A new subscriber!
Jeff Best
My name is Jeff, I am 21 years old and come from Airdrie in Central
Scotland. I just subscribed to this newsgroup and am looking forward to
having many discussions with you all here in the future.
I am a season ticket holder in the Govan rear, exit 11 and a proud
shareholder!
OK, I'm just in from the pub after watching yet another nailbiting 1-0
game at "fortress" Ibrox! I'll just talk about what I've read in the
messages here.
First, Ian Ferguson.
In my opinion, he should never be out of the first eleven. He is one of
the only, if not THE only, current player who is 100% Rangers, red, white
and Blue, Queen and country, do or die etc. He has the ability, the
attitude, the fight and the leadership qualities that the team has been
lacking in recent weeks. If only we had another 10 like him!
What about Klos?
Well, I feel for Niemi, but at the end of the day, has he got that split
second reaction that "THE Goalie" had? Or the fluid and speedy frame that
Charbonnier has used in the first half of the season? I agree that he hasn't
done anything wrong or made any major blunders but I think that Lionel and
Stefan have that something extra to enhance the Ranger's strength at the
back. The big question is,what happens when Charbonnier AND Klos are fit?
Who is Dick's first choice? I have a feeling it's gonna be Klos.
Today, I saw Amoruso play a blinder - he was outstanding. There is no
doubt the big man has the ability, but does he have the temperament and,
most importantly, the character to be the captain? I have my doubts.
One must feel sorry for Colin Hendry. Surely he is the man for the
captaincy? I wasn't a huge fan of Joachim Bjorkland but he could certainly
man-mark and would perhaps be a good partner for Hendry - better than Amo?
The whole Italian issue is a problem to me. I was very happy to see them
sign - Amoruso, Porrini, Gattuso and Riccio. They may have played in Serie
A, but, they are not suited to our game. If Lorenzo hadn't handled against
Parma, if Sergio hadn't been sent off against Parma, if Rino hadn't been
watching us against Parma!
Now, that they've signed and I've seen them well, I just don't feel
happy about them. The one I liked was Rino and he's gone! Anyway, I'll
reserve judgment....for now!
As for signing Petrescu, another foreigner? Would I be alone in longing
to see a Rangers team made up of eleven Scottish Protestants? I know it's
the new era and we're reaching the Millenium but surely we should all stand
for the Union Jack, the Queen etc. Along the years, we've seen some great
players become "Rangers" - Terry Butcher, Mark Hateley, Ray Wilkins, Rod
Wallace, Jorg Albertz. These guys have come and realised what it's all about
and that makes me happy. But, what about Kanchelskis, Amato, Negri, Laudrup,
Cleland, Amoruso etc. Do/did they play for the badge or the money?
I look forward to reading your comments.
Martin Orr
<jeff...@globalnet.co.uk> writes
>
> As for signing Petrescu, another foreigner? Would I be alone in longing
>to see a Rangers team made up of eleven Scottish Protestants? I know it's
>the new era and we're reaching the Millenium but surely we should all stand
>for the Union Jack, the Queen etc. Along the years, we've seen some great
>players become "Rangers" - Terry Butcher, Mark Hateley, Ray Wilkins, Rod
>Wallace, Jorg Albertz. These guys have come and realised what it's all about
>and that makes me happy. But, what about Kanchelskis, Amato, Negri, Laudrup,
>Cleland, Amoruso etc. Do/did they play for the badge or the money?
About the eleven Scottish protestants how would we be able to create a
team that is able to compete in Europe with eleven Scots. How many of
the top European sides in the past five years have been composed
entirely of home nationality players.
--
Martin Orr
Visit my webpage at http://www.orangeroom.demon.co.uk
dleb...@hotmail.com
> As for signing Petrescu, another foreigner? Would I be alone in longing
>to see a Rangers team made up of eleven Scottish Protestants? I know it's
>the new era and we're reaching the Millenium but surely we should all stand
>for the Union Jack, the Queen etc. Along the years, we've seen some great
>players become "Rangers" - Terry Butcher, Mark Hateley, Ray Wilkins, Rod
>Wallace, Jorg Albertz. These guys have come and realised what it's all about
>and that makes me happy. But, what about Kanchelskis, Amato, Negri, Laudrup,
>Cleland, Amoruso etc. Do/did they play for the badge or the money?
>
>
Scottish Protestants. The list of players that you have given about
players becoming "Rangers" are all English except for Albertz, who is
Catholic. Now I dont want to get into an arguement about religion,
but surely it is now time that we move on and not live in the past. I
dont care what a player's religion/colour/race is, just as long he
does a job for Rangers.
Craig M
Scottish Protestants ?
Tinstar
> As for signing Petrescu, another foreigner? Would I be alone in longing
>to see a Rangers team made up of eleven Scottish Protestants?
No you wouldn't be alone. That attitude is still around unfortunately.
> I look forward to reading your comments.
I'm sure you will get quite a few after the last comment. :-)
Tinny
Ronnie the Tim
>the new era and we're reaching the Millenium but surely we should all stand
>for the Union Jack, the Queen etc.
Christ, so there are tossers like you still around!
--
Ronnie the Tim
Blue Man
Whether you like it or not this is the way it will always be, Rangers
& Celtic are where they are today because of it. Jeff states that he
is 21, I am 20 we are the future, not the past.
I agree 100% with what Jeff said, the only thing i would add is that
the team should ideally be made up of eleven Scottish or ULSTER
Protestants.
mmcdon
> Scotland.
Good to see you supporting your local club...
> He is one of
> the only, if not THE only, current player who is 100% > Rangers, red,
white
> and Blue, Queen and country, do or die etc.
Let me get this straight, you want to pick a player not simply on his
talents but because he is a Monarchist and a British Nationalist? If this
wasn't a Rangers ng, I'd assume that you were joking...
> As for signing Petrescu, another foreigner? Would I be > alone in
longing
> to see a Rangers team made up of eleven Scottish
> Protestants?
Sadly, probably not...
> I know it's
> the new era and we're reaching the Millenium but surely we > should all
stand
> for the Union Jack, the Queen etc.
Tell me, were you born a nut, or was it something in your upbringing?
Surely we should all stand for (a) a symbol of global imperialism, and (b)
a symbol of unearned, inherited, wealth, power and inequality? No thanks.
Is mise le meas,
Brian Cahill
mmcdon
> & Celtic are where they are today because of it. Jeff states > that he
> is 21, I am 20 we are the future, not the past.
A scary proposition...
> I agree 100% with what Jeff said, the only thing i would add is > that
> the team should ideally be made up of eleven Scottish or > ULSTER
> Protestants.
Can't you even get your bigotry right? Why don't you try "Scottish or
Northern Irish Protestants"? You won't find many Rangers fans amongst
Protestants in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal, I'm afraid. Most of them are
more interested in Gaelic football, and if they had to watch Scottish
soccer would probably have more time for Celtic.
mmcdon
> Yes I agree about eleven Scottish Protestants (but it > > shouldn't be
all
> Scottish prods are most Scottish players are shite)
> But the bears must move on and buy catholics as we > > wouldn't get
anywhere in
> Europe.
>
> Rangers will remain a Protestant club until the QUEENS > > PORTRAIT has
been
> removed from the dressing room. (or if she dies and is > replaced with
the
> kings portrait, until yhis is removed as well).
>
> RULE BRITANNIA
...and to think people like Alisdair, and Papabear nearly had me convinced
that Rangers had changed...
They're all coming out of the woodwork at the moment.
Jeff Best
>Christ, so there are tossers like you still around!
>--
>Ronnie the Tim
There always will be as long as there are people like you, inhabiting our
glorious nation and as long as the Union flag flutters over our Queen's
Highway.
JB
Jeff Best
At last, someone agrees with me.
I don't think we will ever see a team made up of 11 Scottish players but
hey, I can dream can't I?
And anyway, even if we don't have proddies in the team, at least there are
50,000 of us watching and goodness knows how many others worldwide.
If Laudrup and Cleland were committed to Rangers, why would they want to
leave. Look at REAL Rangers like Ian Ferguson, John Greig, Ian Durrant etc.
They would never ask to leave.
No Surrender!
Jeff Best
Alan Tibbetts
>
> On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:52:28 +0000, Ronnie the Tim
> <ron...@jockstein.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In article <763km4$gsj$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>, Jeff Best
> ><jeff...@globalnet.co.uk> writes
> >>the new era and we're reaching the Millenium but surely we should all stand
> >>for the Union Jack, the Queen etc.
> >
> >--
> >Ronnie the Tim
>
> & Celtic are where they are today because of it. Jeff states that he
> is 21, I am 20 we are the future, not the past.
>
> the team should ideally be made up of eleven Scottish or ULSTER
> Protestants.
In an ideal world Rangers would have a team of eleven protestants, all
committed to the cause and we would sweep all before us at home and
abroad. But lets face it, thats hardly likely to happen - its not
impossible, or at least it wouldn't be if we had a youth policy, its
just highly unlikely in today's world.
So lets just settle for eleven players committed to the cause of winning
trophies for Rangers. Lets get rid of the obvious merceneries (and I
think we all know who they are) and hire some mercenaries that at least
show some fight.
--
Alan Tibbetts
Blue Man
>> Whether you like it or not this is the way it will always be, > Rangers
>> & Celtic are where they are today because of it. Jeff states > that he
>> is 21, I am 20 we are the future, not the past.
>
>A scary proposition...
>
>> I agree 100% with what Jeff said, the only thing i would add is > that
>> the team should ideally be made up of eleven Scottish or > ULSTER
>> Protestants.
>
>Can't you even get your bigotry right? Why don't you try "Scottish or
>Northern Irish Protestants"? You won't find many Rangers fans amongst
>Protestants in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal, I'm afraid. Most of them are
>more interested in Gaelic football, and if they had to watch Scottish
>soccer would probably have more time for Celtic.
>Is mise le meas,
>Brian Cahill
ULSTER is no longer known as a nine county province of Ireland. ULSTER
has six counties. Check most general knowledge books which ask
questions about Northern Ireland. i.e. What is Northern Ireland also
know as ? Ans. ULSTER.
Also you will be pleased to know that Rangers actually have a few
supporters clubs in Donegal after all it is 5% protestant.
mmcdon
><36895abc...@news.btinternet.com>...
> On 29 Dec 1998 05:03:48 GMT, "mmcdon" ><mmm...@iol.ie> wrote:
>
> >> Whether you like it or not this is the way it will always
> >> be,Rangers
> >> & Celtic are where they are today because of it. Jeff
> >> states that he
> >> is 21, I am 20 we are the future, not the past.
> >
> >A scary proposition...
> >
> >> I agree 100% with what Jeff said, the only thing i would > >> add is
that
> >> the team should ideally be made up of eleven Scottish > > >>or
> >> ULSTER
> >> Protestants.
> >
> >Can't you even get your bigotry right? Why don't you try > >"Scottish or
> >Northern Irish Protestants"? You won't find many Rangers > >fans amongst
> >Protestants in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal, I'm afraid. > >Most of them
are
> >more interested in Gaelic football, and if they had to watch > >Scottish
> >soccer would probably have more time for Celtic.
> >Is mise le meas,
> >Brian Cahill
>
> ULSTER is no longer known as a nine county province of > Ireland.
When was this startling change made? Has anybody thought to inform all
those people living in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal that they have somehow
been magically transported out of Ulster? Where are they located now?
Should we send them some maps, so they can find their way home? Dimwit.
> ULSTER
> has six counties.
I'm afraid not. Ulster has nine Counties, Northern Ireland has six
Counties. The occasional misuse of the term Ulster stems soley from a
couple of lost by-ways in the Unionist political past (ie their obsession
with creating a spurious mythological\national identity for Ulster,
originating in a time when Ulster Unionism was a nine County movement. When
Unionists in Northern Ireland abandoned Unionists in the rest of Ulster
they made some half hearted attempts to borrow the already spurious
"Ulster" legitimacy they had attempted to create for their lump of the
truncated Province alone). The term Ulster is has no legitimate or official
place in British or Irish legislation with regard to Northern Ireland.
In fact "Ulster" as a title for Northern Ireland is merely the Unionist
equivalent of "the Six Counties" for Nationalists.
> Check most general knowledge books which ask
> questions about Northern Ireland. i.e. What is Northern > Ireland also
> know as ? Ans. ULSTER.
That's all right, you occasionally get it in the British media too, it's
not my fault they are sometimes sloppy.
> Also you will be pleased to know that Rangers actually > have a few
> supporters clubs in Donegal after all it is 5% protestant.
Donegal is a fair bit more than 5% Protestant, as are Monaghan and Cavan.
In those parts of Ulster though there is no serious sectarian conflict at
all, and few enough people of any religion support Rangers (Donegal has a
fair amount of Celtic fans for historical reasons to do with emigration and
seasonal work, but people in Cavan and Monaghan by and large don't take
much interest in your green and white striped rivals either). In all of
those 3 Counties the major sport amongst Catholics and Protestants alike is
Gaelic football.
mmcdon
Why should Rangers players ideally be Protestant? Surely in an ideal world
Rangers would be playing 11 local lads, regardless of their Religious sect.
Martin Orr
<jeff...@globalnet.co.uk> writes
challenges as any worker would.
Gordy
Scottish prods are most Scottish players are shite)
But the bears must move on and buy catholics as we wouldn't get anywhere in
Europe.
Rangers will remain a Protestant club until the QUEENS PORTRAIT has been
removed from the dressing room. (or if she dies and is replaced with the
kings portrait, until yhis is removed as well).
RULE BRITANNIA
good comments
Jeff Best wrote in message <763km4$gsj$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
>Hi group,
>
> My name is Jeff, I am 21 years old and come from Airdrie in Central
>Scotland. I just subscribed to this newsgroup and am looking forward to
>having many discussions with you all here in the future.
>
> I am a season ticket holder in the Govan rear, exit 11 and a proud
>shareholder!
>
> OK, I'm just in from the pub after watching yet another nailbiting 1-0
>game at "fortress" Ibrox! I'll just talk about what I've read in the
>messages here.
>
> First, Ian Ferguson.
>
> In my opinion, he should never be out of the first eleven. He is one
of
>the only, if not THE only, current player who is 100% Rangers, red, white
> As for signing Petrescu, another foreigner? Would I be alone in longing
>to see a Rangers team made up of eleven Scottish Protestants? I know it's
>the new era and we're reaching the Millenium but surely we should all stand
>for the Union Jack, the Queen etc. Along the years, we've seen some great
>players become "Rangers" - Terry Butcher, Mark Hateley, Ray Wilkins, Rod
>Wallace, Jorg Albertz. These guys have come and realised what it's all
about
>and that makes me happy. But, what about Kanchelskis, Amato, Negri,
Laudrup,
>Cleland, Amoruso etc. Do/did they play for the badge or the money?
>
> I look forward to reading your comments.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jack K.
<ron...@jockstein.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <763km4$gsj$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>, Jeff Best
><jeff...@globalnet.co.uk> writes
>> As for signing Petrescu, another foreigner? Would I be alone in longing
>>to see a Rangers team made up of eleven Scottish Protestants? I know it's
>>the new era and we're reaching the Millenium but surely we should all stand
>>for the Union Jack, the Queen etc.
>
Well said, mate.
Jack K.
Sean tír ár sinsir feasta
Ní fhagfar fé'n tiorán ná fén tráil
Jack K.
<ghi...@globalnet.co.uk> writes
>Yes I agree about eleven Scottish Protestants (but it shouldn't be all
>Scottish prods are most Scottish players are shite)
in this shit. The rest of the world's protestant population has a life.
>But the bears must move on and buy catholics as we wouldn't get anywhere in
>Europe.
>
>Rangers will remain a Protestant club until the QUEENS PORTRAIT has been
>removed from the dressing room.
foreigners.
> (or if she dies and is replaced with the
>kings portrait, until yhis is removed as well).
>RULE BRITANNIA
>
You make me sick.
>good comments
Craig M
>& Celtic are where they are today because of it. Jeff states that he
>is 21, I am 20 we are the future, not the past.
>
>Protestants.
Hate to have to agree with a Celtic supporter, but Ronnie the Tim is right.
You are a sad, misguided tosser who is an embarrasment to the club.
Craig M
which one are you and your tiny mind locked in....
Craig M
>If Laudrup and Cleland were committed to Rangers, why would they want to
>leave. Look at REAL Rangers like Ian Ferguson, John Greig, Ian Durrant etc.
>They would never ask to leave.
>
>No Surrender!
>
>Jeff Best
Complete prick. Do you really think that the record books will show Ian
Ferguson to be a great Ranger ahead of Laudrup because he was a 'good
Proddie'. Pick any one of Laudrup's 4 seasons and they have been more
important to the club than the sum total of Ferguson's 10 years. You should
not be allowed to have children.
Ronnie the Tim
<jeff...@globalnet.co.uk> writes
>>Christ, so there are tossers like you still around!
>>Ronnie the Tim
>
>There always will be as long as there are people like you, inhabiting our
>glorious nation and as long as the Union flag flutters over our Queen's
>Highway.
Fuck me, there's more...
--
Ronnie the Tim
Ronnie the Tim
<al...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>In an ideal world Rangers would have a team of eleven protestants, all
>abroad.
Where are all you utter wankers sprouting from?
--
Ronnie the Tim
dean
writes
>You won't find many Rangers fans amongst
>Protestants in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal, I'm afraid. Most of them are
>more interested in Gaelic football, and if they had to watch Scottish
>soccer would probably have more time for Celtic.
Prove that if you can, Brian. Somehow I dont think so.
dean
writes
>Is mise le meas,
>Brian Cahill
Just curious, Brian, are you a Rangers supporter?
dean
writes
>Why should Rangers players ideally be Protestant? Surely in an ideal world
>Rangers would be playing 11 local lads, regardless of their Religious sect.
>Brian Cahill
What the fuck does it matter ,whether theyre prod, local, or from fuckin space
(Ted McMinn). If they win the european Cup, and are keen enough and talented
enough, thats good enough for me.
mmcdon
<+ejpwXAh...@squiresdog.demon.co.uk>...
> >Brian Cahill
>
No, of course not. Neither do I support your green and white striped
rivals. As it happens I support Shelbourne (remember us? You knocked us out
of the UEFA cup, but we gave you a good run).
Presumably the next question is "So what are you doing in a Rangers ng?"...
Simple really. I had been arguing in uk.s.f about sectarianism in football,
and a couple of the more enlightened Rangers fans were claiming that the
club had changed, and that the sectarian scum were now an isolated
minority. I came over here for a look... and well this thread would seem to
speak for itself.
mmcdon
Which bit? That there are few Rangers fans amongst Southern Irish
Protestants? Come for a visit and ask some. There are certainly one or two,
but that's it
.
That the largest sport amongst Protestants in the 3 Ulster counties on this
side of the border is Gaelic football? Easy enough to do logically, given
that almost no other sport is played on a regular basis there.It may come
as a shock to you, as a Northerner, but like the rest of Europe the South
doesn't have,*ahem*,'sectarian difficulties'. The factors which vary which
sports are dominant are locality and class, not religion. I can testify at
first hand to this having played for GAA, Soccer, Cricket and Rugby teams.
Davy
concerned - and I hope most Rangers fans would agree with me - is I dont
give two fucks what a players nationality, race, religion or colour of their
skin, just as long they do a job for Rangers then thats all should concern
Rangers fans.
Lets get real we are nearly into the 21st century, we are not living in the
17th century.
Alan Young
Ronnie the Tim <ron...@jockstein.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<iIJ6eCAm...@jockstein.demon.co.uk>...
Alan Young
like yourself still claim we are living in the old days . Rangers will
always have Protestant traditions . If the Rangers players can live with
this and respect this then why can't you ?
Mutual respect for differing cultures is evident at Ibrox . Obviously there
are a few bears who are more radical but if someone stated fifteen years
ago that Rangers would field a side including many Catholics and that the
support would respect this , you would have carted then off to the funny
farm .
It gets up some peoples noses that Rangers can still be a cosmopolitan club
with Protestant traditions .
mmcdon <mmm...@iol.ie> wrote in article
<01be3437$26f21ec0$db92cbc1@default>...
> dean <de...@squiresdog.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
> <+ejpwXAh...@squiresdog.demon.co.uk>...
> > In article <01be32e6$b0862200$bb92cbc1@default>, mmcdon
<mmm...@iol.ie>
> > writes
> > >Is mise le meas,
> > >Brian Cahill
> >
> > Just curious, Brian, are you a Rangers supporter?
>
> No, of course not. Neither do I support your green and white striped
> rivals. As it happens I support Shelbourne (remember us? You knocked us
out
> of the UEFA cup, but we gave you a good run).
>
> Presumably the next question is "So what are you doing in a Rangers
ng?"...
> Simple really. I had been arguing in uk.s.f about sectarianism in
football,
> and a couple of the more enlightened Rangers fans were claiming that the
> club had changed, and that the sectarian scum were now an isolated
> minority. I came over here for a look... and well this thread would seem
to
> speak for itself.
Alistair Munro
mmcdon wrote in message <01be32e6$b0862200$bb92cbc1@default>...
>Jeff Best <jeff...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote in article
>> My name is Jeff, I am 21 years old and come from > Airdrie in Central
>> Scotland.
>
>Brian Cahill
Rangers can have him...
Alistair
mmcdon
<01be3484$8e288460$875795c1@uxledkvk>...
> 50,000 supporters following a multi racial , multi national side and
pricks
> like yourself
Charming. Nice to meet you.
> still claim we are living in the old days .
My problem is not with the existence of Rangers, but the bigotry of a
section of it's support. I do not suggest that all Rangers fans are
sectarian, but I do find it relatively shocking to see people coming out
with the sort of bigotry Jeff spouted and then to see them tolerated (and
even agreed with) by other posters (some honourable exceptions aside).
Football should not be about religion.
Martin Orr
writes
>Football should not be about religion.
either Celtic or Rangers do not exist and i can't see that happening
dean
>section of it's support. I do not suggest that all Rangers fans are
>sectarian, but I do find it relatively shocking to see people coming out
>with the sort of bigotry Jeff spouted and then to see them tolerated (and
>even agreed with) by other posters (some honourable exceptions aside).
>Brian Cahill
I trust you are also visiting the Celtic newsgroup, and actively urging the
bigotted section of their support to refrain from its activities. Bigotry is of
course not exclusive to some followers of Rangers.
i will check for your posts at alt.sports.soccer.celtic
mmcdon
> In article <01be3593$983f4320$0891cbc1@default>, mmcdon <mmm...@iol.ie>
> writes
> >My problem is not with the existence of Rangers, but the bigotry of a
> >section of it's support. I do not suggest that all Rangers fans are
> >sectarian, but I do find it relatively shocking to see people coming out
> >with the sort of bigotry Jeff spouted and then to see them tolerated
(and
> >even agreed with) by other posters (some honourable exceptions aside).
> >Football should not be about religion.
> I trust you are also visiting the Celtic newsgroup, and actively urging
the
> bigotted section of their support to refrain from its activities. Bigotry
is of
> course not exclusive to some followers of Rangers.
> i will check for your posts at alt.sports.soccer.celtic
Actually, my ISP doesn't carry alt.sports.soccer.celtic. I did look for the
Celtic newsgroup at the same stage as this one, so I'm afraid I can't do as
you suggest.
I have no doubt that Celtic also count a number of bigots amongst their
support, and that is just as disgraceful. If you are worried about it, why
don't you go there yourself and berate their quota of scumbags yourself? If
you do it in a non-partisan manner (ie if you don't just wander in shouting
insults) you'll probably get a reasonable response.
The thing I do find shocking is the lack of outrage amongst most of the
decent Rangers fans when somebody starts mouthing sectarian crap (again
some honourable exceptions apart). They don't encourage the scumbags
(mostly) but a fair number of people just let them away with it. Why should
an outsider be doing something you really should be doing yourselves?
davie
Ronnie the Tim wrote in message ...
I don't know RTT but I wish the they would piss off to uk.bigots.ireland or
somewhere similar - or do we really need to know how many soda scones are
sold in Cavan and the percentage of german tourists who like to eat them
('cos it's really important you know - apparently)
I am ashamed that my fellow blue noses are spouting forth (somewhat
embarrassingly) such utter drivel.
Rangers and Scotland Forever
davie
Craig M wrote in message <76c43e$pub$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
>
>
>Complete prick. Do you really think that the record books will show Ian
>Ferguson to be a great Ranger ahead of Laudrup because he was a 'good
>Proddie'. Pick any one of Laudrup's 4 seasons and they have been more
>important to the club than the sum total of Ferguson's 10 years. You
should
>not be allowed to have children.
>
>
because of what he did in front of the East Enclosure
d
davie
welcome in, from one Davie to another, I agree with you whole heartedly
here's to some sensible discusssion about the Rangers FOOTBALL Club
Davy wrote in message
<915056620.16484.0...@news.demon.co.uk>...
Rosemary & James Edmond
>having many discussions with you all here in the future.
>
> I am a season ticket holder in the Govan rear, exit 11 and a proud
>shareholder!
>
> OK, I'm just in from the pub after watching yet another nailbiting 1-0
>game at "fortress" Ibrox! I'll just talk about what I've read in the
>messages here.
>
> First, Ian Ferguson.
>
> In my opinion, he should never be out of the first eleven. He is one
of
>the only, if not THE only, current player who is 100% Rangers, red, white
>and Blue, Queen and country, do or die etc. He has the ability, the
>attitude, the fight and the leadership qualities that the team has been
>lacking in recent weeks. If only we had another 10 like him!
I totally agree!
>
> What about Klos?
>
> Well, I feel for Niemi, but at the end of the day, has he got that
split
>second reaction that "THE Goalie" had? Or the fluid and speedy frame that
>Charbonnier has used in the first half of the season? I agree that he
hasn't
>done anything wrong or made any major blunders but I think that Lionel and
>Stefan have that something extra to enhance the Ranger's strength at the
>back. The big question is,what happens when Charbonnier AND Klos are fit?
>Who is Dick's first choice? I have a feeling it's gonna be Klos.
I think you have got it right there!
>
> Today, I saw Amoruso play a blinder - he was outstanding. There is no
>doubt the big man has the ability, but does he have the temperament and,
>most importantly, the character to be the captain? I have my doubts.
>
> One must feel sorry for Colin Hendry. Surely he is the man for the
>captaincy? I wasn't a huge fan of Joachim Bjorkland but he could certainly
>man-mark and would perhaps be a good partner for Hendry - better than Amo?
>
I don't rate Hendry, I still think Amo is to be given a chance, he showed
his true colours to day to the Celtic supporters that were slagging him off.
> The whole Italian issue is a problem to me. I was very happy to see
them
>sign - Amoruso, Porrini, Gattuso and Riccio. They may have played in Serie
>A, but, they are not suited to our game. If Lorenzo hadn't handled against
>Parma, if Sergio hadn't been sent off against Parma, if Rino hadn't been
>watching us against Parma!
>
> Now, that they've signed and I've seen them well, I just don't feel
>happy about them. The one I liked was Rino and he's gone! Anyway, I'll
>reserve judgment....for now!
>
> As for signing Petrescu, another foreigner? Would I be alone in longing
>to see a Rangers team made up of eleven Scottish Protestants? I know it's
>the new era and we're reaching the Millenium but surely we should all stand
>for the Union Jack, the Queen etc. Along the years, we've seen some great
>players become "Rangers" - Terry Butcher, Mark Hateley, Ray Wilkins, Rod
>Wallace, Jorg Albertz. These guys have come and realised what it's all
about
>and that makes me happy. But, what about Kanchelskis, Amato, Negri,
Laudrup,
>Cleland, Amoruso etc. Do/did they play for the badge or the money?
Kanchehskis - I feel is past his sell by date.
Negri - Hit a bad patch and couldn't handle the press and media.
Amoto - is starting to show what he can do.
Laudrup - Well I think you have a cheek to slag him off, we had the best out
of him, as you have seem now with Chelsea couldn't handle the big time.
>
> I look forward to reading your comments.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Davy
Thanks for the welcome. At least someone agrees with me:)
davie wrote in message <76nfrh$sd1$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
KP Bhoy
Rosemary & James Edmond wrote in message
>> I am a season ticket holder in the Govan rear, exit 11 and a proud
>>shareholder!
congratulations!!!!!
Daily Record
30th December
SHARES in Celtic have soared by a staggering 27 per cent over the past 12
months.
That compares with a disappointing 18.9 per cent DROP in the Rangers price.
Davy
>30th December
>
>SHARES in Celtic have soared by a staggering 27 per cent over the past 12
>months.
>That compares with a disappointing 18.9 per cent DROP in the Rangers price.
Just a pity then that Rangers are still worth at least twice more than
Celtic.
BTW haven't you found a woman yet?
KP Bhoy
Davy wrote in message <915458399.26182.0.nnrp-
>BTW haven't you found a woman yet?
I am sorry, not interested...
Davy
KP Bhoy <934...@rector.uva.nl> wrote in message
<76qkfn$29uf$1...@beast.euro.net>...
>
>Davy wrote in message <915458399.26182.0.nnrp-
>
>>BTW haven't you found a woman yet?
>
>
> I am sorry, not interested...
>
>
would like it very much! lol
davy
Fergus
newsgroup??...Come to think about it, if the alternative is to watch the
shi* at Celtic Park I don`t suppose you have. Get a life!!
Ronnie the Tim wrote in message ...
>In article <763km4$gsj$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>, Jeff Best
><jeff...@globalnet.co.uk> writes
>> As for signing Petrescu, another foreigner? Would I be alone in longing
>>to see a Rangers team made up of eleven Scottish Protestants? I know it's
>>the new era and we're reaching the Millenium but surely we should all
stand
>>for the Union Jack, the Queen etc.
>
Ronnie the Tim
<fer...@breathe.co.uk> writes
>Have you not got anything better to do "Tim" than read a Rangers
>newsgroup??
Know thine enemy!
--
Ronnie the Tim
Papa_Bear
> In article <36892C9D...@dial.pipex.com>, Alan Tibbetts
> <al...@dial.pipex.com> writes
> >In an ideal world Rangers would have a team of eleven protestants, all
> >committed to the cause and we would sweep all before us at home and
> >abroad.
>
> Where are all you utter wankers sprouting from?
> --
> Ronnie the Tim
Have you seen the sales figures for PCs over x-mas, Ronnie? As the
popularity of the net increases
so, unfortunately, does the numbers of tossers using it.
Oh, btw, Alan, being, as you seem to be, about 9 years old you won't
remember the pre- Souness era,
when "a team of eleven protestants, all committed to the cause" got us
gubbed regularly home and away by the likes of the Tims, Sheepshaggers,
Arabs et al.
The world where we are 10 points clear, with a team full of talent which
will only get better, one of the best coaches in the world and a great deal
of respect for our performances in Europe this year seems pretty ideal to
me.
pb
Ronnie the Tim
<p...@TheDen.WWF.co.uk> writes
>Ronnie the Tim <ron...@jockstein.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
><tI35+BAe...@jockstein.demon.co.uk>...
>> In article <36892C9D...@dial.pipex.com>, Alan Tibbetts
>> <al...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>> >In an ideal world Rangers would have a team of eleven protestants, all
>> >committed to the cause and we would sweep all before us at home and
>> >abroad.
>>
>> Where are all you utter wankers sprouting from?
>> --
>> Ronnie the Tim
>
>
>Have you seen the sales figures for PCs over x-mas, Ronnie? As the
>popularity of the net increases
>so, unfortunately, does the numbers of tossers using it.
Yep. You'd think I'd be used to this annual event. The worryimg thing
is that all those irresponsible mummmys and daddys out there are
allowing their eejit offspring ufettered access to the net. Some
people!
>Oh, btw, Alan, being, as you seem to be, about 9 years old you won't
>remember the pre- Souness era,
>when "a team of eleven protestants, all committed to the cause" got us
>gubbed regularly home and away by the likes of the Tims, Sheepshaggers,
>Arabs et al.
Aaahhh...those glory, glory days. You know how to cheer a guy up, so ye
dae.
>The world where we are 10 points clear, with a team full of talent which
>will only get better, one of the best coaches in the world and a great deal
>of respect for our performances in Europe this year seems pretty ideal to
>me.
>
>pb
Just when ye were talking some bloody sense as well...see you pb ;)
--
Ronnie the Tim
Alan Tibbetts
> Have you seen the sales figures for PCs over x-mas, Ronnie? As the
> popularity of the net increases
> so, unfortunately, does the numbers of tossers using it.
Sorry, had my PC a bit longer than that. I also don't hide behind email
aliases or make personal attacks, ie to paraphrase Ronnie 'here's
another wanker', behind the barrier of an anonymous forum.
> Oh, btw, Alan, being, as you seem to be, about 9 years old you won't
> remember the pre- Souness era,
Nope, closer to 30.
> when "a team of eleven protestants, all committed to the cause" got us
> gubbed regularly home and away by the likes of the Tims, Sheepshaggers,
> Arabs et al.
What about the team of the 70s? European trophy, treble, etc; ring any
bells?
> The world where we are 10 points clear, with a team full of talent which
> will only get better, one of the best coaches in the world and a great deal
> of respect for our performances in Europe this year seems pretty ideal to
> me.
>
> pb
Did you read my entire post, or just the bit quoted.
I can't understand why so many people are aligning themselves with this
person. Afterall, if he's so non-sectarian, why does he feel the need
to declare himself a 'Tim'? And before all you new-age Gers fans get
too uppity - I'll bet you all sing the songs, you know, the ones about
'up to our knees in fenian blood', etc.
The sad thing about this is I'm one of the most reasonable Rangers fans
you'll ever meet and certainly would not consider making bigoted remarks
out with Ibrox and Rangers (and I can't explain why I do so in that
arena, but I would challenge any Rangers fan who has followed the team
home and away for any length of time who claims to have no bigotry in
them), I just feel someone has to point out the hypocrisy going on
here.
Alan Tibbetts
Peter McLaughlin
<al...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>Papa_Bear wrote:
>> Oh, btw, Alan, being, as you seem to be, about 9 years old you won't
>> remember the pre- Souness era,
>
>Nope, closer to 30.
>
>I can't understand why so many people are aligning themselves with this
>person.
> Afterall, if he's so non-sectarian, why does he feel the need
>to declare himself a 'Tim'?
Self-awareness is not an indication of sectarianism, bias against others
is. By the same token nationalism needn't necessarily be equated with
fascism/nazism.
>And before all you new-age Gers fans get
>too uppity - I'll bet you all sing the songs, you know, the ones about
>'up to our knees in fenian blood', etc.
Of course you do, we middle-aged Tims know it.
>
>The sad thing about this is I'm one of the most reasonable Rangers fans
>you'll ever meet
Of course you are
>and certainly would not consider making bigoted remarks
>out with Ibrox and Rangers (and I can't explain why I do so in that
>arena, but I would challenge any Rangers fan who has followed the team
>home and away for any length of time who claims to have no bigotry in
>them), I just feel someone has to point out the hypocrisy going on
>here.
>
>Alan Tibbetts
--
Peter McLaughlin
mmcdon
<3695233E...@dial.pipex.com>...
> Papa_Bear wrote:
> > when "a team of eleven protestants, all committed to the cause" got us
> > gubbed regularly home and away by the likes of the Tims, Sheepshaggers,
> > Arabs et al.
>
> What about the team of the 70s? European trophy, treble, etc; ring any
> bells?
>
> > The world where we are 10 points clear, with a team full of talent
which
> > will only get better, one of the best coaches in the world and a great
deal
> > of respect for our performances in Europe this year seems pretty ideal
to
> > me.
>
> person.
Maybe because they don't like seeing their football club associated with
sectarian bigotry by the likes of Jeff and yourself?
> Afterall, if he's so non-sectarian, why does he feel
> the need
> to declare himself a 'Tim'?
I don't know, but I suspect that it is a self mocking joke rather than
sectarianism.
> And before all you new-age Gers > fans
"new age"? Are some of you guys worshipping mother earth and masturbating
in a circle wearing nothing but crystal pendants?
> get
> too uppity - I'll bet you all sing the songs, you know, the > ones about
> 'up to our knees in fenian blood', etc.
Do you really think that everybody shares your need to shout sectarian
abuse?
> The sad thing about this is I'm one of the most reasonable > Rangers fans
> you'll ever meet
Ahem.
Craig McDowall
>
> Oh, btw, Alan, being, as you seem to be, about 9 years old you won't
> remember the pre- Souness era,
> when "a team of eleven protestants, all committed to the cause" got us
> gubbed regularly home and away by the likes of the Tims, Sheepshaggers,
> Arabs et al.
I've only got two words to say - Davie McKinnon.
Craig McDowall
>
> >Daily Record
> >30th December
> >
> >SHARES in Celtic have soared by a staggering 27 per cent over the past 12
> >months.
> >That compares with a disappointing 18.9 per cent DROP in the Rangers price.
>
> Just a pity then that Rangers are still worth at least twice more than
> Celtic.
I think that your mixing up your Tims, surely you are thinking of that
well known sex pest JoBhoy.
Papa_Bear
Alan Tibbetts <al...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in article
<3695233E...@dial.pipex.com>...
> Papa_Bear wrote:
> > when "a team of eleven protestants, all committed to the cause" got us
> > gubbed regularly home and away by the likes of the Tims, Sheepshaggers,
> > Arabs et al.
>
> What about the team of the 70s? European trophy, treble, etc; ring any
> bells?
the 1970s, remember, was a period when only about 5 or 6 other European
countries played any football worth a damn, now it's about 25. Things were
easier then. Your team of EPACTHC would find themselves on the end of a
severe drubbing now by most teams they faced.
> I can't understand why so many people are aligning themselves with this
> person. Afterall, if he's so non-sectarian, why does he feel the need
> to declare himself a 'Tim'?
...people align themselves with Mr the Tim because, when he's not talking
about football, he talks a lot of common sense.....and how is 'Tim' a
sectarian term, btw?
> And before all you new-age Gers fans get
> too uppity - I'll bet you all sing the songs, you know, the ones about
> 'up to our knees in fenian blood', etc.
well, this "new age" Gers fan (first game was Airdrie in 1966...how old
were you then, Alan?) knows the words but chooses which ones to sing. What
the fuck does being up to your knees in blood or having a rifle or a pistol
in your hand have to do with FOOTBALL???
> The sad thing about this is I'm one of the most reasonable Rangers fans
> you'll ever meet
...the sad thing is that you think that.
> and certainly would not consider making bigoted remarks
> out with Ibrox and Rangers (and I can't explain why I do so in that
> arena, but I would challenge any Rangers fan who has followed the team
> home and away for any length of time who claims to have no bigotry in
> them), I just feel someone has to point out the hypocrisy going on
> here.
...if you are only prepared to make sectarian and bigoted remarks in 'safe'
company, I'd reckon that makes you pretty hypocritical.
I have followed Rangers home and away for over 30 years and I have no
bigotry in me. I dislike Celtic intensely, I feel a mixture of pity,
contempt, respect and loathing for them and many (most?) of their
fans....but bigotry? no.
pb
Jeff Best
>> >30th December
>> >
>> >SHARES in Celtic have soared by a staggering 27 per cent over the past
12
>> >months.
>> >That compares with a disappointing 18.9 per cent DROP in the Rangers
price.
Sorry, I never read, touch or buy the Catholic Gazette aka Daily Record.
JB
Jeff Best
>sectarian bigotry by the likes of Jeff and yourself?
<snip!>
>> too uppity - I'll bet you all sing the songs, you know, the > ones about
>> 'up to our knees in fenian blood', etc.
>
>Do you really think that everybody shares your need to shout sectarian
>abuse?
If they don't then they should go support thistle.
The fact is that Rangers Football Club is based on a foundation of Red,
White and Blue.
"It represents the Protestant, Unionist, Masonic tradition and has become
institutionalised in defence of these things." - Rangers player by player by
Ferrier and Mcelroy.
In today's world all these things are threatened what with the recent plague
of Scottish Nationalism, the removal of sanctions on Sinn Fein etc... true
blue people, like me, fear for the future of our country.
By no means will we ever give up our beliefs - "He who forgets history is
destined to repeat it".
I have a question, why do these rebels fly Irish tri-colours and sing the
Soldier song and hate the Queen, union etc... yet continue to live here in
Great Britain? If Ireland is so great why don't they all go live there?
That old statement is true - they never bomb the Post Offices because after
they kill and maim innocents they have to go pick up their British paid
Giro!
Don't tell me all that is in the past because that is a naive and gullible
thing to believe.
Anyway, I don't like talking about all this religious stuff when we're here
to talk football but as has been stated many times before, when the football
we're on about is Old Firm football then you just can't get away from the
old Billy and Tim argument.
Sorry if this message is a bit disorganised but these are just the things I
feel strongly about and I hope you will understand my sentiments.
JB - "You won't get me I'm part of the union.....'til the day I die"
KP Bhoy
Jeff Best wrote in message <774t7r$c5p$3...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
>JB - "You won't get me I'm part of the union.....'til the day I die"
what about tomorrow?
Ronnie the Tim
<jeff...@globalnet.co.uk> writes
>>Do you really think that everybody shares your need to shout sectarian
>>abuse?
>
>
>If they don't then they should go support thistle.
>
>The fact is that Rangers Football Club is based on a foundation of Red,
>White and Blue.
No it ain't, and "good" Currant Buns know that.
>"It represents the Protestant, Unionist, Masonic tradition and has become
>institutionalised in defence of these things." - Rangers player by player by
>Ferrier and Mcelroy.
For sad gits like you this seems eminently true.
>In today's world all these things are threatened what with the recent plague
>of Scottish Nationalism, the removal of sanctions on Sinn Fein etc... true
>blue people, like me, fear for the future of our country.
And true green people like me, and no doubt many of your own "true
blues" fear for the future of this great wee country while the
albatrosses of UK unionism hang round it's neck.
>By no means will we ever give up our beliefs - "He who forgets history is
>destined to repeat it".
He who forgets history is destined to repeat his Higher in it.
>I have a question, why do these rebels fly Irish tri-colours and sing the
>Soldier song and hate the Queen, union etc... yet continue to live here in
>Great Britain? If Ireland is so great why don't they all go live there?
Well, most of us were born here, most of us are proud to be descended
from Irish immigrants and many of us (most?) are equally proud to be
Scots. I'm not one for singing the Soldiers' Song but why on earth
should I be shipped out of the country for my intense dislike of those
royal wank bags and the artificial and undemocratic "union". I suppose
you'll deport all West Indian immigrant descendants for supporting The
Windies at cricket tests as well. BTW, where exactly do you expect to
ship me off to? Since you seem to be convinced that all Celtic fans are
(Irish) rebels looks like Donegal for me whether I like it or not.
You are Enoch Powell and I claim my fiver.
>That old statement is true - they never bomb the Post Offices because after
>they kill and maim innocents they have to go pick up their British paid
>Giro!
Why would anyone bomb somwhere that would be much more lucratively
robbed?
>Don't tell me all that is in the past because that is a naive and gullible
>thing to believe.
Naive and gullible describes yourself and any other saddo inclined to
subscribe to the pejorative pish you dribble.
>Anyway, I don't like talking about all this religious stuff when we're here
>to talk football but as has been stated many times before, when the football
>we're on about is Old Firm football then you just can't get away from the
>old Billy and Tim argument.
You started it (just about).
>Sorry if this message is a bit disorganised but these are just the things I
>feel strongly about and I hope you will understand my sentiments.
Feel as strongly as you want. Yep you are a bit disorganised but that
is because of your sentiments. I undestand them 'fooly' enough but I
refuse to accept them as adding anything positive to the future of
Scotland.
>JB - "You won't get me I'm part of the union.....'til the day I die"
If that's what it takes ;)
--
Ronnie the Tim
Ronnie the Tim
>person. Afterall, if he's so non-sectarian, why does he feel the need
>to declare himself a 'Tim'?
Ok dodo brains: because ALL Celtic fans call themselves this.
When I first came on the net I chose this nick to differentiate myself
from all the other Ronalds, Rons and Ronnies out there. If it was a
sectarian term my wife (member of the C of S and from fine Orange stock)
would hardly describe herself as a Tim, but she does.
--
Ronnie the Tim
Davy
>I think that your mixing up your Tims, surely you are thinking of that
>well known sex pest JoBhoy.
That is who I was replying to, JoBhoy. Why, did you think I was asking you?
:)
Have a nice day
davy
mmcdon
Jeff Best <jeff...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote in article
<774t7r$c5p$3...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
> >Maybe because they don't like seeing their football club associated with
> >sectarian bigotry by the likes of Jeff and yourself?
>
> <snip!>
>
> >> too uppity - I'll bet you all sing the songs, you know, the > ones
about
> >> 'up to our knees in fenian blood', etc.
> >
> >abuse?
>
>
> If they don't then they should go support thistle.
Let me rephrase then, do you really think that every true Rangers fan
shares your need to shout sectarian abuse?
> The fact is that Rangers Football Club is based on a > foundation of Red,
> White and Blue.
As far as I recall, RFC was not founded with any particular political
ethos, and indeed helped support the nascent Celtic FC.
> "It represents the Protestant, Unionist, Masonic tradition > and has
become
> institutionalised in defence of these things." - Rangers > player by
player by
> Ferrier and Mcelroy.
To many people in Glasgow, Rangers is their local club and they support it
not because they are lunatic bigots, but because they are football fans.
> In today's world all these things are threatened what with > the recent
plague
> of Scottish Nationalism,
Scottish Nationalism is hardly a recent phenomenon (although it has
certainly grown in recent years). It might be of interest to you that up
until recent years Scottish Catholics were less likely to support
independence than Scottish Protestants, and given that they make up 13% of
the population it would hardly help your cause to associate Scottish
Unionism with a virulent anti-Catholic prejudice.
> the removal of sanctions on Sinn Fein
Which sanctions would they be? SF were not an illegal organisation at any
stage since the 1920's.
> By no means will we ever give up our beliefs - "He who > forgets history
is
> destined to repeat it".
This seems to be a non sequiter point. I do not advocate that anybody
forgets history. In fact, as a history student, I have a vested interest in
the other direction...
> I have a question, why do these rebels fly Irish tri-colours > and sing
the
> Soldier song
Most probably because they are descendants of Irish immigrants, and are
proud of that fact.
> and hate the Queen,
They hate the Queen because the vast majority of rational human beings on
this planet believe monarchy to be morally indefensible.
> union etc... yet continue to live here in
> Great Britain? If Ireland is so great why don't they all go live > there?
Yeah, and if those bloody "Paki's" want to cheer for Pakistan at cricket,
why don't they piss off back to Pakistan?
> That old statement is true - they never bomb the Post > Offices because
after
> they kill and maim innocents they have to go pick up their > British paid
> Giro!
Are you suggesting that the Celtic supporters club bombs people? You seem a
little nutty to me, Jeff old boy...
> Don't tell me all that is in the past because that is a naive > and
gullible
> thing to believe.
The IRA (I presume you are referring to the IRA?) have been on ceasefire
(thankfully) for a long time. They are highly unlikely to break it, as long
as the Good Friday Agreement is adhered to.
> Anyway, I don't like talking about all this religious stuff > when we're
here
> to talk football
So why did you bring it up?