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Bill Wright
Sep 24, 2012, 10:14:02 PM9/24/12
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The news broke today that South Yorkshire police have flagrantly
disregarded their duty to protect our children by refusing to prosecute
the gangs of Pakistanis who have been raping white girls as young as 12,
for many years. The details of the offences committed over a period of
years are quite horrific, and it is utterly shocking that nothing has
been done to put a stop to it. The whole thing has been ignored because
of political correctness, which has such a grip on our national life
that it was thought better to allow the rapes to continue rather than
risk accusations of racism. In ten years there has only been one
prosecution, yet there have been hundreds of cases.
This is surely a story of great national importance, yet it was not
covered on the BBC’s 6pm news bulletin. Instead the lead story concerned
a 15 year old girl who has absconded with an older man. There is no
evidence that she has come to any harm. The story was ‘reportable’
though, because the man in question is white.
On ‘Look North’ the Asian rapes did lead the bulletin, but you would
have needed to listen very carefully to discover that the rapist gangs
were, in fact Asian. In a long item it was mentioned only once,
indirectly and in passing.
Later on, after Citizen Khan, we were treated to Mississippi Burning,
which has to be one of the most po-faced right-on films ever made.
The BBC’s left wing liberal bias makes it unfit to receive funds from a
compulsory tax. It’s a great pity because the organisation does many
very good things. But why should I be made to pay for such a one-sided
view of the world?
Bill
disregarded their duty to protect our children by refusing to prosecute
the gangs of Pakistanis who have been raping white girls as young as 12,
for many years. The details of the offences committed over a period of
years are quite horrific, and it is utterly shocking that nothing has
been done to put a stop to it. The whole thing has been ignored because
of political correctness, which has such a grip on our national life
that it was thought better to allow the rapes to continue rather than
risk accusations of racism. In ten years there has only been one
prosecution, yet there have been hundreds of cases.
This is surely a story of great national importance, yet it was not
covered on the BBC’s 6pm news bulletin. Instead the lead story concerned
a 15 year old girl who has absconded with an older man. There is no
evidence that she has come to any harm. The story was ‘reportable’
though, because the man in question is white.
On ‘Look North’ the Asian rapes did lead the bulletin, but you would
have needed to listen very carefully to discover that the rapist gangs
were, in fact Asian. In a long item it was mentioned only once,
indirectly and in passing.
Later on, after Citizen Khan, we were treated to Mississippi Burning,
which has to be one of the most po-faced right-on films ever made.
The BBC’s left wing liberal bias makes it unfit to receive funds from a
compulsory tax. It’s a great pity because the organisation does many
very good things. But why should I be made to pay for such a one-sided
view of the world?
Bill
Brian Gaff
Sep 25, 2012, 3:18:29 AM9/25/12
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I do often wonder who is in charge of deciding what goes out as news. Has it
been on the news channel at all? My feeling is that anything even remotely
controversial is ignored unless its a consumer item of course. There are no
real journalists in charge of this stuff any more, willing to, if required
go against the grain and maybe upset some people. I guess a lot of it is the
job security aspect. I used to write on computer related stuff in the 80s,
and the draconian ways employed to stop us saying what was true involved
making the writer solely liable for legal costs in any case of civil action,
and of course loss of employment.
Brian
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been on the news channel at all? My feeling is that anything even remotely
controversial is ignored unless its a consumer item of course. There are no
real journalists in charge of this stuff any more, willing to, if required
go against the grain and maybe upset some people. I guess a lot of it is the
job security aspect. I used to write on computer related stuff in the 80s,
and the draconian ways employed to stop us saying what was true involved
making the writer solely liable for legal costs in any case of civil action,
and of course loss of employment.
Brian
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Weatherlawyer
Sep 25, 2012, 4:01:20 AM9/25/12
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On Sep 25, 8:18 am, "Brian Gaff" <Bria...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
You have been trolled by a racist.
Fancy being so dumb as that.
>
You have been trolled by a racist.
Fancy being so dumb as that.
tim.....
Sep 25, 2012, 4:11:23 AM9/25/12
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> The news broke today that South Yorkshire police have flagrantly
> disregarded their duty to protect our children by refusing to prosecute
> the gangs of Pakistanis who have been raping white girls as young as 12,
> for many years. The details of the offences committed over a period of
> years are quite horrific, and it is utterly shocking that nothing has been
> done to put a stop to it. The whole thing has been ignored because of
> political correctness, which has such a grip on our national life that it
> was thought better to allow the rapes to continue rather than risk
> accusations of racism. In ten years there has only been one prosecution,
> yet there have been hundreds of cases.
> This is surely a story of great national importance, yet it was not
> covered on the BBC�s 6pm news bulletin. Instead the lead story concerned a
> disregarded their duty to protect our children by refusing to prosecute
> the gangs of Pakistanis who have been raping white girls as young as 12,
> for many years. The details of the offences committed over a period of
> years are quite horrific, and it is utterly shocking that nothing has been
> done to put a stop to it. The whole thing has been ignored because of
> political correctness, which has such a grip on our national life that it
> was thought better to allow the rapes to continue rather than risk
> accusations of racism. In ten years there has only been one prosecution,
> yet there have been hundreds of cases.
> This is surely a story of great national importance, yet it was not
> 15 year old girl who has absconded with an older man. There is no evidence
> that she has come to any harm. The story was �reportable� though, because
> the man in question is white.
ITYF it's because he was her "teacher"
tim
harry
Sep 25, 2012, 4:21:23 AM9/25/12
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<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156296/British-gangs-raping-
sexually-exploiting-vulnerable-white-young-girls-Asian-problem-Crown-
prosecutor-admits.html>
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The Natural Philosopher
Sep 25, 2012, 5:13:42 AM9/25/12
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have been slightly dull with no rain except a brief shower in totnes.
The fact there have been reports of floods is all part of the cover up.
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ne...@address.invalid
Sep 25, 2012, 5:59:50 AM9/25/12
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 03:14:02 +0100, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
wrote:
Do you think thi is biased then Bill?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg
wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg
Dave Plowman (News)
Sep 25, 2012, 6:08:16 AM9/25/12
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Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known racist
Bill Wright.
And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in it.
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Bill Wright.
And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in it.
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Dave Plowman (News)
Sep 25, 2012, 6:56:03 AM9/25/12
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In article <52d4b06...@davenoise.co.uk>,
horses.
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Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known racist
> Bill Wright.
> And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in it.
Sorry - it appears Mr Wright is back on one of his many racist hobby
> Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known racist
> Bill Wright.
> And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in it.
horses.
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Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 8:23:56 AM9/25/12
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It doesn't take long.
Presumably discussion of that sort would result in a jail term in your
ideal world.
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 8:24:58 AM9/25/12
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tim..... wrote:
>
> "Bill Wright" <bi...@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:k3r419$ite$2...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> The news broke today that South Yorkshire police have flagrantly
>> disregarded their duty to protect our children by refusing to
>> prosecute the gangs of Pakistanis who have been raping white girls as
>> young as 12, for many years. The details of the offences committed
>> over a period of years are quite horrific, and it is utterly shocking
>> that nothing has been done to put a stop to it. The whole thing has
>> been ignored because of political correctness, which has such a grip
>> on our national life that it was thought better to allow the rapes to
>> continue rather than risk accusations of racism. In ten years there
>> has only been one prosecution, yet there have been hundreds of cases.
>> This is surely a story of great national importance, yet it was not
>> covered on the BBC’s 6pm news bulletin. Instead the lead story
>
> "Bill Wright" <bi...@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:k3r419$ite$2...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> The news broke today that South Yorkshire police have flagrantly
>> disregarded their duty to protect our children by refusing to
>> prosecute the gangs of Pakistanis who have been raping white girls as
>> young as 12, for many years. The details of the offences committed
>> over a period of years are quite horrific, and it is utterly shocking
>> that nothing has been done to put a stop to it. The whole thing has
>> been ignored because of political correctness, which has such a grip
>> on our national life that it was thought better to allow the rapes to
>> continue rather than risk accusations of racism. In ten years there
>> has only been one prosecution, yet there have been hundreds of cases.
>> This is surely a story of great national importance, yet it was not
>> concerned a 15 year old girl who has absconded with an older man.
>> There is no evidence that she has come to any harm. The story was
>> ‘reportable’ though, because the man in question is white.
>> There is no evidence that she has come to any harm. The story was
>
> ITYF it's because he was her "teacher"
>
That means he's been CRB checked! Ha!
> ITYF it's because he was her "teacher"
>
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 8:28:42 AM9/25/12
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ne...@address.invalid wrote:
>
> Do you think thi is biased then Bill?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg
It's presented as one man's opinion. By definition it's biased. The BBC
>
> Do you think thi is biased then Bill?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg
is supposed to be an impartial public service. By definition it should
not be biased.
There's no comparison.
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 8:29:48 AM9/25/12
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known racist
> Bill Wright.
So complaining about BBC bias makes me a racist?
> Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known racist
> Bill Wright.
> And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in it.
Bill
>
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The Natural Philosopher
Sep 25, 2012, 8:35:45 AM9/25/12
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Like today for example they (the media in general) are playing up weather.
Apparently a few people died yesterday in cars. One of the accidents
might just have been down to heavy rain. Or not.
Lib dems get full conference coverage. UKIP - polling *more*,
opinion-poll wise - get nothing.
*shrug* media is controlled, non free and partisan. What else did you
really expect?
> Bill
Dave Plowman (News)
Sep 25, 2012, 8:35:06 AM9/25/12
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In article <k3s83q$2hp$4...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> > And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in it.
> It wasn't mentioned at all in the 6pm BBC1 news on the day the story
> broke.
And the BBC 1 6pm news covers every single news item mentioned in the meja
in general?
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Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known racist
> > Bill Wright.
> So complaining about BBC bias makes me a racist?
Have you stopped beating your wife?
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known racist
> > Bill Wright.
> So complaining about BBC bias makes me a racist?
> > And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in it.
> It wasn't mentioned at all in the 6pm BBC1 news on the day the story
> broke.
in general?
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Dave Plowman (News)
Sep 25, 2012, 8:37:27 AM9/25/12
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In article <k3s81o$2hp$3...@speranza.aioe.org>,
But, of course, your opinion is not biased?
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stuart noble
Sep 25, 2012, 8:43:10 AM9/25/12
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Man swears at policeman. Millionaire footballer racially abuses some
other halfwit. Do me a favour
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Grimly Curmudgeon
Sep 25, 2012, 8:57:44 AM9/25/12
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>But why should I be made to pay for such a one-sided
>view of the world?
I feel the same every time I read one of your posts, Bill.
>view of the world?
Live and let live.
Richard Tobin
Sep 25, 2012, 9:05:27 AM9/25/12
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In article <k3s83q$2hp$4...@speranza.aioe.org>,
I think it's being a racist that make you complain about the BBC.
-- Richard
I think it's being a racist that make you complain about the BBC.
-- Richard
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charles
Sep 25, 2012, 10:21:29 AM9/25/12
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In article <timstreater-1445...@news.individual.net>, Tim
Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <52d4bdd...@davenoise.co.uk>, "Dave Plowman (News)"
> one of the lead stories at the moment.
I'm coming up with an excuse for my former employer. The 6pm news is
"before the watershead" and some stories might be considered too "grown up"
to be covered at that time.
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Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <52d4bdd...@davenoise.co.uk>, "Dave Plowman (News)"
> <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <k3s83q$2hp$4...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
> > <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
> > > Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > > > Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known
> > > > racist Bill Wright.
> >
> > > So complaining about BBC bias makes me a racist?
> >
> > Have you stopped beating your wife?
> >
> > > > And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in
> > > > it.
> >
> > > It wasn't mentioned at all in the 6pm BBC1 news on the day the story
> > > broke.
> >
> > And the BBC 1 6pm news covers every single news item mentioned in the
> > meja in general?
> I'd have thought they ought to be covering this. It is, or should be,
> > In article <k3s83q$2hp$4...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
> > <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
> > > Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > > > Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known
> > > > racist Bill Wright.
> >
> > > So complaining about BBC bias makes me a racist?
> >
> > Have you stopped beating your wife?
> >
> > > > And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in
> > > > it.
> >
> > > It wasn't mentioned at all in the 6pm BBC1 news on the day the story
> > > broke.
> >
> > And the BBC 1 6pm news covers every single news item mentioned in the
> > meja in general?
> one of the lead stories at the moment.
I'm coming up with an excuse for my former employer. The 6pm news is
"before the watershead" and some stories might be considered too "grown up"
to be covered at that time.
--
From KT24
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Peter Duncanson
Sep 25, 2012, 10:51:06 AM9/25/12
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>The news broke today that South Yorkshire police have flagrantly
>disregarded their duty to protect our children by refusing to prosecute
>the gangs of Pakistanis who have been raping white girls as young as 12,
>for many years.
....
>disregarded their duty to protect our children by refusing to prosecute
>the gangs of Pakistanis who have been raping white girls as young as 12,
>for many years.
>This is surely a story of great national importance, yet it was not
>covered on the BBC’s 6pm news bulletin. Instead the lead story concerned
>a 15 year old girl who has absconded with an older man. There is no
>evidence that she has come to any harm. The story was ‘reportable’
>though, because the man in question is white.
>On ‘Look North’ the Asian rapes did lead the bulletin, but you would
>have needed to listen very carefully to discover that the rapist gangs
>were, in fact Asian. In a long item it was mentioned only once,
>indirectly and in passing.
The first point is that the story does not result from an investigation
>covered on the BBC’s 6pm news bulletin. Instead the lead story concerned
>a 15 year old girl who has absconded with an older man. There is no
>evidence that she has come to any harm. The story was ‘reportable’
>though, because the man in question is white.
>On ‘Look North’ the Asian rapes did lead the bulletin, but you would
>have needed to listen very carefully to discover that the rapist gangs
>were, in fact Asian. In a long item it was mentioned only once,
>indirectly and in passing.
by BBC reporters. It is an exclusive story in the Times newspaper. The
BBC, and other broadcasters have only second-hand knwoledge of it. They
can't go reading out long extracts from newspapers. There is the small
matter of copyright. If the BBC does not have its own evidence to back
up the claims in the Times it has to be very cautious. The BBC
presumably does not have facts. All it has is what the Times has said
which at this stage are just allegations.
The producers of 'Look North' will be very conscious of the need to
avoid triggering racial violence by broadcasting what might yet turn out
to be wrong.
I haven't yet fully read the articles in the Times, but I am conscious
of the fact that police can be convinced that something criminal has
been happening but being unable to proceed because of lack of good
evidence to present in court. In some situations it is very difficult or
impossible to persuade witnesses to come forward and to give evidence in
court.
This can be a particular problem in sexual abuse cases. There can be a
particular difficulty with ongoing sexual abuse of an individual. The
individual may not remember the details of every or indeed any act of
abuse, but a court needs to know what happened, when it happened and
where it happened. Details of just one act will be enough but the court
needs the details or the matter can't be discussed by the prosecuting
and defending lawyers and there can be no trial.
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Brian Gaff
Sep 25, 2012, 11:15:42 AM9/25/12
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I just wondered why you x posted this into the EIY group. Seems somewhat off
topic to me, stilll.
Brian
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> the world?
>
> Bill
topic to me, stilll.
Brian
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> The news broke today that South Yorkshire police have flagrantly
> disregarded their duty to protect our children by refusing to prosecute
> the gangs of Pakistanis who have been raping white girls as young as 12,
> disregarded their duty to protect our children by refusing to prosecute
> the gangs of Pakistanis who have been raping white girls as young as 12,
> for many years. The details of the offences committed over a period of
> years are quite horrific, and it is utterly shocking that nothing has been
> done to put a stop to it. The whole thing has been ignored because of
> political correctness, which has such a grip on our national life that it
> was thought better to allow the rapes to continue rather than risk
> accusations of racism. In ten years there has only been one prosecution,
> yet there have been hundreds of cases.
> years are quite horrific, and it is utterly shocking that nothing has been
> done to put a stop to it. The whole thing has been ignored because of
> political correctness, which has such a grip on our national life that it
> was thought better to allow the rapes to continue rather than risk
> accusations of racism. In ten years there has only been one prosecution,
> yet there have been hundreds of cases.
> This is surely a story of great national importance, yet it was not
> covered on the BBC’s 6pm news bulletin. Instead the lead story concerned a
> 15 year old girl who has absconded with an older man. There is no evidence
> that she has come to any harm. The story was ‘reportable’ though, because
> the man in question is white.
> On ‘Look North’ the Asian rapes did lead the bulletin, but you would have
> needed to listen very carefully to discover that the rapist gangs were, in
> fact Asian. In a long item it was mentioned only once, indirectly and in
> passing.
> covered on the BBC’s 6pm news bulletin. Instead the lead story concerned a
> 15 year old girl who has absconded with an older man. There is no evidence
> that she has come to any harm. The story was ‘reportable’ though, because
> the man in question is white.
> On ‘Look North’ the Asian rapes did lead the bulletin, but you would have
> needed to listen very carefully to discover that the rapist gangs were, in
> fact Asian. In a long item it was mentioned only once, indirectly and in
> passing.
> Later on, after Citizen Khan, we were treated to Mississippi Burning,
> which has to be one of the most po-faced right-on films ever made.
> The BBC’s left wing liberal bias makes it unfit to receive funds from a
> compulsory tax. It’s a great pity because the organisation does many very
> good things. But why should I be made to pay for such a one-sided view of
> which has to be one of the most po-faced right-on films ever made.
> The BBC’s left wing liberal bias makes it unfit to receive funds from a
> compulsory tax. It’s a great pity because the organisation does many very
> the world?
>
> Bill
JohnT
Sep 25, 2012, 11:23:34 AM9/25/12
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Richard Tobin
Sep 25, 2012, 12:13:55 PM9/25/12
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In article <timstreater-F2BF...@news.individual.net>,
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>You mean we're now not allowed to complain about our fearless BBC boys
>and girls
I didn't say anything about what you're allowed to do. There are many
reasons to complain about the BBC. I do it all the time. I just
think that in Bill's case the reason for his behaviour is that he's a
racist. He gives the appearance of positively wanting to stir up
racial tension.
-- Richard
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>You mean we're now not allowed to complain about our fearless BBC boys
>and girls
I didn't say anything about what you're allowed to do. There are many
reasons to complain about the BBC. I do it all the time. I just
think that in Bill's case the reason for his behaviour is that he's a
racist. He gives the appearance of positively wanting to stir up
racial tension.
-- Richard
Roderick Stewart
Sep 25, 2012, 12:18:41 PM9/25/12
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In article <cu8368ltanr1eq66s...@4ax.com>, Martin wrote:
> >>> There is no evidence that she has come to any harm. The story was
> >>> ‘reportable’ though, because the man in question is white.
> >>
> >> ITYF it's because he was her "teacher"
> >>
> >That means he's been CRB checked! Ha!
>
> CRB checks find past offences, they do not predict the future.
> >>> There is no evidence that she has come to any harm. The story was
> >>> ‘reportable’ though, because the man in question is white.
> >>
> >> ITYF it's because he was her "teacher"
> >>
> >That means he's been CRB checked! Ha!
>
I can predict that his future won't include teaching.
Rod.
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harry
Sep 25, 2012, 12:26:20 PM9/25/12
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On Sep 25, 10:59 am, n...@address.invalid wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 03:14:02 +0100, Bill Wright <b...@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Do you think thi is biased then Bill?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg
Right on the nail.
> wrote:
>
>
> Do you think thi is biased then Bill?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg
Peter Duncanson
Sep 25, 2012, 12:27:35 PM9/25/12
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:03:45 +0100, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>In article <j4g368dfdfulks49k...@4ax.com>,
>journalism.
Does the Beeb have the funds for that sort of investigative journalism?
>
>> The producers of 'Look North' will be very conscious of the need to
>> avoid triggering racial violence by broadcasting what might yet turn out
>> to be wrong.
>
>Eh? Did I imagine that various gangs of these people have already been
>sent to prison in the last 12 months?
That does not mean that other suspected people are also guilty.
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>In article <j4g368dfdfulks49k...@4ax.com>,
> Peter Duncanson <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>
>> The first point is that the story does not result from an investigation
>> by BBC reporters. It is an exclusive story in the Times newspaper. The
>> BBC, and other broadcasters have only second-hand knwoledge of it. They
>> can't go reading out long extracts from newspapers. There is the small
>> matter of copyright. If the BBC does not have its own evidence to back
>> up the claims in the Times it has to be very cautious. The BBC
>> presumably does not have facts. All it has is what the Times has said
>> which at this stage are just allegations.
>
>Then the beeb needs to get its finger out and do some investigative
>
>> The first point is that the story does not result from an investigation
>> by BBC reporters. It is an exclusive story in the Times newspaper. The
>> BBC, and other broadcasters have only second-hand knwoledge of it. They
>> can't go reading out long extracts from newspapers. There is the small
>> matter of copyright. If the BBC does not have its own evidence to back
>> up the claims in the Times it has to be very cautious. The BBC
>> presumably does not have facts. All it has is what the Times has said
>> which at this stage are just allegations.
>
>journalism.
Does the Beeb have the funds for that sort of investigative journalism?
>
>> The producers of 'Look North' will be very conscious of the need to
>> avoid triggering racial violence by broadcasting what might yet turn out
>> to be wrong.
>
>sent to prison in the last 12 months?
That does not mean that other suspected people are also guilty.
harry
Sep 25, 2012, 12:45:28 PM9/25/12
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On Sep 25, 5:27 pm, Peter Duncanson <m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:03:45 +0100, Tim Streater
>
> <timstrea...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:03:45 +0100, Tim Streater
>
> >In article <j4g368dfdfulks49k3ip52lm19gicbt...@4ax.com>,
> > Peter Duncanson <m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>
> >> The first point is that the story does not result from an investigation
> >> by BBC reporters. It is an exclusive story in the Times newspaper. The
> >> BBC, and other broadcasters have only second-hand knwoledge of it. They
> >> can't go reading out long extracts from newspapers. There is the small
> >> matter of copyright. If the BBC does not have its own evidence to back
> >> up the claims in the Times it has to be very cautious. The BBC
> >> presumably does not have facts. All it has is what the Times has said
> >> which at this stage are just allegations.
>
> >Then the beeb needs to get its finger out and do some investigative
> >journalism.
>
> Does the Beeb have the funds for that sort of investigative journalism?
>
Well if they should ignore the weather and investigate this sort of
>
> >> The first point is that the story does not result from an investigation
> >> by BBC reporters. It is an exclusive story in the Times newspaper. The
> >> BBC, and other broadcasters have only second-hand knwoledge of it. They
> >> can't go reading out long extracts from newspapers. There is the small
> >> matter of copyright. If the BBC does not have its own evidence to back
> >> up the claims in the Times it has to be very cautious. The BBC
> >> presumably does not have facts. All it has is what the Times has said
> >> which at this stage are just allegations.
>
> >Then the beeb needs to get its finger out and do some investigative
> >journalism.
>
> Does the Beeb have the funds for that sort of investigative journalism?
>
stuff which is far more important.
tim.....
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rj...@escapetime.removethisbit.myzen.co.uk (Roderick Stewart) came up to
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> I can predict that his future won't include teaching.
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recent trial and convictions in a very similar case.
ne...@address.invalid
Sep 25, 2012, 1:37:15 PM9/25/12
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:08:16 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known racist
>Bill Wright.
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known racist
>Bill Wright.
> And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in it.
A serious question, if I may.
If a genuinely non-racist person believed that the BBC were biased
over such a story, how could they raise the matter in such a way as to
avoid any accusation of racism?
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Sep 25, 2012, 2:03:34 PM9/25/12
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On 25/09/2012 16:03 Tim Streater wrote:
> Then the beeb needs to get its finger out and do some investigative
> journalism.
Or just subscribe to Private Eye. That's where many stories are broken
> Then the beeb needs to get its finger out and do some investigative
> journalism.
months ahead of the rest of the media. They've got Ian Hislop's phone
number: he'll probably let them have a decent deal.
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Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 2:27:18 PM9/25/12
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Martin wrote:
>> That means he's been CRB checked! Ha!
>
> CRB checks find past offences, they do not predict the future.
It's totally fucking pointless then. Is that what you mean?
>> That means he's been CRB checked! Ha!
>
> CRB checks find past offences, they do not predict the future.
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 2:29:41 PM9/25/12
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> It wasn't mentioned at all in the 6pm BBC1 news on the day the story
>> broke.
>
> And the BBC 1 6pm news covers every single news item mentioned in the meja
> in general?
This was a really important story. Far more important than most of the
>> It wasn't mentioned at all in the 6pm BBC1 news on the day the story
>> broke.
>
> And the BBC 1 6pm news covers every single news item mentioned in the meja
> in general?
stories in that bulletin. Some of them were positively trivial.
Surely you can see that the uncovering of ten years of the police
ignoring the rape of young girls is an important story?
Bill
Peter Duncanson
Sep 25, 2012, 2:34:50 PM9/25/12
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on TV or radio. TV needs people appearing on camera and radio needs them
being heard. Newspapers just need a reporter saying what he or she has
discovered including a few quotations from named and anonymous people.
This seems to be the sort of situation in which people might be
frightened to talk. A reporter roaming around with a camera or
microphone is unlikely to get anything from anyone in this sort of case.
People who know things just might talk if guaranteed anonymity. They
won't trust that guarantee if a camera or microphone is pointed at them.
TV and radio producers will not like what would be the equivalent of a
reporter reading out a newspaper article with no video or audio clips
from members of the public.
ARW
Sep 25, 2012, 2:39:38 PM9/25/12
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clueless fucking corrupt wankers, and trust me I have plenty of dealings
with them.
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Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 2:43:16 PM9/25/12
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg
>> It's presented as one man's opinion. By definition it's biased. The BBC
>> is supposed to be an impartial public service. By definition it should
>> not be biased.
>> There's no comparison.
>
> But, of course, your opinion is not biased?
Of course it is. We are all biased on these matters, unless we are in a
position in which we are obliged to be impartial, and even then we will
have our private feelings. But you see, I'm a private individual. I'm
not a national corporation funded by public subscription that has
impartiality as its watchword.
Is that so difficult to understand?
Bill
>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg
>> It's presented as one man's opinion. By definition it's biased. The BBC
>> is supposed to be an impartial public service. By definition it should
>> not be biased.
>> There's no comparison.
>
> But, of course, your opinion is not biased?
Of course it is. We are all biased on these matters, unless we are in a
position in which we are obliged to be impartial, and even then we will
have our private feelings. But you see, I'm a private individual. I'm
not a national corporation funded by public subscription that has
impartiality as its watchword.
Is that so difficult to understand?
Bill
>
ARW
Sep 25, 2012, 2:55:34 PM9/25/12
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pupil.
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Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 2:55:34 PM9/25/12
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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> Live and let live.
No. I can express my views as an individual. You don't have to read
them. But we all have to pay for the BBC, which is flagrantly
disregarding its duty of impartiality.
Bill
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 03:14:02 +0100, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>> But why should I be made to pay for such a one-sided
>> view of the world?
>
> I feel the same every time I read one of your posts, Bill.
> wrote:
>
>> But why should I be made to pay for such a one-sided
>> view of the world?
>
> Live and let live.
No. I can express my views as an individual. You don't have to read
them. But we all have to pay for the BBC, which is flagrantly
disregarding its duty of impartiality.
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 3:04:43 PM9/25/12
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Peter Duncanson wrote:
> The first point is that the story does not result from an investigation
> by BBC reporters. It is an exclusive story in the Times newspaper. The
> BBC, and other broadcasters have only second-hand knwoledge of it.
No, there were documents released by several local councils, and the
> The first point is that the story does not result from an investigation
> by BBC reporters. It is an exclusive story in the Times newspaper. The
> BBC, and other broadcasters have only second-hand knwoledge of it.
record of the events of the last ten years and the police reaction to
them is available from source. Coverage on Look North also contradicts
what you say.
> I haven't yet fully read the articles in the Times, but I am conscious
> of the fact that police can be convinced that something criminal has
> been happening but being unable to proceed because of lack of good
> evidence to present in court. In some situations it is very difficult or
> impossible to persuade witnesses to come forward and to give evidence in
> court.
staggeringly bad. No matter how you look at it, it was inexcusable.
The details in the Times are so specific about some incidents that I
don't think they would dare publish them unless they were absolutely
certain of their facts.
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 3:07:18 PM9/25/12
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Brian Gaff wrote:
> I just wondered why you x posted this into the EIY group. Seems somewhat off
> topic to me, stilll.
There are some people on there who I know will find it interesting.
> I just wondered why you x posted this into the EIY group. Seems somewhat off
> topic to me, stilll.
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 3:22:43 PM9/25/12
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rumours running all round Rotherham that Asian blokes and raping white
girls, but you won't see much about it on the telly news, is just asking
to get people wound up. Far better to get it out in the open, give the
Asian community leaders a chance to stand up and condemn the rogues in
their midst, have a proper debate about why it's happening.
Incidentally this isn't 'Asians', it's almost entirely Pakistani Muslims
(lower social class ones; taxi drivers etc). The other Asian religious
and national groups are being unfairly tarred with the same brush, as
are the vast majority of Muslim Pakistanis, who must be appalled at
what's going on.
The sad fact is that the police have been using political correctness as
an excuse for inactivity. This is just another reason why political
correctness is an evil.
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 3:24:12 PM9/25/12
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tim..... wrote:
> There might be a few numpties in the jail that need reading lessons
He hasn't broken the law as far as we know.
> There might be a few numpties in the jail that need reading lessons
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 3:25:51 PM9/25/12
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drives people's thoughts and fears underground. PC is the greatest cause
of racism there is.
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 3:47:46 PM9/25/12
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stuart noble wrote:
> The "news" is now a show. Nobody's going to tell you anything important.
> Man swears at policeman. Millionaire footballer racially abuses some
> other halfwit. Do me a favour
There's a lot in what you say. But the BBC still has a duty of impartiality.
Bill
> The "news" is now a show. Nobody's going to tell you anything important.
> Man swears at policeman. Millionaire footballer racially abuses some
> other halfwit. Do me a favour
There's a lot in what you say. But the BBC still has a duty of impartiality.
Bill
SteveW
Sep 25, 2012, 4:25:30 PM9/25/12
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accompanying someone) out of the country. It is possible that it would
be considered kidnap.
SteveW
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In article <soq368pvrll8955c5...@4ax.com>,
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<ne...@address.invalid> wrote:
> >Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known racist
> >Bill Wright.
> > And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in it.
> A serious question, if I may.
> If a genuinely non-racist person believed that the BBC were biased
> over such a story, how could they raise the matter in such a way as to
> avoid any accusation of racism?
It would be obvious by previous posts.
> >Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known racist
> >Bill Wright.
> > And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in it.
> A serious question, if I may.
> If a genuinely non-racist person believed that the BBC were biased
> over such a story, how could they raise the matter in such a way as to
> avoid any accusation of racism?
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In article <k3su02$cc$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
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Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
> > But, of course, your opinion is not biased?
> Of course it is. We are all biased on these matters, unless we are in a
> position in which we are obliged to be impartial, and even then we will
> have our private feelings. But you see, I'm a private individual. I'm
> not a national corporation funded by public subscription that has
> impartiality as its watchword.
I'd suggest you look up the meaning of 'impartial'.
> > But, of course, your opinion is not biased?
> Of course it is. We are all biased on these matters, unless we are in a
> position in which we are obliged to be impartial, and even then we will
> have our private feelings. But you see, I'm a private individual. I'm
> not a national corporation funded by public subscription that has
> impartiality as its watchword.
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Sep 25, 2012, 7:08:55 PM9/25/12
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In article <k3t0a1$70t$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
Or make any point about it?
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Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
> Incidentally this isn't 'Asians', it's almost entirely Pakistani Muslims
> (lower social class ones; taxi drivers etc). The other Asian religious
> and national groups are being unfairly tarred with the same brush, as
> are the vast majority of Muslim Pakistanis, who must be appalled at
> what's going on.
If a white man rapes a young girl, do you blame a part of the white race?
> Incidentally this isn't 'Asians', it's almost entirely Pakistani Muslims
> (lower social class ones; taxi drivers etc). The other Asian religious
> and national groups are being unfairly tarred with the same brush, as
> are the vast majority of Muslim Pakistanis, who must be appalled at
> what's going on.
Or make any point about it?
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Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 10:55:05 PM9/25/12
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> Of course it is. We are all biased on these matters, unless we are in a
>> position in which we are obliged to be impartial, and even then we will
>> have our private feelings. But you see, I'm a private individual. I'm
>> not a national corporation funded by public subscription that has
>> impartiality as its watchword.
>
> I'd suggest you look up the meaning of 'impartial'.
>
What do you mean?
>> Of course it is. We are all biased on these matters, unless we are in a
>> position in which we are obliged to be impartial, and even then we will
>> have our private feelings. But you see, I'm a private individual. I'm
>> not a national corporation funded by public subscription that has
>> impartiality as its watchword.
>
> I'd suggest you look up the meaning of 'impartial'.
>
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 25, 2012, 11:02:07 PM9/25/12
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <k3t0a1$70t$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Incidentally this isn't 'Asians', it's almost entirely Pakistani Muslims
>> (lower social class ones; taxi drivers etc). The other Asian religious
>> and national groups are being unfairly tarred with the same brush, as
>> are the vast majority of Muslim Pakistanis, who must be appalled at
>> what's going on.
>
> If a white man rapes a young girl, do you blame a part of the white race?
> Or make any point about it?
>
Have another look at the header to my post. I'm not making any point
> In article <k3t0a1$70t$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Incidentally this isn't 'Asians', it's almost entirely Pakistani Muslims
>> (lower social class ones; taxi drivers etc). The other Asian religious
>> and national groups are being unfairly tarred with the same brush, as
>> are the vast majority of Muslim Pakistanis, who must be appalled at
>> what's going on.
>
> If a white man rapes a young girl, do you blame a part of the white race?
> Or make any point about it?
>
about the fact that Pakistani gangs have been praying on under age white
girls. My post was about the fact that the BBC national news didn't
report a story in which it was beyond dispute that the police had
ignored or downgraded countless cases, for whatever reason. My central
allegation is that they were pressured by political correctness. My
conclusion was the PC is a great evil.
Bill
Brian Gaff
Sep 26, 2012, 3:04:43 AM9/26/12
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Yes, well there are probably people on lots of groups who might, but if they
really wanted to hear about that they would also subscribe to a group about
that sort of thing.
As I say, I'm not sure its deliberate bias, its the way the management are
frightened these days, and the lack of any hard news policy.
Brian
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really wanted to hear about that they would also subscribe to a group about
that sort of thing.
As I say, I'm not sure its deliberate bias, its the way the management are
frightened these days, and the lack of any hard news policy.
Brian
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The Natural Philosopher
Sep 26, 2012, 4:25:47 AM9/26/12
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <k3t0a1$70t$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Incidentally this isn't 'Asians', it's almost entirely Pakistani Muslims
>> (lower social class ones; taxi drivers etc). The other Asian religious
>> and national groups are being unfairly tarred with the same brush, as
>> are the vast majority of Muslim Pakistanis, who must be appalled at
>> what's going on.
>
> If a white man rapes a young girl, do you blame a part of the white race?
> Or make any point about it?
>
Of course.
> In article <k3t0a1$70t$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Incidentally this isn't 'Asians', it's almost entirely Pakistani Muslims
>> (lower social class ones; taxi drivers etc). The other Asian religious
>> and national groups are being unfairly tarred with the same brush, as
>> are the vast majority of Muslim Pakistanis, who must be appalled at
>> what's going on.
>
> If a white man rapes a young girl, do you blame a part of the white race?
> Or make any point about it?
>
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Dave Plowman (News)
Sep 26, 2012, 5:49:22 AM9/26/12
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In article <k3tr7h$1j2$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
thing some weeks ago? But haven't bothered with the countless other
stories the BBC haven't covered in the national news?
> My post was about the fact that the BBC national news didn't
> report a story in which it was beyond dispute that the police had
> ignored or downgraded countless cases, for whatever reason. My central
> allegation is that they were pressured by political correctness. My
> conclusion was the PC is a great evil.
You assume too much.
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Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
> Have another look at the header to my post. I'm not making any point
> about the fact that Pakistani gangs have been praying on under age white
> girls.
So in some way different from when you made the same point about a similar
> Have another look at the header to my post. I'm not making any point
> about the fact that Pakistani gangs have been praying on under age white
> girls.
thing some weeks ago? But haven't bothered with the countless other
stories the BBC haven't covered in the national news?
> My post was about the fact that the BBC national news didn't
> report a story in which it was beyond dispute that the police had
> ignored or downgraded countless cases, for whatever reason. My central
> allegation is that they were pressured by political correctness. My
> conclusion was the PC is a great evil.
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Sep 26, 2012, 6:08:01 AM9/26/12
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In article <k3u9ea$kbj$1...@dont-email.me>,
without being OT. But like so many racists, he wants to spread his
'gospel' as widely as possible.
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Brian Gaff <Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes, well there are probably people on lots of groups who might, but if
> they really wanted to hear about that they would also subscribe to a
> group about that sort of thing.
There are probably hundreds of groups where Bill could discuss such things
> Yes, well there are probably people on lots of groups who might, but if
> they really wanted to hear about that they would also subscribe to a
> group about that sort of thing.
without being OT. But like so many racists, he wants to spread his
'gospel' as widely as possible.
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On 25/09/2012 23:06 Tim Streater wrote:
> All the more reason, then, for the Beeb to investigate. Let Paxo do
> something useful for once.
What, do something other than shout and sneer?
He needs to take lessons from Eddie Mair in the art of quiet, polite but
effective interviewing.
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> All the more reason, then, for the Beeb to investigate. Let Paxo do
> something useful for once.
What, do something other than shout and sneer?
He needs to take lessons from Eddie Mair in the art of quiet, polite but
effective interviewing.
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Sep 26, 2012, 10:06:11 AM9/26/12
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:46:36 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <soq368pvrll8955c5...@4ax.com>,
> <ne...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known racist
>> >Bill Wright.
>> > And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in it.
>
>> A serious question, if I may.
>
>> If a genuinely non-racist person believed that the BBC were biased
>> over such a story, how could they raise the matter in such a way as to
>> avoid any accusation of racism?
>
>It would be obvious by previous posts.
Isn't that sort of judgement known as prejudice?
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <soq368pvrll8955c5...@4ax.com>,
> <ne...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >Brian, you're commenting on an ages old post by that well known racist
>> >Bill Wright.
>> > And do you never watch the news? That story was heavily covered in it.
>
>> A serious question, if I may.
>
>> If a genuinely non-racist person believed that the BBC were biased
>> over such a story, how could they raise the matter in such a way as to
>> avoid any accusation of racism?
>
>It would be obvious by previous posts.
Let's start again.
If a genuinely non-racist person
Steve Terry
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it looks like she's is kidnapping him.
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <k3t0a1$70t$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Incidentally this isn't 'Asians', it's almost entirely Pakistani
>> Muslims (lower social class ones; taxi drivers etc). The other Asian
>> religious and national groups are being unfairly tarred with the
>> same brush, as are the vast majority of Muslim Pakistanis, who must
>> be appalled at what's going on.
>
> If a white man rapes a young girl, do you blame a part of the white
> race? Or make any point about it?
>
I would if they were also followers of an Orthodox belief, such as
> In article <k3t0a1$70t$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Incidentally this isn't 'Asians', it's almost entirely Pakistani
>> Muslims (lower social class ones; taxi drivers etc). The other Asian
>> religious and national groups are being unfairly tarred with the
>> same brush, as are the vast majority of Muslim Pakistanis, who must
>> be appalled at what's going on.
>
> If a white man rapes a young girl, do you blame a part of the white
> race? Or make any point about it?
>
Catholics who have may have a Madonna / Whore belief structure.
e.g. A Catholic might believe it's OK to rape a woman they perceive
as a whore but put a on a pedestal a woman they perceive as pure.
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Steve Terry
Sep 26, 2012, 11:37:18 AM9/26/12
to
Martin wrote:
>
Better tell that to the millennium of priests that get caught with their
trousers down and a choir boy on the end of their cock
Then their actions get covered up by their pious superiors
My Grandad was a common or garden Irish Catholic, if he perceived a
woman to be a whore he wouldn't cross the road to piss on her if
she was on fire, and certainly not report another good Catholic for
abusing her in anyway including rape, as in his mind she would have deserved
it.
>
> Would a member of the CofE believe that rape is OK, on or off a
> pedestal
>
I don't call the CofE an Orthodoxy, more a club for pretend believers.
I would expect a member of the CofE to say "the problem with the bible
is people take it as gospel"
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:07:02 +0100, "Steve Terry" <gfou...@tesco.net>
> wrote:
>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <k3t0a1$70t$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
>>> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> Incidentally this isn't 'Asians', it's almost entirely Pakistani
>>>> Muslims (lower social class ones; taxi drivers etc). The other
>>>> Asian religious and national groups are being unfairly tarred with
>>>> the same brush, as are the vast majority of Muslim Pakistanis, who
>>>> must be appalled at what's going on.
>>>
>>> If a white man rapes a young girl, do you blame a part of the white
>>> race? Or make any point about it?
>>>
>> I would if they were also followers of an Orthodox belief, such as
>> Catholics who have may have a Madonna / Whore belief structure.
>>
>> e.g. A Catholic might believe it's OK to rape a woman they perceive
>> as a whore but put a on a pedestal a woman they perceive as pure.
>
> I doubt that any Catholic would believe that raping anybody is OK.
> wrote:
>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <k3t0a1$70t$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
>>> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> Incidentally this isn't 'Asians', it's almost entirely Pakistani
>>>> Muslims (lower social class ones; taxi drivers etc). The other
>>>> Asian religious and national groups are being unfairly tarred with
>>>> the same brush, as are the vast majority of Muslim Pakistanis, who
>>>> must be appalled at what's going on.
>>>
>>> If a white man rapes a young girl, do you blame a part of the white
>>> race? Or make any point about it?
>>>
>> I would if they were also followers of an Orthodox belief, such as
>> Catholics who have may have a Madonna / Whore belief structure.
>>
>> e.g. A Catholic might believe it's OK to rape a woman they perceive
>> as a whore but put a on a pedestal a woman they perceive as pure.
>
>
Better tell that to the millennium of priests that get caught with their
trousers down and a choir boy on the end of their cock
Then their actions get covered up by their pious superiors
My Grandad was a common or garden Irish Catholic, if he perceived a
woman to be a whore he wouldn't cross the road to piss on her if
she was on fire, and certainly not report another good Catholic for
abusing her in anyway including rape, as in his mind she would have deserved
it.
>
> Would a member of the CofE believe that rape is OK, on or off a
> pedestal
>
I don't call the CofE an Orthodoxy, more a club for pretend believers.
I would expect a member of the CofE to say "the problem with the bible
is people take it as gospel"
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Dave Plowman (News)
Sep 26, 2012, 11:40:35 AM9/26/12
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In article <1n26689tpsgrkupcs...@4ax.com>,
accuse it of bias is begging the question.
Bill brought up more or less the same thing recently. Complained there was
no coverage of it on the BBC - yet I had heard of the impending trial, and
the BBC is my only source of news. The trial itself was fully covered and
discussed on progs like Newsnight and Question Time.
--
*Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake.
<ne...@address.invalid> wrote:
> >> If a genuinely non-racist person believed that the BBC were biased
> >> over such a story, how could they raise the matter in such a way as to
> >> avoid any accusation of racism?
> >
> >It would be obvious by previous posts.
> Isn't that sort of judgement known as prejudice?
> Let's start again.
> If a genuinely non-racist person
> *who you had never heard from before*
> believed that the BBC were biased
> over such a story, how could they raise the matter in such a way as to
> avoid any accusation of racism?
But the BBC hasn't at this point in time covered the story. To therefore
> >> If a genuinely non-racist person believed that the BBC were biased
> >> over such a story, how could they raise the matter in such a way as to
> >> avoid any accusation of racism?
> >
> >It would be obvious by previous posts.
> Isn't that sort of judgement known as prejudice?
> Let's start again.
> If a genuinely non-racist person
> *who you had never heard from before*
> believed that the BBC were biased
> over such a story, how could they raise the matter in such a way as to
> avoid any accusation of racism?
accuse it of bias is begging the question.
Bill brought up more or less the same thing recently. Complained there was
no coverage of it on the BBC - yet I had heard of the impending trial, and
the BBC is my only source of news. The trial itself was fully covered and
discussed on progs like Newsnight and Question Time.
--
*Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake.
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Dave Plowman (News)
Sep 26, 2012, 12:04:40 PM9/26/12
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In article <timstreater-1B2B...@news.individual.net>,
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> And the "problem" with the bible is that
> some folks take it as *literal* which is where the rigidity of their
> beliefs comes from.
That *might* be ok if they had a thorough knowledge of the language it was
first written in, and went by that. And, of course, you trust the
memory/honesty of those who wrote it. Translations invariably are
influenced by the beliefs of those doing the translation.
--
*Why is the time of day with the slowest traffic called rush hour?
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> And the "problem" with the bible is that
> some folks take it as *literal* which is where the rigidity of their
> beliefs comes from.
That *might* be ok if they had a thorough knowledge of the language it was
first written in, and went by that. And, of course, you trust the
memory/honesty of those who wrote it. Translations invariably are
influenced by the beliefs of those doing the translation.
--
*Why is the time of day with the slowest traffic called rush hour?
Clem Dye
Sep 26, 2012, 1:52:10 PM9/26/12
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On 25/09/2012 09:01, Weatherlawyer wrote:
> On Sep 25, 8:18 am, "Brian Gaff"<Bria...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
> You have been trolled by a racist.
> Fancy being so dumb as that.
I fail to see any aspect of racism here. The facts would appear to be
that Asian men have allegedly been raping white girls. These are the
people who are suspected of committing the crimes and have therefore
been arrested.
Stating the men's ethnicity isn't racist either -- it's a fact. The fact
we generally don't hear references to 'white men' per se in the media is
that at present, fair/white-skinned people make up the bulk of the UK
population. In due course, when immigration in the UK has run its course
and white people are in a minority will there be complaints of racism if
the term 'white men' is used when reporting crimes or other issues? I
very much doubt it.
The real crime here, if Bill's reporting of the situation is correct, is
that it's taken so long for the police to get to grips with it for fear
of being accused of being racist.
It's not acceptable for anyone, regardless of their ethnic background,
religious persuasion, whatever, to commit this sort of crime. That it's
not being fully/properly reported is certainly a crime, and the BBC
should do much better than they apparently are here.
Clem
> On Sep 25, 8:18 am, "Brian Gaff"<Bria...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
> You have been trolled by a racist.
> Fancy being so dumb as that.
I fail to see any aspect of racism here. The facts would appear to be
that Asian men have allegedly been raping white girls. These are the
people who are suspected of committing the crimes and have therefore
been arrested.
Stating the men's ethnicity isn't racist either -- it's a fact. The fact
we generally don't hear references to 'white men' per se in the media is
that at present, fair/white-skinned people make up the bulk of the UK
population. In due course, when immigration in the UK has run its course
and white people are in a minority will there be complaints of racism if
the term 'white men' is used when reporting crimes or other issues? I
very much doubt it.
The real crime here, if Bill's reporting of the situation is correct, is
that it's taken so long for the police to get to grips with it for fear
of being accused of being racist.
It's not acceptable for anyone, regardless of their ethnic background,
religious persuasion, whatever, to commit this sort of crime. That it's
not being fully/properly reported is certainly a crime, and the BBC
should do much better than they apparently are here.
Clem
ne...@address.invalid
Sep 26, 2012, 2:13:14 PM9/26/12
to
On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:40:35 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <1n26689tpsgrkupcs...@4ax.com>,
> <ne...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >> If a genuinely non-racist person believed that the BBC were biased
>> >> over such a story, how could they raise the matter in such a way as to
>> >> avoid any accusation of racism?
>> >
>> >It would be obvious by previous posts.
>
>> Isn't that sort of judgement known as prejudice?
>
>> Let's start again.
>
>> If a genuinely non-racist person
>> *who you had never heard from before*
>> believed that the BBC were biased
>> over such a story, how could they raise the matter in such a way as to
>> avoid any accusation of racism?
>
>But the BBC hasn't at this point in time covered the story.
> To therefore accuse it of bias is begging the question.
>
Wasn't that exactly Bill's point, that they hadn't covered it and
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <1n26689tpsgrkupcs...@4ax.com>,
> <ne...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >> If a genuinely non-racist person believed that the BBC were biased
>> >> over such a story, how could they raise the matter in such a way as to
>> >> avoid any accusation of racism?
>> >
>> >It would be obvious by previous posts.
>
>> Isn't that sort of judgement known as prejudice?
>
>> Let's start again.
>
>> If a genuinely non-racist person
>> *who you had never heard from before*
>> believed that the BBC were biased
>> over such a story, how could they raise the matter in such a way as to
>> avoid any accusation of racism?
>
>But the BBC hasn't at this point in time covered the story.
> To therefore accuse it of bias is begging the question.
>
should have?
>Bill brought up more or less the same thing recently. Complained there was
>no coverage of it on the BBC - yet I had heard of the impending trial, and
>the BBC is my only source of news. The trial itself was fully covered and
>discussed on progs like Newsnight and Question Time.
JohnT
Sep 26, 2012, 2:53:20 PM9/26/12
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"Tim Streater" <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote in message
news:timstreater-04E2...@news.individual.net...
> In article <k3v7ff$57r$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Steve Terry" <gfou...@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>> My Grandad was a common or garden Irish Catholic, if he perceived a
>> woman to be a whore he wouldn't cross the road to piss on her if
>> she was on fire, and certainly not report another good Catholic for
>> abusing her in anyway including rape, as in his mind she would have
>> deserved it.
>
> This attitude of course bolsters the Catholic hierarchy in its belief that
>
>> My Grandad was a common or garden Irish Catholic, if he perceived a
>> woman to be a whore he wouldn't cross the road to piss on her if
>> she was on fire, and certainly not report another good Catholic for
>> abusing her in anyway including rape, as in his mind she would have
>> deserved it.
>
> it can - and should - get away with it. More of the fuckers need to be
> sent to prison, and the Catholic Church should be broken up.
>
You are Henry VIII and I claim my 10 shillings.
--
JohnT
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Rick
Sep 26, 2012, 6:09:01 PM9/26/12
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news:k3r419$ite$2...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> The news broke today that South Yorkshire police have flagrantly
> disregarded their duty to protect our children by refusing to prosecute
> the gangs of Pakistanis who have been raping white girls as young as 12,
> for many years. The details of the offences committed over a period of
> years are quite horrific, and it is utterly shocking that nothing has been
> done to put a stop to it. The whole thing has been ignored because of
> political correctness, which has such a grip on our national life that it
> was thought better to allow the rapes to continue rather than risk
> accusations of racism. In ten years there has only been one prosecution,
> yet there have been hundreds of cases.
> This is surely a story of great national importance, yet it was not
> covered on the BBC�s 6pm news bulletin. Instead the lead story concerned a
> 15 year old girl who has absconded with an older man. There is no evidence
> that she has come to any harm. The story was �reportable� though, because
> the man in question is white.
> On �Look North� the Asian rapes did lead the bulletin, but you would have
> needed to listen very carefully to discover that the rapist gangs were, in
> fact Asian. In a long item it was mentioned only once, indirectly and in
> passing.
> Later on, after Citizen Khan, we were treated to Mississippi Burning,
> which has to be one of the most po-faced right-on films ever made.
> The BBC�s left wing liberal bias makes it unfit to receive funds from a
> compulsory tax. It�s a great pity because the organisation does many very
> good things. But why should I be made to pay for such a one-sided view of
> the world?
>
Could this by any chance be related to the same BBC which smuggled cameras
into a private meeting of the BNP in 2004 and tried to get Nick Griffin and
Mark Collett banged up for seven years for committing hate crimes, however
after spending hundreds of thousands of pounds of taxpayers' money and
thousands of police man hours they were completely exonerated by a jury of
their peers, and oh yes what was he recorded saying, I don't suppose by any
chance it could it have included anything about young white girls being
groomed by Asian gangs?
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6135060.stm>
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-414343/BNP-leader-said-Islam-wicked.html>
>
>
>
> The news broke today that South Yorkshire police have flagrantly
> disregarded their duty to protect our children by refusing to prosecute
> the gangs of Pakistanis who have been raping white girls as young as 12,
> for many years. The details of the offences committed over a period of
> years are quite horrific, and it is utterly shocking that nothing has been
> done to put a stop to it. The whole thing has been ignored because of
> political correctness, which has such a grip on our national life that it
> was thought better to allow the rapes to continue rather than risk
> accusations of racism. In ten years there has only been one prosecution,
> yet there have been hundreds of cases.
> This is surely a story of great national importance, yet it was not
> covered on the BBC�s 6pm news bulletin. Instead the lead story concerned a
> 15 year old girl who has absconded with an older man. There is no evidence
> that she has come to any harm. The story was �reportable� though, because
> the man in question is white.
> On �Look North� the Asian rapes did lead the bulletin, but you would have
> needed to listen very carefully to discover that the rapist gangs were, in
> fact Asian. In a long item it was mentioned only once, indirectly and in
> passing.
> Later on, after Citizen Khan, we were treated to Mississippi Burning,
> which has to be one of the most po-faced right-on films ever made.
> The BBC�s left wing liberal bias makes it unfit to receive funds from a
> compulsory tax. It�s a great pity because the organisation does many very
> good things. But why should I be made to pay for such a one-sided view of
> the world?
>
Could this by any chance be related to the same BBC which smuggled cameras
into a private meeting of the BNP in 2004 and tried to get Nick Griffin and
Mark Collett banged up for seven years for committing hate crimes, however
after spending hundreds of thousands of pounds of taxpayers' money and
thousands of police man hours they were completely exonerated by a jury of
their peers, and oh yes what was he recorded saying, I don't suppose by any
chance it could it have included anything about young white girls being
groomed by Asian gangs?
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6135060.stm>
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-414343/BNP-leader-said-Islam-wicked.html>
>
>
Grimly Curmudgeon
Sep 26, 2012, 7:25:29 PM9/26/12
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:11:23 +0100, "tim....."
<tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Instead the lead story concerned a
>> 15 year old girl who has absconded with an older man. There is no evidence
>> that she has come to any harm. The story was �reportable� though, because
<tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Instead the lead story concerned a
>> 15 year old girl who has absconded with an older man. There is no evidence
>> the man in question is white.
>
>ITYF it's because he was her "teacher"
>
And quite rightly too, imo. Totally abused his position of trust, the
durty bastard.
Grimly Curmudgeon
Sep 26, 2012, 7:28:01 PM9/26/12
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 10:59:50 +0100, ne...@address.invalid wrote:
>Do you think thi is biased then Bill?
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg
Ah, the Blessed St Pat.
What I like about him is he detests everyone equally.
Like me.
>Do you think thi is biased then Bill?
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg
Ah, the Blessed St Pat.
What I like about him is he detests everyone equally.
Like me.
Grimly Curmudgeon
Sep 26, 2012, 7:30:40 PM9/26/12
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:02:31 +0100, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> It just means that the teacher has never previously been caught knobbing a
>> pupil.
>
>Is there any evidence (so far, that is) that he's knobbed this one?
She's a hot little piece, that's for sure. I doubt he's had the
strength of character to keep it in his trousers.
The durty bastard.
Otoh, perhaps they just legged it to do a tour of French cemetaries as
part of a history study.
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> It just means that the teacher has never previously been caught knobbing a
>> pupil.
>
>Is there any evidence (so far, that is) that he's knobbed this one?
She's a hot little piece, that's for sure. I doubt he's had the
strength of character to keep it in his trousers.
The durty bastard.
Otoh, perhaps they just legged it to do a tour of French cemetaries as
part of a history study.
The Natural Philosopher
Sep 26, 2012, 7:46:05 PM9/26/12
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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:02:31 +0100, Tim Streater
> <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>>> It just means that the teacher has never previously been caught knobbing a
>>> pupil.
>> Is there any evidence (so far, that is) that he's knobbed this one?
>
> She's a hot little piece, that's for sure.
Actually she looks a total wet. I wouldn't nob that for anything.
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:02:31 +0100, Tim Streater
> <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>>> It just means that the teacher has never previously been caught knobbing a
>>> pupil.
>> Is there any evidence (so far, that is) that he's knobbed this one?
>
> She's a hot little piece, that's for sure.
I doubt he's had the
> strength of character to keep it in his trousers.
> The durty bastard.
> Otoh, perhaps they just legged it to do a tour of French cemetaries as
> part of a history study.
It will last about 4 weeks and she will come home to mum a bit older and
wiser and he will vanish somewhere.
Bill Wright
Sep 26, 2012, 9:40:07 PM9/26/12
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <k3tr7h$1j2$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Have another look at the header to my post. I'm not making any point
>> about the fact that Pakistani gangs have been praying on under age white
>> girls.
>
> So in some way different from when you made the same point about a similar
> thing some weeks ago? But haven't bothered with the countless other
> stories the BBC haven't covered in the national news?
No because what interests me is the fact that the BBC has become a slave
> In article <k3tr7h$1j2$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Have another look at the header to my post. I'm not making any point
>> about the fact that Pakistani gangs have been praying on under age white
>> girls.
>
> So in some way different from when you made the same point about a similar
> thing some weeks ago? But haven't bothered with the countless other
> stories the BBC haven't covered in the national news?
to political correctness, to the extent that their coverage is seriously
flawed. I'm not interested in the fact that they haven't covered other
stories for other, probably legitimate, reasons.
Incidentally another aspect to this might be the fact that this a north
of England story, so will automatically be downgraded by the Londoners
who run the BBC News.
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 26, 2012, 9:41:21 PM9/26/12
to
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> There are probably hundreds of groups where Bill could discuss such things
> without being OT. But like so many racists, he wants to spread his
> 'gospel' as widely as possible.
>
So we can't discuss bias in the media without being called 'racist'.
> There are probably hundreds of groups where Bill could discuss such things
> without being OT. But like so many racists, he wants to spread his
> 'gospel' as widely as possible.
>
This is exactly what's wrong with political correctness.
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 26, 2012, 9:50:40 PM9/26/12
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Steve Terry wrote:
> e.g. A Catholic might believe it's OK to rape a woman they perceive
> as a whore
No they wouldn't. That's just ridiculous.
> e.g. A Catholic might believe it's OK to rape a woman they perceive
> as a whore
Bill
Bill Wright
Sep 26, 2012, 9:54:28 PM9/26/12
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Martin wrote:
>> e.g. A Catholic might believe it's OK to rape a woman they perceive
>> as a whore but put a on a pedestal a woman they perceive as pure.
>
>> e.g. A Catholic might believe it's OK to rape a woman they perceive
>> as a whore but put a on a pedestal a woman they perceive as pure.
>
> I doubt that any Catholic would believe that raping anybody is OK.
>
>
> Would a member of the CofE believe that rape is OK, on or off a
> pedestal?
I think what we're edging towards here is the suggestion that some Asian
groups regard woman as the playthings of men. This is the sort of
culture clash that causes all the bother.
Bill
Steve Terry
Sep 27, 2012, 1:02:42 AM9/27/12
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To be fair there should be calls against Naziphobia too
Unfortunately one can only judge using historical hindsight just how
fascist an orthodoxy was at the time.
So it's understandable that people living in one at the time fail to gain
insight in how nasty their orthodoxy is.
e.g. Maybe many joined the SS cos of the smart Boss Hugo uniform?
Steve Terry
Sep 27, 2012, 1:07:37 AM9/27/12
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Steve Terry
Sep 27, 2012, 1:09:33 AM9/27/12
to
Steve Terry
Sep 27, 2012, 1:11:47 AM9/27/12
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The Natural Philosopher
Sep 27, 2012, 4:02:45 AM9/27/12
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Steve Terry wrote:
> Bill Wright wrote:
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>>>> e.g. A Catholic might believe it's OK to rape a woman they perceive
>>>> as a whore but put a on a pedestal a woman they perceive as pure.
>>> I doubt that any Catholic would believe that raping anybody is OK.
>>>
>>> Would a member of the CofE believe that rape is OK, on or off a
>>> pedestal?
>> I think what we're edging towards here is the suggestion that some
>> Asian groups regard woman as the playthings of men. This is the sort
>> of culture clash that causes all the bother.
>> Bill
>>
> Is there an Orthodoxy that doesn't regard women as the plaything of men?
>
> Steve Terry
wicca.
> Bill Wright wrote:
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>>>> e.g. A Catholic might believe it's OK to rape a woman they perceive
>>>> as a whore but put a on a pedestal a woman they perceive as pure.
>>> I doubt that any Catholic would believe that raping anybody is OK.
>>>
>>> Would a member of the CofE believe that rape is OK, on or off a
>>> pedestal?
>> I think what we're edging towards here is the suggestion that some
>> Asian groups regard woman as the playthings of men. This is the sort
>> of culture clash that causes all the bother.
>> Bill
>>
> Is there an Orthodoxy that doesn't regard women as the plaything of men?
>
> Steve Terry
That regards men qas palythings of women.
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