Schools could offer Koran classes/ntegrated Education
claire....@ntlworld.com
I tend to support the idea of integrated education but am not sure how
this would work in practice with so many different faith-groups in
many UK schools. Would it still be accepted that each faith claims to
be the true faith - if we try to deny the competing claims of
religions then this attempt at integration will fail. Conversely will
attempts to find common ground be seen wrongly by some as undermining
their faith as has been the case already even within the Christian
faith?
Hmmm, interesting ....,
All views welcomed - no trolls please.
claire....@ntlworld.com
Call to offer faith class choice
By Hannah Goff
BBC News at the NUT conference, Manchester
'Pupils from different backgrounds should be educated together'
Head teachers should allow imams, rabbis and priests to offer
religious instruction to pupils in all state schools, teachers'
leaders have said.
The National Union of Teachers (NUT) said the move would be a way to
reunite divided communities.
The NUT said parents had a right to have specific schooling in their
own faith, if that was what they wanted.
But the Church of England disagreed, saying: "Religious instruction
belongs with the religious institutions."
'Not about indoctrination'
A Church of England spokesman said: "It is for religions to teach
their faith to people; it is for schools to teach about religion.
"Faith schools are not about indoctrinating children in a particular
faith."
He added: "Church schools are generally welcomed by parents, which
explains why they tend to be over-subscribed."
But the NUT said having children taught at different faith-based
schools had led to community breakdown in some areas.
Offering pupils some instruction in their own faith could reduce the
demand for faith schools, said NUT General Secretary Steve Sinnott.
'Real benefits'
It could be devised in response to parental demand and would be
provided over and above the religious education already included in
the curriculum.
Speaking to reporters at the union's annual conference in Manchester,
Mr Sinnott said the post-1960s immigration from Southern Asia meant
many more Muslim and Hindu youngsters were growing up in Britain.
He said: "This had led some people to reflect whether the development
of faith schools was something which should be supported in a national
context."
The real concern is that youngsters from different backgrounds needed
to be educated together, he added.
This is not something a school should play with, it's not something
a school should create as a second tier of responsibility
Steve Sinnott, NUT General Secretary
"This is more than simple religious education, it's religious
instruction.
"There would be real benefits to all our communities and to youngsters
if we can find a space for parents who are Roman Catholic, parents who
are Church of England, parents who are Jewish, parents who are Muslim
for them to have space for some religious instruction.
"In that way we could keep cohesion within communities."
Mr Sinnott acknowledged the plan would require a "significant
rearrangement" of the curriculum but insisted it was not
"unworkable".
Consequences
claire....@ntlworld.com
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> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:25:39 -0700 (PDT), claire.easth...@ntlworld.com
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> >On 24 Mar, 14:05, claire.easth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7311178.stm
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> >> I tend to support the idea of integrated education but am not sure how
> >> this would work in practice with so many different faith-groups in
> >> many UK schools. Would it still be accepted that each faith claims to
> >> be the true faith - if we try to deny the competing claims of
> >> religions then this attempt at integration will fail. Conversely will
> >> attempts to find common ground be seen wrongly by some as undermining
> >> their faith as has been the case already even within the Christian
> >> faith?
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> >> Hmmm, interesting ....,
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> >> All views welcomed - no trolls please.
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> >Call to offer faith class choice
> >By Hannah Goff
> >BBC News at the NUT conference, Manchester
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> farms. Here is what I find:
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> Church of Scotland
> Free Church of Scotland
> Reformed Church of Scotland
> Episcopalian (Anglican Communion)
> Roman Catholic
> Baptist
> Strict Baptist
> Bush Baptist
> Brethren
> Exclusive Brethren
> Plymouth Brethren
> Jehovahs Witnesses
> Covenantors
> One Valentinian Christian Gnostic (Me)
> Wiccans
> We even have a couple of families who keep
> the Auld Lights alive.
> We also have ALL Islamic faiths represented. (During the
> Iraq/Iran war this created quite a problem. They were at
> each others throats!! Quite unseemly!!)
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> At a glance, it seems to me that there are not enough hours
> in the school day to do each faith justice! It seems to me that
> this is another example of ill thought out political correct
> bullshitianism. A case of politicians doing anything for a
> vote! Religious education should be kept out of state schools.
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> I could be wrong !
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That is a vary fair point - as I said I don't know how it would work
in practice.
claire....@ntlworld.com
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> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:00:37 -0700 (PDT), claire.easth...@ntlworld.com
> left to the family. It really is too important a topic for self serving,
> self-centered, amoral scum bags to be allowed to interfere in.
> Just think about it for a moment. would you trust politicians with your
> soul or that of your loved ones? I most certainly would not. Do I hear
> some one mention that advisors would be used? ..who decides?
> How would they decide? Let's see how many votes would we get if
> we used Abu what's it, that dithering pillock at Canterbury........
> I'm sorry to be so negative. It is a topic best kept out of the hands of
> those bent bastards at Westminster/Holyrood/Wesh Assembly.
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> You may think I could be wrong here, but on this topic I know I am on the
> side of the Angels.
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Hmmm, I think you may have a good point. The NUT were thinking about
this as an alternative to further segregation. I went to an ecumenical
school myself. We went to church once a month and all the Catholic
kiddies walked one way out the school gate and all the Protestant
kiddies the opposite! If Synogogs Mosques and Temples were involved
think of the ensuing chaos as attempts were made to synchronies the
services!!! ;-) Seriously though ...
claire....@ntlworld.com
wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:00:37 -0700 (PDT), claire.easth...@ntlworld.com
> left to the family. It really is too important a topic for self serving,
> self-centered, amoral scum bags to be allowed to interfere in.
> Just think about it for a moment. would you trust politicians with your
> soul or that of your loved ones? I most certainly would not. Do I hear
> some one mention that advisors would be used? ..who decides?
> How would they decide? Let's see how many votes would we get if
> we used Abu what's it, that dithering pillock at Canterbury........
> I'm sorry to be so negative. It is a topic best kept out of the hands of
> those bent bastards at Westminster/Holyrood/Wesh Assembly.
>
> You may think I could be wrong here, but on this topic I know I am on the
> side of the Angels.
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Hmmm, I think you may have a good point. The NUT were thinking about
this as an alternative to further segregation. I went to an ecumenical
school myself. We went to church once a month and all the Catholic
kiddies walked one way out the school gate and all the Protestant
kiddies the opposite! If Synogogs Mosques and Temples were involved
think of the ensuing chaos as attempts were made to synchronies the
services!!! ;-) Seriously though ...,