Wainright walks series bbc4
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Philip Powell
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>Does anyone know if the series have been posted on any newsgroups
>
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Phil Cook
>Does anyone know if the series have been posted on any newsgroups
There has been discussion on here of each one as it was first
broadcast.
Digital TV being such a repeat-fest they will inevitably be broadcast
again, and again. Keep a lookout in Radio Times or some other listings
guide or do what I did and get a PVR which will search the EPG to make
recordings.
I've just done a search on the BBC's online listings at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/whatson/search/grid.cgi?MEDIUM=tv
and found this:
BBC tv Wainwright's Walks Sat 24 Mar, 19:00 - 19:30
BBC Four
1/4. Haystacks: Julia Bradbury explores the work of Britain's most
famous fell-walker, Alfred Wainwright. She visits Wainwright's
favourite fell, Haystacks. [S]
BBC tv Wainwright's Walks Sun 25 Mar, 00:15 - 00:45
BBC Four
1/4. Haystacks: Julia Bradbury explores the work of Britain's most
famous fell-walker, Alfred Wainwright. She visits Wainwright's
favourite fell, Haystacks. [S]
BBC tv Wainwright's Walks Sun 25 Mar, 19:00 - 19:30
BBC Four
2/4. Blencathra: Julia Bradbury continues exploring the life and work
of Britain's most famous fell-walker Alfred Wainwright, setting off to
tackle her first mountain, Blencathra. [S]
BBC tv Wainwright's Walks Sun 25 Mar, 23:30 - 00:00
BBC Four
2/4. Blencathra: Julia Bradbury continues exploring the life and work
of Britain's most famous fell-walker Alfred Wainwright, setting off to
tackle her first mountain, Blencathra. [S]
BBC tv Wainwright's Walks Mon 26 Mar, 19:00 - 19:30
BBC Four
3/4. Castle Crag: Julia Bradbury explores the work of Britain's most
famous fell-walker, Alfred Wainwright. Julia visits Britain's wettest
vale, the Borrowdale Valley, to climb Castle Crag. [S]
BBC tv Wainwright's Walks Mon 26 Mar, 23:45 - 00:15
BBC Four
3/4. Castle Crag: Julia Bradbury explores the work of Britain's most
famous fell-walker, Alfred Wainwright. Julia visits Britain's wettest
vale, the Borrowdale Valley, to climb Castle Crag. [S]
BBC tv Wainwright Walks Tue 27 Mar, 19:01 - 19:30
BBC Four
4/4. Scafell Pike: In the last in the series exploring the work of
Britain's most famous fell-walker, Alfred Wainwright, Julia Bradbury
attempts to climb England's highest peak. [S]
BBC tv Wainwright's Walks Wed 28 Mar, 00:30 - 01:00
BBC Four
4/4. Scafell Pike: In the last in the series exploring the work of
Britain's most famous fell-walker, Alfred Wainwright, Julia Bradbury
attempts to climb England's highest peak. [S]
BBC tv Wainwright's Walks Wed 28 Mar, 03:00 - 03:30
BBC Four
4/4. Scafell Pike: In the last in the series exploring the work of
Britain's most famous fell-walker, Alfred Wainwright, Julia Bradbury
attempts to climb England's highest peak. [S]
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Phil Cook
>Does anyone know if the series have been posted on any newsgroups
More information from the Beeb a little burried in this page of
comments http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/yoursay/wainwright.shtml is that
they are apparently due out on DVD in the summer.
BBC Four: Wainwright's Walks will be released on DVD by Acorn in the
summer - it will be available through all DVD retailers but is not
released by the BBC as the series is made by an independent production
company.
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stick from rambler-nazis on the http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/yoursay/wainwright.shtml
page. "Can`t do that, should not do this, not in the spirit of,
blah,blah,blah". Sheesh!
I would have preferred a format using Eric Robbo and the girl
Bradbury but I only watch for the scenery so I am content enough. I
know the `copter makes a racket and burns avgas to give us all a nice
view but it knocks Memory Map 3D efforts for six when viewed on a
monster plasma panel. Roll on 3D TV.
Phil Cook
>No, it aint on the binaries yet. Julia Bradbury comes in for some
>stick from rambler-nazis on the http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/yoursay/wainwright.shtml
>page. "Can`t do that, should not do this, not in the spirit of,
>blah,blah,blah". Sheesh!
> I would have preferred a format using Eric Robbo and the girl
>Bradbury but I only watch for the scenery so I am content enough.
I think JB is far better than MG :-) or JS-P <shudder>
I rather liked the way they introduced the crew in episode two. "Of
course I'm not really alone....." or something like that. Pull back on
zoom to bring sound man and health and safety officer into shot...
Gordon H
I've already got 'em on DVD.
Some editing should be done of the 2nd to 4th walks, because she recites
a similar introduction at the beginning of each walk.
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Paul Saunders
> Julia Bradbury comes in for some
> stick from rambler-nazis on the
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/yoursay/wainwright.shtml page. "Can`t do
> that, should not do this, not in the spirit of,
> blah,blah,blah". Sheesh!
So I see. Moaning prats! Okay, so a TV programme about climbing a mountain
isn't exactly like climbing a real mountain. Like there's no background
music when you climb a mountain, and you don't have a presenter in your face
all the time. So what? Don't these people realise that presenting a TV
programme is a completely differnet medium? When I watch TV I don't expect
it to be like climbing a real mountain, I expect it to follow traditional TV
formulae, so I had no problem with it. Besides, if you're going to have a
presenter "in your face" I can think of worse faces to look at.
> I know the `copter makes a racket and burns avgas to give us all a
> nice view but it knocks Memory Map 3D efforts for six when viewed
> on a monster plasma panel. Roll on 3D TV.
I know it's not as good as the real thing, nor is it as good as a TV
programme showing pictures of the real thing, but if you want something
that's WAAAAAAAAAY better than Memory Map 3D, try Flight Simulator with the
VFR Photo Scenery disks!
It may not be as good as reality, but it's way better than Memory Map. The
resolution is a lot better and you also get excellent lighting and weather
effects. You can fly around the scenery and "experience" it in a way that
you just don't with Memory Map.
The latest FS version, FSX, has even higher resolution photo scenery
available for it. I can't wait!
You do need a reasonably powerful computer to run it though.
Be warned though, you can become so addicted to flying around this "virtual"
scenery that you no longer have any time to go out walking!
Paul
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Phil Cook
A common problem with this kind of thing when it goes to DVD is that
there isn't any edditing. You get the whole thing credits and all. In
effect you end up buying twenty or more minutes of repeat :-(
Gordon H
>Gordon H wrote:
>>
>>I've already got 'em on DVD.
>>
>>Some editing should be done of the 2nd to 4th walks, because she recites
>>a similar introduction at the beginning of each walk.
>
>A common problem with this kind of thing when it goes to DVD is that
>there isn't any edditing. You get the whole thing credits and all. In
>effect you end up buying twenty or more minutes of repeat :-(
>
digital programmes. I could run it through the Home Cinema program on
my PC, but it would be difficult to just cut out the preambles without
getting an abrupt start. No fade-in facility.
Dave Fawthrop
<Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
|!Phil Cook <u-r-...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> writes
|!>Gordon H wrote:
|!>>
|!>>I've already got 'em on DVD.
|!>>
|!>>Some editing should be done of the 2nd to 4th walks, because she recites
|!>>a similar introduction at the beginning of each walk.
|!>
|!>A common problem with this kind of thing when it goes to DVD is that
|!>there isn't any edditing. You get the whole thing credits and all. In
|!>effect you end up buying twenty or more minutes of repeat :-(
|!>
|!I promised to put them on DVD for a Lakes lover who hasn't got the
|!digital programmes. I could run it through the Home Cinema program on
|!my PC, but it would be difficult to just cut out the preambles without
|!getting an abrupt start. No fade-in facility.
Everything on BBC4 eventually gets transmitted on BBC1 or BBC2 Aunty is
advertising digital TV in several ways.
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" I know it's not as good as the real thing, nor is it as good as
a TV
programme showing pictures of the real thing, but if you want
something
that's WAAAAAAAAAY better than Memory Map 3D, try Flight Simulator
with the
VFR Photo Scenery disks! "
board, he likes it and I have not had the opportunity to give it a try
yet. It looks like fun. He sent me a screen grab of a valley in
Cumbria that is home to my brother, it looks correct.
It is odd that I welcome media that attracts people to a region I
wish to keep to myself, after thirty years of walking on the tops I
realise that I must share them with the rest of you.
Wordsworth had a dislike for the masses swarming on the fells though
he held railway stocks. By all accounts Wainwright rolled his eyes at
crocodiles of schoolkids heading up or down as he mapped the finest
English landscape.
I am certain that anybody frequenting this group knows the dread of
being in company with strangers on the hill, they are good company
sometimes though. Come summer I may change my tune.
Do you say hello after passing the ninetieth person on the walk up?
Chances are you set off very late after a night on the pop, say hello
on the walk down and feel superior. I must try it one day.
Gwyn
<Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>I promised to put them on DVD for a Lakes lover who hasn't got the
>digital programmes.
Don't Forget its coming up on Beeb 2 at easter
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Paul Saunders
> try Flight Simulator with the VFR Photo Scenery disks! "
> A nephew installed flight sim on a revved up cast-off asus 875
> board, he likes it and I have not had the opportunity to give it a try
> yet. It looks like fun. He sent me a screen grab of a valley in
> Cumbria that is home to my brother, it looks correct.
Has he got the photo scenery and hi-res terrain mesh? You really need quite
a powerful computer with a good graphics card to run it well. A screenshot
may look great, but without sufficient processing power and graphics card
memory, you'll get terrible frame rates and the scenery tends to blur. I'm
really looking forward to getting the new FSX with the new higher res photo
scenery, but there's really no point until I get a better computer. I've
recently reached the point where upgrading my computer is no longer
optional. I wouldn't do that just for a game (or a "sim"), but my photo
processing is suffering, and that's a serious matter.
And yes, it is fun, but more than fun, it's really educational. It can help
you familiarise yourself with the hills in a way that you never will by
studying maps alone, or even by walking all over them. You get a fantastic
three dimensional understanding of the terrain when you fly around it,
looking at it from all angles, and in different lighting conditions. I've
used it to study areas I've yet to visit, and I already know some of them
quite well. I've even spent a bit of time flying around the lakes, and I
followed the route of the last expedition as it was actually taking place,
in the same weather conditions (it automatically downloads real life weather
updates as you fly).
If you really want to study the landscape, a slow plane is best. I sometimes
use a microlight, which is terrible for getting anywhere, but great for
enjoying the scenery at a leisurely pace. Helicopters are better still
because you can hover and spin around, but they're bloody hard to fly (best
to turn the realism settings to minimum and set crash detection to off!).
> It is odd that I welcome media that attracts people to a region I
> wish to keep to myself, after thirty years of walking on the tops I
> realise that I must share them with the rest of you.
I think the best solution is to promote a wider range of areas to visit, not
just the honeypots. Snowdonia, the Lakes, etc. are not the only places worth
visiting, there are many good walking areas that are ignored by the masses.
Perhaps that's a good thing, but I think that if people spread themselves
over a wider area, there'll be less pressure on the honeypots.
> Wordsworth had a dislike for the masses swarming on the fells though
> he held railway stocks. By all accounts Wainwright rolled his eyes at
> crocodiles of schoolkids heading up or down as he mapped the finest
> English landscape.
I encountered a literal bus-load of walkers at the start of a walk a few
days ago, emptying from the path off the hill straight into the waiting bus.
I took a different route and didn't see a soul all day. I started late and
stayed out after dark.
> I am certain that anybody frequenting this group knows the dread of
> being in company with strangers on the hill, they are good company
> sometimes though. Come summer I may change my tune.
Best time to go walking in summer is at 4am. You can have a decent 6 hour
walk and be off the hill just as the hordes are arriving. Alternatively,
start late while everyone else heads for the pub. A 5pm start can give you
5-6 hours of walking before dark. An advantage of this approach is that you
get to enjoy the sunrise and sunset that most people miss. But don't forget
your head-torch...
> Do you say hello after passing the ninetieth person on the walk up?
I rarely meet that many people on my walks. I go out of my way to avoid
them, by planning my walks at appropriate times and in appropriate places. I
visit the popular places at unpopular times, and unpopular places at popular
times. I also prefer to walk mid-week and avoid weekends, a luxury that most
people don't have.
> Chances are you set off very late after a night on the pop, say hello
> on the walk down and feel superior. I must try it one day.
A night walk in an alcoholic stupor? Nope, I've never tried that. Doesn't
sound like a very clever idea to me! I've been inebriated in the outdoors
after dark once or twice and I'll be honest, it didn't feel very safe to me,
and that was just walking a few yards from my tent.
Paul
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Lakeuk
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:49:13 +0000, Gordon H
>
> <Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> >I promised to put them on DVD for a Lakes lover who hasn't got the
> >digital programmes.
>
> Don't Forget its coming up on Beeb 2 at easter
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First programme starts Friday 06/04/2007 at 19:00 'BBC Four on BBC
Two:Wainwright's Walks'
Dave
C R Fishwick
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> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:49:13 +0000, Gordon H
> <Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
> |!Phil Cook <u-r-...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> |!>Gordon H wrote:
> |!>>
> |!>>I've already got 'em on DVD.
> |!>>
> |!>>Some editing should be done of the 2nd to 4th walks, because she
> recites
> |!>>a similar introduction at the beginning of each walk.
> |!>
> |!>A common problem with this kind of thing when it goes to DVD is that
> |!>there isn't any edditing. You get the whole thing credits and all. In
> |!>effect you end up buying twenty or more minutes of repeat :-(
> |!>
> |!I promised to put them on DVD for a Lakes lover who hasn't got the
> |!digital programmes. I could run it through the Home Cinema program on
> |!my PC, but it would be difficult to just cut out the preambles without
> |!getting an abrupt start. No fade-in facility.
>
> Everything on BBC4 eventually gets transmitted on BBC1 or BBC2 Aunty is
> advertising digital TV in several ways.
And to be honest, why would anyone want to watch that trash? If you believe
what you saw was authentic, it's time to give up:-( Hy, Ho, more people will
be hill walking in lakes!
Thankfully, I travel further afield nowadays, to get away from the crowds;-)
( Wainwright taught me:-)
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|!"Dave Fawthrop" <inv...@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
|!news:345b03lsg92m8gg4q...@4ax.com...
|!> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:49:13 +0000, Gordon H
|!> <Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
|!>
|!> |!Phil Cook <u-r-...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> writes
|!> |!>Gordon H wrote:
|!> |!>>
|!> |!>>I've already got 'em on DVD.
|!> |!>>
|!> |!>>Some editing should be done of the 2nd to 4th walks, because she
|!> recites
|!> |!>>a similar introduction at the beginning of each walk.
|!> |!>
|!> |!>A common problem with this kind of thing when it goes to DVD is that
|!> |!>there isn't any edditing. You get the whole thing credits and all. In
|!> |!>effect you end up buying twenty or more minutes of repeat :-(
|!> |!>
|!> |!I promised to put them on DVD for a Lakes lover who hasn't got the
|!> |!digital programmes. I could run it through the Home Cinema program on
|!> |!my PC, but it would be difficult to just cut out the preambles without
|!> |!getting an abrupt start. No fade-in facility.
|!>
|!> Everything on BBC4 eventually gets transmitted on BBC1 or BBC2 Aunty is
|!> advertising digital TV in several ways.
|!
|!
|!And to be honest, why would anyone want to watch that trash? If you believe
|!what you saw was authentic, it's time to give up:-(
She does complain at length, and several times, about the problems of
walking with a film crew, and in a previous episode, Sharp Edge, she
introduced her safety man and showed the rest of the crew, so she does not
even pretend that it is authentic. As they did not get to the top till
sunset, it must have been an interesting time getting down in the dark
|!Hy, Ho, more people will be hill walking in lakes!
And a good thing too :-)
Terry Pinnell
>totalb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> try Flight Simulator with the VFR Photo Scenery disks! "
>
>> A nephew installed flight sim on a revved up cast-off asus 875
>> board, he likes it and I have not had the opportunity to give it a try
>> yet. It looks like fun. He sent me a screen grab of a valley in
>> Cumbria that is home to my brother, it looks correct.
>
>Has he got the photo scenery and hi-res terrain mesh? You really need quite
>a powerful computer with a good graphics card to run it well.
[snip]
How does it compare to Google Earth? (Assuming the area is at high or
highish resolution, of course.)
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Terry, West Sussex, UK
Nick
> And to be honest, why would anyone want to watch that trash? If you believe
> what you saw was authentic, it's time to give up:-( Hy, Ho, more people will
> be hill walking in lakes!
> Thankfully, I travel further afield nowadays, to get away from the crowds;-)
> ( Wainwright taught me:-)
> CRF
It depends what you mean by authentic. Had she been stretchered up the
hills by the crew, or moved between locations by helicopter, there would
be a case for saying it was artificial. However, there is no suggestion
that she and her crew did not walk to the summits and back. Having a
film crew, with the need for example to wait until the camera was at the
top before completing the ascent, would have made the walks longer and
more tedious, but no easier.
I was a bit surprised to see in the Sharp Edge episode that one of the
crew was holding an autocue, but I guess that's modern TV presenters for
you :-)
Nick
C R Fishwick
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>C R Fishwick wrote:
>> And to be honest, why would anyone want to watch that trash? If you
>> believe what you saw was authentic, it's time to give up:-( Hy, Ho, more
>> people will be hill walking in lakes!
>> Thankfully, I travel further afield nowadays, to get away from the
>> crowds;-)
>> ( Wainwright taught me:-)
>> CRF
>
> It depends what you mean by authentic. Had she been stretchered up the
> hills by the crew, or moved between locations by helicopter, there would
> be a case for saying it was artificial.
You could be rather surprised! If you really knew how it was produced;-)
>However, there is no suggestion that she and her crew did not walk to the
>summits and back.
Want to bet?
> Having a film crew, with the need for example to wait until the camera was
> at the top before completing the ascent, would have made the walks longer
> and more tedious, but no easier.
>
> I was a bit surprised to see in the Sharp Edge episode that one of the
> crew was holding an autocue, but I guess that's modern TV presenters for
> you :-)
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> "Nick" <do....@use.this> wrote in message
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>> hills by the crew, or moved between locations by helicopter, there would
>> be a case for saying it was artificial.
>
> You could be rather surprised! If you really knew how it was produced;-)
>
>> However, there is no suggestion that she and her crew did not walk to the
>> summits and back.
>
> Want to bet?
>
>
Dave Fawthrop
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|!"Nick" <do....@use.this> wrote in message
|!news:4607c18e$0$765$5a6a...@news.aaisp.net.uk...
|!>C R Fishwick wrote:
|!>> And to be honest, why would anyone want to watch that trash? If you
|!>> believe what you saw was authentic, it's time to give up:-( Hy, Ho, more
|!>> people will be hill walking in lakes!
|!>> Thankfully, I travel further afield nowadays, to get away from the
|!>> crowds;-)
|!>> ( Wainwright taught me:-)
|!>> CRF
|!>
|!> It depends what you mean by authentic. Had she been stretchered up the
|!> hills by the crew, or moved between locations by helicopter, there would
|!> be a case for saying it was artificial.
She was definitely out of breath at the appropriate points.
|!
|!You could be rather surprised! If you really knew how it was produced;-)
Were you watching them all the way up?
Paul Saunders
>> However, there is no suggestion that she and her crew did not walk
>> to the summits and back.
>
> Want to bet?
Actually, her goal was to climb to the summits, wasn't it? I don't recall
her ever saying anything about walking back down, and we never saw her
walking back down...
I must admit that I was pretty gobsmacked when she said it had taken her 10
hours to climb to the summit of Scafell, a distance of only 5.5 miles,
wasn't it? I know she blamed it on the camera crew, but what were they
doing, taking hour long tea breaks every mile? If it really took that long
to get to the top and the sun was setting when she got there, I doubt very
much that any of them walked back.
I also found it amusing at the beginning of the programme when she mentioned
her "early start" and said "it's not even 8 o'clock yet".
Ha! Call that an early start? And then she was surprised when she
encountered other walkers already up there.
Paul
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Gordon H
>"Nick" <do....@use.this> wrote in message
>news:4607c18e$0$765$5a6a...@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>>C R Fishwick wrote:
>>> And to be honest, why would anyone want to watch that trash? If you
>>> believe what you saw was authentic, it's time to give up:-( Hy, Ho, more
>>> people will be hill walking in lakes!
>>> Thankfully, I travel further afield nowadays, to get away from the
>>> crowds;-)
>>> ( Wainwright taught me:-)
>>> CRF
>>
>> It depends what you mean by authentic. Had she been stretchered up the
>> hills by the crew, or moved between locations by helicopter, there would
>> be a case for saying it was artificial.
>
>You could be rather surprised! If you really knew how it was produced;-)
>
I enjoyed it for the scenery. I thought her presentation was a bit
shaky on the first, but improved throughout.
Come on now, you were obviously there, tell us the inside story.
;-)
Gordon H
Damn! My thoughts exactly...
Posted before I read yours.
Gordon H
>
>I must admit that I was pretty gobsmacked when she said it had taken her 10
>hours to climb to the summit of Scafell, a distance of only 5.5 miles,
>wasn't it? I know she blamed it on the camera crew, but what were they
>doing, taking hour long tea breaks every mile? If it really took that long
>to get to the top and the sun was setting when she got there, I doubt very
>much that any of them walked back.
>
I can tell you it takes more time! To film someone from above
climbing a hill, you first have to get yourselves and the gear up ahead
to a suitable vantage point. Otherwise they would be trailing
behind. Shots have to be planned, or else lots of video is shot which
is later discarded, and some parts take more than one attempt, look at
all the out-take shows....
I enjoy such programmes on TV, especially when they cover areas I have
been!
Gordon H
>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:49:13 +0000, Gordon H
><Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
>>I promised to put them on DVD for a Lakes lover who hasn't got the
>>digital programmes.
>
>Don't Forget its coming up on Beeb 2 at easter
Oh good! I expect she'll make it to the top of Scafell much quicker
this time!
Paul Saunders
> Having walked with a guy who captured part of our walks on a
> camcorder, I can tell you it takes more time!
I know that only too well. I used a video camera for a couple of years.
> To film someone from
> above climbing a hill, you first have to get yourselves and the gear
> up ahead to a suitable vantage point.
Yep, I know, and it's a pain in the arse. But it shouldn't take more than
double the time, even if they film the entire walk, and there's no real need
for that.
> Shots have to be planned, or else lots of video is
> shot which is later discarded,
Absolutely, but most of that planning can be done beforehand, in fact most
of it *should* be done beforehand. The entire programme should be
storyboarded. Also, a few people should go up the route in advance to scout
out suitable locations and take test shots, so that on the day, no
unnecessary time is wasted. Time spent planning saves a lot more time when
actually doing, so I can only assume that they didn't really plan it
thoroughly enough, seems like they just "winged it".
> and some parts take more than one
> attempt, look at all the out-take shows....
Of course, and there's the weather which may not cooperate, not to mention
all those bloody fell walkers getting in the way and ruining the shots! In
fact, that could be the main reason they took so long!
In fact, if there were any helicopters involved, they might have been
profitably employed carrying the crew to viewpoints in advance, rather than
forcing them to walk up there with really heavy gear. I wonder how many of
them were fit experienced hill walkers?
> I enjoy such programmes on TV, especially when they cover areas I have
> been!
Yep, I enjoyed them too.
Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
Dave Fawthrop
<Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
|!Gwyn <g@?.?.invalid> writes
|!>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:49:13 +0000, Gordon H
|!><Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
|!>
|!>>I promised to put them on DVD for a Lakes lover who hasn't got the
|!>>digital programmes.
|!>
|!>Don't Forget its coming up on Beeb 2 at easter
|!
|!Oh good! I expect she'll make it to the top of Scafell much quicker
|!this time!
Doubt it, She was knackered when she got to the top, her movement over
rocky ground was very poor, you could even see her legs shaking, and her
pieces to camera showed that she was running on pure adrenaline.
John Laird
<inva...@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:17:23 +0100, Gordon H
>
> <Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
> |!Gwyn <g@?.?.invalid> writes
> |!>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:49:13 +0000, Gordon H|!><Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
> |!>
> |!>>I promised to put them on DVD for a Lakes lover who hasn't got the
> |!>>digital programmes.
> |!>
> |!>Don't Forget its coming up on Beeb 2 at easter
> |!
> |!Oh good! I expect she'll make it to the top of Scafell much quicker
> |!this time!
>
> Doubt it, She was knackered when she got to the top, her movement over
> rocky ground was very poor, you could even see her legs shaking, and her
> pieces to camera showed that she was running on pure adrenaline.
She did seem to have a habit of half-running or skipping when she set
off from a "shot". The only time I ever break walking pace is coming
downhill, sometimes, only on good ground, and only when I'm not in the
slightest bit tired. Otherwise, a steady stride saves a lot of energy
that is lost "running around". I'd also never loosely hang a rucksack
over one shoulder and have to keep hold of the strap with one hand -
that's off-putting. And if it's too warm to have a jacket zipped up,
I take it off rather than have it flapping about in the wind.
Anything else left to criticise ? :-)
--
"Any wire cut to length will be too short."
Paul Saunders
> I'd also never loosely hang a rucksack
> over one shoulder and have to keep hold of the strap with one hand -
> that's off-putting.
All TV walking presenters seem to do that. No doubt they just do it to give
the impression that they're actually carrying their own gear, then once the
take is over they hand it to one of their assistants to carry for them...
> Anything else left to criticise ? :-)
Oh I'm sure we can think of plenty more...
Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
Dave Fawthrop
|!On Mar 27, 6:39 am, Dave Fawthrop
|!<inva...@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
|!> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:17:23 +0100, Gordon H
|!>
|!> <Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
|!>
|!> |!Gwyn <g@?.?.invalid> writes
|!> |!>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:49:13 +0000, Gordon H|!><Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
|!>
|!> |!>
|!> |!>>I promised to put them on DVD for a Lakes lover who hasn't got the
|!> |!>>digital programmes.
|!> |!>
|!> |!>Don't Forget its coming up on Beeb 2 at easter
|!> |!
|!> |!Oh good! I expect she'll make it to the top of Scafell much quicker
|!> |!this time!
|!>
|!> Doubt it, She was knackered when she got to the top, her movement over
|!> rocky ground was very poor, you could even see her legs shaking, and her
|!> pieces to camera showed that she was running on pure adrenaline.
|!
|!She did seem to have a habit of half-running or skipping when she set
|!off from a "shot".
Any TV presenter during/after a piece to camera is high on Adrenaline and
with a very high heart rate. So she feels as if she has had lots of
energy, the waste of energy only catches up with her later.
Rudi Winter
> It depends what you mean by authentic. Had she been stretchered up the
> hills by the crew, or moved between locations by helicopter, there would
> be a case for saying it was artificial. However, there is no suggestion
I don't know how it was filmed and haven't even seen the programme, but
I'd be surprised if there weren't helicopters involved. I had a casual
job as cable assistant for outside broadcasts with a TV company when I
was a student, and the amount of effort and waste of resources that they
put into meticulous detail still amazes me. I bet TV broadcasting is the
only bit of public sector activity where wastage isn't just tolerated
but aspired to!
--
Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales
John Laird
<inva...@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> Any TV presenter during/after a piece to camera is high on Adrenaline and
> with a very high heart rate. So she feels as if she has had lots of
> energy, the waste of energy only catches up with her later.
Interesting, thanks.
--
"Friends come and go, enemies accumulate."
Phil Cook
But these Wainwright Walks programmes were made by an independent
production company. There is very little public sector filming done
these days.
It takes a /lot/ of preparation and attention to detail to get a
programme right. I can just imagine the howls of derision we would
have at lapses of continuity or microphones in shot not to mention
the public wandering around in the background and noises off.
It's bad enough waiting for the light for a photograph. People
complain about us photogs taking ages over a walk when we stop to take
a picture where an ordinary snapper would take two seconds. We can
easily take many many minutes and if we really want to hours waiting
for the light. Add into that waiting for people and actors or
presenters being ready and not fluffing their lines and you can very
easily get a two minute piece to camera needing hours of work.
--
Phil Cook, last hill: Heron Pike via Nab Scar.
Roger
from ru...@physics.org (Rudi Winter) contains these words:
> I don't know how it was filmed and haven't even seen the programme, but
> I'd be surprised if there weren't helicopters involved. I had a casual
> job as cable assistant for outside broadcasts with a TV company when I
> was a student, and the amount of effort and waste of resources that they
> put into meticulous detail still amazes me. I bet TV broadcasting is the
> only bit of public sector activity where wastage isn't just tolerated
> but aspired to!
There were certainly some helicopter shots but I can't recall now
whether they were only of general scenery or if some of them were of the
party on the ground.
--
Roger Chapman
Nearest Marilyn still to be visited - Great Orme.
89 miles as the crow flies,
considerably more as the walker drives.
Gordon H
>On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:17:23 +0100, Gordon H
><Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
>|!Gwyn <g@?.?.invalid> writes
>|!>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:49:13 +0000, Gordon H
>|!><Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>|!>
>|!>>I promised to put them on DVD for a Lakes lover who hasn't got the
>|!>>digital programmes.
>|!>
>|!>Don't Forget its coming up on Beeb 2 at easter
>|!
>|!Oh good! I expect she'll make it to the top of Scafell much quicker
>|!this time!
>
>Doubt it, She was knackered when she got to the top, her movement over
>rocky ground was very poor, you could even see her legs shaking, and her
>pieces to camera showed that she was running on pure adrenaline.
That would describe me on my first ELD peaks, except I was 40. :-)
Paul Saunders
> I don't know how it was filmed and haven't even seen the programme,
> but I'd be surprised if there weren't helicopters involved.
They definitely had aerial shots included.
> I had a
> casual job as cable assistant for outside broadcasts with a TV
> company when I was a student, and the amount of effort and waste of
> resources that they put into meticulous detail still amazes me. I
> bet TV broadcasting is the only bit of public sector activity where
> wastage isn't just tolerated but aspired to!
All part of the glamour of TV!
Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
Rudi Winter
> Rudi Winter wrote:
>>put into meticulous detail still amazes me. I bet TV broadcasting is the
>>only bit of public sector activity where wastage isn't just tolerated
>>but aspired to!
>
> But these Wainwright Walks programmes were made by an independent
> production company. There is very little public sector filming done
> these days.
But does the independent production company have any sizeable
customers other than the BBC?
> It takes a /lot/ of preparation and attention to detail to get a
> programme right. I can just imagine the howls of derision we would
> have at lapses of continuity or microphones in shot not to mention
> the public wandering around in the background and noises off.
Well, probably! But I wasn't really advocating sloppy work. I just
have mental images of people lugging sturdy tents for use as dressing
rooms, common rooms, cutting rooms, portaloos... up the hillside while
a helicopter ferries the important people in at the last minute...
Rudi Winter
> Doubt it, She was knackered when she got to the top, her movement over
> rocky ground was very poor, you could even see her legs shaking, and her
> pieces to camera showed that she was running on pure adrenaline.
If that's the impression people got, then I'm sure it's because it's
the impression the director wanted people to have. They would've done
it again and again until it's "right". If the presenter wasn't seen
to be knackered, the audience wouldn't get the true sporty-outdoorsy
feeling they're meant to have.
Paul Saunders
> If that's the impression people got, then I'm sure it's because it's
> the impression the director wanted people to have.
Well since you mention it, I didn't get that impression. Sorry to disappoint
you.
Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
Chris Townsend
<pv...@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>Rudi Winter wrote:
>
>> If that's the impression people got, then I'm sure it's because it's
>> the impression the director wanted people to have.
>
>Well since you mention it, I didn't get that impression. Sorry to disappoint
>you.
>
Interesting discussion. I've done some bits of TV work, most recently
for BBC Scotland's The Adventure Show, produced by an independent
company and last autumn for BBC Scotland (checking out whether Beinn
Dearg in Torridon is a Munro or not - relating to another thread). On
every occasion we've done all the walking and there's just been the
producer, cameraman (it has always been a man), presenter and me with
occasionally a safety officer (on Beinn Dearg I was co-opted into this
role). Last spring we filmed a trip with an overnight camp. We carried
all the gear in (no packs slung on one shoulder - not with 15kg loads!)
and camped overnight. We only walked 4 miles however and that took the
best part of a day as bits were filmed over and over again from
different angles and we dodged showers. On Beinn Dearg we had heavy rain
and strong winds throughout and got nowhere near the summit. I was
impressed with the professionalism of the crew, lashed by the storm they
still worked out a closing shot so the piece would make some sort of
sense. At the time the presenter was soaked having fallen thigh deep
into a bog when he wasn't wearing overtrousers and through wearing a
waterproof jacket not up to mountain storms. The cameraman was wet too
as his BBC jacket leaked and didn't breathe. Neither of them were
regular hillwalkers. Only the producer, who was a hill runner, and me
were reasonably dry.
Often I have sounded out of breath because I was! Talking while walking
steeply uphill can do that.
On pieces looking a gear we usually walk a mile or so into the hills,
find a scenic spot and film there (once it was at Steall in upper Glen
Nevis).
--
Chris Townsend
Philip Powell
<Ch...@DELETE.auchnarrow.demon.co.uk> writes
Well, I think I know who has given us the more accurate account of how
the finished article is arrived at.
Thanks Chris!
--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to The Cheviot
grom...@hotmail.com
I did notice (sad - I know) that on one of the walks she had different
pants on part way thru. I think it may have been the Sharp Edge one.
I'm not going to watch it again just to check that - but perhaps if
someone else is watching - they may notice.
It was before Sharp Edge, and it was an ankle shot of her skipping
over rocks. The pants she usually has on - and worn for the other 4
programmes, have some embroidery or logo on the back of the right
calf. The other shot didn't show this.
See - told you it was sad!
Gordon H
Phil Cook
>> Anything else left to criticise ? :-)
>
>I did notice (sad - I know) that on one of the walks she had different
>pants on part way thru. I think it may have been the Sharp Edge one.
>I'm not going to watch it again just to check that - but perhaps if
>someone else is watching - they may notice.
What? Have I missed something?
>It was before Sharp Edge, and it was an ankle shot of her skipping
>over rocks. The pants she usually has on - and worn for the other 4
>programmes, have some embroidery or logo on the back of the right
>calf.
Oh, you mean /trousers/......
Roger
from grom...@hotmail.com contains these words:
Your recollection is different to mine. When I first noticed the leg
adornment I thought she must have picked up some mud or vegetation but
AFAICR she wore a similar adornment on her right leg in the first 3
programs but was without it in the 4th. (Perhaps it fell off. :-))
C R Fishwick
news:eu8t16$qbt$1...@news.freedom2surf.net...
<snipped the !>
> Ha! Call that an early start? And then she was surprised when she
> encountered other walkers already up there.
Personally, I was very surprised she had the summit to herself;-) Did they
tell everybody else to P*ss Off, we are filming;-)
CRF
--
Craven and Pendle Birds:
Bird watching in and around Craven & Pendle.
North Yorkshire and East Lancashire.
http://craven-and-pendle-birding.org/
C R Fishwick
news:o4qKgAJb...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid...
Just think about it? If you believe what you see on any documentary or
natural history et al, TV programme is filmed "As is" Good for you! And not
edited and spliced and manipulated? Plus the "film crew" IMHO would have
been flown in to the stratigic places for your glimpse of the "intrepid
walker"!
Funny how on her walks nobody passed her in either direction. I mean real
hillwalkers;-) Especially on some of the most frequented hills in the
Lakes;-)
C R Fishwick
"Chris Townsend" <Ch...@DELETE.auchnarrow.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:sz$qoBFiw...@auchnarrow.demon.co.uk...
> In message <eubuol$5l7$1...@news.freedom2surf.net>, Paul Saunders
> <pv...@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>Rudi Winter wrote:
>>
>>> If that's the impression people got, then I'm sure it's because it's
>>> the impression the director wanted people to have.
>>
>>Well since you mention it, I didn't get that impression. Sorry to
>>disappoint
>>you.
>>
>
> Interesting discussion. I've done some bits of TV work, most recently for
> BBC Scotland's The Adventure Show, produced by an independent company and
> last autumn for BBC Scotland (checking out whether Beinn Dearg in Torridon
> is a Munro or not - relating to another thread).
And do you consider it a Munro? I don't, although, I've been on it many
times;-)
>On every occasion we've done all the walking and there's just been the
>producer, cameraman (it has always been a man), presenter and me with
>occasionally a safety officer (on Beinn Dearg I was co-opted into this
>role).
Co-opted as Safety officer? Why? Had the other to go home to mummy;-)
>Last spring we filmed a trip with an overnight camp. We carried all the
>gear in (no packs slung on one shoulder - not with 15kg loads!) and camped
>overnight.
Where too? BG!
>We only walked 4 miles however and that took the best part of a day as bits
>were filmed over and over again from different angles and we dodged
>showers. On Beinn Dearg we had heavy rain and strong winds throughout and
>got nowhere near the summit. I was impressed with the professionalism of
>the crew, lashed by the storm they still worked out a closing shot so the
>piece would make some sort of sense. At the time the presenter was soaked
>having fallen thigh deep into a bog when he wasn't wearing overtrousers and
>through wearing a waterproof jacket not up to mountain storms. The
>cameraman was wet too as his BBC jacket leaked and didn't breathe. Neither
>of them were regular hillwalkers. Only the producer, who was a hill runner,
>and me were reasonably dry.
Yep! 2 blokes who sort of knew what they were on about;-) The others!
> Often I have sounded out of breath because I was! Talking while walking
> steeply uphill can do that.
Not surprised carrying that gear for just an hill trip! Climbers carry that
nonchalantly
> On pieces looking a gear we usually walk a mile or so into the hills, find
> a scenic spot and film there (once it was at Steall in upper Glen Nevis).
Don't get me started! I got kicked out from there 'cause Charlie was
about;-)
Chris Townsend
<crfis...@nospamhotmail.com> writes
>http://craven-and-pendle-birding.org/
>"Chris Townsend" <Ch...@DELETE.auchnarrow.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:sz$qoBFiw...@auchnarrow.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <eubuol$5l7$1...@news.freedom2surf.net>, Paul Saunders
>> <pv...@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>>Rudi Winter wrote:
>>>
>>>> If that's the impression people got, then I'm sure it's because it's
>>>> the impression the director wanted people to have.
>>>
>>>Well since you mention it, I didn't get that impression. Sorry to
>>>disappoint
>>>you.
>>>
>>
>> Interesting discussion. I've done some bits of TV work, most recently for
>> BBC Scotland's The Adventure Show, produced by an independent company and
>> last autumn for BBC Scotland (checking out whether Beinn Dearg in Torridon
>> is a Munro or not - relating to another thread).
>
>And do you consider it a Munro? I don't, although, I've been on it many
>times;-)
I simply don't know. We certainly didn't find out on that occasion. It
could be. It's a fine hill regardless.
>
>>On every occasion we've done all the walking and there's just been the
>>producer, cameraman (it has always been a man), presenter and me with
>>occasionally a safety officer (on Beinn Dearg I was co-opted into this
>>role).
>
>Co-opted as Safety officer? Why? Had the other to go home to mummy;-)
There was no other!
>
>>Last spring we filmed a trip with an overnight camp. We carried all the
>>gear in (no packs slung on one shoulder - not with 15kg loads!) and camped
>>overnight.
>
>Where too? BG!
In the Monadh Liath
>
>>We only walked 4 miles however and that took the best part of a day as bits
>>were filmed over and over again from different angles and we dodged
>>showers. On Beinn Dearg we had heavy rain and strong winds throughout and
>>got nowhere near the summit. I was impressed with the professionalism of
>>the crew, lashed by the storm they still worked out a closing shot so the
>>piece would make some sort of sense. At the time the presenter was soaked
>>having fallen thigh deep into a bog when he wasn't wearing overtrousers and
>>through wearing a waterproof jacket not up to mountain storms. The
>>cameraman was wet too as his BBC jacket leaked and didn't breathe. Neither
>>of them were regular hillwalkers. Only the producer, who was a hill runner,
>>and me were reasonably dry.
>
>Yep! 2 blokes who sort of knew what they were on about;-) The others!
I bloke and 1 woman actually :-)
>
>> Often I have sounded out of breath because I was! Talking while walking
>> steeply uphill can do that.
>
>Not surprised carrying that gear for just an hill trip! Climbers carry that
>nonchalantly
What gear?
TV camera gear is heavy. I had a tripod head to lug on the Beinn Dearg
trip.
>
>> On pieces looking a gear we usually walk a mile or so into the hills, find
>> a scenic spot and film there (once it was at Steall in upper Glen Nevis).
>
>Don't get me started! I got kicked out from there 'cause Charlie was
>about;-)
>
The hut? We were the other side of the river.
C R Fishwick
>C R Fishwick wrote:
>> "Nick" <do....@use.this> wrote in message
>> news:4607c18e$0$765$5a6a...@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>>> hills by the crew, or moved between locations by helicopter, there would
>>> be a case for saying it was artificial.
>>
>> You could be rather surprised! If you really knew how it was produced;-)
>>
>>> the summits and back.
>>
>> Want to bet?
>>
>>
> Go on - spill the beans! How was it done?
Well! hillwalkers have or should have common sense! Is that untrue? :-0
--
Craven and Pendle Birds:
Bird watching in and around Craven & Pendle.
North Yorkshire and East Lancashire.
http://craven-and-pendle-birding.org/
C R Fishwick
at Steall in upper Glen Nevis).
<snip>
>>
>>Don't get me started! I got kicked out from there 'cause Charlie was
>>about;-)
>>
> The hut? We were the other side of the river.
Na, Not the bloody hut! The area! I must have missed you;-) Thankfully;-)
CRF
--
Craven and Pendle Birds:
Bird watching in and around Craven & Pendle.
North Yorkshire and East Lancashire.
http://craven-and-pendle-birding.org/
Gordon H
>"Gordon H" <Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
>news:o4qKgAJb...@g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid...
>>>
>>
>> I enjoyed it for the scenery. I thought her presentation was a bit shaky
>> on the first, but improved throughout.
>>
>> Come on now, you were obviously there, tell us the inside story.
>> ;-)
>
>Just think about it? If you believe what you see on any documentary or
>natural history et al, TV programme is filmed "As is" Good for you! And not
>edited and spliced and manipulated? Plus the "film crew" IMHO would have
>been flown in to the stratigic places for your glimpse of the "intrepid
>walker"!
>
>Funny how on her walks nobody passed her in either direction. I mean real
>hillwalkers;-) Especially on some of the most frequented hills in the
>Lakes;-)
>
>CRF
Yes, we know all that, but I just wondered if you were there... ;-)
C R Fishwick
Thankfully not! Seems as though as my wife says, many people are re-reading
Wainrights books! Albeit thro' the library service;-) Been in the back stock
for many years;-) Nobody read 'em until this TV realisation of Wainwright
death.
I'd suggest somebody has resurrected it to make money! Including the said
"hillwalker" :-0 Hopefully the monies will go to animal welfare;-) But doubt
it!
Rudi Winter
> In message <eubuol$5l7$1...@news.freedom2surf.net>, Paul Saunders
> <pv...@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>Rudi Winter wrote:
>>
>>> If that's the impression people got, then I'm sure it's because it's
>>> the impression the director wanted people to have.
>>
>>Well since you mention it, I didn't get that impression. Sorry to disappoint
>>you.
>
> Interesting discussion. I've done some bits of TV work, most recently
> for BBC Scotland's The Adventure Show, produced by an independent
> company and last autumn for BBC Scotland (checking out whether Beinn
Right, no helicopters and dressing room tents then! Which surprises
but pleases me...
> and camped overnight. We only walked 4 miles however and that took the
> best part of a day as bits were filmed over and over again from
> different angles and we dodged showers. On Beinn Dearg we had heavy rain
...although that sounds like "doing it again and again until it comes
over right"...
Chris Townsend
<ru...@physics.org> writes
>Chris Townsend <Ch...@delete.auchnarrow.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <eubuol$5l7$1...@news.freedom2surf.net>, Paul Saunders
>> <pv...@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>>Rudi Winter wrote:
>>>
>>>> If that's the impression people got, then I'm sure it's because it's
>>>> the impression the director wanted people to have.
>>>
>>>Well since you mention it, I didn't get that impression. Sorry to disappoint
>>>you.
>>
>> Interesting discussion. I've done some bits of TV work, most recently
>> for BBC Scotland's The Adventure Show, produced by an independent
>> company and last autumn for BBC Scotland (checking out whether Beinn
>
>Right, no helicopters and dressing room tents then! Which surprises
>but pleases me...
I guess expensive productions use these! None of the ones I've been
involved in do.
>
>> and camped overnight. We only walked 4 miles however and that took the
>> best part of a day as bits were filmed over and over again from
>> different angles and we dodged showers. On Beinn Dearg we had heavy rain
>
>...although that sounds like "doing it again and again until it comes
>over right"...
There is a bit of that. Camera people like to take shots from many
angles. The clips that appeared from that trip lasted maybe 10 minutes
in total. I guess over an hour of film was shot, probably much more.
It's then up to the editor to select stuff that "comes over right" and
put it together.