UK Crime Figures
Richard Lucas
office websites, and I hope that the following information is useful.
I am quoting here from the Home office publication "Notifiable
Offences England and Wales July 1996 to June 1997". This is the last
full year for which I could find details, the 1997 document was inaccessible.
Main Points
In the 12 months to June 1997, 92% of offences recorded by the police
were against property, 7% were violent crimes (245900 in total).
Offences of violence against the person rose by 8%, sexual offences
by 7%, but the number of robberies fell by 3%.
Domestic burglary fell by 10%, non domestic burglary by 5%. The
number of recorded burglaries fell in all but three force areas.
Vehicle crime fell by 9%, with falls in all but 7 force areas.
(The rate of increase in violent crime was lower than in the previous
12 months, when it was 10.4%).
Total crime fell by 5.5% (283,600)
In Scotland, the figures for the year of 1997 are given.
Total crime figures fell by 7%. Housebreaking has halved in the last
6 years. Car theft fell 16%. Violent crime fell 11%, with serious
assault down 13%.
The main increase areas were prostitution and drug offences. It is
not difficult to see a connection here. There was a rise in reports
of sexual offences, although it seems many of these were historic,
only now reported in the better climate of the present.
The lowest crime rate was in the Highland area, so nervous visitors
should consider a trip on the Caledonian Canal (437 crimes per year
per 10,000 inhabitants - about half the rate of urban areas).
I don't have comparable US figures, but the trend in UK is positive, IMHO.
I'll give more info if anybody wants it, but I hope our US visitors
minds are put at rest.
--
Cheers
Richard
"I've got a right to arm bears, me" Corporal Edward St John de
Nobbes, Earl of Ankh.
Malcolm Nixon
<richar...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>.
>.The lowest crime rate was in the Highland area, so nervous visitors
>.should consider a trip on the Caledonian Canal (437 crimes per year
>.per 10,000 inhabitants - about half the rate of urban areas).
>.
I regret to say I have never been on the Caledonian by boat -
just walking along the shore.
Not far away on Skye - I was talking to the police this summer
and they say that it is the tourists that bring in the crime -
during the winter they have a very quite time. But even in summer
the crime is relatively trivial.
--
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Molly Mockford
Malcolm Nixon wrote in message <361a751a...@newnews.dial.pipex.com>...
>On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:15:51 +0100, Richard Lucas
><richar...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>.
>>.The lowest crime rate was in the Highland area, so nervous visitors
>>.should consider a trip on the Caledonian Canal (437 crimes per year
>>.per 10,000 inhabitants - about half the rate of urban areas).
>>.
>
>I regret to say I have never been on the Caledonian by boat -
>just walking along the shore.
>
lack of moorings. If anybody is considering it, I would be happy to provide
heavily edited extracts of the ship's log for information.
--
Molly
MartinP
Molly Mockford wrote:
even handier would be a 600 foot anchor chain :O)
Niall
<mock...@tesco.net> wrote:
>>
>We did part of the Caledonian in 1997 and thoroughly enjoyed it, despite the
>lack of moorings. If anybody is considering it, I would be happy to provide
>heavily edited extracts of the ship's log for information.
Moorings? Real boats have anchors so you can get wet and muddy at
regular intervals. :-)
Seriously, I thought most of the hotels and restuarants along the
Caledonian had pontoons.
I used to think that returning from the pub in a rubber dinghy was the
most hazardous part of boating but it looks like towpaths can be a bit
dodgy too!
--
Niall
Drascombe Coaster - Tangram
http://www.btinternet.com/~niallcw/sailing
"Take oot the chart and score oot Port Ellen," said the Captain a little later; "that's another place we daurna enter in the Western Isles!"
(Neil Munro, "Para Handy Tales")
Mike Stevens
1890, and no probably computer crime before WWII? About as much
use as any crime statistics I've seen.
--
Mike Stevens, nb Felis Catus II
The vloi be on the turmut, an it all be oi for we ter troi to
keet'n off the turmut.
Any off-list replies, please, to michael...@which.net
martinP
Niall wrote:
> <mock...@tesco.net> wrote:
> >We did part of the Caledonian in 1997 and thoroughly enjoyed it, despite the
> >lack of moorings. If anybody is considering it, I would be happy to provide
> >heavily edited extracts of the ship's log for information.
> Moorings? Real boats have anchors so you can get wet and muddy at
> regular intervals. :-)
Anchoring in Loch Ness is a bit of a problem as below water level the sides are sheer and the bottom is 600 feet deep, it's why I said maybe
offering a 600' anchor chain would help. We have done the trip twice on both occasions we moored before and after Loch Ness but not on it. Also
if it is windy it is quite choppy so even if you did anchor you wouldn't have a very quiet night....not too mention worrying about being gobbled
up by the legend.
ATB Martin
molly_m...@my-dejanews.com
>
> >>
> >We did part of the Caledonian in 1997 and thoroughly enjoyed it, despite the
> >lack of moorings. If anybody is considering it, I would be happy to provide
> >heavily edited extracts of the ship's log for information.
>
> Moorings? Real boats have anchors so you can get wet and muddy at
> regular intervals. :-)
>
> Caledonian had pontoons.
>
great disappointment that the game butcher was closed due to lack of
staff) the jetty was so broken and rotten that I went along it on my hands
and knees (recommended mode of progress to Guy). Others had room for
one or two boats at the maximum. But there were some good large
moorings too, here and there. Urquhart Castle (the one which is pay-and-
display) was very hard to find the right line to on the first visit, but after
that presented no problems.
And what a beautiful part of the country! Many of my family were raised
within sight of Loch Ness.
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Richard Lucas
from mike...@which.net (Mike Stevens) contains these words:
> Did you realise, there was no automobile crime in the UK before
> 1890, and no probably computer crime before WWII? About as much
> use as any crime statistics I've seen.
Yes, I did, but I don't see the point you wish to make.
I thought the figures would be useful to rebut the article from the
Washington Post quoted by George that seemed to suggest we were
experiencing some kind of "Mad Max" crime wave.
I am well aware that there are lies, damned lies and statistics, but
thr figures I quoted are at least "official"and not the fevered
rantings of a journalist with an axe to grind.
George Pearson
> I thought the figures would be useful to rebut the article from the
> Washington Post quoted by George that seemed to suggest we were
> experiencing some kind of "Mad Max" crime wave.
I don't think the article suggested that at all. It discusses how the
*relative* crime rate between England and US has changed between
1981 and 1995. Here's a sample quote:
"At the same time, the rate for burglaries in England in 1995 was nearly
double America's -- a sharp contrast from 1981, when the burglary rate
here was more than twice England's. The tables also turned for the robbery
rate, which is now 1.4 times higher in England than here."
> I am well aware that there are lies, damned lies and statistics, but
> thr figures I quoted are at least "official"and not the fevered
> rantings of a journalist with an axe to grind.
I think this is misconstruing the article. The Washington Post is a
a respectable, and respected, newspaper. The information in the
article comes from a report from the Department of Justice, one of
the major agencies of the U.S. Government (not that that necessarily
means anything). :-)
BTW, the article now has a new URL:
http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-10/05/066l-100598-idx.html
- george
Richard Lucas
from geo...@adiva.com (George Pearson) contains these words:
> "At the same time, the rate for burglaries in England in 1995 was nearly
> double America's -- a sharp contrast from 1981, when the burglary rate
> here was more than twice England's. The tables also turned for the robbery
> rate, which is now 1.4 times higher in England than here."
I can't find UK figures, but the Scottish figures state that the
crime rate in Scotland in 1997 was back at the 1981 level, having
fallen over the last six years, after rising through the eighties.
Burglary, called housebreaking in Scotland, has halved over the last
six years. Somebodies figures must be wrong!
Brian L Dominic
>
>We did part of the Caledonian in 1997 and thoroughly enjoyed it, despite the
>lack of moorings. If anybody is considering it, I would be happy to provide
>heavily edited extracts of the ship's log for information.
>
Brian L Dominic
Web Sites:
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Molly Mockford
Brian L Dominic wrote in message
<1.5.4.32.1998100...@post.proweb.co.uk>...
>At 22:18 06/10/98 +0100, molly wrote:
>>
>>We did part of the Caledonian in 1997 and thoroughly enjoyed it, despite
the
>>lack of moorings. If anybody is considering it, I would be happy to
provide
>>heavily edited extracts of the ship's log for information.
>>
>Post it anyway - we'd all like to read it!!
>
I would have done hasty extracts to provide info to anyone considering
the CC for next year, but as far as trip reports go I hope to have it
ready by December. I know that sounds ages away, but I've got a
lot to do before then and there's quite a lot of it!
--
Molly
MartinP
Richard Lucas wrote:
> The message <Pine.SUN.3.96.981007123137.28196K-100000@luxor>
> from geo...@adiva.com (George Pearson) contains these words:
>
> > "At the same time, the rate for burglaries in England in 1995 was nearly
> > double America's -- a sharp contrast from 1981, when the burglary rate
> > here was more than twice England's. The tables also turned for the robbery
> > rate, which is now 1.4 times higher in England than here."
>
> I can't find UK figures, but the Scottish figures state that the
> crime rate in Scotland in 1997 was back at the 1981 level, having
> fallen over the last six years, after rising through the eighties.
> Burglary, called housebreaking in Scotland, has halved over the last
> six years. Somebodies figures must be wrong!
It's the US figures for Europe, they were trying to show what a wonderful crime
free country the US had becaome under the sturdy leadership of Uncle Bill, the
Dutch Govt. has already said that the Dutch figures in this report were rubbish.
why shouldn't all the other European figures be rubbish too. We are in the era
of renta-statistic and half truths. How many impeachment procedings have there
been in Europe since 1970?
Martin
Brian L Dominic
>Thanks, Brian! It's not actually typed up yet, but will be in due course.
>I would have done hasty extracts to provide info to anyone considering
>the CC for next year, but as far as trip reports go I hope to have it
>ready by December. I know that sounds ages away, but I've got a
>lot to do before then and there's quite a lot of it!
>
I shall look forward to it, nevertheless.....
<whisper>
I'll be on topic, too.......
</whisper>
Richard Lucas
from domin...@proweb.co.uk (Brian L Dominic) contains these words:
> I shall look forward to it, nevertheless.....
As shall I!
Niall
wrote:
>
>Anchoring in Loch Ness is a bit of a problem as below water level the sides are sheer and the bottom is 600 feet deep, it's why I said maybe
>offering a 600' anchor chain would help.
This is a problem in much of the Clyde and W. Scottish waters. It can
be tricky finding the precise spot where the water is shallow enough
and the boat is far enough away from the side.
It's not helped by the number of anchorages where the only decent spot
has a private mooring slap bang in the middle of it; they seem to be
on the increase every year.
Local authority mooring buoys are provided in many places but they are
usually placed in the part of the anchorage which is traditionally
unused for good reasons, far from the landing place and exposed to
swell.
In Loch Ranza this "summer" I found that a loop of fairly heavy chain
doubled round the buoy ring and shackled to a long length of nylon
anchor warp made a tremendous difference to the comfort level- the
snubbing and banging experienced with the usual short warp was
practically eliminated as the weight of the chain keeps the warp from
going slack.
Advantage of a small boat- at 20', the moorings are spaced for 40' loa
or more so hanging on 20' of warp you are still clear of the other
moorings.
Martin E Phillips
I wonder if you could enlighten me as to what sort of boat a Drascombe
Coaster is (or is it a drinks mat)? I've been reading your sig for what
seems like years and have oft wondered.
Wassail!
--
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Home brewing, black pudding, boats, Morris Dancing and more
MartinP
Martin E Phillips wrote:
> Neill,
>
> I wonder if you could enlighten me as to what sort of boat a Drascombe
> Coaster is (or is it a drinks mat)? I've been reading your sig for what
> seems like years and have oft wondered.
If you look into his sig you will find a URL to a wonderful website full of
gorgeous photos of the Scottish landscape all a bit obscured, by Drascombe
Coasters.
Can't have everything but Niall's website is the best argument yet to prove
their are somethings better in life than canals.
MartinP
MartinP wrote:
> Martin E Phillips wrote:
>
> > Neill,
er Niall?
>
> >
> > I wonder if you could enlighten me as to what sort of boat a Drascombe
> > Coaster is (or is it a drinks mat)? I've been reading your sig for what
> > seems like years and have oft wondered.
>
> If you look into his sig you will find a URL to a wonderful website full of
> gorgeous photos of the Scottish landscape all a bit obscured, by Drascombe
> Coasters.
> Can't have everything, but Niall's website is the best argument yet to prove
> there are somethings better in life than canals.
Niall's website is at
http://www.btinternet.com/~niallcw/sailing
MartinP
MartinP wrote:
> Martin E Phillips wrote:
>
> > Neill,
er Niall?
>
> >
> > I wonder if you could enlighten me as to what sort of boat a Drascombe
> > Coaster is (or is it a drinks mat)? I've been reading your sig for what
> > seems like years and have oft wondered.
>
> If you look into his sig you will find a URL to a wonderful website full of
> gorgeous photos of the Scottish landscape all a bit obscured, by Drascombe
> Coasters.
> Can't have everything but Niall's website is the best argument yet to prove
> their are somethings better in life than canals.
Martin E Phillips
<m.pat...@consunet.nl> writes
>> Can't have everything but Niall's website is the best argument yet to prove
>> their are somethings better in life than canals.
>
>Niall's website is at
>
>http://www.btinternet.com/~niallcw/sailing
You're right. Splendid photos. I hadn't realised Niall's boat was a
sailing jobby. I'd imagined a small fishing boat - open deck plus
wheelhouse - sort of marine version of a pickup truck.
MartinP
Martin E Phillips wrote:
> In article <361D2C87...@consunet.nl>, MartinP
> <m.pat...@consunet.nl> writes
> >> Can't have everything but Niall's website is the best argument yet to prove
> >> their are somethings better in life than canals.
> >
> >Niall's website is at
> >
> >http://www.btinternet.com/~niallcw/sailing
>
> You're right. Splendid photos. I hadn't realised Niall's boat was a
> sailing jobby. I'd imagined a small fishing boat - open deck plus
> wheelhouse - sort of marine version of a pickup truck.
Better put your flame proof underwer on with that crack it must fit somebodies
idea of a dream boat.
You are confusing him with Captain Birdseye surely? Niall is more the Shackleton
escaping from the Antarctic icecap to south Georgia in an openboat type. :O)
The Drascombe boys are a very special breed.
MartinP
Jim Pulling wrote:
> m.pat...@consunet.nl (MartinP) recently penned ...
>
> >> If you look into his sig you will find a URL to a wonderful website full of
> >> gorgeous photos of the Scottish landscape all a bit obscured, by Drascombe
> >> Coasters.
> >> Can't have everything but Niall's website is the best argument yet to prove
> >> their are somethings better in life than canals.
> >
> >Niall's website is at
> >
> >http://www.btinternet.com/~niallcw/sailing
>
> Own up! Niall's working you with his foot isn't he?
Well better than the way a normal ventriloquist operates his dummy :O)
I was genuinely impressed months ago when I first looked at Nialls website, On
Sunday, I also saw someone in the same sort of boat bobbing up and down on the
Ijselmeer looking like he was having the time of his life, whilst my wife and I
were wondering why the hell we were out sailing on the bitterly cold very rough
sea. it was absolutely freezing a strong cold easterly, I had four layers of
clothes on and was still frozen to the bone. I once "bumped" a Drascombe lugger
in similar conditions in the first week of April, that time the guy was anchored
without any lights in Dover harbour half way between the two entrances. We dropped
anchor thinking we were the only prats moored there as the boat ran back on the
anchor chain we felt a bump. We were waiting for the tide to come in enough for us
to get into Welligton dock, he was there for the night.
Gottle of geer
Gmartin
Niall
Pulling) wrote:
>I was similarly impressed although sailing is not something I've ever had a
>yen to do - it's too much like hard work.
We started out on motor boats, but now motoring long distances seems
unnatural- sailing is not hard work in normal weather conditions (not
that there's been much normal weather this "summer"), and progress
seems effortless. It's a relief to get sail up and shut off the motor.
There is still something slightly unreal about the fact that you can
actually cover serious distances and get to specific destinations
under wind power alone.
> Anything with an engine (as long as it works) is fine by me.
There is an engine, and apart from a slight starting problem after
long periods of inactivity, it works. It is visible in the bottom left
corner of the picture taken over the stern, at which point it is
working pretty hard punching into about F5 head on in overfalls.
Niall
<Mar...@g4cio.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <361D2C87...@consunet.nl>, MartinP
><m.pat...@consunet.nl> writes
>>> Can't have everything but Niall's website is the best argument yet to prove
>>> their are somethings better in life than canals.
>>
>>Niall's website is at
>>
>>http://www.btinternet.com/~niallcw/sailing
>
>You're right. Splendid photos. I hadn't realised Niall's boat was a
>sailing jobby. I'd imagined a small fishing boat - open deck plus
>wheelhouse - sort of marine version of a pickup truck.
>
I'm blushing, guys. Thanks. Some of the photos are included for
content rather than artistic merit- I'm still trying to capture the
sense of what it's like in rough seas and wild weather but it doesn't
photograph well; look closely at the rough weather shots in the
Ardfern set to see where the bow waves are reaching!
All the rough weather shots are taken under engine as under sail in
these conditions I'm too busy hanging onto ropes etc.
The photos from the summer Clyde rally are still in the camera but
will be developed and uploaded as soon as I get around to it.
I might have a dig in the archives and see if there's anything else
worth uploading.
I have no idea why the Ardfern photos are 3 times the filesize of the
previous one as I didn't do anything different. I think the image
quality is better though.
Chris Deuchar
> Neill,
>
> I wonder if you could enlighten me as to what sort of boat a Drascombe
> Coaster is (or is it a drinks mat)? I've been reading your sig for what
> seems like years and have oft wondered.
Derek Davison at Trent Lock is a great Drascombe fan and we currently
have three different types here, including a crabber - but no coaster!
Chris D
martinP
Richard Lucas wrote:
> I thought the figures would be useful to rebut the article from the
> Washington Post quoted by George that seemed to suggest we were
> experiencing some kind of "Mad Max" crime wave.
> I am well aware that there are lies, damned lies and statistics, but
> thr figures I quoted are at least "official"and not the fevered
> rantings of a journalist with an axe to grind.
Not another mad maxeman goes beserk statistic? :O)
Niall
Deuchar) wrote:
>
>Derek Davison at Trent Lock is a great Drascombe fan and we currently
>have three different types here, including a crabber - but no coaster!
>
A Crabber isn't a Drascombe; it's made by Cornish Crabbers Ltd or some
such. (Sort of flush decked thing, vertical bow, bowsprit, gaff
rigged?)
MartinP
Jim Pulling wrote:
> I was similarly impressed although sailing is not something I've ever had a
> yen to do - it's too much like hard work. Anything with an engine (as long
> as it works) is fine by me. Mind you, I've always fancied taking a trip on
> a 3 or 4 master.
Take a trip on a sail training ship Jim.
Malcolm Nixon
wrote:
>.
>.
>.Jim Pulling wrote:
>.
>.> I was similarly impressed although sailing is not something I've ever had a
>.> yen to do - it's too much like hard work. Anything with an engine (as long
>.> as it works) is fine by me. Mind you, I've always fancied taking a trip on
>.> a 3 or 4 master.
>.
>.Take a trip on a sail training ship Jim.
>.
Oh I wish !
I almost had a trip on Malcolm Miller about 25 years ago, and
have regreted messing it up ever since.
Could still do it - but never seemed to get around to it (:-((
Sail Training association Home page
http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/parade/om92/
--
Malcolm,
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Molly
<bin.m...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>I almost had a trip on Malcolm Miller about 25 years ago, and
>have regreted messing it up ever since.
>
was the cousin of my best friend at school. His father was Sir James
Miller, who was the first man to do the double of Lord Provost of
Edinburgh and Lord Mayor of London. When Malcolm was killed in a road
accident, Sir Jim endowed the ship the Malcolm Miller in his memory.
I see it as part of keeping that memory alive to mention the boy that
was, whenever I hear the ship mentioned.
--
Molly
Malcolm Nixon
<mock...@orbs.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>.In article <361e8527...@newnews.dial.pipex.com>, Malcolm Nixon
>.<bin.m...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>.>I almost had a trip on Malcolm Miller about 25 years ago, and
>.>have regreted messing it up ever since.
>.>
>.I don't know if it's of any interest, but I knew Malcolm Miller. He
>.was the cousin of my best friend at school. His father was Sir James
>.Miller, who was the first man to do the double of Lord Provost of
>.Edinburgh and Lord Mayor of London. When Malcolm was killed in a road
>.accident, Sir Jim endowed the ship the Malcolm Miller in his memory.
>.
>.I see it as part of keeping that memory alive to mention the boy that
>.was, whenever I hear the ship mentioned.
Many thanks Molly -
Now that is the way that apparently off topic stories are IMHO of
real value here.
Many young people owe a great deal to the Sail Training
Association ( two tall ships the malcolm Miller and Winston
Churchill + more ) for giving them a introduction to sailing /
boating as a team / crew - many of these children from deprived
inner cities.
Brian L Dominic
>> I wonder if you could enlighten me as to what sort of boat a Drascombe
>> Coaster is (or is it a drinks mat)? I've been reading your sig for what
>> seems like years and have oft wondered.
>
>Derek Davison at Trent Lock is a great Drascombe fan and we currently
>have three different types here, including a crabber - but no coaster!
>
Sawley Bridge Marina used to sell 'em........ I didn't realise until I
looked at Nialls' page that you could get them in colours other than green.
Niall
Dominic) wrote:
>>
>Sawley Bridge Marina used to sell 'em........ I didn't realise until I
>looked at Nialls' page that you could get them in colours other than green.
>
>
Green's quite unusual if you mean hull colour rather than the pale
green topside moulding on most white hulls. (Not as yeuch as it
sounds, although Tangram has one alternative which is light greyish
topsides, the other choice was light brown.)
I know of a couple of green hulled Coasters and a couple of black
ones. The green Drifter on my pages is a repaint IIRC)
Mike Thomas
<nia...@btinternet.com> writes
>We started out on motor boats, but now motoring long distances seems
>unnatural- sailing is not hard work in normal weather conditions (not
>that there's been much normal weather this "summer"), and progress
>seems effortless. It's a relief to get sail up and shut off the motor.
>There is still something slightly unreal about the fact that you can
>actually cover serious distances and get to specific destinations
>under wind power alone.
>
a motor barge I count myself as a sailor at heart. I know just what
you mean Niall about that moment when you shut off the motor after
hoisting sail, and about making real passages to distant destinations
under sail alone - sail takes over from motor completely when the
distances get really big (crossing oceans), at least in the small boats
that we're likely to own.
Five sailing trips so far this year :
a week in the Canaries in January on Arethusa, 72' sail training ketch,
a weekend on Comrade, re-rigged Humber keel,
a week in SW Ireland in June on Ariel, 39' plastic yacht,
a day on Daybreak, re-rigged Humber keel,
last weekend on Ariel in the Solent.
That all begins to make up for last year when I didn't sail at all (shock
horror).
You're right Niall, sailing is not hard work under normal conditions,
and it feels much more reliable than motoring (not really an issue on
the canals but it's much more important at sea). That feeling of
reliablity helps make it much more relaxing, for me at least.
Anybody been watching "Falling for a Dancer" on Sunday evenings ?
That's where we went sailing in June.
Mike
--
Mike Thomas mi...@mbreliance.demon.co.uk
Humber Barge "Reliance" at Chiswick Pier on the Thames Tideway
MartinP
Malcolm Nixon wrote:
> On 9 Oct 1998 21:17:00 -0000, m.pat...@consunet.nl (MartinP)
> wrote:
>
> >.
> >.
> >.Jim Pulling wrote:
> >.
> >.> I was similarly impressed although sailing is not something I've ever had a
> >.> yen to do - it's too much like hard work. Anything with an engine (as long
> >.> as it works) is fine by me. Mind you, I've always fancied taking a trip on
> >.> a 3 or 4 master.
> >.
> >.Take a trip on a sail training ship Jim.
> >.
> Oh I wish !
>
> I almost had a trip on Malcolm Miller about 25 years ago, and
> have regreted messing it up ever since.
>
> Could still do it - but never seemed to get around to it (:-((
>
> Sail Training association Home page
> http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/parade/om92/
> --
I can recommend a trip on the Dutch sail training ship Eeendracht, it's open to all
ages in the winter months. They take her down to the Canaries or Med. at the end of
October and bring her back in March. You can join the trip down or back or take
one or two week trips while she is down there. It's almost run at cost price. Of
course although most of the rest of the crew are Dutch everyone speaks English.
It's a very relaxed style of training that goes on in the winter months, lots of
good food etc. She is not run in a spartan character forming style. the emphasis is
on everyone enjoying themselves, nobody is forced to go up the mast to furl unfurl
sails, it is done by volunteers. I did a trip Mallorca, Minorca Corsica Sardinia
Elba and finally to Civita Vecchia, just north of Rome, a day sight seeing in Rome
and then home. I did the trip in the week before and after Xmas starting on 23 Dec.
Martin, 2 weeks before the mast!
Nick Cooke
(Niall) wrote:
> - the
> snubbing and banging experienced with the usual short warp was
> practically eliminated as the weight of the chain keeps the warp from
> going slack.
The books on seamanship (Danton etc) recommend the use of an anchor cable
(which is a chain, incidentally) for towing one ship by another. The idea
is that the weight of the chain cable prevents its ever straightening out so
that there is always a degree of cushioning>
Nick
Chris Deuchar
> On 9 Oct 1998 09:22:54 -0000, Chris....@nottingham.ac.uk (Chris
> Deuchar) wrote:
>
> >
> >Derek Davison at Trent Lock is a great Drascombe fan and we currently
> >have three different types here, including a crabber - but no coaster!
> >
> A Crabber isn't a Drascombe; it's made by Cornish Crabbers Ltd or some
> such. (Sort of flush decked thing, vertical bow, bowsprit, gaff
> rigged?)
It has no masts or rigging ATM. I'm sure he said it was
a Drascombe...
One of the others is a Drifter BTW
Chris D
Brian L Dominic
wrote:
>On 10 Oct 1998 20:29:17 -0000, domin...@proweb.co.uk (Brian L
>Dominic) wrote:
>>
>>Sawley Bridge Marina used to sell 'em........ I didn't realise until I
>>looked at Nialls' page that you could get them in colours other than green.
>>
>>
>Green's quite unusual if you mean hull colour rather than the pale
>green topside moulding on most white hulls. (Not as yeuch as it
>sounds, although Tangram has one alternative which is light greyish
>topsides, the other choice was light brown.)
>I know of a couple of green hulled Coasters and a couple of black
>ones. The green Drifter on my pages is a repaint IIRC)
ALL the ones I remember from the 70's were green - Derrick Davison had
a showroom full of 'em.........
Malcolm Nixon
<nick....@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>.In article <361c0939...@news.btinternet.com>, nia...@btinternet.com
>.(Niall) wrote:
>.> - the
>.> snubbing and banging experienced with the usual short warp was
>.> practically eliminated as the weight of the chain keeps the warp from
>.> going slack.
>.
>.The books on seamanship (Danton etc) recommend the use of an anchor cable
>.(which is a chain, incidentally) for towing one ship by another. The idea
>.is that the weight of the chain cable prevents its ever straightening out so
>.that there is always a degree of cushioning>
>.
By the same token - best to use chain for all anchors - but of
course it's heavy and bulky to keep on a small boat. The weight
of the chain acts as a shock absorber and thus helps prevent the
anchor from dragging as well.
But personably - I've never needed to use deploy an anchor on a
canal boat - only once in anger on a river boat on the Thames -
several times on sea boats though.
Must remember to practise in a quite spot of cut !
Niall
Dominic) wrote:
>ALL the ones I remember from the 70's were green - Derrick Davison had
>a showroom full of 'em.........
>
>
Oh, right enough, the smaller open ones; Dabbers and Luggers tend to
be a sort of off-pale-bluey-green.
I was thinking of Drifters and Coasters; been on too many cruises and
not enough rallys in recent years.
Niall
Nixon) wrote:
>>.
>
>By the same token - best to use chain for all anchors - but of
>course it's heavy and bulky to keep on a small boat. The weight
>of the chain acts as a shock absorber and thus helps prevent the
>anchor from dragging as well.
>
Small boat practise is to use a length of chain between the anchor and
the rope which shortens the neccesary scope, reduces chafe on the
bottom and helps keep the anchor dug in.
We have a 15lb CQR, 10m chain and 30m rope, with an additional 30m
rope available as an extension or for a kedge warp on a 10lb CQR.
10lb is the right size for the boat but 15lb gives extra reassurance
and allows slightly shorter scopes when neccesary. We got the 15lb on
the basis that as I do most of the anchor handling, if I wanted it I
could have it!
One advantage of chain/ rope as opposed to chain is that when lying to
all chain the noise of it "grumbling" along the bottom is transmitted
up the chain into the hull and can be surprisingly noisy. Rope doesn't
do this.
Malcolm Nixon
wrote:
>.On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:35:34 GMT, bin.m...@dial.pipex.com (Malcolm
>.Nixon) wrote:
>.>By the same token - best to use chain for all anchors - but of
>.>course it's heavy and bulky to keep on a small boat.
>.>
>.Small boat practise is to use a length of chain between the anchor and
>.the rope which shortens the neccesary scope, reduces chafe on the
>.bottom and helps keep the anchor dug in.
My apologies - I omitted this point
Ros Calverley
> But personably - I've never needed to use deploy an anchor on a
> canal boat - only once in anger on a river boat on the Thames -
> several times on sea boats though.
Alvechurch hire boats all come complete with anchors; a fact I noted
with alarm the first time I hired one...I've only once thought I was
going to need it, though: in Leicester, passing that really _delightful_
weir just above Freeman's Meadow (or New) Lock. It was September and the
river wasn't particularly high, but I was three-quarters of the way
across the river (helm hard over, and at full throttle) before I gained
the safety of the lock.
Our technique involved my partner trotting along the towpath to open the
lock, while I waited in the safety of the nearest bridge-hole. On my way
along the stretch I realised that from the stern, I hadn't a prayer of
making it to the bow of the boat, and the anchor, in time, if anything
really disastrous happened.
Looking back, I now feel a little sheepish about just how alarmed I was,
but I'd never seen anything like it before.
R.
chris...@compuserve.com
> Malcolm,
>
> -spam goes in the bin
> -remove the bin to email
>
If you want to sail on the Miller or Churchill do so NOW. They offer berths
for both youngsters and those in the 25-69 age range. The STA is now finding
that the maintenance of these sailing ships - well schooners really - is ever
increasing and has commissioned the building of two brand new barquentines.
The Miller &/or Churchill may not be scrapped but their days for sail
training with the STA are numbered. See the STA web site at:
<http://www.sta.org.uk/sta/> for further info. The site also has some
excellent reports of voyages on the schooners.
Chris Brady
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