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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:47:12 -0400
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That sounds good with your friend starting up an independent collection
site.

Maybe PrintVerse or 3D-Verse.

I never was comfortable with a company financially tied to a specific
product.

Bertho

 

From:  Taylor Alexander  Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 08:53



My friend was designing a very nice new alternative to thingiverse, but he
never launched because there just wasn't much of a reason for people to stop
using thingiverse. However, I think that day has finally come, so I've shot
him a message urging him to launch ASAP, even in beta form. Last I saw it
had all the necessary basic functionality, and he had a lot of other cool
ideas for things.

 

He wanted it to be a *better* thingiverse, but it only got so far as
matching thingiverse features. The better stuff (github integration, etc)
was farther out. But its clear now that people just need a safe open place
to put their designs that will never try to take ownership from them.

 

Stay tuned on that, I'll keep you guys updated if he launches.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Gijs de Zwart <gijsdezw...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Pretty sad indeed. This is a sneaky way to build (on) a large community and
drop them when you no longer need them. When looking at their blog,
everything seems to be closed now: the bot itself, new software(Miracle
Grue) and new project format (.thing)

But this is probably because of the 'strings attached' to large capital
investment. Those people want their investment back...

 

Maybe it is time for a new thingiverse? I'm going to remove my designs
shortly anyway until this has been sorted!

 

cheers,

Gijs


On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Alexander Baloche <a.balo...@ultimaker.com>
wrote:

.....Its strange how a design can tell something about the intent of a
company...

Today is my day off and i was looking at the forum updates and checking out
the new replicator II designs.

What immediately struck me was the strangely red M on the pitch black frame,
its seemed a bit overly demonic in my eyes. 

The technical aspects may or may not be true but this weird vibe kept me
busy during my grocery shopping, partly because i read an article yesterday
in the economist about 3d printing and the way status quo manufacturing
companies, IP lawyers and indirectly venture capitalists would react, see
here
<http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/09/3d-printing?test=babbage> ,
(I was planning to twitter this next monday now i am not so sure ) as you
can see  the projected 'solutions' of this pesky innovation is not good for
the open disruptive nature of 3d printing.

I started wondering how i would do it, if my goal was to encapsulate the 3d
printing innovation.

1)drop the community, because they would become resistant to the switch from
open to closed source.

2)try and make the product much much better in performance (as far ahead as
possible) then the current competition so new buyers at first glace would
see my product as the most obvious and best choice, and simultaneously make
my product closed source hardware.

3)make a dedicated pipeline, eg upgrade the software (the slicer), integrate
it to the product so your stuck with using that software and make it closed
source, with or without proprietary file types.

4) streamline the input eg. design the software in such a way that you can
only get new stuff from 'trusted' distributors...in this case that would
mean that the TOC for thingiverse needs to be changed so that the
proprietary right would be of thingiverse and not of designers and that you
can only get new content if you download it from thingiverse.

*	this would also imply that somehow your creative designs on your own
computer should be streamline eg. yes you can design it on your computer but
if you want to print it you have to upload it to thingiverse, actually this
is where a specific file type would be handy, a file type which you can only
get when uploading to thingiverse and which can only be used on my
proprietary slicer software, and sell it to the public as better than CAD
for prints which would technically be true, since  the slicer software has
been specifically designed to screw up CAD file. The next step would be to
make a proprietary 3d modeling application which you can use directly on
your makerbot but for that to happen you need to be the industry standard,
so expect this to be a 'new' feature if my plan succeeds. (insert evil laugh
here).

But the problem with this strategy is that you are dealing with highly
intelligent communities who will not take these kinds of changes laying down
so it would have to be slow and evenly like apple is doing with its iphone
and other products.

 Please see  'occupy thingivers
<http://marcuswolschon.blogspot.nl/2012/09/occupy-thingiverse.html> e' (the
post of this person is a bit draft-like but then all this is happening NOW)
, as you can see they are making some haste, which means they are afraid of
something....I suspect the reason for this fear is that once 3d printing has
hit critical mass (early adopter phase) people will not accept these changes
anymore and you would have to back engineer this whole process which is much
more risky because you could loose a big part of your revenue stream.

....I find it really strange how a design can tell so much about the intent
of a company......


Op woensdag 19 september 2012 21:42:50 UTC+2 schreef bbum het volgende:

Makerbot v2.0 has been announced.

 

http://store.makerbot.com/replicator2.html#overview

 

Neat design.  Looks quite nice.

 

Interesting to note that it seems to be going PLA only.  Nice large build
volume, too.

 

Overall, the design is quite similar to the Ultimaker.   Gantry style with
bed moving in Z only.   The gantry looks quite a bit simpler than the
Ultimaker in that the X axis hangs directly from the Y axis.   This
obviously requires a bunch of additional weight to be carried around on the
axis, but certainly simplifies the gantry design.

 


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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>That sounds good with your friend starting up an independent =
collection site.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Maybe PrintVerse or 3D-Verse.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I never was comfortable with a company financially tied to a specific =
product.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:26.0pt;font-family:"Vladimir =
Script";color:#365F91'>Bertho<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<b>&nbsp;</b>Taylor Alexander&nbsp; <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 20, =
2012 08:53<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My friend =
was designing a very nice new alternative to thingiverse, but he never =
launched because there just wasn't much of a reason for people to stop =
using thingiverse. However, I think that day has finally come, so I've =
shot him a message urging him to launch ASAP, even in beta form. Last I =
saw it had all the necessary basic functionality, and he had a lot of =
other cool ideas for things.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>He wanted it to be a *better* thingiverse, but it only =
got so far as matching thingiverse features. The better stuff (github =
integration, etc) was farther out. But its clear now that people just =
need a safe open place to put their designs that will never try to take =
ownership from them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Stay tuned on that, I'll keep you guys =
updated if he launches.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, =
Sep 20, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Gijs de Zwart &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:gijsdezw...@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">gijsdezw...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Pretty sad indeed. This is a sneaky way to build (on) =
a large community and drop them when you no longer need them. When =
looking at their blog, everything seems to be closed now: the bot =
itself, new software(Miracle Grue) and new project format =
(.thing)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>But this is probably =
because of the 'strings attached' to large capital investment. Those =
people want their investment back...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Maybe it is time for a new thingiverse? I'm going to =
remove my designs shortly anyway until this has been =
sorted!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gijs<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:02 PM, =
Alexander Baloche &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a.balo...@ultimaker.com" =
target=3D"_blank">a.balo...@ultimaker.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>.....Its strange how a design =
can tell something about the intent of a company...<br><br>Today is my =
day off and i was looking at the forum updates and checking out the new =
replicator II designs.<br><br>What immediately struck me was the =
strangely red M on the pitch black frame, its seemed a bit overly =
demonic in my eyes. <br><br>The technical aspects may or may not be true =
but this weird vibe kept me busy during my grocery shopping, partly =
because i read an article yesterday in the economist about 3d printing =
and the way status quo manufacturing companies, IP lawyers and =
indirectly venture capitalists would react, see <a =
href=3D"http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/09/3d-printing?test=3D=
babbage" target=3D"_blank">here </a>, (I was planning to twitter this =
next monday now i am not so sure ) as you can see&nbsp; the projected =
'solutions' of this pesky innovation is not good for the open disruptive =
nature of 3d printing.<br><br>I started wondering how i would do it, if =
my goal was to encapsulate the 3d printing innovation.<br><br>1)drop the =
community, because they would become resistant to the switch from open =
to closed source.<br><br>2)try and make the product much much better in =
performance (as far ahead as possible) then the current competition so =
new buyers at first glace would see my product as the most obvious and =
best choice, and simultaneously make my product closed source =
hardware.<br><br>3)make a dedicated pipeline, eg upgrade the software =
(the slicer), integrate it to the product so your stuck with using that =
software and make it closed source, with or without proprietary file =
types.<br><br>4) streamline the input eg. design the software in such a =
way that you can only get new stuff from 'trusted' distributors...in =
this case that would mean that the TOC for thingiverse needs to be =
changed so that the proprietary right would be of thingiverse and not of =
designers and that you can only get new content if you download it from =
thingiverse.<o:p></o:p></p><ul type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 =
level1 lfo1'>this would also imply that somehow your creative designs on =
your own computer should be streamline eg. yes you can design it on your =
computer but if you want to print it you have to upload it to =
thingiverse, actually this is where a specific file type would be handy, =
a file type which you can only get when uploading to thingiverse and =
which can only be used on my proprietary slicer software, and sell it to =
the public as better than CAD for prints which would technically be =
true, since&nbsp; the slicer software has been specifically designed to =
screw up CAD file. The next step would be to make a proprietary 3d =
modeling application which you can use directly on your makerbot but for =
that to happen you need to be the industry standard, so expect this to =
be a 'new' feature if my plan succeeds. (insert evil laugh =
here).<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p>But the problem with this strategy is that =
you are dealing with highly intelligent communities who will not take =
these kinds of changes laying down so it would have to be slow and =
evenly like apple is doing with its iphone and other =
products.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;Please see&nbsp; '<a =
href=3D"http://marcuswolschon.blogspot.nl/2012/09/occupy-thingiverse.html=
" target=3D"_blank">occupy thingivers</a>e' (the post of this person is =
a bit draft-like but then all this is happening NOW) , as you can see =
they are making some haste, which means they are afraid of =
something....I suspect the reason for this fear is that once 3d printing =
has hit critical mass (early adopter phase) people will not accept these =
changes anymore and you would have to back engineer this whole process =
which is much more risky because you could loose a big part of your =
revenue stream.<o:p></o:p></p><p>....I find it really strange how a =
design can tell so much about the intent of a =
company......<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><br>Op woensdag 19 =
september 2012 21:42:50 UTC+2 schreef bbum het =
volgende:<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal>Makerbot =
v2.0 has been announced.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://store.makerbot.com/replicator2.html#overview" =
target=3D"_blank">http://store.makerbot.com/replicator2.html#overview</a>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Neat design. &nbsp;Looks quite =
nice.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Interesting to note that it seems to be going PLA =
only. &nbsp;Nice large build volume, too.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Overall, the design is quite similar to the Ultimaker. =
&nbsp; Gantry style with bed moving in Z only. &nbsp; The gantry looks =
quite a bit simpler than the Ultimaker in that the X axis hangs directly =
from the Y axis. &nbsp; This obviously requires a bunch of additional =
weight to be carried around on the axis, but certainly simplifies the =
gantry design.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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