Split betwen Church and State In Engalnd
Jim Docherty
Jim
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> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/03/1038712938705.html
> Williams looks at church separation.
> The new Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, has ordered an
independent
> blueprint for a possible separation of the Church of England from the
state,
> according to a London newspaper.
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> Dr Williams, 52, has reportedly asked the Constitution Unit at London
> University to draw up detailed plans explaining how the church could be
> partly or fully separated from the state.
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> Britain's reigning monarch would no longer be supreme head of the Church
of
> England under full disestablishment. The church has been linked to the
state
> since Henry VIII made himself supreme head of the Church of England in
1534.
> Disestablishment would
> allow a British monarch to convert to Catholicism or marry a Catholic.
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> Heir to the throne Prince Charles would also be able to marry his
long-term
> companion and fellow divorcee, Camilla Parker-Bowles, in church.
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> Dr Williams, a controversial theologian who supports the idea of women
> bishops and accepts gay priests, has become
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> the spiritual leader of 70 million Anglicans worldwide. The former
> Archbishop of Wales replaced George Carey, who retired in October.
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> A copy of the Constitution Unit's draft proposals, seen by The Times
> newspaper but not by Dr Williams, says that disestablishment would have
> "huge symbolic and real practical benefits, only gilded vested interests
> would lose".
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> A spokesman for Dr Williams said that the new archbishop was "looking for
> more information generally about the whole nature of disestablishment and
> the shape of a national church".
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> He added that Dr Williams "takes an evolutionary view on the basis that
this
> relationship has constantly evolved".
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> Dr Williams was officially confirmed as archbishop on Monday in a ceremony
> which has its roots in the 12th and 13th centuries and was enshrined in
the
> Appointment of Bishops Act in 1534.
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> It is the second part of a two-stage process. The College of Canons at
> Canterbury Cathedral privately elected Dr Williams last month. Monday's
> ceremony publicly affirmed the election to the wider church.
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> Dr Williams is now legally the Archbishop, but he will not
> be enthroned in Canterbury
> Cathedral until February.
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"Jim Docherty" <Jim.Do...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Does this mean that many will return to Rome?
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> Jim
God Forbid!
Don't sent more multitudes to their certain death.
"Rome" is finished once the Lord returns.
"Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that
sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the
inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her
fornication.........
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with
gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of
abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE
MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
[what other religious sect has committed more "Abominations" [even to this
very day] then the Roman Catholic Church over the last 1,500 years? ]
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the
blood of the martyrs of Jesus: [The outrages Inquisistion?] and when I saw
her, I wondered with great admiration.
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee
the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the
seven heads and ten horns............
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven
mountains, on "which the woman sitteth." Rev 17:1-9 (KJV)
<<<<<<<ROME>>>>>>>>
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore
sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the
whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and
burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and
give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be
fulfilled.
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over
the kings of the earth." Rev 17:15-18 (KJV)
Which the Roman Catholic Church did for centuries, especially when this was
written.
" 20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for
God hath avenged you on her.
21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it
into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be
thrown down, and shall be found no more at all...........
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all
that were slain upon the earth."
Rev 18:20-24 (KJV)
True! look at the centuries of killing and murdering the saints of God, who
refused to capitulate to her heresies and vile atrocities of murder,
debauchery and corruption.
Refusing to "Love" it's enemies, instead it, Annihilated them, and ALL in
the name of God, they cried.
Now she will have to pay for her wickedness and her murdering of multitudes,
blasphemy committed in the name of God.
"2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great
whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged
the blood of his servants at her hand.
3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever."
Rev 19:2-3 (KJV)
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Jim Docherty" <Jim.Do...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Does this mean that many will return to Rome?
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> Jim
God Forbid!
Don't sent more multitudes to their certain death.
"Rome" is finished once the Lord returns.
"Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that
sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the
inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her
fornication.........
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with
gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of
abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE
MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
[what other religious sect has committed more "Abominations" [even to this
very day] then the Roman Catholic Church over the last 1,500 years? ]
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the
blood of the martyrs of Jesus: [The outrages Inquisition?] and when I saw
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
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<<<<<<<ROME>>>>>>>>
Which Roman did for centuries, especially when this was
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
<<<<<<<ROME>>>>>>>>
Which Rome did for centuries, especially when this was
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He is no "Spiritual" leader at all, he has "Denied the faith" in many ways,
[ he is also a celebrated pagan, how crazy can that be? ] for his ideas
are completely against what is taught by the Holy Oracles especially over
heretical and evil women priests, bishops, and fornicating Sodomites as
priests etc. He has 'lost it........ big time.'
"16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being
abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."
Titus 1:16 (KJV)
Jeff...
<Read yourself RICH in the ways of the TRUTH> Website:
http://www.antipas.org
"16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in
doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee."
1 Tim 4:16 (KJV)
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Young, Free and British without breasts
I really like Rowan Williams. I've seen him on television a lot, he's
frightfully intelligent, and he seems to be the best archbishop of
canterbury imaginable to me.
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Iain
Young, Free and British without breasts
Some people might say it won't cause any effective difference because
if the link between Church and state in Britain was real in the first
place, then we'd be living in 1500s England right now, or even less
bearable religionwise, modern USA :(
But it's good that the British constitution may gain a sense of what
it means to trancend things such as religion and race, intead of all
this "woi' cawcha , black cawcha, wois all these islams comin over
'ere to this chrischin cawcha. boi the way, wot is cawcha anyway?"
And also no more House of Lords lip-served connection with
"christianity" which gets British non-xians upset and want more
recognition, keeping the whole pendulum of political
correctness(inverted fascism) swinging.
Incidentally, I wonder if this will have any effect in the the other
three states.
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Iain
tim gueguen
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> "Jim Docherty" <Jim.Do...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> > Does this mean that many will return to Rome?
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> God Forbid!
> Don't sent more multitudes to their certain death.
> "Rome" is finished once the Lord returns.
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Which I suppose is "any day now," right?
tim gueguen 101867
Chris Mitchell
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>He is no "Spiritual" leader at all, he has "Denied the faith" in many ways,
>[ he is also a celebrated pagan, how crazy can that be? ]
He's not a pagan, and said some things that offended quite a lot of
pagans of my (online) acquaintance. He's a poet, and his attendance
where he was bestowed with an honour related to his skill as a poet.
He was quoted as saying ""The suggestion that the Gorsedd is even
remotely associated with paganism is deeply offensive."
The ceremony had Christian hymns and texts.
Personally, I think it's a shame because I think it would be splendid
to see a genuinely pagan Archbishop of Canterbury, though a little
incongruous. However, we don't have one yet.
Chris.
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Chris Mitchell,
Bristol, England.
http://www.zaalberg.freeserve.co.uk
phobos
Eight identical posts in a single day, crossposted to six newsgroups.
I think the automatic spamcancellers will come in long before the Lord does ;-)
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> Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by "Jim Docherty"
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> # Does this mean that many will return to Rome?
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> No, but Ian Paisley will have a fit of the screaming heebie-jeebies.
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> Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by "Jim Docherty"
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> # Does this mean that many will return to Rome?
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> No, but Ian Paisley will have a fit of the screaming heebie-jeebies.
Is that the chap who dislikes Roman Catholics?
Christopher A. Lee
He's a "graduate" of Bob Jones "University". Saying he dislikes Roman
Catholics is putting it mildly.
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> Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by "Jim Docherty"
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