Orange broadband going to BT: Orange deal with BT stirs up fight for broadband supremacy (Times)
Allan
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/telecoms/article7099128.ece
Orange deal with BT stirs up fight for broadband supremacy
Orange has opened up a new front in the fight for broadband customers
after abandoning its fixed-line network and cutting a deal with BT to
offer better high-speed internet.
BT will take over Orange’s fixed-line infrastructure and integrate it
into its network, which should vastly improve the experience for
Orange’s 840,000 broadband customers
David
"Allan" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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I noted this last para.
"The decision to pass its network to BT mirrors a similarly dramatic move
last year by Kingston Communications, the Hull-based fixed-line telecoms
company now trading as KCOM. It handed over its network to BT and signed a
wholesale deal to get national coverage and reduce its costs substantially.
"
I have read here in the past that people in Hull could only have BB with the
Hull company does this mean they now have same choices/prices as rest of us?
I have always felt sorry for those living in Hull.
Regards
David
Another Dave
Bugger! I've just moved from a BT landline to Orange to get away from
BT's endless sales calls and from TalkTalk (who took over Freedom2Surf)
to Orange broadband, just to get away from TalkTalk.
I'm saving money but I'm now stuck for another 16 months.
Another Dave
George Weston
As I read it, Orange will just come into line with many other ISPs and
use BT's *network* and will stop trying to compete with BT technically.
This will be run on a contract basis between Orange and BT, and
transparent to the customer, so you'll still have an Orange phone and
Broadband service, and pay your bills to Orange. It will just mean that
your calls and broadband traffic will be routed over BT's equipment and
network, which Orange admit is more up to the job than theirs. You may
see an improvement in your service!
George
The Natural Philosopher
infrastructure' and 'BT retail' when you mean tossers in suits trying to
sell you crap, fobbing your support of to incomprehensible voice mail
systems and sub continental consonants and spending a fortune on Adam
and the Married Woman soap operas.
Openreach is a tight profitable little company, kept that way by OfCom.
BT Retail ought to be hung out to dry and sold off.
Grimly Fiendish
"Allan" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Really?
Most people i know on BT says it's one of the most over priced and poorest
services out. There was some thing in the news recently about BT giving the
poorest broad band speeds per package than any one else, i believe some
people on 10Mb or more were only getting a little over 1Mb. So here we have
one of the cheapest broad band providers (due mainly to the input from
advertising revenue as can be seen on there website pages and through what
seems to be their sellling of your email addresses to certain marketing
companies) but who provide a fairy reasonable service apart from the spam
involved, joining up with one of the most expensive but poorest service
providers.
I can't see anything good coming out of that other than a growing monopoly
which could end up making every ones services poorer and/or more costly.
George Weston
> "Allan"<inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:82qnfh...@mid.individual.net...
>> From The Times April 16, 2010
>>
>> http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/telecoms/article7099128.ece
>>
>> Orange deal with BT stirs up fight for broadband supremacy
>>
>> Orange has opened up a new front in the fight for broadband customers
>> after abandoning its fixed-line network and cutting a deal with BT to
>> offer better high-speed internet.
>>
>> its network, which should vastly improve the experience for Orange�s
>> 840,000 broadband customers
>
> Really?
> Most people i know on BT says it's one of the most over priced and poorest
> services out. There was some thing in the news recently about BT giving the
> poorest broad band speeds per package than any one else, i believe some
> people on 10Mb or more were only getting a little over 1Mb. So here we have
> one of the cheapest broad band providers (due mainly to the input from
> advertising revenue as can be seen on there website pages and through what
> seems to be their sellling of your email addresses to certain marketing
> companies) but who provide a fairy reasonable service apart from the spam
> involved, joining up with one of the most expensive but poorest service
> providers.
> I can't see anything good coming out of that other than a growing monopoly
> which could end up making every ones services poorer and/or more costly.
>
>
This does *NOT* refer to BT Retail (the crappy, infuriating and
expensive ISP) but BT Wholesale/Openreach (the network)
George
Martin Jay
<xpr...@derby2002.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Most people i know on BT says it's one of the most over priced and poorest
>services out.
They should stop whinging and vote with their feet... and wallet.
>There was some thing in the news recently about BT giving the
>poorest broad band speeds per package than any one else, i believe some
>people on 10Mb or more were only getting a little over 1Mb.
I wonder why it has more subscribers than any other UK Internet
provider?
See <http://www.ispreview.co.uk/review/top10.php> and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Total_Broadband>.
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Grimly Fiendish
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> On 16/04/2010 19:15, Grimly Fiendish wrote:
>> "Allan"<inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:82qnfh...@mid.individual.net...
>>> From The Times April 16, 2010
>>>
>>> http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/telecoms/article7099128.ece
>>>
>>> Orange deal with BT stirs up fight for broadband supremacy
>>>
>>> Orange has opened up a new front in the fight for broadband customers
>>> after abandoning its fixed-line network and cutting a deal with BT to
>>> offer better high-speed internet.
>>>
>>> into
>>> its network, which should vastly improve the experience for Orange’s
>>> 840,000 broadband customers
>>
>> Really?
>> Most people i know on BT says it's one of the most over priced and
>> poorest
>> services out. There was some thing in the news recently about BT giving
>> the
>> poorest broad band speeds per package than any one else, i believe some
>> people on 10Mb or more were only getting a little over 1Mb. So here we
>> have
>> one of the cheapest broad band providers (due mainly to the input from
>> advertising revenue as can be seen on there website pages and through
>> what
>> seems to be their sellling of your email addresses to certain marketing
>> companies) but who provide a fairy reasonable service apart from the spam
>> involved, joining up with one of the most expensive but poorest service
>> providers.
>> I can't see anything good coming out of that other than a growing
>> monopoly
>> which could end up making every ones services poorer and/or more costly.
>>
>>
> Someone else with the wrong end of the stick!
> This does *NOT* refer to BT Retail (the crappy, infuriating and expensive
> ISP) but BT Wholesale/Openreach (the network)
>
> George
Ahh, i think i get it now, you mean that the o/p was regarding BT
Wholesale/Openreach (the network).
These things can get confusing!
Grimly Fiendish
"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> George Weston wrote:
(something)
Naughty, naughty, very naughty..................
alexd
> BT will take over Orange’s fixed-line infrastructure and integrate it
> into its network, which should vastly improve the experience for
> Orange’s 840,000 broadband customers
This is pretty embarrassing for a subsidiary of a national incumbent
telco like Orange. You would think surely France Telecom have the
necessary expertise to make this sort of stuff work. On the other hand,
perhaps we're the last country in Europe stuck on ADSL so they've given
up ;-)
Maybe they decided if BT are going to roll out FTTC, LLU is going to be
obsolete within a couple of years anyway so might as not waste the money
on it.
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Steve Terry
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> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:15:45 +0100, "Grimly Fiendish"
> <xpr...@derby2002.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Most people i know on BT says it's one of the most over priced and poorest
>>services out.
>
> They should stop whinging and vote with their feet... and wallet.
>
>>There was some thing in the news recently about BT giving the
>>poorest broad band speeds per package than any one else, i believe some
>>people on 10Mb or more were only getting a little over 1Mb.
>
> I wonder why it has more subscribers than any other UK Internet
> provider?
>
> See <http://www.ispreview.co.uk/review/top10.php> and
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Total_Broadband>.
>
>
microwave oven) why he went for BT broadband, ignoring advise
from anyone. He said "cos it's BT, they're the best aren't they?"
Who says TV commercials don't work
BT, experts on separating idiots from their money
Steve Terry
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John
> "Martin Jay" <mar...@spam-free.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:974.1271448...@spam-free.org.uk...
>> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:15:45 +0100, "Grimly Fiendish"
>> <xpr...@derby2002.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Most people i know on BT says it's one of the most over priced and
>>> poorest services out.
>>
>> They should stop whinging and vote with their feet... and wallet.
>>
>>> There was some thing in the news recently about BT giving the
>>> poorest broad band speeds per package than any one else, i believe
>>> some people on 10Mb or more were only getting a little over 1Mb.
>>
>> I wonder why it has more subscribers than any other UK Internet
>> provider?
>>
>> See <http://www.ispreview.co.uk/review/top10.php> and
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Total_Broadband>.
>>
>>
> I asked my friend Brian (who has trouble telling his PC from his
> microwave oven) why he went for BT broadband, ignoring advise
> from anyone. He said "cos it's BT, they're the best aren't they?"
>
> Who says TV commercials don't work
>
> BT, experts on separating idiots from their money
It's all subjective though isn't it? Back in 1995/96 or whenever it was, I
was a beta tester for the ISP BT Internet, using either a 9.6 or 14.4kbps
dial-up modem (can't remember which). As soon as our exchange was ADSL
enabled in 2003, I got it a few days later. In the last 15 years, I've had
just two "internet" faults, one on dial-up and one on broadband, and they
were both dealt with quickly and efficiently.
If you want to go back further than that, we've had our actual phone line
since 1969 and only ever had one fault on that too (that was in 1972 - I
remember because it was the week of Preston Guild). So for me, yes, BT _are_
the best and I wouldn't dream of going elsewhere. I'll admit that they
aren't as cheap as they could be but that's my only gripe.
The Natural Philosopher
Its not the Openreach bit one objects to. Its the sales, support and
marketing layer of BT retail.
Which I have circumvented by going with IDnet. What I pay extra on
broadband I save on phone line and call charges.
As I keep repeating, BT is not one monolithic company any more. Bits of
it are good. Bits of it are appallingly bad.
Steve Terry
> John wrote:
>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>> "Martin Jay" <mar...@spam-free.org.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:974.1271448...@spam-free.org.uk...
>>>> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:15:45 +0100, "Grimly Fiendish"
>>>> <xpr...@derby2002.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> BT, experts on separating idiots from their money
>>
>> It's all subjective though isn't it? Back in 1995/96 or whenever it was,
>> I was a beta tester for the ISP BT Internet, using either a 9.6 or
>> 14.4kbps dial-up modem (can't remember which). As soon as our exchange
>> was ADSL enabled in 2003, I got it a few days later. In the last 15
>> years, I've had just two "internet" faults, one on dial-up and one on
>> broadband, and they were both dealt with quickly and efficiently.
>>
>> If you want to go back further than that, we've had our actual phone line
>> since 1969 and only ever had one fault on that too (that was in 1972 - I
>> remember because it was the week of Preston Guild). So for me, yes, BT
>> _are_ the best and I wouldn't dream of going elsewhere. I'll admit that
>> they aren't as cheap as they could be but that's my only gripe.
> Technically BT were late in the game, but pretty solid once in it.
>
>
Who was the BT CEO who in 2000 said Broadband was only for Nerds
Grimly Fiendish
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How many faults did you here about on other providers in that period?
chris
> "Martin Jay"<mar...@spam-free.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:974.1271448...@spam-free.org.uk...
>> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:15:45 +0100, "Grimly Fiendish"
>> <xpr...@derby2002.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Most people i know on BT says it's one of the most over priced and poorest
>>> services out.
>>
>> They should stop whinging and vote with their feet... and wallet.
>>
>>> There was some thing in the news recently about BT giving the
>>> poorest broad band speeds per package than any one else, i believe some
>>> people on 10Mb or more were only getting a little over 1Mb.
>>
>> I wonder why it has more subscribers than any other UK Internet
>> provider?
>>
>> See<http://www.ispreview.co.uk/review/top10.php> and
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Total_Broadband>.
>>
>>
> I asked my friend Brian (who has trouble telling his PC from his
> microwave oven) why he went for BT broadband, ignoring advise
> from anyone. He said "cos it's BT, they're the best aren't they?"
>
> Who says TV commercials don't work
>
> BT, experts on separating idiots from their money
Not just BT, but any 'Brand'. People like them because it makes them
feel like a safe choice...
I'm the complete opposite. I have an innate distrust of brands.
Cullen Skink
will it offer any improvement to customers on Orange who are not on an
LLU exchange?