Enforced sudden absence
pg
while...
Actually I'm astonished that ukrc is still here, seeing as Hawking has just
killed God, according to the popular media. Surprised no one has raised the
subject, or have I missed the relevant thread?
pg
- .. -- Tim .-.
Perhaps we have finally learnt to ignore the popular media.
Tim.
Kendall Down
> Actually I'm astonished that ukrc is still here, seeing as Hawking has just
> killed God, according to the popular media. Surprised no one has raised the
> subject, or have I missed the relevant thread?
You missed the relevant thread.
Curiously, most of us appear unwilling to credit Dr Hawking with
infallible knowledge.
God bless,
Kendall K. Down
pg
news:i6clgo$djk$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
In that respect of course, as well you know, you views are in perfect accord
with those of Hawking himself.
pg
Alwyn
Mr Hawking's book has yet to be published, and so none of us has read it
yet. We are going on the words of a few journalists. As I implied
elsewhere, better to wait until we know exactly what the great man said.
Alwyn
Phil
Unsurprisingly we dont get too excited when an atheist dismisses God.
Phil
chorl...@gmail.com
But one asks contrarily: what data, if found, would prove the
existence of God?
David
(would an anti universe with a single meagre star and a miserable
almost barren planet with a barely motile single life form prove the
existence of God.... thought not)
Kendall Down
> But one asks contrarily: what data, if found, would prove the
> existence of God?
The Second Coming.
John R
wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:11:55 +0100, Kendall Down <kkd...@nwtv.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On 15/09/2010 02:08, chorl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> But one asks contrarily: what data, if found, would prove the
>>> existence of God?
>>
>>The Second Coming.
Which, according to the Bible, should have taken place in the 1st
Century.
Kendall Down
>>> The Second Coming.
> Which, according to the Bible, should have taken place in the 1st
> Century.
I don't deny that some (many?) early Christians hoped for Christ's
return in their own lifetime. However even in his earliest letters
(Thessalonians) St Paul was warning against too much excitement and
stating that the end would not come before certain stated conditions had
been met.
Gareth McCaughan
Kendall Down wrote:
But also plainly believed (or at least purported to believe, though
I have no reason to think he wasn't sincere) that it would happen
in his own lifetime.
(Note: 1 Thessalonians, which anticipates the Second Coming within
Paul's own lifetime, is I think universally agreed to be by Paul.
2 Thessalonians, which warns its readers against false claims that
the Second Coming is already upon them and gives criteria that must
be met before it happens, is not, though I think most scholars
favour Pauline authorship.)
--
Gareth McCaughan
sig under construc
Phil
> On Sep 10, 4:20 am, "Phil" <philipsaund...@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>> pg wrote:
>>> Apologies for not replying to multiple posts, but had to step out
>>> for a while...
>>
>>> Actually I'm astonished that ukrc is still here, seeing as Hawking
>>> has just killed God, according to the popular media. Surprised no
>>> one has raised the subject, or have I missed the relevant thread?
>>
>>> pg
>>
>> Unsurprisingly we dont get too excited when an atheist dismisses God.
>>
>> Phil
>
> But one asks contrarily: what data, if found, would prove the
> existence of God?
I have already been found by God. You need data but I already have mine.
Phil
Kendall Down
> But also plainly believed (or at least purported to believe, though
> I have no reason to think he wasn't sincere) that it would happen
> in his own lifetime.
Hoped, I think, rather than believed.
Gareth McCaughan
Ken Down wrote:
> On 16/09/2010 09:55, Gareth McCaughan wrote:
>
>> But also plainly believed (or at least purported to believe, though
>> I have no reason to think he wasn't sincere) that it would happen
>> in his own lifetime.
>
> Hoped, I think, rather than believed.
He said things like "we who are alive, who are left, shall be
caught up together with them in the clouds". No sign there of
any uncertainty on his part.
(That passage does present itself as offering hope -- but (1)
that doesn't mean Paul's position was one of hope rather than
actual belief and (2) the issue on which it's offering hope is
in any case not "what will happen to those who are alive when
Jesus returns?" nor "which among us, if any, will be alive when
Jesus returns?" but "will Christians who have died before Jesus
returns have to miss out on all the fun?".)
Phil
What an odd bible you have.
Phil