will always be relatively small machines. Or the
>> tub-type will be anyway - if somebody came up with a way to do SLA without
>> having to have a pool of goo, it would be easier to go bigger. Powder
>> printers, also known for high-detail, are a bit of a turn off for me
>> because they have a much bigger footprint and seem like they'd be prone to
>> making a mess of the place - more of a shop machine than a home machine.

>> So... I'm not worried about FDM going away any time soon. SLA will
>> probably grow in popularity but I think it will be limited to smaller
>> machines.

>> What I'd like to see from UM is some different sized machines. I thought
>> the UM+ was awesome - saw one last year at MF:NYC - and if they offered an
>> upgrade kit, I'd be the first in line. I'd also like to see a machine
>> capable of doing ~500mm cubes, preferrably fed by pellets instead of
>> filament. Even though UM is one of the bigger printers out there, I still
>> sometimes wish it was bigger - having a .5m build area would open it up to
>> a lot more applications.

>> I also think they should offer a metal version. This is one of the
>> few things MBI did right - we've known for years that the general public
>> looks down on the wooden frames. Have a note on the store that says "wood
>> is plenty strong and cheaper but if you want metal, here's the option." I
>> know it's not necessarily an easy thing to actually do this but it would
>> look a lot better, which is sometimes important..

>> On Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:37:22 AM UTC-4, Gijs wrote:

>>> The biggest step I see now is the fact that MB has opened a store where
>>> the average consumer is able to see and buy a working 3D printer. I'm not
>>> saying this is the first time that a 3D printer is available in a consumer
>>> store (I believe the first was a BfB at Bijenkorf in the Netherlands sold
>>> by Freedom Of Creation) but this is a clear sign that UM should take a
>>> closer look at.

>>> Because isn't this what the original Reprap project is about? to put
>>> personal creation in the hands of people. MB seems to be confident enough
>>> about their product to take that step.

>>> UM is certainly not ready for that and I wonder if they will ever be.
>>> Because if more accurate systems are going to become mainstream, then FDM
>>> machines will become the matrix printer of 3D. Right now people are still
>>> amazed by 3D printing, even if the resulting prints are rough and
>>> inaccurate. But that will change quickly.

>>> cheers,
>>> Gijs


 
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