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Phil Cook
Apr 16, 2012, 2:05:18 PM4/16/12
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They were playing with the lights the other night. The lattice tower lit
up with white led lights and faded a few times while I could be bothered
to watch and a search light beaming out from mid height.
--
Phil Cook
up with white led lights and faded a few times while I could be bothered
to watch and a search light beaming out from mid height.
--
Phil Cook
Mark Carver
Apr 16, 2012, 2:15:12 PM4/16/12
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<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Arqiva-Switchover-Night/255795494509582?sk=photos>
Where to watch from:-
<http://www.arqiva.com/corporate/digital-switch-over/digital-switch-over-london-region/switchovernight/blog/where_to_watch.asp>
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Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.
www.paras.org.uk
Phil Cook
Apr 16, 2012, 2:27:15 PM4/16/12
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On 16/04/2012 19:15, Mark Carver wrote:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> They were playing with the lights the other night. The lattice tower lit
>> up with white led lights and faded a few times while I could be bothered
>> to watch and a search light beaming out from mid height.
>
> Picture of last night's CP Light Show test, plus other shots here:-
>
> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Arqiva-Switchover-Night/255795494509582?sk=photos>
So it might not have been white or leds... :-(
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> They were playing with the lights the other night. The lattice tower lit
>> up with white led lights and faded a few times while I could be bothered
>> to watch and a search light beaming out from mid height.
>
> Picture of last night's CP Light Show test, plus other shots here:-
>
> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Arqiva-Switchover-Night/255795494509582?sk=photos>
> Where to watch from:-
>
My front room has a superb view of the tower on the Sydenham-Norwood
skyline.
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Phil Cook
Michael Chare
Apr 16, 2012, 6:45:16 PM4/16/12
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Michael Chare
Mark Carver
Apr 17, 2012, 2:29:29 AM4/17/12
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BBC 1 will probably go at their programme junction at 00:10, ITV and C4
shortly afterwards, they don't seem fussed about going mid programme.
C5 from Croydon is rumoured to be staying on until 09:00hrs according to
some DUK literature, we'll see eh !
paul.go...@aircom.co.uk
Apr 17, 2012, 5:31:00 AM4/17/12
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On Apr 16, 7:15 pm, Mark Carver <mark.car...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Where to watch from:-
>
> <http://www.arqiva.com/corporate/digital-switch-over/digital-switch-ov...>
> Where to watch from:-
>
I see the display starts at 9:15pm. How long does it go on for?
Does anyone know if I will be able to see it from Epsom Downs?
Phil Cook
Apr 17, 2012, 5:46:57 AM4/17/12
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they were doing some more practice last night; searchlights on the
ground plying on the tower.
--
Phil Cook
Bill Wright
Apr 17, 2012, 6:12:22 AM4/17/12
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I could see the Hackney Marshes,
If it wasn't for the houses in between.
Personally I will be climbing to the top floor of the Co-operative
Emporium in Doncaster. I'm bound to see it from there.
Bill
J G Miller
Apr 17, 2012, 6:19:36 AM4/17/12
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On Tuesday, April 17th, 2012, at 11:12:22h +0100, Bill Wright explained:
in Bromley you can see 8 continents?"
<http://www.slatermethuen.co.UK/hackenthorpe/>
>
> Personally I will be climbing to the top floor of the Co-operative
> Emporium in Doncaster. I'm bound to see it from there.
"Did you know that from the top of the Prudential Assurance Building
> Personally I will be climbing to the top floor of the Co-operative
> Emporium in Doncaster. I'm bound to see it from there.
in Bromley you can see 8 continents?"
<http://www.slatermethuen.co.UK/hackenthorpe/>
Paul Ratcliffe
Apr 17, 2012, 7:16:28 AM4/17/12
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:12:22 +0100, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> I see the display starts at 9:15pm. How long does it go on for?
>> Does anyone know if I will be able to see it from Epsom Downs?
>
> With a ladder and some glasses,
> I could see the Hackney Marshes,
> If it wasn't for the houses in between.
>
> Personally I will be climbing to the top floor of the Co-operative
> Emporium in Doncaster. I'm bound to see it from there.
I've got to go to some skanky football ground in Aldershot tonight.
>> I see the display starts at 9:15pm. How long does it go on for?
>> Does anyone know if I will be able to see it from Epsom Downs?
>
> With a ladder and some glasses,
> I could see the Hackney Marshes,
> If it wasn't for the houses in between.
>
> Personally I will be climbing to the top floor of the Co-operative
> Emporium in Doncaster. I'm bound to see it from there.
What joy. Doncaster's probably preferable... oh, on second thoughts...
Phil Cook
Apr 17, 2012, 8:32:16 AM4/17/12
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go up you can sample the delights of Donny next season cos they are
relegated!
--
Phil Cook
Mark Carver
Apr 17, 2012, 1:58:47 PM4/17/12
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http://www.arqiva.com/corporate/press/archive/2012/2012-4-17%20-%20Arqiva%20switches%20London%20to%20all-digital%20TV.pdf
Something in my water tells me there might be something out of the ordinary to
be seen (as DSOs go) tonight.
dave
Apr 17, 2012, 2:53:24 PM4/17/12
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On 17/04/12 18:58, Mark Carver wrote:
> Michael Chare wrote:
>> On 16/04/2012 19:05, Phil Cook wrote:
>>> They were playing with the lights the other night. The lattice tower lit
>>> up with white led lights and faded a few times while I could be bothered
>>> to watch and a search light beaming out from mid height.
>>
>> At what time to the analogue transmissions stop?
>
> Some info here:-
>
> http://www.arqiva.com/corporate/press/archive/2012/2012-4-17%20-%20Arqiva%20switches%20London%20to%20all-digital%20TV.pdf
>
>
> Something in my water tells me there might be something out of the
> ordinary to be seen (as DSOs go) tonight.
>
>
>
At 21:15, a two-and-a-half-minute opening sequence will culminate with a
> Michael Chare wrote:
>> On 16/04/2012 19:05, Phil Cook wrote:
>>> They were playing with the lights the other night. The lattice tower lit
>>> up with white led lights and faded a few times while I could be bothered
>>> to watch and a search light beaming out from mid height.
>>
>> At what time to the analogue transmissions stop?
>
> Some info here:-
>
> http://www.arqiva.com/corporate/press/archive/2012/2012-4-17%20-%20Arqiva%20switches%20London%20to%20all-digital%20TV.pdf
>
>
> Something in my water tells me there might be something out of the
> ordinary to be seen (as DSOs go) tonight.
>
>
>
beam of light shooting up the tower and radiating out over London.
The tower will remain illuminated until 23:00 and light up again the
following night at the same time.
200,000 watts – 7.5 billion candlepower – of energy-efficient lighting,
the same wattage used to light the Eiffel Tower in Paris, will
illuminate the 219 metre tall structure.
Visible across London, the explosion of light will culminate with a beam
of light shooting up the tower and all over London, representing the
invisible digital TV signals.
More than 6 tonnes of lighting equipment has been installed on the tower
in readiness for switchover. The 7000 watt, billion candlepower search
lights that will beam out across London weigh 100 kilos alone have been
installed 130 metres above the ground by a team of 20 riggers
In addition to the public lighting display, there is a special event at
the foot of the tower to mark the switchover. Hosted by Chris Evans, the
event will feature an appearance by Sir David Attenborough, who is
celebrating his 60th year in broadcasting and will talk about the
evolution of broadcasting during his lifetime.
http://www.waveguide.co.uk/news120416.htm#Londons%20Digital%20Switchover
Mark Carver
Apr 17, 2012, 2:56:47 PM4/17/12
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dave wrote:
> On 17/04/12 18:58, Mark Carver wrote:
>> Something in my water tells me there might be something out of the
>> ordinary to be seen (as DSOs go) tonight.
> At 21:15, a two-and-a-half-minute opening sequence will culminate with a
> beam of light shooting up the tower and radiating out over London.
Yes, we know that, that's tomorrow night, I was referring to the period
> On 17/04/12 18:58, Mark Carver wrote:
>> Something in my water tells me there might be something out of the
>> ordinary to be seen (as DSOs go) tonight.
> At 21:15, a two-and-a-half-minute opening sequence will culminate with a
> beam of light shooting up the tower and radiating out over London.
between 00:01 and 00:30hrs later 'tonight'.
Bill Wright
Apr 17, 2012, 4:58:43 PM4/17/12
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Mark Carver wrote:
> Something in my water tells me there might be something out of the
> ordinary to be seen (as DSOs go) tonight.
Haven't you got that kitchen floor dry yet?
> Something in my water tells me there might be something out of the
> ordinary to be seen (as DSOs go) tonight.
Bill
Michael Chare
Apr 17, 2012, 7:58:45 PM4/17/12
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My reception of digital channels particularly Muxes A, and C (Ch 32 and
34) is already much better.
--
Michael Chare
Roderick Stewart
Apr 18, 2012, 3:38:55 AM4/18/12
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In article <jmke74$p4n$1...@dont-email.me>, Dave wrote:
> At 21:15, a two-and-a-half-minute opening sequence will culminate with a
> beam of light shooting up the tower and radiating out over London.
>
> The tower will remain illuminated until 23:00 and light up again the
> following night at the same time.
>
> 200,000 watts – 7.5 billion candlepower – of energy-efficient lighting,
> the same wattage used to light the Eiffel Tower in Paris, will
> illuminate the 219 metre tall structure.
>
> Visible across London, the explosion of light will culminate with a beam
> of light shooting up the tower and all over London, representing the
> invisible digital TV signals.
>
> More than 6 tonnes of lighting equipment has been installed on the tower
> in readiness for switchover. The 7000 watt, billion candlepower search
> lights that will beam out across London weigh 100 kilos alone have been
> installed 130 metres above the ground by a team of 20 riggers
>
> In addition to the public lighting display, there is a special event at
> the foot of the tower to mark the switchover. Hosted by Chris Evans, the
> event will feature an appearance by Sir David Attenborough, who is
> celebrating his 60th year in broadcasting and will talk about the
> evolution of broadcasting during his lifetime.
> http://www.waveguide.co.uk/news120416.htm#Londons%20Digital%20Switchover
I hope they all realise that the evolution of broadcasting has included its
> At 21:15, a two-and-a-half-minute opening sequence will culminate with a
> beam of light shooting up the tower and radiating out over London.
>
> The tower will remain illuminated until 23:00 and light up again the
> following night at the same time.
>
> 200,000 watts – 7.5 billion candlepower – of energy-efficient lighting,
> the same wattage used to light the Eiffel Tower in Paris, will
> illuminate the 219 metre tall structure.
>
> Visible across London, the explosion of light will culminate with a beam
> of light shooting up the tower and all over London, representing the
> invisible digital TV signals.
>
> More than 6 tonnes of lighting equipment has been installed on the tower
> in readiness for switchover. The 7000 watt, billion candlepower search
> lights that will beam out across London weigh 100 kilos alone have been
> installed 130 metres above the ground by a team of 20 riggers
>
> In addition to the public lighting display, there is a special event at
> the foot of the tower to mark the switchover. Hosted by Chris Evans, the
> event will feature an appearance by Sir David Attenborough, who is
> celebrating his 60th year in broadcasting and will talk about the
> evolution of broadcasting during his lifetime.
> http://www.waveguide.co.uk/news120416.htm#Londons%20Digital%20Switchover
spread to places other than London, where millions of people have been
watching digital pictures for years. We never got any of this ballyhoo for
Winter Hill.
Rod.
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Paul Ratcliffe
Apr 18, 2012, 8:46:37 AM4/18/12
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:32:16 +0100, Phil Cook <ph...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk>
wrote:
>> I've got to go to some skanky football ground in Aldershot tonight.
>> What joy. Doncaster's probably preferable... oh, on second thoughts...
>
> Down the Shots eh?
Yes.
> Are The Robins not assured of promotion yet?
No, and still not since they lost last night.
> When you go up you can sample the delights of Donny next season cos
> they are relegated!
I doubt we'll go and I doubt it'll be me anyway, although I do seem to
get a lot of short straws.
wrote:
>> I've got to go to some skanky football ground in Aldershot tonight.
>> What joy. Doncaster's probably preferable... oh, on second thoughts...
>
> Down the Shots eh?
> Are The Robins not assured of promotion yet?
> When you go up you can sample the delights of Donny next season cos
> they are relegated!
get a lot of short straws.
Phil Cook
Apr 18, 2012, 5:16:16 PM4/18/12
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On 17/04/2012 19:53, dave wrote:
> At 21:15, a two-and-a-half-minute opening sequence will culminate with a
> beam of light shooting up the tower and radiating out over London.
>
> The tower will remain illuminated until 23:00 and light up again the
> following night at the same time.
Bit of a damp squib tonight. CP was enveloped in a cloud. :-(
> At 21:15, a two-and-a-half-minute opening sequence will culminate with a
> beam of light shooting up the tower and radiating out over London.
>
> The tower will remain illuminated until 23:00 and light up again the
> following night at the same time.
--
Phil Cook
Mizter T
Apr 18, 2012, 6:47:48 PM4/18/12
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might be better, though the forecast isn't all that hopeful...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743
A couple of photos via arqiva's SwitchoverNight Twitter channel:
http://twitter.com/#!/_Matthew_Ward_/status/192731653150474240/
http://twitpic.com/9bdlza
Mizter T
Apr 18, 2012, 7:05:07 PM4/18/12
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On Apr 18, 8:38 am, Roderick Stewart
<r...@escapetime.removethisbit.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > At 21:15, a two-and-a-half-minute opening sequence will culminate with a
> > beam of light shooting up the tower and radiating out over London.
>
> > The tower will remain illuminated until 23:00 and light up again the
> > following night at the same time.
>
> I hope they all realise that the evolution of broadcasting has included its
> spread to places other than London, where millions of people have been
> watching digital pictures for years. We never got any of this ballyhoo for
> Winter Hill.
Worth noting this is/was very much an arqiva jolly, and Digital UK
> I hope they all realise that the evolution of broadcasting has included its
> spread to places other than London, where millions of people have been
> watching digital pictures for years. We never got any of this ballyhoo for
> Winter Hill.
didn't have anything to do with it.
J G Miller
Apr 18, 2012, 7:35:27 PM4/18/12
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On Wednesday, April 18th, 2012, at 16:05:07h -0700, Mizter T wrote:
> Worth noting this is/was very much an arqiva jolly
So how much will it reduce this year's profits?
> Worth noting this is/was very much an arqiva jolly
It seems a very poor way to spend the company's income.
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ne...@address.invalid
Apr 19, 2012, 5:38:00 AM4/19/12
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were turned off and the tower was entirely dark - while aircraft could
be heard passing over.
tony sayer
Apr 19, 2012, 9:22:04 AM4/19/12
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In article <34nvo7tt9oja9pa84...@4ax.com>,
ne...@address.invalid scribeth thus
If commercial jets are flying that low then they have a serious problem
anyway .. a few lights aren't like y to make any odds
I doubt light aircraft will be buzzing around at that hour .
I rather expect Arqiva to have taken advice from the CAA pinout their
mast lighting somehow. They have got a quite a few of them ;)...
--
Tony Sayer
ne...@address.invalid scribeth thus
anyway .. a few lights aren't like y to make any odds
I doubt light aircraft will be buzzing around at that hour .
I rather expect Arqiva to have taken advice from the CAA pinout their
mast lighting somehow. They have got a quite a few of them ;)...
--
Tony Sayer
Mark Carver
Apr 19, 2012, 2:11:24 PM4/19/12
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brightside S9 wrote:
> Doesn't part of tis income come from the TV licence?
Well yes it does, but then you could argue that Thames Water, EDF Energy,
Cisco, Omneon, Microsoft, Sony, Astra, etc etc, also shouldn't hold corporate
bashes, because some of their revenue derives from the TV licence too ?
Well yes it does, but then you could argue that Thames Water, EDF Energy,
Cisco, Omneon, Microsoft, Sony, Astra, etc etc, also shouldn't hold corporate
bashes, because some of their revenue derives from the TV licence too ?
Davey
Apr 19, 2012, 2:16:25 PM4/19/12
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Davey.
Woody
Apr 19, 2012, 3:29:11 PM4/19/12
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The bit that is 'forgotten' is that all didn't go quite to plan.
It was supposed to start at 21:15 but it was 10 minutes or so
late. The blue ground floods lighting the tower went out, then a
few seconds later so did the aircraft lights. Then we heard the
dulcet tones of Chris Evans over a PA system inviting everyone to
do a countdown - 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, zero and a big cheer - except
nothing happened. It must have been 20 seconds or so before the
lights gradually started to illuminate the tower. All sorts of
things going off for about 3 minutes then I noticed the aircraft
lights were back on - not that they were needed.
The trouble was, as another has said, the cloud was below the
searchlights at leg top for most of it so it was just a blur.
If you look at any of the Arqiva publicity shots and/or
helicopter video they must have been done during testing as
nothing was flying last night!
Me? I was sat in the car out of the rain in the parking area
below the old CP terraces. I would guess there was 400-500 people
braving the rain - albeit there was no wind so brolleys were
viable. When I left and drove up to the Parade there must have
been twice as many people there outside the pubs and bars, with
tripods all over the place including in the road. Bus drivers
must have been very patient last night!
--
Woody
harrogate three at ntlworld dot com
It was supposed to start at 21:15 but it was 10 minutes or so
late. The blue ground floods lighting the tower went out, then a
few seconds later so did the aircraft lights. Then we heard the
dulcet tones of Chris Evans over a PA system inviting everyone to
do a countdown - 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, zero and a big cheer - except
nothing happened. It must have been 20 seconds or so before the
lights gradually started to illuminate the tower. All sorts of
things going off for about 3 minutes then I noticed the aircraft
lights were back on - not that they were needed.
The trouble was, as another has said, the cloud was below the
searchlights at leg top for most of it so it was just a blur.
If you look at any of the Arqiva publicity shots and/or
helicopter video they must have been done during testing as
nothing was flying last night!
Me? I was sat in the car out of the rain in the parking area
below the old CP terraces. I would guess there was 400-500 people
braving the rain - albeit there was no wind so brolleys were
viable. When I left and drove up to the Parade there must have
been twice as many people there outside the pubs and bars, with
tripods all over the place including in the road. Bus drivers
must have been very patient last night!
--
Woody
harrogate three at ntlworld dot com
Bill Wright
Apr 19, 2012, 5:45:51 PM4/19/12
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Davey wrote:
>> Personally I will be climbing to the top floor of the Co-operative
>> Emporium in Doncaster. I'm bound to see it from there.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>
> Let me just check that with Java Jive's Line-of-sight program.....
I just did. There's a huge round hill in the way.
>> Personally I will be climbing to the top floor of the Co-operative
>> Emporium in Doncaster. I'm bound to see it from there.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>
> Let me just check that with Java Jive's Line-of-sight program.....
Bill
J G Miller
Apr 19, 2012, 6:28:08 PM4/19/12
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On Thursday, April 19th, 2012, at 19:11:24h +0100, Mark Carver wrote:
> Well yes it does, but then you could argue that Thames Water, EDF Energy,
> Cisco, Omneon, Microsoft, Sony, Astra, etc etc, also shouldn't hold corporate
> bashes, because some of their revenue derives from the TV licence too ?
It is not relevant where the income comes from -- by spending money on
> Well yes it does, but then you could argue that Thames Water, EDF Energy,
> Cisco, Omneon, Microsoft, Sony, Astra, etc etc, also shouldn't hold corporate
> bashes, because some of their revenue derives from the TV licence too ?
"bashes" it is reducing profits, and therefore the level of bonuses which
can be awarded to senior management and of the dividends paid to the stock
holders.
ne...@address.invalid
Apr 19, 2012, 6:44:30 PM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:28:08 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
wrote:
Considering the amount of extra income and profits earned during the
DSO process, I suspect this particular bash has had little effect on
bonuses.
wrote:
DSO process, I suspect this particular bash has had little effect on
bonuses.
tony sayer
Apr 19, 2012, 6:48:31 PM4/19/12
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In article <n451p7d9pgjbs1l0j...@4ax.com>,
ne...@address.invalid scribeth thus
I don't think it unreasonable to do this, what has surprised me is the
lack of TV coverage about the event i.e. the end of TV as we knew it.
Especially the BBC who once owned it..
Course Arqiva do host other media bashes like the awards etc...
--
Tony Sayer
ne...@address.invalid scribeth thus
lack of TV coverage about the event i.e. the end of TV as we knew it.
Especially the BBC who once owned it..
Course Arqiva do host other media bashes like the awards etc...
--
Tony Sayer
Paul Ratcliffe
Apr 19, 2012, 8:05:09 PM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:45:51 +0100, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> Personally I will be climbing to the top floor of the Co-operative
>>> Emporium in Doncaster. I'm bound to see it from there.
>>
>>> Personally I will be climbing to the top floor of the Co-operative
>>> Emporium in Doncaster. I'm bound to see it from there.
>>
>> Let me just check that with Java Jive's Line-of-sight program.....
>
> I just did. There's a huge round hill in the way.
I think it's called England.
>
> I just did. There's a huge round hill in the way.
Bill Wright
Apr 19, 2012, 9:29:09 PM4/19/12
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Bill
Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
Apr 20, 2012, 2:54:00 AM4/20/12
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In article <bIZjr.627$636...@fx30.am4>, harro...@ntlworld.spam.com
almost gave up watching from Croydon assuming it had been cancelled.
No-one around here noticed anything apart from the search lights, the
aircraft hazard lights seemed brighter than the display lights.
Angus
(Woody) wrote:
> It was supposed to start at 21:15 but it was 10 minutes or so
> late.
The repeat show on Thursday night was also at least five minutes late,
> It was supposed to start at 21:15 but it was 10 minutes or so
> late.
almost gave up watching from Croydon assuming it had been cancelled.
No-one around here noticed anything apart from the search lights, the
aircraft hazard lights seemed brighter than the display lights.
Angus
Peter Duncanson
Apr 20, 2012, 4:57:23 AM4/20/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:48:31 +0100, tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk>
wrote:
I'm hundreds of miles away from CP so I can't see what all the fuss is
about. It sounds more like an advertising stunt rather than a company
bash. I'd normally think of a corporate "bash" as being a gathering of
people from various parts of a company. The usual excuse for a bash is
that it is beneficial to the company by bringing together people who
would not normally meet one another, and doing so outside the normal
context of their routine work. The excuse for the social aspects, food,
drink and entertainment, is that it gets people in the right mood for
the business-related activities at the gathering.
The CP illuminations appear to be the sort of thing that a company would
do to raise brand-awareness. The oddity is that the people who might be
impressed, the general public, are not Arqiva customers. They are not
people who decide whether or not to use Arqiva's services.
>Course Arqiva do host other media bashes like the awards etc...
--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)
wrote:
about. It sounds more like an advertising stunt rather than a company
bash. I'd normally think of a corporate "bash" as being a gathering of
people from various parts of a company. The usual excuse for a bash is
that it is beneficial to the company by bringing together people who
would not normally meet one another, and doing so outside the normal
context of their routine work. The excuse for the social aspects, food,
drink and entertainment, is that it gets people in the right mood for
the business-related activities at the gathering.
The CP illuminations appear to be the sort of thing that a company would
do to raise brand-awareness. The oddity is that the people who might be
impressed, the general public, are not Arqiva customers. They are not
people who decide whether or not to use Arqiva's services.
>Course Arqiva do host other media bashes like the awards etc...
--
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)
J G Miller
Apr 20, 2012, 6:46:54 AM4/20/12
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On Friday, April 20th, 2012 09:57:23 +0100, Peter Duncanson wrote:
> They are not people who decide whether or not to use Arqiva's services.
Problem is that Arqiva has somewhat of a monopoly on the domestic
> They are not people who decide whether or not to use Arqiva's services.
radio and TV transmission system.
Q) What is better than state ownership?
A) A foreign owned private monopoly of course.
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