Analogue identifiers failing?
J. P. Gilliver (John)
C O E
on-screen. Now I have deduced that this is probably BBC ONE with some
characters omitted. I'd put it down to the telly's teletext circuitry
being out of alignment, and/or not tuned in, and am not worried about
it, as I only see it while the FreeView PVR is waking up (it takes over
from the analogue tuner when it has booted).
But now I have come to a different house (and TV, obviously), on a
different transmitter (Dover rather than I think Heathfield), and have
just seen the same thing, when I turned the digibox to standby.
_Are_ the (analogue system) channel IDs failing, or is it just a case of
two different receivers being out of adjustment in the same way?
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Mark Carver
> When I turn my analogue telly on, it comes on on BBC1, and shows briefly
>
> C O E
>
> on-screen. Now I have deduced that this is probably BBC ONE with some
> characters omitted. I'd put it down to the telly's teletext circuitry
> being out of alignment, and/or not tuned in, and am not worried about
> it, as I only see it while the FreeView PVR is waking up (it takes over
> from the analogue tuner when it has booted).
>
> But now I have come to a different house (and TV, obviously), on a
> different transmitter (Dover rather than I think Heathfield), and have
> just seen the same thing, when I turned the digibox to standby.
My telly was doing just that years ago on BBC 1, presenting the banner as
'C O E' way back into the 90s, so I don't think it's a new anomaly, and I
noticed it on Rowridge.
> _Are_ the (analogue system) channel IDs failing, or is it just a case of
> two different receivers being out of adjustment in the same way?
I don't think any attention is being applied to the analogue networks now.
I noticed yesterday C5 Hannington has no ITS insertion signals in the VBI, I'd
have thought that would have alarms ringing in the monitoring system, but
obviously not !?
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Mike
Mark Carver <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>I don't think any attention is being applied to the analogue networks now.
>I noticed yesterday C5 Hannington has no ITS insertion signals in the VBI
Well Channel 5 seem to be trying to break analogue AND digital at once,
over the last week or so the sound on some programmes has been ropey,
even by modern broadcast standards. On analogue and digital.
It sounds like someone's put an enthusiastic automatic level control or
compressor on the audio. It's harder to spot on adverts, as they are already
fairly crushed, but programmes where there is "silence" with small background
sounds seem to be roaring in ... and when it's at its worst, it's quite
fatiguing to listen to.
This is on analogue from Lichfield, digital from Sutton Coldfield, multiple
sets.
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It is all too easy to "Mask" alarms on modern systems which can cause
all sorts of problems.
Many years ago when Burghead still had proper transmitters, the first
thing the STE taught me was how to stop various alarms - they were not
all as easy as just pressing a button.
Bill Wright
> My telly was doing just that years ago on BBC 1, presenting the banner as
> 'C O E' way back into the 90s, so I don't think it's a new anomaly, and
> I noticed it on Rowridge.
The first time I saw it was in Scotland, many years ago, on a small
screen Sony. I've seen it since, always on small screen Sonys. I just
assumed it was a Sony thing.
Bill
Dave Plowman (News)
Mike <m...@signal11.invalid> wrote:
> Well Channel 5 seem to be trying to break analogue AND digital at once,
> over the last week or so the sound on some programmes has been ropey,
> even by modern broadcast standards. On analogue and digital.
> It sounds like someone's put an enthusiastic automatic level control or
> compressor on the audio. It's harder to spot on adverts, as they are
> already fairly crushed, but programmes where there is "silence" with
> small background sounds seem to be roaring in ... and when it's at its
> worst, it's quite fatiguing to listen to
I'm in the workshop now, so can check some levels off FreeView. The
Wright Stuff (CH5) is pumping away - but only peaking PPM4. BBC1, PPM5.
The PPM is set to PPM6 being -10dBFS. R1 wraps round the end stop. ;-)
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Mike
Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>> but programmes where there is "silence" with
>> small background sounds seem to be roaring in ... and when it's at its
>> worst, it's quite fatiguing to listen to
>
>I'm in the workshop now, so can check some levels off FreeView. The
>Wright Stuff (CH5) is pumping away - but only peaking PPM4. BBC1, PPM5.
>The PPM is set to PPM6 being -10dBFS. R1 wraps round the end stop. ;-)
Alternatively, someone's taken a load of the rear (surround) channels of the
incoming programme as delivered, and carefully crowbarred into the mix,
while forgetting to include some of the "centre" channel. Then compressed the
lot for good measure. And added an exciting breathy quality to dialogue too.
Dave Plowman (News)
Mike <m...@signal11.invalid> wrote:
> >I'm in the workshop now, so can check some levels off FreeView. The
> >Wright Stuff (CH5) is pumping away - but only peaking PPM4. BBC1, PPM5.
> >The PPM is set to PPM6 being -10dBFS. R1 wraps round the end stop. ;-)
> Alternatively, someone's taken a load of the rear (surround) channels of
> the incoming programme as delivered, and carefully crowbarred into the
> mix, while forgetting to include some of the "centre" channel. Then
> compressed the lot for good measure. And added an exciting breathy
> quality to dialogue too.
Would the Wright Stuff be made in surround? It barely deserves mono.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
>In article <j136ct$ht5$1...@posie.signal11.org.uk>,
> Mike <m...@signal11.invalid> wrote:
>> Well Channel 5 seem to be trying to break analogue AND digital at once,
>> over the last week or so the sound on some programmes has been ropey,
>> even by modern broadcast standards. On analogue and digital.
>
>> It sounds like someone's put an enthusiastic automatic level control or
>> compressor on the audio. It's harder to spot on adverts, as they are
>> already fairly crushed, but programmes where there is "silence" with
>> small background sounds seem to be roaring in ... and when it's at its
>> worst, it's quite fatiguing to listen to
>
>I'm in the workshop now, so can check some levels off FreeView. The
>Wright Stuff (CH5) is pumping away - but only peaking PPM4. BBC1, PPM5.
>The PPM is set to PPM6 being -10dBFS. R1 wraps round the end stop. ;-)
>
between CSIs on 5USA of an evening? It seems to be only the live
announcements - "Now of 5USA ...", "... contains flashing images" - that
are distorted, not the programmes (even with their heavy rock start/end
music), trailers, or commercials. [These may all have some compression,
but aren't actually distorted.] It's as if the announcer has the
microphone actually in his mouth, it's so bad. It's been that way for
several days if not longer; I'd be interested to hear whether it's
_technically_ noticeable.
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Dave Plowman (News)
J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >I'm in the workshop now, so can check some levels off FreeView. The
> >Wright Stuff (CH5) is pumping away - but only peaking PPM4. BBC1, PPM5.
> >The PPM is set to PPM6 being -10dBFS. R1 wraps round the end stop. ;-)
> >
> Could you monitor the live announcements (not trailers and adverts)
> between CSIs on 5USA of an evening? It seems to be only the live
> announcements - "Now of 5USA ...", "... contains flashing images" - that
> are distorted, not the programmes (even with their heavy rock start/end
> music), trailers, or commercials. [These may all have some compression,
> but aren't actually distorted.] It's as if the announcer has the
> microphone actually in his mouth, it's so bad. It's been that way for
> several days if not longer; I'd be interested to hear whether it's
> _technically_ noticeable.
Will do. But you already know the answer. Snag with FreeView is the system
allows much higher peaks than the FM chain on analogue. Due to the way it
is lined up.
Other very noticeable nasty is on BBC1 - the difference in level between
the 6pm news and the local London one.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
>In article <VO91OsY0...@soft255.demon.co.uk>,
> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Could you monitor the live announcements (not trailers and adverts)
>> between CSIs on 5USA of an evening? It seems to be only the live
>Will do. But you already know the answer. Snag with FreeView is the system
>allows much higher peaks than the FM chain on analogue. Due to the way it
>is lined up.
But even if I have the volume turned way down, these still sound
distorted.
>
>Other very noticeable nasty is on BBC1 - the difference in level between
>the 6pm news and the local London one.
>
Breakfast BBC1, and News 24 or whatever it's called this week, also seem
pretty hopeless at levels and distortion levels - when they go to and
from the weather, for example. One gets the impression that either
nobody is monitoring the audio (which I suspect is the case: they
probably monitor the video, but having someone monitor the audio is
probably expensive) - or, they have an aversion to adjusting the level
after a cut, as that would be a sort of admission they'd got it wrong.
(I'd rather have that - level turned up or down after a second or two -
than the whole segment blasting or whispering.)
Mike
Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>Would the Wright Stuff be made in surround? It barely deserves mono.
I doubt it, but I haven't lowered my TV watching standards *that* far
yet :)