TOT: Why isn't Garrison Keillor on Radio Four?

[Bill Wright]

The current series is far better than any of the piss-poor comedy on
Radio Four. Far, far, better. Head and shoulders better. So why isn't
it on Radio Four instead of digital-only minute-audience Radio Four
Extra? Could it be that the programme doesn't fit in with the Radio Four
mindset? It has no discernible left-wing bias and it treats Christianity
with the same respect as it treats other religions. Yes, I guess that's
it. It just wouldn't sit right on Radio Four.

Bill

[Brian Gaff]

I think its a legacy thing. It always was on BBC7. I wondered the same
thing. its kind of gentle comedy for aging Americans (seniors as the call
them over there)

Maybe he upset the bbc by doing Honda commercials?

Brian

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <knp9ls$jon$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

And if it were on R4 you'd be complaining about air time being given to
foreigners with all those English comedians desperate for work.

But perhaps not, given he's white.

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[Davey]

Still on online-only, but you can listen to the real thing, in the
original two hour program format, by going to
http://prairiehome.publicradio.org

Live listen, archives, they are all there.

--
Davey.

[Brian Gaff]

He has been doing those long monologues about that lake community for more
years than I'd care to think. Its some kind of gentle humour we seem to have
lost in the last 20 years or so over here.

Brian

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[Davey]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 14:46:11 +0100
"Brian Gaff" <Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> He has been doing those long monologues about that lake community for
> more years than I'd care to think. Its some kind of gentle humour we
> seem to have lost in the last 20 years or so over here.
>
> Brian
>

He was doing Prairie Home Companion shows when I moved to the US in the
early 1980s, and I don't know for how long before then. My favourite
Lake Woebegone story of all was of a dog who tried to but couldn't catch
fish, but finally had his day when he grabbed the whole cooked salmon
off the dining room table. "Bruno the Wonder Dog", or some similar
title.
--
Davey.

[Bill Wright]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> And if it were on R4 you'd be complaining about air time being given to
> foreigners with all those English comedians desperate for work.
>
> But perhaps not, given he's white.
>

Far from it. There are a lot of British comedians who can never work on
the BBC because they are not left wing. That's the real issue.

And what's his race got to do with it?

Bill

[Bill Wright]

Davey wrote:

> Still on online-only, but you can listen to the real thing, in the
> original two hour program format, by going to
> http://prairiehome.publicradio.org
>
> Live listen, archives, they are all there.
>

Excellent.

Bill

[Davey]

Glad to help. I have always liked him. Happy listening!
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[Ian]

In message <knqjvp$ul1$2...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
<bi...@invalid.com> writes

Bill, please define "left wing".
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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <PWPjNoFN...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,

Ian <ne...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Bill, please define "left wing".

'When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, it
means just what I choose it to mean - nether more nor less.

The question is, said Alice, whether you can make words mean so many
different things.

The question is, said Humpty Dumpty, which is to be the master - that's
all.'

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[Bill Wright]

Read up on the BBC's favourite comedians and then you'll have your own
definition.

Bill

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <knqjvp$ul1$2...@speranza.aioe.org>,

Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> > And if it were on R4 you'd be complaining about air time being given to
> > foreigners with all those English comedians desperate for work.
> >
> > But perhaps not, given he's white.
> >
> Far from it. There are a lot of British comedians who can never work on
> the BBC because they are not left wing. That's the real issue.

Perhaps you'd name just a few of this 'lot'?

> And what's his race got to do with it?

Generally with 'right wing comedians', everything.

> Bill

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[Bill Wright]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

>> And what's his race got to do with it?
>
> Generally with 'right wing comedians', everything.

So everyone to the right of centre is a racist? That's just silly.

Bill

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <knu3aq$1bu$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

No more silly than most of your generalizations.

Still waiting to hear who you consider a talented right wing comedian.
There are 'lots', after all.

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[Bill Wright]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

>> So everyone to the right of centre is a racist? That's just silly.
>
> No more silly than most of your generalizations.

Your generalisations are sillier than my generalisations.

Bill

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <knvs6d$d8e$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

Still waiting to hear from you about all these non left wing comedians you
seem to think are being stopped from appearing on the BBC, so some names,
please.

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[Bill Wright]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <knvs6d$d8e$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>>>> So everyone to the right of centre is a racist? That's just silly.
>>> No more silly than most of your generalizations.
>
>> Your generalisations are sillier than my generalisations.
>
> Still waiting to hear from you about all these non left wing comedians you
> seem to think are being stopped from appearing on the BBC, so some names,
> please.
>

I'm not going to make a list because
(a) the BBC inhibits non-left comedians from coming to my attention, or
progressing with their careers
(b) anyone I name you'll say they're racist.

But the BBC's claim that all comedians are left wing is absurd. What's
more, it's well known that comedians who are very careful to toe the
party line when on the BBC are often far more relaxed in their opinions
when appearing on stage. I was astonished a little while ago by one act
who I saw in Sheffield who really told it like it is, yet on the BBC he
is as weasally as the rest. Also, I've been to various London Comedy
Clubs and noticed the same thing. I'm not going to name names because
the left are so vindictive and someone might blab.

Bill

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <ko045m$654$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
> > Still waiting to hear from you about all these non left wing comedians
> > you seem to think are being stopped from appearing on the BBC, so some
> > names, please.
> >
> I'm not going to make a list because
> (a) the BBC inhibits non-left comedians from coming to my attention, or
> progressing with their careers

No other TV company employs comedians? Or do you only watch/listen to the
BBC to complain about it?

> (b) anyone I name you'll say they're racist.

Why would that concern you?

> But the BBC's claim that all comedians are left wing is absurd. What's
> more, it's well known that comedians who are very careful to toe the
> party line when on the BBC are often far more relaxed in their opinions
> when appearing on stage. I was astonished a little while ago by one act
> who I saw in Sheffield who really told it like it is, yet on the BBC he
> is as weasally as the rest. Also, I've been to various London Comedy
> Clubs and noticed the same thing. I'm not going to name names because
> the left are so vindictive and someone might blab.

Bit of a cop out there Bill. Unless you think everyone in those audiences
sworn to silence too.

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[Bill Wright]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> Bit of a cop out there Bill. Unless you think everyone in those audiences
> sworn to silence too.

OK, well let's get back to the main point. My contention is that the
BBC's comedy output (especially Radio Four) has left wing bias. How can
you possibly, with any stretch of the imagination, deny that?

Bill

[Paul D Smith]

"Bill Wright" wrote in message news:knp9ls$jon$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

+++++++++++++++

I would say because it's a quintessentially american show. My wife is from
Minnesota (not far from Lake Wobegon ;-) ) and one of our best friends is a
Lutheran so it all makes perfect sense and I imagine is far funnier than
many would find it. Then again much of the humour is "small town, anywhere"
so perhaps it would appeal?

I'd certainly not go down the "treats Christianity..." discussion for two
reasons - firstly it's quite cheeky about much mid-western Christianity, but
then so are the people who follow it. It is also somewhat less than
representative of the Mid-West in that respect and in fact it's more "Radio
4" than you might imagine. Minneapolis/St Paul and the other large cities
are very cosmopolitan with quite liberal religion (or not) of all
persuasions. The same cannot be said of many parts of the Mid-West where
you and I would be considered to be going straight to hell !

Secondly, there is very, very little about non-Christian cultures, at least
not that I've ever heard. You might think this is because it represents the
region involved, but did you know that Minnesota returned the first Muslin
(Federal) congressman? He was sworn in on President Thomas Jefferson's
Qur'an which was given amazing amounts of security to get it from the
Library of Congress to Capital Hill. Of course Christianity is the
predominant religion, and it's Garrison's background so no surprises that
this is where the program lies.

So I'm glad you like it (I found it had to grow on me for sometime) but I
imagine we're rather less typical than the average UK audience.

BTW did you know that you can take Garrison Keillor cruises (he's the main
entertainment on board) around the Norwegian Fjords (well where did you
think the mid-West got it's tall, blue eyed blond inhabitants from :-) )?
Friends of ours have done one of these and if you like both Fjords and
Garrison, they're a lot of fun.

Paul DS.

[Ian Jackson]

In message <ko0q6o$2ed$2...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
<bi...@invalid.com> writes

A lot of comedy is satire, and a lot of satire consists of taking the
piss out of the establishment and the established order of things.
Therefore, by its very nature, it is 'left wing', always has been, and
hopefully will always continue to be. And if it's done well, even right
wing people will see the funny side.
--
Ian

[Peter Duncanson]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 00:28:10 +0100, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
wrote:

There is a spectrum of left wing to right wing with "neutral" in the
middle.

This is far from rigidly defined. It is in fact to a considerable extent
a matter of subjective definition, with different people having
different views as to what is left, centre or right.[1]

The BBC's comedy output may have been moved to a middle position. To a
rightwinger that would seem to be left wing.

The BBC, and other mainstream broadcasters, try not to offend viewers
and listeners. That means that comedy is toned down politically (and in
other ways).

[1] In American politics some people are described as "liberals". To a
British person such people seem to have right wing opinions although not
as far right wing as other opinions.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <ko0q6o$2ed$2...@speranza.aioe.org>,

I'm not denying that since it is of no concern to me. Satirical comedy is
always 'biased' against the government in power. Blinkered types like you
forget how Labour governments complained about the same issue with the BBC.

I'm happy with any decent comedy regardless of so called bias. But since
you've proved by your prevarication there are virtually no right wing
comedians, it's all a bit pointless.

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[Bill Wright]

Paul D Smith wrote:

> I would say because it's a quintessentially american show...
snip

Thanks for that very interesting post.

I suppose I was trying to impose my own agenda on the issue!

Bill

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <ko1lsr$54g$1...@dont-email.me>,

Paul D Smith <paul_d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I would say because it's a quintessentially american show. My wife is
> from Minnesota (not far from Lake Wobegon ;-) ) and one of our best
> friends is a Lutheran so it all makes perfect sense and I imagine is
> far funnier than many would find it. Then again much of the humour is
> "small town, anywhere" so perhaps it would appeal?

It ran as a series on R4 some years ago, which I very much enjoyed. The
couple I've listened to on 'Extra' don't seem quite as 'good'. So either
I've changed or he has. ;-)

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[Bill Wright]

Her Majesty's Opposition is part of the Establishment. Take a look at
the recent HIGNFU. I noted 25 solid minutes of anti-Tory rhetoric and 20
seconds of anti-Labour rhetoric.

As well as the lefty bias the BBC comedians (especially on R4) are
horribly PC and pro-greeny bollocks. Just for once I'd like to hear
someone say something sceptical about global warming. But no, not a chance.

Bill

[Bill Wright]

Peter Duncanson wrote:

> The BBC, and other mainstream broadcasters, try not to offend viewers
> and listeners.

Well they offend me all the time.

Bill

[Bill Wright]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> I'm happy with any decent comedy regardless of so called bias. But since
> you've proved by your prevarication there are virtually no right wing
> comedians, it's all a bit pointless.
>

Sigh...
Simon Evans is brilliant, but you won't see him on HIGNFU or Radio Four.
Roy Brown does a toned down act that would be acceptable and very funny.
Jim Davidson is OK, or at leat not as grossly offensive as that little
squirt Hardy.
Jerry Sadowitz is capable of not swearing as much.

Here's a quote from the Telegraph about J Hardy.
The latest outburst of public annoyance was vented on Radio 4’s Feedback
programme by listeners infuriated by the Tory- and Coalition-bashing
repartee of veteran lefty comedian Jeremy Hardy on his long-in-the-tooth
Speaks to the Nation programme. One listener fumed that: “This programme
appears to be a diatribe of Jeremy Hardy’s prejudiced extreme left-wing
views. It wasn’t clever and it certainly wasn’t funny… The BBC is a
non-political organisation and yet it is paying for broadcasting what
appeared to be a party political broadcast for the Communist Party”.
Another complained: “I think anyone would be hard pushed to call the 30
minutes of incessant Tory and coalition bashing comedy.” And a third
railed: “Jeremy Hardy had me screaming at the radio I’m afraid to say.
Next time for a bit of balance can we maybe have a right-wing comedian
if you can find one?”

Why don't they get rid of tired old Hardy and make room for some new
talent, but this time with a bit of balance?

Bill

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <ko2ake$ppu$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
> Here's a quote from the Telegraph about J Hardy.

Does anyone care what the Torygraph things about anything? Apart from you,
obviously.

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[Bill Wright]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <ko2ake$ppu$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Here's a quote from the Telegraph about J Hardy.
>
> Does anyone care what the Torygraph things about anything? Apart from you,
> obviously.
>

It's childish to call it the Torygraph. It's like playground
name-calling. And I dare say more people are interested to read it than
are interested in your writings. Dismissing a report in a national
newspaper on grounds of pure prejudice is rather pathetic in my opinion.

Bill

[Paul Ratcliffe]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 21:07:05 +0100, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:

>>> Here's a quote from the Telegraph about J Hardy.
>>
>> Does anyone care what the Torygraph things about anything? Apart from you,
>> obviously.
>>
> It's childish to call it the Torygraph. It's like playground
> name-calling. And I dare say more people are interested to read it than
> are interested in your writings. Dismissing a report in a national
> newspaper on grounds of pure prejudice is rather pathetic in my opinion.

Yes, if someone had written something equivalent that Plowfool believed
in, then he'd be the first one up in arms to complain.
What hypocrisy.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <ko32pl$5g2$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article <ko2ake$ppu$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> > Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
> >> Here's a quote from the Telegraph about J Hardy.
> >
> > Does anyone care what the Torygraph things about anything? Apart from
> > you, obviously.
> >
> It's childish to call it the Torygraph. It's like playground
> name-calling. And I dare say more people are interested to read it than
> are interested in your writings. Dismissing a report in a national
> newspaper on grounds of pure prejudice is rather pathetic in my opinion.

And you think that article gave a balanced view of what the listening
public thought of Hardy? It was a typical one sided rant from a right wing
newspaper who hates the BBC.

And I thought you wanted balance.

BTW, if the majority hated Hardy's rant, where was all the booing from the
audience?

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <slrnkqb9tu...@news.pr.network>,

Bit of a hangover this morning, Paul?

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[Bill Wright]

It's childish to call it the Plowfool (!)

Bill

[Bill Wright]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

>> It's childish to call it the Torygraph. It's like playground
>> name-calling. And I dare say more people are interested to read it than
>> are interested in your writings. Dismissing a report in a national
>> newspaper on grounds of pure prejudice is rather pathetic in my opinion.
>
> And you think that article gave a balanced view of what the listening
> public thought of Hardy? It was a typical one sided rant from a right wing
> newspaper who hates the BBC.

Of course it isn't a balanced view. It's a view that's reacting to the
BBC's leftwing bias. Don't forget that there are lots and lots of right
wing or right of centre people in this country who find the BBC's bias
unacceptable.

> BTW, if the majority hated Hardy's rant, where was all the booing from the
> audience?

Oh come on! Do you suppose the audience is representative?
Firstly it's self-selected, because only those who like Hardy et al
apply for tickets. Secondly the BBC will weed out any applicants they
don't like the sound of, just as they do for Question Time.

Bill

[charles]

In article <ko51uv$5iv$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
wrote:

> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> >> It's childish to call it the Torygraph. It's like playground
> >> name-calling. And I dare say more people are interested to read it
> >> than are interested in your writings. Dismissing a report in a
> >> national newspaper on grounds of pure prejudice is rather pathetic in
> >> my opinion.
> >
> > And you think that article gave a balanced view of what the listening
> > public thought of Hardy? It was a typical one sided rant from a right
> > wing newspaper who hates the BBC.
> Of course it isn't a balanced view. It's a view that's reacting to the
> BBC's leftwing bias. Don't forget that there are lots and lots of right
> wing or right of centre people in this country who find the BBC's bias
> unacceptable.

and there are those who think of themselves as "right of centre" who feel
the Telegraph is far to the right .

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <ko503t$uta$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

And that isn't childish?

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <ko51uv$5iv$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> >> It's childish to call it the Torygraph. It's like playground
> >> name-calling. And I dare say more people are interested to read it
> >> than are interested in your writings. Dismissing a report in a
> >> national newspaper on grounds of pure prejudice is rather pathetic
> >> in my opinion.
> >
> > And you think that article gave a balanced view of what the listening
> > public thought of Hardy? It was a typical one sided rant from a right
> > wing newspaper who hates the BBC.

> Of course it isn't a balanced view. It's a view that's reacting to the
> BBC's leftwing bias.

The best reaction to bias is more bias, then?

> Don't forget that there are lots and lots of right
> wing or right of centre people in this country who find the BBC's bias
> unacceptable.

More 'lots and lots'. You seem to be in a minority on here complaining
about BBC left wing bias. And seem to forget previous Labour
administrations complaining about BBC bias too.

> > BTW, if the majority hated Hardy's rant, where was all the booing from
> > the audience?

> Oh come on! Do you suppose the audience is representative?
> Firstly it's self-selected, because only those who like Hardy et al
> apply for tickets.

Strange isn't it. Nothing is 'representative' unless it agrees with you.

> Secondly the BBC will weed out any applicants they
> don't like the sound of, just as they do for Question Time.

Have you ever thought about treatment for your paranoia?

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <i24cq8dvmv4n85lvf...@4ax.com>,
Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:

> and those left of centre, who post humorous comments to DT and DM
> articles.

Just curious - do any fans of the Telegraph think it a 'childish insult'
to call it the Torygraph? If so, please explain the insult. Is it an
insult to call someone a Tory? Or an insult to suggest the Telegraph
supports the Tory party?

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[charles]

In article <535380d...@davenoise.co.uk>,

I see it as similar to Micro$oft.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <b6dcq8tmo8rn82vhf...@4ax.com>,

Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> >Just curious - do any fans of the Telegraph think it a 'childish insult'
> >to call it the Torygraph? If so, please explain the insult. Is it an
> >insult to call someone a Tory? Or an insult to suggest the Telegraph
> >supports the Tory party?

> The DT doesn't support the present regime, neither does the DM.

Because it's a coalition?

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[Bill Wright]

Martin wrote:

>> Of course it isn't a balanced view. It's a view that's reacting to the
>> BBC's leftwing bias. Don't forget that there are lots and lots of right
>> wing or right of centre people in this country who find the BBC's bias
>> unacceptable.
>

> Most are members of EDL or BNF?
Please don't conflate 'right of centre' with the extremists. Their
membership is tiny compared to the vast mass of people in this country
who are right of centre.

Would you conflate the Woolwich murders with the ordinary Muslim person?

Bill

[Bill Wright]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

>> Of course it isn't a balanced view. It's a view that's reacting to the
>> BBC's leftwing bias.
>
> The best reaction to bias is more bias, then?

Yes of course. It gives balance.

> Have you ever thought about treatment for your paranoia?
>

Straw man argument.

Bill

[Mark Carver]

Bill Wright wrote:

> OK, well let's get back to the main point. My contention is that the
> BBC's comedy output (especially Radio Four) has left wing bias.

Last night's BBC North West News, certainly featured a left wing comedian:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iBjLqZ0BIqU


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

[Bill Wright]

Mark Carver wrote:
> Bill Wright wrote:
>
>> OK, well let's get back to the main point. My contention is that the
>> BBC's comedy output (especially Radio Four) has left wing bias.
>
> Last night's BBC North West News, certainly featured a left wing comedian:-
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iBjLqZ0BIqU
>
>

I suppose the BBC regional programmes do as they like. Look North Leeds
shows remarkable left bias sometimes.

Bill

[Mark Carver]

Bill Wright wrote:

>> Last night's BBC North West News, certainly featured a left wing
>> comedian:-
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iBjLqZ0BIqU
>>
>>
> I suppose the BBC regional programmes do as they like. Look North Leeds
> shows remarkable left bias sometimes.

I see they've made the national media headlines !

<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313768/Christa-Ackroyd-The-BBCs-local-news-presenter-225-000--shes-air.html>

(Warning, Daily Mail article, might be complete bollocks)

[Bill Wright]

Mark Carver wrote:
> Bill Wright wrote:
>
>>> Last night's BBC North West News, certainly featured a left wing
>>> comedian:-
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iBjLqZ0BIqU
>>>
>>>
>> I suppose the BBC regional programmes do as they like. Look North
>> Leeds shows remarkable left bias sometimes.
>
> I see they've made the national media headlines !
>
> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313768/Christa-Ackroyd-The-BBCs-local-news-presenter-225-000--shes-air.html>
>
>
> (Warning, Daily Mail article, might be complete bollocks)
>
>

Is it really 12 years since she left Calendar? Seems like yesterday.

Incidentally my son stayed in a holiday let she owns and he said she was
very nice.

Bill