Next week - awesome

[Eskimo Will]

Well you all have the picture by now of a very disturbed week ahead with a
200 knot jet slamming into the UK. Something for everyone during the week,
rain, snow and stormy winds being the order of the day.
I'm worried particularly about next Friday because the potential is there
for a storm of greater ferocity than the one that battered Scotland last
week, track depends crucially on jet orientation, looks like a classic
Norwegian low and not Shapiro Keyser, so wind field will be larger. 00Z GFS
run (not to be taken literally) is awesome and shows destructive potential
with some very warm air from low latitude entrained initially which all
occludes out and condenses as rain/snow. Take care and keep an eye on the
MetO warnings. This storm will be focussing minds in Exeter for sure!

http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Haytor/automatic/Current_Vantage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

[Richard Dixon]

Death and destruction notwithstanding, the usual usw disclaimer, I am
very excited about this low. Sat out in the Atlantic on Thursday
embedded in the flow of the Iceland low it looks very menacing. The
UKMet solution this morning doesn't look too nasty until you realise
a) I recall someone on here saying that the UKMet output is on a
coarser grid than the model resolution itself and b) how much it
deepens in 24 hours. GFS and EC certainly look fruity.

If it does come off then tremendous kudos to the models - we're
talking about this 6 days beforehand. Anyhow enough pontificating, I
have snow to enjoy here in Munich.

Richard

[Adam Lea]

My fence got damaged in strong winds on Thursday evening so I am
concerned about this as I need to get it shored up. Otherwise there is a
risk of it blowing down on the neighbours car which would probably be an
insurance job (if it is covered) or very expensive for me.

[John Hall]

In article <B5udnaf8Wp06p37T...@bt.com>,

Adam Lea <lea...@btinternet.com> writes:
>My fence got damaged in strong winds on Thursday evening so I
>am concerned about this as I need to get it shored up. Otherwise
>there is a risk of it blowing down on the neighbours car which
>would probably be an insurance job (if it is covered) or very
>expensive for me.

Can't you warn the neighbours in advance, and suggest that they park
their car somewhere else if strong winds are forecast nearer the time?
--
John Hall
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw

[Dawlish]

On Dec 10, 9:42 am, "Eskimo Will" <w...@lyneside.demon.co.uk> wrote:

Agreed and good to see the possibilities being expressed fairly
sensibly. Nice to see Will getting excited about something other than
cold weather too. *>))

[Lawrence13]

> insurance job (if it is covered) or very expensive for me.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You can always strengthen temporarily with timber nails and stakes. Is
it a timber feather edged?

Unfortunately you can't do the same with slate roofs

[Lawrence13]

Why do you post to a weather group if you don't get excited by
weather. Of course it's worrying, I have an original slate roofmfacing
west and east so on the western side I could easily loose a few if the
winds were strong enough. Howevr I still get excited by extremes
regardless. There's almost a pioneering sprit that comes out in many
of us as we prepare to batten down the hatches.

[Andy M.]

On Dec 10, 9:42 am, "Eskimo Will" <w...@lyneside.demon.co.uk> wrote:

The gust probability product is the current ECMWF banner

http://www.ecmwf.int/samples/d/inspect/catalog/samplers/banner/probabilities_gusts!gust!144!Europe!%3E25m/s!00!pop!od!enfo!w_proba_gusts!2011121000!!/

[Adam Lea]

On 10/12/11 11:14, John Hall wrote:
> In article<B5udnaf8Wp06p37T...@bt.com>,
> Adam Lea<lea...@btinternet.com> writes:
>> My fence got damaged in strong winds on Thursday evening so I
>> am concerned about this as I need to get it shored up. Otherwise
>> there is a risk of it blowing down on the neighbours car which
>> would probably be an insurance job (if it is covered) or very
>> expensive for me.
>
> Can't you warn the neighbours in advance, and suggest that they park
> their car somewhere else if strong winds are forecast nearer the time?

The neighbour potentially affected was the one who warned me about it,
so they are already aware.

I'm concerned I would be liable for any damage incurred if it did fail
completely. Unfortunately I don't think there is time to have the fence
replaced. I am considering doing what Lawrence suggests and try to add
extra support to it, or else remove the fence panels completely.

[Buchan Meteo]

Adam Lea scrive:

> I'm concerned I would be liable for any damage incurred if it did fail
> completely. Unfortunately I don't think there is time to have the fence
> replaced. I am considering doing what Lawrence suggests and try to add
> extra support to it, or else remove the fence panels completely.

Your property insurance should include liability for damage to third
parties and so you would not be personally liable. Your neighbour's car
is no doubt also insured against damage. All in all, not a lot to worry
about.



--
Gianna
Peterhead, Scotland

buchan-meteo.org.uk

[seasend]

Although, fences would only normally be covered by property insurance
if the same event causes damage to the structure of the building
also..

Paul

[Teignmouth]

> Agreed and good to see the possibilities being expressed fairly
> sensibly. Nice to see Will getting excited about something other than
> cold weather too. *>))

You just can't help yourself and resist having constant little digs &
jibes at Will's forecasts, yet the minute someone has a swipe at you,
you'll threaten to report them to the Google Police.

It's one of the reason's so many people have left this group, and why
I don't post on here very often anymore.

It's about time you grew up, manned up, and stopped acting like a
little child that is always right & never wrong.

I fully understand why Will has blocked you, and Philip Eden decided
to leave this group.

It would be a sad day if Will also decided not to post on here, but a
relief to many if you finally decided to wind your neck in, or better
still if you left this group for others to feel free to post without
your constant whining & jibes.

Rant over.

[Roger Smith]

Adam might not be covered by his policy if damage is caused by a fence of
his which he knows to be in a dangerous condition and which he has not
repaired as soon as possible.

This is rather like putting up a "Beware of the Dog" sign which could be
construed as an admission that you know the beast is dangerous.

In the present case the neighbour has warned Adam of the risk to his car so
Adam cannot claim that he is not aware of the situation.

All that I am really saying, Gianna, is that you should not assume that
insurance companies will always pay out on claims which even reasonable
people might consider reasonable.
:)
Roger

[Buchan Meteo]

seasend scrive:

>
> Although, fences would only normally be covered by property insurance if
> the same event causes damage to the structure of the building also..
>
> Paul

I was not really concerned about the fence being covered but rather the
car being covered if damaged by the fence falling upon it.

[Graham P Davis]

On 10/12/11 15:39, Teignmouth wrote:
> I fully understand why Will has blocked you, and Philip Eden decided
> to leave this group.

I'm not sure Paul was to blame for PE leaving but I could be wrong. A
little while before he left, he got annoyed with the politics that was
being bandied about in place of scientific discussion.

Anyway, simple answer is to kill-file the twerps - or those you regard
as such - and sail serenely on.

I still think some people are looking back at the earlier days of this
newsgroup through rose-tinted spectacles. There were plenty of stupid
arguments in those days and some people left the group because of them.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
Teach evolution, not creationism: http://evolutionnotcreationism.org.uk/

[Lawrence13]

Yes I agree Gianna, the nieghbour could take offence

[Adam Lea]

On 10/12/11 15:58, Buchan Meteo wrote:
> seasend scrive:
>
>>
>> Although, fences would only normally be covered by property insurance if
>> the same event causes damage to the structure of the building also..
>>
>> Paul
>
> I was not really concerned about the fence being covered but rather the
> car being covered if damaged by the fence falling upon it.
>

Although wouldn't the car be covered only if the owner had fully
comprehensive insurance?

[Lawrence13]

> Paul- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes fences will be covered but premiums won't.

[Dawlish]

?? Nice to have you back. *>))

[Lawrence13]

The car will be covered alright Adam, unfortunately it will be with
splinters not insurance. Remove the panels if it's not too much effort
and then all resistance will be futile.

[Adam Lea]

That is looking like the best option until I can get a proper repair done.

[Tudor Hughes]

On Dec 10, 3:39 pm, Teignmouth <teignmo...@tesco.net> wrote:

That is so OTT I'm still rubbing my eyes to make sure I've
read it correctly. Yes, I have. It's a positive avalanche of self-
righteousness, brimming with cod-indignation.
And don't tell me you don't post here much because of Dawlish
- it simply doesn't ring true. Everyone knows I've had a few run-ins
with Dawlish but things have changed
Who are you, anyway? Name please.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

[Lawrence13]

> Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

__________________________________________________________________________________

Tudor: You first had a go at Dawlish and now you have a go at
Teignmouth-that really is the last resort.

[Dawlish]

> ___________________________________________________________________________­_______

>
> Tudor: You first had a go at Dawlish and now you have a go at

> Teignmouth-that really is the last resort.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

???

[John Hall]

In article
<8faf954a-7e41-4729...@z12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,

>???

It's a play on words, and rather a good one.

[Scott W]

On Dec 10, 8:41 pm, Lawrence13 <lawrenc...@sky.com> wrote:

chuckle and chortle. Ever thought of becoming a sub-editor?

[Dave Cornwell]

John Hall wrote:
> In article
> <8faf954a-7e41-4729...@z12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> Dawlish <pjg...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> On Dec 10, 8:41 pm, Lawrence13 <lawrenc...@sky.com> wrote:
>>> Tudor: You first had a go at Dawlish and now you have a go at
>>> Teignmouth-that really is the last resort.
>> ???
>
> It's a play on words, and rather a good one.

----------------
....... and I got it :)

[The witness]

he fucked your head?

[Tudor Hughes]

On Dec 10, 8:41 pm, Lawrence13 <lawrenc...@sky.com> wrote:

> ___________________________________________________________________________­_______

>
> Tudor: You first had a go at Dawlish and now you have a go at

> Teignmouth-that really is the last resort.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Nice one, but you haven't been to Rhyl or Margate.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

[Neil]

> ........ and I got it :)

Me too :)

What do you do during the day Lawrence - Write straplines for tabloids!?
You're always very quick off the marks with the wordplay . . .

[Lawrence13]

Bill Gate's mum was a seaside resort.

[liams...@lavabit.com]

On Dec 10, 9:42 am, "Eskimo Will" <w...@lyneside.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Well you all have the picture by now of a very disturbed week ahead with a
> 200 knot jet slamming into the UK. Something for everyone during the week,
> rain, snow and stormy winds being the order of the day.
> I'm worried particularly about next Friday because the potential is there
> for a storm of greater ferocity than the one that battered Scotland last
> week, track depends crucially on jet orientation, looks like a classic
> Norwegian low and not Shapiro Keyser, so wind field will be larger. 00Z GFS
> run (not to be taken literally) is awesome and shows destructive potential
> with some very warm air from low latitude entrained initially which all
> occludes out and condenses as rain/snow. Take care and keep an eye on the
> MetO warnings. This storm will be focussing minds in Exeter for sure!
>
> http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Haytor/automatic/Current_Vantage_Pro.htm
> Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
> ---------------------------------------------

Looking at the MO warnings, it appears as though the whole of the UK
is going to be covered by custard on Thursday and Friday:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_warnings.html

[Richard Dixon]

liams...@lavabit.com wrote in
news:a35612b8-94a1-4b8f...@e2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

I like it - mabye they could rename the 3 colours of warning as custard,
marmalade and ketchup?

Richard

[Lawrence13]

I also expect some sponge and jelly as this is a storm not to be
trifled with , Any Sherry in a storm I say.

.

[Lawrence13]

On Dec 12, 11:12 am, Richard Dixon <rdngem...@yah00.c0.uk> wrote:

> Richard- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Ketchup-that's enough of your source,

[Richard Dixon]

On Dec 12, 12:31 pm, Lawrence13 <lawrenc...@sky.com> wrote:

> Ketchup-that's enough of your source,

You're condimental.

[Lawrence13]

That's tantamount to verbal assalt.

[Hugh Newbury]

On 11/12/11 23:19, Lawrence13 wrote:

...

> Bill Gate's mum was a seaside resort.

Rather like that celeb woman who's named after a hotel.

Hugh

--

Hugh Newbury

www.evershot-weather.org

[MahFL]

I think if a car is damaged by a fence falling into your yard, it's
the car owners insurance that has to pay up, and only if they have
comprehensive insurance, as the fence owners falling fence is regarded
as "An act of God".

[Paul Hyett]

On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 at 04:35:55, MahFL <mahinf...@bellsouth.net>
wrote in uk.sci.weather :

Conveniently, God is unavailable to be sued... :p
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

[Joe Whyte]

"Paul Hyett" wrote in message news:uon9f3V8...@blueyonder.co.uk...

On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 at 04:35:55, MahFL <mahinf...@bellsouth.net>
wrote in uk.sci.weather :

Conveniently, God is unavailable to be sued... :p
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

=====================================================

WHAT!???
Unavailable????

Doesn't he still live in Dawlish?


;->

Joe

[John Hall]

In article
<249888f6-3133-4571...@v6g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,

That would normally be the case, perhaps, but I'm not sure that it would
apply in this case, where the owner of the fence has been warned in
advance that it is very shaky.

[Adam Lea]

On 13/12/11 18:35, John Hall wrote:
> In article
> <249888f6-3133-4571...@v6g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
> MahFL<mahinf...@bellsouth.net> writes:
>> I think if a car is damaged by a fence falling into your yard, it's
>> the car owners insurance that has to pay up, and only if they have
>> comprehensive insurance, as the fence owners falling fence is regarded
>> as "An act of God".
>
> That would normally be the case, perhaps, but I'm not sure that it would
> apply in this case, where the owner of the fence has been warned in
> advance that it is very shaky.

Well it has been supported with a makeshift ground anchor and rope, and
it comfortably survived the strong winds on Monday evening, so should be
ok until a proper repair can be done.

[Lawrence13]

On Dec 14, 8:35 am, Adam Lea <lea...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 13/12/11 18:35, John Hall wrote:
>
> > In article

> > <249888f6-3133-4571-827a-b7032d8bb...@v6g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
> >   MahFL<mahinflor...@bellsouth.net>  writes:

> >> I think if a car is damaged by a fence falling into your yard, it's
> >> the car owners insurance that has to pay up, and only if they have
> >> comprehensive insurance, as the fence owners falling fence is regarded
> >> as "An act of God".
>
> > That would normally be the case, perhaps, but I'm not sure that it would
> > apply in this case, where the owner of the fence has been warned in
> > advance that it is very shaky.
>
> Well it has been supported with a makeshift ground anchor and rope, and
> it comfortably survived the strong winds on Monday evening, so should be
> ok until a proper repair can be done.

I think timber struts would be better Adam; say ten feet plus.two by
one would be enough. (they can always be used for something else
afterwards) They, fixed to some two to three foot stakes whacked in
the soil at an angle would really secure the fence in both directions,
whereas the rope would only do it in one.