Having just joined this newsgroup, I am fascinated by the diversity of the comment and conversation that goes on. As an avid golfer it is interesting to note that the conversations are not so different to those that flow in any club. This is especially true when any golfers get to yak on about the few simple rules that we have, and the multitude of obscure descisions!
Which leads me on to my point. How many golfers, no matter how good they are, are actually au fait with even the main rules of golf??
So far, in my experience, the most heated debate seems to revolve around where a ball is dropped, especially in respect to GUR.
Most of this I would contend is down to ignorance, which is usually remedied with tact & diplomacy.
I help put together a newsletter for my club, and these sorts of rules queries are the sort of thing that would be ideal for inclusion. Have those who post the questions and/or answers any objections to me using their experiences for the newsletter? I have got those queries posted from 11 Feb onwards (4 up after 2), and would welcome any others that were posted prior to that.
Many thanks. I am looking forward to being able to contribute to the NG.
Andy Neal Diplomacy is the art of telling people to go to hell in such a way that they enjoy the trip!
Here is the tiebreaker from last night`s SGU rules quiz at Southerness GC.
Player "A" hits the ball at the 1st hole, 150 yards into a whin bush, declares the ball unplayable and decides to change his ball even although there is nothing wrong with it. He drops a yellow ball instead of his white ball. Nothing daunted, he hits his next shot into the rough and finds it after a search of 4 minutes by standing on it. He replaces the ball to it`s original position and hits his next shot into a greenside bunker. He plays the ball onto the green ; he then putts to 6" from the hole and finds he has played the wrong ball out of the bunker. His partner says there is no penalty for playing a wrong ball out of the bunker so he holes the 6" putt. However "A" is not so sure and goes back and finds his original ball, which is not actually in the bunker. He then holes his next shot with that ball. What did player "A" score or was he disqualified ?.
-- Bob Blair In article <7c1kd2$an...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Andy Neal <andyneal@local colour.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>Having just joined this newsgroup, I am fascinated by the diversity of the >comment and conversation that goes on. As an avid golfer it is interesting >to note that the conversations are not so different to those that flow in >any club. This is especially true when any golfers get to yak on about the >few simple rules that we have, and the multitude of obscure descisions!
>Which leads me on to my point. How many golfers, no matter how good they >are, are actually au fait with even the main rules of golf??
>So far, in my experience, the most heated debate seems to revolve around >where a ball is dropped, especially in respect to GUR.
>Most of this I would contend is down to ignorance, which is usually remedied >with tact & diplomacy.
>I help put together a newsletter for my club, and these sorts of rules >queries are the sort of thing that would be ideal for inclusion. Have those >who post the questions and/or answers any objections to me using their >experiences for the newsletter? I have got those queries posted from 11 Feb >onwards (4 up after 2), and would welcome any others that were posted prior >to that.
>Many thanks. I am looking forward to being able to contribute to the NG.
>Andy Neal >Diplomacy is the art of telling people to go >to hell in such a way that they enjoy the trip!
In article <MkQUeNAugV62E...@georgetown.demon.co.uk>, Bob Blair <bbl...@georgetown.demon.co.uk> writes Hi Bob, This is my pennyworth.
>Here is the tiebreaker from last night`s SGU rules quiz at Southerness >GC.
>Player "A" hits the ball at the 1st hole, 150 yards into a whin bush, >declares the ball unplayable and decides to change his ball even >although there is nothing wrong with it. He drops a yellow ball instead >of his white ball.
Only one stroke penalty, rule 28 b/c. (He shall drop A ball not necessarily thee ball) do not think the colour has any bearing on the situation, unless it has been introduced in the last few years.
>Nothing daunted, he hits his next shot into the rough and finds it after >a search of 4 minutes by standing on it.
Penalty of one stroke. Decisions (18-2a/21.3).
> He replaces the ball to it`s >original position and hits his next shot into a greenside bunker. >He plays the ball onto the green ;
Although it is the wrong ball, no penalty, ball played from hazard.
> he then putts to 6" from the hole
Two stroke penalty, he should have identified his ball prior to putting
> and >finds he has played the wrong ball out of the bunker. >His partner says there is no penalty for playing a wrong ball out of the >bunker so he holes the 6" putt.
No further penalty for the second putt. (15-3. plays a stroke or strokes with wrong ball).
>However "A" is not so sure and goes back and finds his original ball, >which is not actually in the bunker. He then holes his next shot with >that ball. >What did player "A" score or was he disqualified ?.
To me Bob, his final score for the hole was 8. 1. Tee shot. 2. 1 stroke penalty, ball unplayable, 28 b or c. 3. into the rough. 4. 1 stroke penalty, stood on ball, 18-2a/21.3 5. into bunker. 7. 2 stroke penalty, plays wrong ball on putting green. 8. holed his last shot with correct ball.
Thats the best I can do Bob, look forward to answer.
I think the answer is 10. Stroke number: 1: Tee shot into the rough 2: Unplayable lie - 1penalty shot(28-b) 3: Yellow ball wrongly substituted - 2 shot penalty (rule 15-1) 4: " " " " 5: Shot into the rough (the yellow ball is not a wrong ball but a wrongly substituted ball and therefore the shot into the rough counts). 6: Stands on the ball - 1 stroke penalty (18-2a) - "player causes it to move". Player replaced his ball to the original spot so no further penalty. 7: Shot into the bunker. The shot out of the bunker with the wrong ball does not count(rule 15-3). 8+9: The first putt on the green was with a wrong ball - 2 shot penalty (15-3). Again, strokes with a wrong ball do not count so the 6" putt does not count. 10: Player finds, plays and holes out with his "original" ball.
Sorry Fred! I posted my message and found yours there. I think you're right about 28b and dropping "a" ball! I hope you didn't think I was trying to dispute your posting! Best wishes Peter
>In article <MkQUeNAugV62E...@georgetown.demon.co.uk>, Bob Blair ><bbl...@georgetown.demon.co.uk> writes >Hi Bob, >This is my pennyworth. >>Here is the tiebreaker from last night`s SGU rules quiz at Southerness >>GC.
>>Player "A" hits the ball at the 1st hole, 150 yards into a whin bush, >>declares the ball unplayable and decides to change his ball even >>although there is nothing wrong with it. He drops a yellow ball instead >>of his white ball. >Only one stroke penalty, rule 28 b/c. (He shall drop A ball not >necessarily thee ball) do not think the colour has any bearing on the >situation, unless it has been introduced in the last few years.
>>Nothing daunted, he hits his next shot into the rough and finds it after >>a search of 4 minutes by standing on it. >Penalty of one stroke. Decisions (18-2a/21.3). >> He replaces the ball to it`s >>original position and hits his next shot into a greenside bunker. >>He plays the ball onto the green ; >Although it is the wrong ball, no penalty, ball played from hazard. >> he then putts to 6" from the hole >Two stroke penalty, he should have identified his ball prior to putting >> and >>finds he has played the wrong ball out of the bunker. >>His partner says there is no penalty for playing a wrong ball out of the >>bunker so he holes the 6" putt. >No further penalty for the second putt. (15-3. plays a stroke or strokes >with wrong ball). >>However "A" is not so sure and goes back and finds his original ball, >>which is not actually in the bunker. He then holes his next shot with >>that ball. >>What did player "A" score or was he disqualified ?.
>To me Bob, his final score for the hole was 8. >1. Tee shot. >2. 1 stroke penalty, ball unplayable, 28 b or c. >3. into the rough. >4. 1 stroke penalty, stood on ball, 18-2a/21.3 >5. into bunker. >7. 2 stroke penalty, plays wrong ball on putting green. >8. holed his last shot with correct ball.
>Thats the best I can do Bob, look forward to answer.
> Here is the tiebreaker from last night`s SGU rules quiz at Southerness > GC.
> Player "A" hits the ball at the 1st hole, 150 yards into a whin bush, > declares the ball unplayable and decides to change his ball even > although there is nothing wrong with it. He drops a yellow ball instead > of his white ball. > Nothing daunted, he hits his next shot into the rough and finds it after > a search of 4 minutes by standing on it. He replaces the ball to it`s > original position and hits his next shot into a greenside bunker. > He plays the ball onto the green ; he then putts to 6" from the hole and > finds he has played the wrong ball out of the bunker. > His partner says there is no penalty for playing a wrong ball out of the > bunker so he holes the 6" putt. > However "A" is not so sure and goes back and finds his original ball, > which is not actually in the bunker. He then holes his next shot with > that ball. > What did player "A" score or was he disqualified ?.
> -- > Bob Blair > In article <7c1kd2$an...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Andy Neal <andyneal@local > colour.freeserve.co.uk> writes > >Ladies and Gents
> >Having just joined this newsgroup, I am fascinated by the diversity of the > >comment and conversation that goes on. As an avid golfer it is interesting > >to note that the conversations are not so different to those that flow in > >any club. This is especially true when any golfers get to yak on about the > >few simple rules that we have, and the multitude of obscure descisions!
> >Which leads me on to my point. How many golfers, no matter how good they > >are, are actually au fait with even the main rules of golf??
> >So far, in my experience, the most heated debate seems to revolve around > >where a ball is dropped, especially in respect to GUR.
> >Most of this I would contend is down to ignorance, which is usually remedied > >with tact & diplomacy.
> >I help put together a newsletter for my club, and these sorts of rules > >queries are the sort of thing that would be ideal for inclusion. Have those > >who post the questions and/or answers any objections to me using their > >experiences for the newsletter? I have got those queries posted from 11 Feb > >onwards (4 up after 2), and would welcome any others that were posted prior > >to that.
> >Many thanks. I am looking forward to being able to contribute to the NG.
> >Andy Neal > >Diplomacy is the art of telling people to go > >to hell in such a way that they enjoy the trip!
In article <921272645.18711.0.nnrp-13.c1eda...@news.demon.co.uk>, Peter Mackenzie <prm...@scottie1.demon.co.uk> writes
>Sorry Fred! I posted my message and found yours there. I think you're right >about 28b and dropping "a" ball! I hope you didn't think I was trying to >dispute your posting! >Best wishes >Peter
>In article <MkQUeNAugV62E...@georgetown.demon.co.uk>, Bob Blair ><bbl...@georgetown.demon.co.uk> writes >Hi Bob, >This is my pennyworth. >>Here is the tiebreaker from last night`s SGU rules quiz at Southerness >>GC.
>>Player "A" hits the ball at the 1st hole, 150 yards into a whin bush, >>declares the ball unplayable and decides to change his ball even >>although there is nothing wrong with it. He drops a yellow ball instead >>of his white ball. >Only one stroke penalty, rule 28 b/c. (He shall drop A ball not >necessarily thee ball) do not think the colour has any bearing on the >situation, unless it has been introduced in the last few years.
>>Nothing daunted, he hits his next shot into the rough and finds it after >>a search of 4 minutes by standing on it. >Penalty of one stroke. Decisions (18-2a/21.3). >> He replaces the ball to it`s >>original position and hits his next shot into a greenside bunker. >>He plays the ball onto the green ; >Although it is the wrong ball, no penalty, ball played from hazard. >> he then putts to 6" from the hole >Two stroke penalty, he should have identified his ball prior to putting >> and >>finds he has played the wrong ball out of the bunker. >>His partner says there is no penalty for playing a wrong ball out of the >>bunker so he holes the 6" putt. >No further penalty for the second putt. (15-3. plays a stroke or strokes >with wrong ball). >>However "A" is not so sure and goes back and finds his original ball, >>which is not actually in the bunker. He then holes his next shot with >>that ball. >>What did player "A" score or was he disqualified ?.
>To me Bob, his final score for the hole was 8. >1. Tee shot. >2. 1 stroke penalty, ball unplayable, 28 b or c. >3. into the rough. >4. 1 stroke penalty, stood on ball, 18-2a/21.3 >5. into bunker. >7. 2 stroke penalty, plays wrong ball on putting green. >8. holed his last shot with correct ball.
>Thats the best I can do Bob, look forward to answer.
>Best regards as always.
Superb : Absolutely spot on. Well Done Regards Bob. -- Bob Blair
In article <o9ZNIHAJG862E...@georgetown.demon.co.uk>, Bob Blair <bbl...@georgetown.demon.co.uk> writes
>Superb : Absolutely spot on. Well Done >Regards Bob.
Thanks for the result Bob, nice to get it right once in a while. OK to use (4 up after 2) or any other posting of mine. Best regards as always. -- Fred Ramsey