FAO Online moorers (response to thread above)
circusjim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooring_(watercraft)
http://boatingsailing.suite101.com/article.cfm/mooring_to_floats_and_piers
http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-spring-line-boat-mooring/
Now hush up n stop whinging about those travelling within the speed limits.
krystyna@googlemail.com Mike & Krystyna Wooding
Not if they pass me at 4mph, it's only polite, and safe, to pass moored
craft anywhere at 2mph or less
Mike
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Martin Nicholas
> circusjim wrote:
>> Here's a sample of google suggestions. Go. Read.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooring_(watercraft)
>>
>>
http://boatingsailing.suite101.com/article.cfm/mooring_to_floats_and_piers
>>
>> http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-spring-line-boat-mooring/
>>
>> Now hush up n stop whinging about those travelling within the speed
>> limits.
>
> Not if they pass me at 4mph, it's only polite, and safe, to pass moored
> craft anywhere at 2mph or less
>
> Mike
>
The links all refer to sea-going boats. Sea-going boats have stoves mounted
on gimbles, fiddle rails, etc, etc. There is no problem with bank erosion
at sea, at least from ships/boats.
The BW licence conditions state you should slow down when passing moored
craft.
It's a common courtesy to slow when passing moored boats - In a similar way
to holding a door open for the person following behind. To persue the
analogy further; how a long would the corridor have to be for you to
conclude: "There are too many doors in this corridor to hold them all open,
it'll slow me down too much."
I'm always appreciative of true gentlefolk, such as the Woodings, who slow
down sufficiently that I'm not physically disturbed by their passing boat.
It's rare that a commercial craft, a boat which can be said to have an
excuse to speed, fails to slow down when passing. If they can do it, then
why can't so-called "pleasure" boaters?
After all:
"If you're in a hurry, don't go by boat.",
"If you need to hurry, you're going too far.",
"If you're bored with the waterway, move your mooring."
Steve
> Mike & Krystyna Wooding wrote:
>
>> circusjim wrote:
>>> Here's a sample of google suggestions. Go. Read.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooring_(watercraft)
>>>
>>>
> http://boatingsailing.suite101.com/article.cfm/mooring_to_floats_and_piers
>>> http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-spring-line-boat-mooring/
>>>
>>> Now hush up n stop whinging about those travelling within the speed
>>> limits.
>> Not if they pass me at 4mph, it's only polite, and safe, to pass moored
>> craft anywhere at 2mph or less
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> The links all refer to sea-going boats. Sea-going boats have stoves mounted
> on gimbles, fiddle rails, etc, etc. There is no problem with bank erosion
> at sea, at least from ships/boats.
>
> The BW licence conditions state you should slow down when passing moored
> craft.
>
> It's a common courtesy to slow when passing moored boats - In a similar way
> to holding a door open for the person following behind. To persue the
> analogy further; how a long would the corridor have to be for you to
> conclude: "There are too many doors in this corridor to hold them all open,
> it'll slow me down too much."
But there is a limit to how long you'll hold a single door open for a
queue of people. Some of the moorings on the Shroppie, especially on the
section down towards Chester, are frankly ridiculous.
>
> I'm always appreciative of true gentlefolk, such as the Woodings, who slow
> down sufficiently that I'm not physically disturbed by their passing boat.
>
> It's rare that a commercial craft, a boat which can be said to have an
> excuse to speed, fails to slow down when passing. If they can do it, then
> why can't so-called "pleasure" boaters?
>
Oddly enough my experiences tend to be the opposite and that a lot of
people in "working" boats do not slow down at all and if you do try to
say anything you get the "We're working boats, stuff you" sort of reply.
Steve
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Roger Murray
> Mike & Krystyna Wooding wrote:
>
> > circusjim wrote:
> >> Here's a sample of google suggestions. Go. Read.
>
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooring_(watercraft)
>
At the end of the day you are on a boat and boats rock. If you moor
securely, what does it matter if the boat moves a bit as long as the
mooring is secure. I really do believe that too many boaters wish to
replicate the exact conditions afloat as they do on dry land. If you
don't like the boat moving about, get a caravan!
Roger.
David Long
<53cd495b-32ef-4f81...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>,
Roger Murray <roger....@virgin.net> writes
>
>At the end of the day you are on a boat and boats rock. If you moor
>securely, what does it matter if the boat moves a bit as long as the
>mooring is secure. I really do believe that too many boaters wish to
>replicate the exact conditions afloat as they do on dry land. If you
>don't like the boat moving about, get a caravan!
>Roger.
Well said....! They should try telling a French peniche master not to
rock their boat!
--
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circusjim
> Mike & Krystyna Wooding wrote:
>
>> circusjim wrote:
>>> Here's a sample of google suggestions. Go. Read.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooring_(watercraft)
>>>
>>>
> http://boatingsailing.suite101.com/article.cfm/mooring_to_floats_and_piers
>>> http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-spring-line-boat-mooring/
>>>
>>> Now hush up n stop whinging about those travelling within the speed
>>> limits.
>> Not if they pass me at 4mph, it's only polite, and safe, to pass moored
>> craft anywhere at 2mph or less
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> The links all refer to sea-going boats. Sea-going boats have stoves mounted
> on gimbles, fiddle rails, etc, etc. There is no problem with bank erosion
> at sea, at least from ships/boats.
>
inland environment. speeding so as to cause erosion is a different issue.
Brian on Harnser
> Martin Nicholas wrote:
>>
> spring lines stop the boat moving when moored whether in a marine or inland
> environment. speeding so as to cause erosion is a different issue.
Springs only stop the boat surging back and forth. For that they are
very good.
They do not stop the bottom of the boat being drawn away from the bank
causing the boat to rock violently from side to side if a boat speeds
by and draws the water away. We are on a 4 foot deep canal not in the
blue deep sea
--
Brian traveling on Harnser
http://nbharnser.blogspot.com/
krystyna@googlemail.com Mike & Krystyna Wooding
> circusjim formulated the question :
>> Martin Nicholas wrote:
>
>>>
>
>> spring lines stop the boat moving when moored whether in a marine or
>> inland environment. speeding so as to cause erosion is a different
>> issue.
>
> Springs only stop the boat surging back and forth. For that they are
> very good.
> They do not stop the bottom of the boat being drawn away from the bank
> causing the boat to rock violently from side to side if a boat speeds
> by and draws the water away. We are on a 4 foot deep canal not in the
> blue deep sea
Where's this 4 foot deep canal Brian? - I'm on my way :->
Nick
> Brian on Harnser wrote:
>> circusjim formulated the question :
>>> Martin Nicholas wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>> spring lines stop the boat moving when moored whether in a marine or
>>> inland environment. speeding so as to cause erosion is a different
>>> issue.
>>
>> Springs only stop the boat surging back and forth. For that they are
>> very good.
>> They do not stop the bottom of the boat being drawn away from the bank
>> causing the boat to rock violently from side to side if a boat speeds
>> by and draws the water away. We are on a 4 foot deep canal not in the
>> blue deep sea
>
> Where's this 4 foot deep canal Brian? - I'm on my way :->
I've twice fallen in the L&L. In both times I remained vaguely vertical
and the water closed over my head. I'm over 6ft.
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krystyna@googlemail.com Mike & Krystyna Wooding
> "Mike & Krystyna Wooding" <mikeand krys...@googlemail.com> writes:
>
>> Brian on Harnser wrote:
>>> circusjim formulated the question :
>>>> Martin Nicholas wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> spring lines stop the boat moving when moored whether in a marine
>>>> or inland environment. speeding so as to cause erosion is a
>>>> different issue.
>>>
>>> Springs only stop the boat surging back and forth. For that they are
>>> very good.
>>> They do not stop the bottom of the boat being drawn away from the
>>> bank causing the boat to rock violently from side to side if a boat
>>> speeds by and draws the water away. We are on a 4 foot deep canal
>>> not in the blue deep sea
>>
>> Where's this 4 foot deep canal Brian? - I'm on my way :->
>
> I've twice fallen in the L&L. In both times I remained vaguely
> vertical and the water closed over my head. I'm over 6ft.
Ah, unfortunately, much of the L&L is not available to us in Draco, we're
71foot.
back to the boats
On the Llangolen I have seen all the water drawn from under a moored
boat by a trad hurry up merchant causing the moored boat to tip
alarmingly. If anybody was cooking or using a kettle the damage would
be bad. I always used springs on Merlin as she weighed 38 ton and
would pull out mooring pins with any surge.
Tiny
>
> - Show quoted text -
Anyone tried these new screw-in pins yet. Not that they will stop the
rocking as has been said but if they work then at least the speed
plonkers won't pull your pins out - springs or not.
Brian J Goggin
krys...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>Nick wrote:
[...]
>> I've twice fallen in the L&L. In both times I remained vaguely
>> vertical and the water closed over my head. I'm over 6ft.
>
>Ah, unfortunately, much of the L&L is not available to us in Draco, we're
>71foot.
Perhaps if you tried boating horizontally instead of vertically ...?
bjg
Brian on Harnser
> Brian on Harnser wrote:
>> circusjim formulated the question :
>>> Martin Nicholas wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>> spring lines stop the boat moving when moored whether in a marine or
>>> inland environment. speeding so as to cause erosion is a different
>>> issue.
>>
>> Springs only stop the boat surging back and forth. For that they are
>> very good.
>> They do not stop the bottom of the boat being drawn away from the bank
>> causing the boat to rock violently from side to side if a boat speeds
>> by and draws the water away. We are on a 4 foot deep canal not in the
>> blue deep sea
>
> Where's this 4 foot deep canal Brian? - I'm on my way :->
>
> Mike
I was being generous, our mooring is about 30" when we leave and 24"
when we get back, we draw 28"
Julian Tether
<mikeand@krystyna.?.com.invalid> writes
>Not if they pass me at 4mph, it's only polite, and safe, to pass moored
>craft anywhere at 2mph or less
--
Julian Tether
Barge Parglena
e-mail: jul...@parglena.co.uk
Ian McCarthy
I've always slowed down for moored boats because I too am a pleasure
boater. Being a historic craft we draw well over 3ft, the number of
times we get complaints is ridiculous, the main cause being that the
moored boats are moored in shallow water, we are digging our way along
the channel, because every one goes slow so it does not maintain its
depth, and they are moored with just about 0 inches underneath them
selves. The displaced water has to go somewhere, so there boat moves.
They should get they marina to dredge their moorings.
The linear moorings on the Shroppie are a nightmare, the boats are
mooring in shallow water, and they go on and on and on. The one that has
appeared near Shebdon being the worse in my book, it use to be a nice
fast piece of cut 20yrs ago, now it takes for ever, we send a runner on
to get the beer in, these days.
In days of yor we use to moor on the Bridgewater when the coal boats
where still running to Patricroft power station. Two inch line was the
order of the day, to ensure your boat did not get ripped off its
moorings, because the working boats did not slack off at all, they where
going quite slow say 2mls per hr, (if you got behind them you soon
caught them up) but 60 tons of water is a lot of water to move, even on
a deep mooring, and when its three boats at a go, it really does throw
one around.
--
cheers Ian Mac
Nicholas D. Richards
<parg...@btopenworld.com> on Sun, 1 Nov 2009 at 18:12:10 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>In message <7l0rimF...@mid.individual.net>, Mike & Krystyna Wooding
><mikeand@krystyna.?.com.invalid> writes
>>Not if they pass me at 4mph, it's only polite, and safe, to pass moored
>>craft anywhere at 2mph or less
>I'm not slowing down to that when on the Thames:-)
>
Aye, Aye, the Julian Clarkeson of the Thames
;-)
--
Nicholas David Richards -
"O� sont les neiges d'antan?"
David Long
McCarthy <idm.plusnetng@cronkshawFULLSTOPnospanDOTcom.?.invalid> writes
>
>In days of yor we use to moor on the Bridgewater when the coal boats
>where still running to Patricroft power station. Two inch line was the
>order of the day, to ensure your boat did not get ripped off its
>moorings, because the working boats did not slack off at all, they
>where going quite slow say 2mls per hr, (if you got behind them you
>soon caught them up) but 60 tons of water is a lot of water to move,
>even on a deep mooring, and when its three boats at a go, it really
>does throw one around.
>--
Try 400 tonnes on French canals.... I have 2" lines, and worry not about
whatever steams by.
krystyna@googlemail.com Mike & Krystyna Wooding
You been on the Whiskey again?
Mike :->
krystyna@googlemail.com Mike & Krystyna Wooding
> In message <7l0rimF...@mid.individual.net>, Mike & Krystyna
> Wooding <mikeand@krystyna.?.com.invalid> writes
>>Not if they pass me at 4mph, it's only polite, and safe, to pass
>>moored craft anywhere at 2mph or less
> I'm not slowing down to that when on the Thames:-)
I wouldn't expect it - you would be the only one after all if you did :->
Not that it made much difference to me in Draco, I still only travelled at
3mph, too much to see to go racing along.
Adrian Stott
<reply...@mgn.org.uk> wrote:
>"If you're in a hurry, don't go by boat.",
Unless you are in a hurry *to* move the boat
>"If you need to hurry, you're going too far.",
Unless circumstances have arisen that mean you have to get the boat to
a certain place by a certain time.
Waterways are meant for boats to move along, not as linear boat
parking lots. If you moor on-line, you should accept that it is the
interest of moving boats, not yours, that has priority.
You also should choose an appropriate mooring. Mine is on-line, but
it's deep. Boats often pass me at surprisingly high speeds, but they
don't discomfort me, as my barge never grounds here.
And, of course, you should always use spring lines. Mine mean that
the barge moves only slightly fore-and-aft when a boat passes, causing
me no problems.
If you feel the need to shout "slow down" at a boat passing your
mooring (except when the passing boat is destroying the banks with its
breaking wash), then you've chosen the wrong mooring, you haven't tied
up properly, or both.
Adrian
Adrian Stott
adr...@unspam.ca
Neil Arlidge
> If you feel the need to shout "slow down" at a boat passing your
> mooring (except when the passing boat is destroying the banks with its
> breaking wash), then you've chosen the wrong mooring, you haven't tied
> up properly, or both.
>
> Adrian
Perhaps they chose the wrong boat?
--
Neil Arlidge
NB Earnest - soon to return to narrowboatworld?
TNC http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/tour.html
Nicholas D. Richards
<adr...@spam.com> on Tue, 3 Nov 2009 at 09:46:46 awoke Nicholas from
his slumbers and wrote
Another Adrian Clarkson. Sounds like you have not had much experience
of narrow canals. In-line mooring, over-night, on soft tow paths, while
touring is often the only option.
I have been on one of a dozen boats unzipped from their moorings by a
'working boat' steered by a lady done up to the nines and moving at
about 4 knots. Her head was held high and looking full ahead. Partner
at the bow of the boat was dressed in cod 30's working cloths, complete
with cloth cap. Neither of them showed any interest in the chaos behind
them. I doubt if that 'working boat' had seen any work in the last 30
years. I have never had a problem with a passing BW work boat.
Slowing down for moored boats is amongst other things a politeness.
Nicholas D. Richards
<ne...@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> on Tue, 3 Nov 2009 at 10:39:34 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>> If you feel the need to shout "slow down" at a boat passing your
>> mooring (except when the passing boat is destroying the banks with its
>> breaking wash), then you've chosen the wrong mooring, you haven't tied
>> up properly, or both.
>>
>> Adrian
>
>Perhaps they chose the wrong boat?
I am beginning to wonder whether I should borrow one of the turrets from
HMS Belfast. Facing one of those tracking him down the cut might cause
him to have a fit of politeness? Mind you it might also do a bit of
damage to the banks, so maybe not.
Julian
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nich...@salmiron.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2h14DXAL...@salmiron.co.uk...
You'd probably miss, the guns on Belfast are worn out, caused by shelling
France for days on end prior to the invasion. It must have been tremendous
fun shelling France!
Julian.
Tiny
> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicho...@salmiron.demon.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:2h14DXAL...@salmiron.co.uk...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <NNKdncicQ5z0lW3XnZ2dnUVZ7sCdn...@giganews.com>, Neil Arlidge
> > <ne...@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> on Tue, 3 Nov 2009 at 10:39:34 awoke
> > Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
> >>Adrian Stott wrote:
> >>> If you feel the need to shout "slow down" at a boat passing your
> >>> mooring (except when the passing boat is destroying the banks with its
> >>> breaking wash), then you've chosen the wrong mooring, you haven't tied
> >>> up properly, or both.
>
> >>> Adrian
>
> >>Perhaps they chose the wrong boat?
>
> > I am beginning to wonder whether I should borrow one of the turrets from
> > HMS Belfast. Facing one of those tracking him down the cut might cause
> > him to have a fit of politeness? Mind you it might also do a bit of
> > damage to the banks, so maybe not.
>
> You'd probably miss, the guns on Belfast are worn out, caused by shelling
> France for days on end prior to the invasion. It must have been tremendous
> fun shelling France!
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Is it more fun to shell frogs - or to shell peas. There's only one way
to find out.
As to damaging banks with a breaking wash it is difficult not to make
waves in some places like that bit of the Shroppie twix the secret
bunker and Coole Pilate. And, with the new marina nearby there will be
plenty more waves along there soon!
krystyna@googlemail.com Mike & Krystyna Wooding
Se comporter!