coating Fibre Glass Flooring?
George Pearson
- george
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:34:10 +0100
From: "Wooley, June" <June....@college.cwplc.com>
To: "'geo...@adiva.com'" <geo...@adiva.com>
Subject: Fibre Glass Flooring
We are looking for advice on how to clean up and repaint (using the
correct material) the floor in our Narrowboat Shower Room. The Room
has the sink and Toilet in it as well as the Shower. No Shower Tray -
the water just drains away out of the boat across the floor.
The problem is that the Fibre Glass is not smooth - the lumpy Fibre
Glass strands can be seen (though not exposed) through the coating that
is on it. We feel it should have a coat of something and would be
grateful if you could advise what we should put on it? Or maybe you
could point us in the direction we should go to find out the answer to
this question?
Many thanks
June Wooley
Ex. 8613
martinp
First don't make the floor too smooth, you might slip, but you can solve
this using non-slip marine paint.
You should
a) clean the floor to remove any grease etc.
b) make sure the floor is completely dry.
c) apply 5 or 6 coats of epoxy resin, the stuff that International sell for
preventing osmosis would be suitable Gelseal (name changed once, so I am not
sure if this is the current name) or West System epoxy www.wessex-resins.com
d) apply two coats of International non-slip paint.
Both West System and the International paints system need a temperature
above 16 DegC, a new coat can be put on as soon as the last one is dry,
after about 5 or 6 hours at this time of year. Ventilate your boat well,
wear gloves and follow the manufacturer's instructions exactly. As
recommended, use a roller, you get a more even finish. You should use a
roller made of the material recommended by the manufacturer, they are
usually sold by the shop that sells the epoxy. Don't try to use the rollers
more than once. Do mix the components in the proportions specified, using
two hypodermics. If you keep the hypodermics apart and stored in sealed
polythene bags, these can be used over and over again. Don't mix too much
epoxy at a time, it's expensive stuff, better to make two batches than to
throw a lot away.
The same procedure and materials can be used for sealing wood.
An alternative is to put on several coats of epoxy and then stick non slip
tiles to the floor.
Martin
Kenny Danielson
whatever he suggests which will probably be a two part resin coloured to
your preference.
Kenny Danielson, Lake Tahoe
Email: <ken...@worldnet.att.net>
Website: http://home.att.net/~kendan/
George Pearson <geo...@adiva.com> wrote in message
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> Anybody have any advice for June?
>
> - george
>
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> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:34:10 +0100
> From: "Wooley, June" <June....@college.cwplc.com>
> To: "'geo...@adiva.com'" <geo...@adiva.com>
> Subject: Fibre Glass Flooring
>
> We are looking for advice on how to clean up and repaint (using the
> correct material) the floor in our Narrowboat Shower Room. The Room
> has the sink and Toilet in it as well as the Shower. No Shower Tray -
> the water just drains away out of the boat across the floor.
>
> The problem is that the Fibre Glass is not smooth - the lumpy Fibre
> Glass strands can be seen (though not exposed) through the coating that
> is on it. We feel it should have a coat of something and would be
> grateful if you could advise what we should put on it? Or maybe you
> could point us in the direction we should go to find out the answer to
> this question?
martinp
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny Danielson <ken...@worldnet.att.net>
To: <can...@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 01:29
Subject: Re: coating Fibre Glass Flooring?
> Sure, go to your favorite chandler, describe the problem, and then use
> whatever he suggests which will probably be a two part resin coloured to
> your preference.
BUT if possible buy it in somewhere like Halfords for less than half the
price
Niall
wrote:
...which is still twice what you will pay at a GRP supplier (look in
Yellow Pages)- they also supply it in decent quantities along with
disposible brushes,gloves and all the other paraphenalia you might
need.
--
Niall
Drascombe Coaster - Tangram
http://www.btinternet.com/~niallcw/sailing
"Ye see that thing thats goin' roon an' roon?
Well it's supposed to be goin' up and doon!"- Dan MacPhail
martinp
> >BUT if possible buy it in somewhere like Halfords for less than half the
> >price
>
> ...which is still twice what you will pay at a GRP supplier (look in
> Yellow Pages)- they also supply it in decent quantities along with
> disposible brushes,gloves and all the other paraphenalia you might
> need.
Good advice!!! Don't you have to buy it in rather large quantities?
Michael Houlston
> To: <can...@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 01:29
> Subject: Re: coating Fibre Glass Flooring?
>
>
> > Sure, go to your favorite chandler, describe the problem, and then use
> > whatever he suggests which will probably be a two part resin coloured to
> > your preference.
> price
>
Eventually got a refund on the cost due to the instructions on the box being
different to the instructions on the contents.
Naturally the box was in BIG letters while the contents needed a magnifying
glass.
Having seen how resin can 'burn' if you get the mix wrong I'm glad I was not
using it inside the boat at the time.
Never seen any 'colour' except clear or white at a lot of small outlets.
Mike
--
Mike Houlston. Wilderness Beaver "KESTON"
Canals are more fun than working !!
mhou...@argonet.co.uk
Niall
wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Niall <nia...@btinternet.com>
>
>> >BUT if possible buy it in somewhere like Halfords for less than half the
>> >price
>>
>> ...which is still twice what you will pay at a GRP supplier (look in
>> Yellow Pages)- they also supply it in decent quantities along with
>> disposible brushes,gloves and all the other paraphenalia you might
>> need.
>Good advice!!! Don't you have to buy it in rather large quantities?
Not round here. My last lot came from a company called Allscot in
Glasgow, it's 1 litre of resin in a plastic bottle with a suitable
quantity of catalyst. I think that's about the minimum quantity.
Don't have the pricelist to hand but IIRC that litre cost about the
same as a small tin in Halfords or the like.
martinp
Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 02:00
Subject: Re: coating Fibre Glass Flooring?
> On Sun, 23 May 1999 09:39:28 +0200, "martinp" <m.pat...@consunet.nl>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Niall <nia...@btinternet.com>
> >
> >> >BUT if possible buy it in somewhere like Halfords for less than half
the
> >> >price
> >>
> >> ...which is still twice what you will pay at a GRP supplier (look in
> >> Yellow Pages)- they also supply it in decent quantities along with
> >> disposible brushes,gloves and all the other paraphenalia you might
> >> need.
> >Good advice!!! Don't you have to buy it in rather large quantities?
>
> Not round here. My last lot came from a company called Allscot in
> Glasgow, it's 1 litre of resin in a plastic bottle with a suitable
> quantity of catalyst. I think that's about the minimum quantity.
> Don't have the pricelist to hand but IIRC that litre cost about the
> same as a small tin in Halfords or the like.
Last week my wife bought a 0.25 litre bottle of International epoxy to
repair something, it cost almost half the price of a complete 1 litre kit of
West or SP epoxy resin. Maybe we shouldn't confuse epoxy with polyester
resin, I think polyester is cheaper? One shouldn't buy much more than one
needs as it doesn't last forever sitting on a shelf.
martinp
> Last lot I got from Halfords went off very quickly.
> Eventually got a refund on the cost due to the instructions on the box
being
> different to the instructions on the contents.
> Naturally the box was in BIG letters while the contents needed a
magnifying
> glass.
> Having seen how resin can 'burn' if you get the mix wrong I'm glad I was
not
> using it inside the boat at the time.
If you follow the instructions carefully this is not a problem. I preferred
SP epoxy because the instructions were good and they sold all the stuff,
like hypodermics and rollers.
My local chandlers has stopped selling Sikaflex products, because he claims
the shelf life is less than one season and Sikaflex refuses to take back
unsold sold stock.
Oddly I have a tube of Sikaflex sealant, which I bought from him some years
ago, which has hardly been kept in ideal conditions, which is till o.k.
Kenny Danielson
agent is 5 bucks per tube. At those prices you may not mind the shipping
costs.
Kenny Danielson, Lake Tahoe
Email: <ken...@worldnet.att.net>
Website: http://home.att.net/~kendan/
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Niall <nia...@btinternet.com>
> To: <can...@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 02:00
> Subject: Re: coating Fibre Glass Flooring?
>
>
> > On Sun, 23 May 1999 09:39:28 +0200, "martinp" <m.pat...@consunet.nl>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
martinp
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From: Kenny Danielson <ken...@worldnet.att.net>
To: <can...@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: coating Fibre Glass Flooring?
> West Marine has gelcoat for 11 bucks per pint or 17 per quart. Colouring
> agent is 5 bucks per tube. At those prices you may not mind the shipping
> costs.
Not much good to us in Europe though? :-) I am not sure if you can ship
stuff like that by air, I had anti-fouling confiscated at Heathrow once, I
eventually got some one in UK with a car to retrieve the anti-fouling and
bring it over by ferry
We can get Blacksheep for a bit over a dollar a pint though :-)
martinp
From: Billyboy <bill...@gto.net.om>
To: <can...@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: coating Fibre Glass Flooring?
> On Mon, 24 May 1999 21:53:59 -0700, "Kenny Danielson"
> <ken...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > West Marine has gelcoat for 11 bucks per pint or 17 per quart.
Colouring
> > agent is 5 bucks per tube. At those prices you may not mind the
shipping
> > costs.
>
> AND you get an 0800 'phone call to them from UK!
and you still have t o pay shipping cost and 20.5% tax. I know I have
bought from West Marine. It's only worth doing for light expensive things. I
bought my Garmin GPS 12 XL from them two years ago and saved lots,but only
because they were so over priced in Europe.
M
" in the given up sidings, the poppies enlacere with stocks car,
being located in waiting, the next time " Roger Toilets, 1982
Alta Vista 1999
Padraig Breathnach
>
> How to avoid the tax. Get West Marine to ship to a friend in the
> USA. Get the friend to reship it to you in UK (or Holland if
> that is where U B) as a gift.
>
This is evasion (illegal) rather than avoidance (legal). How is H.M.'s
government to pay its way?
PB
martinp
Subject: Re: West Marine was Re: coating Fibre Glass Flooring?
> On Tue, 25 May 1999 14:00:23 +0200, "martinp "
> <m.pat...@consunet.nl> wrote:
>
> > and you still have t o pay shipping cost and 20.5% tax.
>
> How to avoid the tax. Get West Marine to ship to a friend in the
> USA. Get the friend to reship it to you in UK (or Holland if
> that is where U B) as a gift.
Not quite so easy there is a limit on the value of what counts as a gift,
but it would at least cut down on the postal charge, West use Federal
Express. Credit card companies *normally* expect stuff to be sent to the
card holders address.
Judy and Stan will now be inundated with "gifts".
Say thanks Bill Judy!
M.
David Long
Breathnach <padr...@iol.ie> writes
>Billyboy wrote:
>>
>> How to avoid the tax. Get West Marine to ship to a friend in the
>> USA. Get the friend to reship it to you in UK (or Holland if
>> that is where U B) as a gift.
>>
>government to pay its way?
>
always uproot all the old British post-boxes and pillar boxes they
inherited and painted green post-1922, and flog them off.
On my recent visit to beautiful Killarney, I was struck by this wasted
asset - repaint them red and sell them off over here, or keep them green
for the American ancestor-worship market.
--
David Long
Sankey Canal Restoration Society
http://www.scars.demon.co.uk/scars/
martinp
> This is evasion (illegal) rather than avoidance (legal). How is H.M.'s
> government to pay its way?
Us in Holland don't give a toss, it's why we moved here :-)
Brian J Goggin
<Da...@scars.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
>Well, if ever the Irish Govt. finds itself strapped for cash, they could
>always uproot all the old British post-boxes and pillar boxes they
>inherited and painted green post-1922, and flog them off.
Our government is never strapped for cash. The other European nations
love us so much that they give us large amounts of money.
By the way, if you happen to have your chequebook handy .... We'd like
£60m at the moment to restore the Ulster Canal.
>On my recent visit to beautiful Killarney, I was struck by this wasted
>asset - repaint them red and sell them off over here, or keep them green
>for the American ancestor-worship market.
What's wasted about them? They're still in use, as postboxes, in the
places for which they were intended. The needs they were designed to
meet haven't changed all that much, so why bother installing new gear?
Conservation, that is. Respect for old technology. You wouldn't go
replacing old canal furniture just because plastic equivalents could
now be made, would you?
Anyway, they were invented by an official of the Irish post office,
one Anthony Trollope.
bjg
Glen Peckett
wrote:
<Snip>
>> How to avoid the tax. Get West Marine to ship to a friend in the
>> USA. Get the friend to reship it to you in UK (or Holland if
>> that is where U B) as a gift.
>Not quite so easy there is a limit on the value of what counts as a gift,
Indeed - GBP18 or GBP36 (actually something in ECUs according to C &
E) depending on circumstances.
>but it would at least cut down on the postal charge, West use Federal
>Express. Credit card companies *normally* expect stuff to be sent to the
>card holders address.
>Judy and Stan will now be inundated with "gifts".
I suspect Customs & Excise might wonder at Stan and Judy sending all
their "friends" marine equipment as presents when they get back to the
US!
Glen Peckett
N.B. Badger (and crusier Arcturus :-( )
can...@nbbadger.freeserve.co.uk
David Long
<b...@wordwrights.ie> writes
>On Wed, 26 May 1999 07:22:57 +0100, David Long
><Da...@scars.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Well, if ever the Irish Govt. finds itself strapped for cash, they could
>>always uproot all the old British post-boxes and pillar boxes they
>>inherited and painted green post-1922, and flog them off.
>
>Our government is never strapped for cash. The other European nations
>love us so much that they give us large amounts of money.
"Private affluence and public squalor" - I saw all the lovely new homes
being built on the Dingle etc... and then read of Dublin Fire Brigade
having to buy our scrap fire engines... and we bounced along some pretty
awful roads.
Perhaps you should ask your Govt. how they square that with buying a
fast patrol boat for the Gardai to zip around "policing" the Lower
Shannon - which you were complaining about in the IWAI's current
magazine.
>
>
>>On my recent visit to beautiful Killarney, I was struck by this wasted
>>asset - repaint them red and sell them off over here, or keep them green
>>for the American ancestor-worship market.
>
>What's wasted about them? They're still in use, as postboxes, in the
>places for which they were intended. The needs they were designed to
>meet haven't changed all that much, so why bother installing new gear?
>Conservation, that is. Respect for old technology. You wouldn't go
>replacing old canal furniture just because plastic equivalents could
>now be made, would you?
Is Irish Republicanism only as deep as the layers of green paint over
the royal insignia cast into the boxes the Empire left behind? What
price the true revolution?
I can see the argument in 1922 - but I'd have thought you could kill two
birds with one stone by selling the old boxes off: ridding yourself of a
perpetual reminder of the occupation, and making enough money to more
than cover the cost of nice new green boxes which can be erected where
the people live now.
>
>Anyway, they were invented by an official of the Irish post office,
>one Anthony Trollope.
>
Surely you mean the Post Office in Ireland? ;->
martinp
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Peckett <can...@nbbadger.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <can...@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 22:50
Subject: Re: West Marine was Re: coating Fibre Glass Flooring?
I asked to West to send my GPS to my work address as GPS Test equipment,
they sent it as "boat parts", guess what? A customs officer phoned me asking
if we were building boats as well as our normal products.
Brian J Goggin
<Da...@scars.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
>"Private affluence and public squalor" - I saw all the lovely new homes
>being built on the Dingle etc... and then read of Dublin Fire Brigade
>having to buy our scrap fire engines... and we bounced along some pretty
>awful roads.
Indeed. The number of cars and the number and weight of trucks have
both increased dramatically in recent years; investment in minor roads
has not kept pace. Furthermore, the population of the west of Ireland
is widely dispersed, making it difficult to justify major investment
in minor roads. But it is possible to argue that the state is not
obliged to provide public facilities just because individual citizens
decide to buy new cars --- or because tourists decide to visit a
particular area.
As for "scrap fire engines", like old pillar-boxes, I've nothing
against them as long as they work. Why waste money on fancy new gear
if the old stuff works well? You might be better to criticise the
policy that scraps old machinery when it still has life in it.
>Perhaps you should ask your Govt. how they square that with buying a
>fast patrol boat for the Gardai to zip around "policing" the Lower
>Shannon - which you were complaining about in the IWAI's current
>magazine.
"Complaining"? Moi? Far be it from me to express an opinion on the
matter .... I just asked some questions.
Governments are entitled to choose how they allocate resources. I
don't agree with that particular decision, but I don't deny the
government's right to make it.
[...]
>Is Irish Republicanism only as deep as the layers of green paint over
>the royal insignia cast into the boxes the Empire left behind? What
>price the true revolution?
Much depends on what you mean by "Irish Republicanism" and "true
revolution". But we don't need to forget the past: *we* have come to
terms with it. We value old artefacts: canals, fire engines,
postboxes. And we don't like to waste money.
I realise, of course, that there are those who, having scrapped their
own, would like (or need) to buy some heritage by the yard. Such
people might buy old postboxes --- and would probably use them to
decorate theme pubs.
>I can see the argument in 1922 - but I'd have thought you could kill two
>birds with one stone by selling the old boxes off: ridding yourself of a
>perpetual reminder of the occupation, and making enough money to more
>than cover the cost of nice new green boxes which can be erected where
>the people live now.
If you had been to Dublin, you might have seen some new green
postboxes.
But again, you seem to echo the ironic words of Peadar Kearney:
"Now Irishmen, forget the past,
Whack fol the diddle fol the die doh day,
And think on the day that is coming fast,
Whack fol the diddle fol the die doh day,
When we shall all be civilised,
Neat and clean and well-advised.
Oh won't Mother England be surprised!
Whack fol the diddle fol the die doh day."
And we like to have reminders of the neighbours' visits.
>>Anyway, they were invented by an official of the Irish post office,
>>one Anthony Trollope.
>>
>Surely you mean the Post Office in Ireland? ;->
We try not to keep on reminding our neighbours that most of the
significant inventors and leaders of the last thousand years or so
were either Irish or Scottish.
This is getting rather far off topic. Would you care to continue by
email?
bjg