Spikes
Judith
Kahtoola Micro-spikes or Grivel Spiders.
Discuss.
Judith
PeterC
I'd like to know as well. Have to be steel for that use.
Done 4 - 5 walks since the snow fell and OK across country but get to the
garaging estates...! At times, it's half-speed or lower due to the footways
being icy where the cretcans have been driven along them, then the sloping
driveways - it's very bad.
Must remember to remove crampons before going into the pub with the lovely
wooden floors!
--
Peter.
2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.
OG
"Judith" <no.spam.for....@aol.com> wrote in message
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> To avoid slipping on icy paths:
>
> Kahtoola Micro-spikes or Grivel Spiders.
>
> Discuss.
Someone on the PM radio program yesterday wrote in to say they had wrapped
chickenwire around their shoes and had no no problems.
Not a recommendation, merely an observation.
Phil Cook
>To avoid slipping on icy paths:
>
>Kahtoola Micro-spikes or Grivel Spiders.
Looking at it from a theoretical standpoint the Kahtoolas put the
spikes where you need them - balls and heels rather than the instep
which is where they are with the Spiders.
To avoid slipping on icy paths, stay at home. Or walk /off/ the path.
:-)
I might be up for a wander in the hills on Sunday or Monday after what
looks like being another Boxing Day massacre at Hillsborouygh. :-(
--
Phil Cook, last hill: Cadair Idris in the mist.
http://www.therewaslight.co.uk
FenlandRunner
I've very recent experience that Inov-8 flite 230s are excellent for
slippery paths.
16 miles run on Sunday and didn't slip once...
Peter Clinch
No experience of either, but various folk on Outdoors Magic's
Forums seem to be most impressed with the Kahtoolas to the extent
it would be my first choice of the two. From a theorertical
standpoint I'd say it's the better design as walking on your
insteps is a tad contrived.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.c...@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
Judith
<fell...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I've very recent experience that Inov-8 flite 230s are excellent for
>slippery paths.
>
>16 miles run on Sunday and didn't slip once...
I'll be in Inov-8 Roclite 390s and I don't think I've used them on ice
yet. I've used the 315s in snow (with Sealskinz socks) and they were
fine.
<shocked traditionalist> What! Shoes... in the mountains..... in
winter?! </st> Well, it works for me, but some spikey things might be
handy for any enforced road-walking.
Judith
Judith
<ph...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>Kahtoola Micro-spikes or Grivel Spiders?
>
>Looking at it from a theoretical standpoint the Kahtoolas put the
>spikes where you need them - balls and heels rather than the instep
>which is where they are with the Spiders.
>
That's a good point (made by Pete, too). Although I've not tried
either yet, the Spiders probably work best if you walk flat-footed
..... which is what I have been doing in my work shoes on frozen
pavements. The Kahtoolas look like you could walk with a more natural
heel-toe movement.
>To avoid slipping on icy paths, stay at home.
Spoilsport!
>Or walk /off/ the path.
>:-)
Sometimes I end up using minor roads to get between paths, or Access
Land entry points, and if they're as bad as the pavements round here
I'll be A over T in seconds.
>
>I might be up for a wander in the hills on Sunday or Monday after what
>looks like being another Boxing Day massacre at Hillsborouygh. :-(
As The Mighty Rovers are away on Boxing Day, I'm nipping to
Betws-y-Coed for a couple of days. I'll be back for the home game on
Monday. (We're third from bottom too...... but at least we're heading
in the right direction at last!)
Judith
Bill Grey
Hi Judith,
May I add Magic Spikers to the list. I've searched the web for these
recently and they are ferquently shown "Out of Stock", but they are
brilliant.
Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.
nm...@cam.ac.uk
Bill Grey <bill...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>"Judith" <no.spam.for....@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:uvm2j5ht60c456ut4...@4ax.com...
>> To avoid slipping on icy paths:
>>
>> Kahtoola Micro-spikes or Grivel Spiders.
>>
>> Discuss.
>
>recently and they are ferquently shown "Out of Stock", but they are
>brilliant.
I may get a set of Kahtoola Micro-spikes after Christmas, but a word
of warning about Magic Spikers. I haven't used them, but a lot of
people fall because their heels slip away, and they won't help at all
in such cases. They would be a disaster for me. I have no idea
what distinguishes the sort of person who walks in such a fashion
from one who doesn't.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Judith
<bill...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>May I add Magic Spikers to the list. I've searched the web for these
>recently and they are ferquently shown "Out of Stock", but they are
>brilliant.
I hadn't heard of those. I think, with that sort of "front only"
design, I'd have to walk with my heels raised in order to feel safe.
Thanks for the tip; I'll see what the shops have.
>
>Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.
Diolch.
Judith
Jhimmy
HTH
Jhimmy
Bill Grey
<nm...@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message news:hgu0ot$e7q$1...@ent.csi.cam.ac.uk...
I use mine on th roads at home when they are frozen over. The Spikers work
really well. I found that the recommended size was too tight so I went up
one size. No problem with heels slipping, and I live on quite a steep hill.
The Spikers give great confidence on iced roads or paths......and they are a
lot cheaper thatn some of the other grippers mentioned.
Bill
Bill Grey
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:44:57 -0000, "Bill Grey"
> <bill...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>May I add Magic Spikers to the list. I've searched the web for these
>>recently and they are ferquently shown "Out of Stock", but they are
>>brilliant.
>
> I hadn't heard of those. I think, with that sort of "front only"
> design, I'd have to walk with my heels raised in order to feel safe.
I have to say, I don't find that attitude necessary at all, I just walk
normally. Today, even walked on a smooth iced concrete path -I walked down
it confidently and safely.
>
> Thanks for the tip; I'll see what the shops have.
>
>>
>>Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.
>
> Diolch.
>
> Judith
Hwyl fawr
Bill
Judith
wrote:
>Yeah, use football boots and file the studs into spikes.
>
>HTH
Cheers Jhimmy, I'd have never thought of that!
Judith
PeterC
No chance - tried over the years to get football (or similar) boots and
even size 13 are much too narrow.
A pair of microspikes, methinks. Do they need some sort of material to stop
clogging?
Sean
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:54:36 +0000, Judith wrote:
>> Kahtoola Micro-spikes or Grivel Spiders.
> I'd like to know as well.
There's a short thread here that might interest you, particularly
Petestack's post(s) towards the end:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=384654
PeterC
Interesting thread with some good links, thank you.
Looks as if Microspikes, er, edge it, with Grivel Spiders also being
useful.
ISTR a mention somewhere about a fleecy anti-balling layer being needed. On
Monday, my boots were just to encase my feet, as the snow was warm and
fluffy; yesterday the snow was powdery and grip was OK (except where there
was ice, of course).
sandy saunders
>
> Kahtoola Micro-spikes or Grivel Spiders.
Clare and I bought some Kahtoola spikes
(http://www.kahtoola.com/microspikes.html) in November from George Fishers
in Keswick. Not used them yet, but likely to next week as we head for
Keswick Monday 28th for a week. Not cheap at 40 quid, but there is a good
set of spike under the sole and heel, which are thick and good size. Will
be handy instead of my crampons when walking on some low level paths, and
easier to put on/carry.
--
Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk
'Mountains or Mole Hills, summiting
still brings the same excitement!'
Bill Grey
"sandy saunders" <sandy.s...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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I wonder if anyone had used golf shoes with the (now) old fasioned spikes
for when the roads are iced up?
Bill Grey
Hi Judith,
I found this site today - something which looks even better than Magic
Spiker.
http://www.qvcuk.com/ukqic/qvcapp.aspx/app.detail/params.item.431812/walk.html.%7Cmetadrill,html
maybe will do the job for you.
Bill
Judith
<bill...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>I wonder if anyone had used golf shoes with the (now) old fasioned spikes
>for when the roads are iced up?
From yesterday's Daily Telegraph:
SIR Having slipped and slithered on the icy pavements, I suddenly
realised that the answer is in many a garden shed an old pair of golf
shoes.
The spikes either pierce the ice or provide much needed grip without
damaging the pavements.
However, if visiting friends it is advisable to take another pair of
shoes to avoid incurring the wrath of your host.
Tony Cleave
Reading, Berkshire
Boo
>
> Kahtoola Micro-spikes or Grivel Spiders.
Haven't tried either of those but I did buy a pair of Spiky Plus a few years
back. I can't remember where I got mine from but they are shown here:
<http://www.foothealthcare.com/acatalog/Spiky.html>.
They work great for iced up paths and I would use them on laid stone paths in
the freeze/thaw zone in places like the lake district as well. Much easier to
carry and put on than pukka crampons, they fit into my fleece's pocket without
too big a bulge. They wouldn't be much (or any really) use on the steep stuff
though...
Hth,
--
Boo
Simon Challands
Boo <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net> wrote:
> They work great for iced up paths and I would use them on laid stone paths in
> the freeze/thaw zone in places like the lake district as well.
Just one of the reasons I hate those "repairs". They can get lethally
slippy at this time of year - sometimes you find one iced stone when
the rest are merely damp, and it's hard to tell the difference until
you set foot on them. Still, at least they aren't quite as hideous an
eyesore as the outright vandalism done with mini-diggers and
road-building techniques. Someone needs shooting for that.
--
Simon Challands
Boo
> slippy at this time of year - sometimes you find one iced stone when
> the rest are merely damp, and it's hard to tell the difference until
> you set foot on them. Still, at least they aren't quite as hideous an
> eyesore as the outright vandalism done with mini-diggers and
> road-building techniques. Someone needs shooting for that.
I don't think I've seen those, would you care to post a link or so ?
I don't mind the normal laid stone paths (except for the reasons you mention) -
they fade quite nicely into the surroundings IMO and don't look as bad as the
expanding scar that results from people skirting round the edges of the path
when there is nothing there at all (again, IMHO).
--
Boo
Simon Challands
Boo <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net> wrote:
>> Just one of the reasons I hate those "repairs". They can get lethally
>> slippy at this time of year - sometimes you find one iced stone when
>> the rest are merely damp, and it's hard to tell the difference until
>> you set foot on them. Still, at least they aren't quite as hideous an
>> eyesore as the outright vandalism done with mini-diggers and
>> road-building techniques. Someone needs shooting for that.
> I don't think I've seen those, would you care to post a link or so ?
http://www.helvellyn.plus.com/temp/SG1L4309.jpg
http://www.helvellyn.plus.com/temp/SG1L4315.jpg
http://www.helvellyn.plus.com/temp/SG1L4318.jpg
High Street / Kentmere area.
> I don't mind the normal laid stone paths (except for the reasons you
> mention) -
> they fade quite nicely into the surroundings IMO and don't look as bad as the
> expanding scar that results from people skirting round the edges of the path
> when there is nothing there at all (again, IMHO).
I find them pretty objectionable mostly because I don't like anything
so artificial which isn't already part of the surroundings. I know
it's inconsistent, but that's the way it goes. A farmer putting a
fence up doesn't bother me. Old mines don't (but that could be because
I'm interested in them in their own right). Such built paths do,
although from a distance they certainly blend in very well and look
much better than the previous scar. Most of the worst damage appears
to be started by walkers and finished by water, I can't help wondering
if filling in the holes and a little bit of drainage work would be
better (there's a good example of that up to Angle Tarn, although last
year or so that was spoiled by one of the above-like examples).
I'd prefer they just filled in the scars of the old ones, though,
perhaps with some temporary fencing until the scars faded, but that
would be an ongoing job to do it properly and the aim appears to be to
do anything that won't require further work. That said, they don't
entirely remove people skirting round. It looks like some people avoid
them because they are often very uncomfortable on the feet.
Another thing that depresses me about the whole business is that it's
been taken far too far, and paths that aren't a problem have been
"repaired". Prevention is not better than cure in this case IMO.
--
Simon Challands
mechanic
> Judith wrote:
>> To avoid slipping on icy paths:
>>
>> Kahtoola Micro-spikes or Grivel Spiders.
>>
>> Discuss.
>
> No experience of either, but various folk on Outdoors Magic's
> Forums seem to be most impressed with the Kahtoolas to the extent
> it would be my first choice of the two.
But where are they actually in stock in the UK? Other than the
smaller sizes I can't see any on the usual sites.
--
mechanic
PeterC
This place seems to have them (I added them to the 'basket' and went to the
next stage), the price is reasonable and it looks as if carriage is
included:
http://shop.sand-baggers.com/kahtoola-microspikes-332-p.asp
Peter Clinch
I found that too. I think I can /just/ see why there's been a run
on them though! ;-)
Bill Grey
"Peter Clinch" <p.j.c...@dundee.ac.uk> wrote in message
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You could try Joe brown's at Llanberis. I know they' ve had size L in but
are waiting for size M
Definitely needed here in Swansea - on the pavements in town !
Bill
mechanic
Thanks!
--
mechanic
Yo$$1960
> This place seems to have them (I added them to the 'basket' and went to
> the next stage), the price is reasonable and it looks as if carriage is
When doing such tests, I always add several million of the item to the
basket to see if the order is accepted without comment. If it is accepted,
I assume online stock checking isn't done.
Trying the above technique at Sandbaggers shows they'll take your order
for 10 million pairs, without comment. Therefore, it seems highly
unlikely that online stock checking isn't performed by their system. Of
course, that doesn't mean they can't fulfil a sensible order, but you need
to be aware of the possibility of receiving an email saying "out of
stock", or having a long wait for delivery.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
He looked the wrong way at a policeman
I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs
Judith
wrote:
>> This place seems to have them (I added them to the 'basket' and went to
>> the next stage), the price is reasonable and it looks as if carriage is
>
>When doing such tests, I always add several million of the item to the
>basket to see if the order is accepted without comment. If it is accepted,
>I assume online stock checking isn't done.
That's a good tip. I am about to get quite cross with an online
retailer who took my money quickly enough but has still not sent me
the goods. A quick check of the website shows that they're quite
happy for me to buy 10,000 of the same item......so I suspect they're
out of stock despite their assurance they dispatched my order on the
4th (after taking my money on the 2nd). I shall give them the benefit
of the snowy, icy doubt until Monday morning.
Judith
PeterC
> On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:19:02 +0000, PeterC wrote:
>
>> This place seems to have them (I added them to the 'basket' and went to
>> the next stage), the price is reasonable and it looks as if carriage is
>
> When doing such tests, I always add several million of the item to the
> basket to see if the order is accepted without comment. If it is accepted,
> I assume online stock checking isn't done.
>
> Trying the above technique at Sandbaggers shows they'll take your order
> for 10 million pairs, without comment. Therefore, it seems highly
> unlikely that online stock checking isn't performed by their system. Of
> course, that doesn't mean they can't fulfil a sensible order, but you need
> to be aware of the possibility of receiving an email saying "out of
> stock", or having a long wait for delivery.
Like it! Yes, I've ordered 'in stock' items, then had a message...
Never trust computers.
Yo$$1960
> That's a good tip. I am about to get quite cross with an online retailer
Thanks.
> their assurance they dispatched my order on the 4th (after taking my money
> on the 2nd). I shall give them the benefit of the snowy, icy doubt until
Well, they /could/ have despatched the goods, but given the current
weather situation, postal delivery is far from guaranteed. For example,
we haven't seen a postman where I live since Monday.
If I wanted my post, I'd have to collect it. That's likely to remain the
case until Tuesday or Wednesday. Even that presupposes the weather
doesn't worsen, of course.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
Going round on the Circle Line trying to find a way out
Titanic (My Over) Reaction - 999
Yo$$1960
> Like it! Yes, I've ordered 'in stock' items, then had a message... Never
> trust computers.
Same here. That's why I do the "stupidly large" order with any new
company I deal with.
Companies like Amazon may have their faults, but at least you know in
advance the stock situation.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
But they didn't tell him the first two didn't count
Tin Soldiers - Stiff Little Fingers
Judith
wrote:
>
>> their assurance they dispatched my order on the 4th (after taking my money
>> on the 2nd). I shall give them the benefit of the snowy, icy doubt until
>
>Well, they /could/ have despatched the goods, but given the current
>weather situation, postal delivery is far from guaranteed. For example,
>we haven't seen a postman where I live since Monday.
I wrote a really snotty email this morning, after the postman had
been, and told them that I was not happy with them taking my money but
not sending the goods.
I then rewrote it and said I realised that the weather could be
causing problems so I'd be grateful if they would reply to my
previous email and give me the tracking number so I could find out
where my parcel was,
An hour later it turned up! As I could have paid extra for a
guaranteed Saturday delivery, I think it probably was held up by the
weather.
Patience is a virtue, apparently.
Judith
Phil Cook
>That's a good tip. I am about to get quite cross with an online
>retailer who took my money quickly enough but has still not sent me
>the goods. A quick check of the website shows that they're quite
>happy for me to buy 10,000 of the same item......so I suspect they're
>out of stock despite their assurance they dispatched my order on the
>4th (after taking my money on the 2nd). I shall give them the benefit
>of the snowy, icy doubt until Monday morning.
Bear in mind the postie may be having trouble getting them to you.
Some places have been concentrating on letters since it takes longer
to do a round over lying snow and then the posties may not have been
able to get to work at all. The level of work in my office is a bit
erratic at the moment, days that should be lighter have been heavier
and vice versa.
--
Phil Cook, last hill: Cadair Idris in the mist.
http://www.therewaslight.co.uk
Bill Grey
"Phil Cook" <ph...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6behk55vtpc0aorkm...@4ax.com...
> Bear in mind the postie may be having trouble getting them to you.
> Some places have been concentrating on letters since it takes longer
> to do a round over lying snow and then the posties may not have been
> able to get to work at all. The level of work in my office is a bit
> erratic at the moment, days that should be lighter have been heavier
> and vice versa.
> --
> Phil Cook, last hill: Cadair Idris in the mist.
> http://www.therewaslight.co.uk
Hi Phil,
I appreciate the various problems postmen may have, but even in the height
of summer our regular postie usually delivers about 13.30 hours. When he's
on holiday or off for any other reason, his replacement delivers at about
09.30.
I take it one sees the delivery route differently from the other !
Bill
Phil Cook
>
>"Phil Cook" <ph...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:6behk55vtpc0aorkm...@4ax.com...
>> Bear in mind the postie may be having trouble getting them to you.
>I appreciate the various problems postmen may have, but even in the height
>of summer our regular postie usually delivers about 13.30 hours. When he's
>on holiday or off for any other reason, his replacement delivers at about
>09.30.
>
>I take it one sees the delivery route differently from the other !
Yes, those two times are roughly speaking at opposite ends of the
round 13.30 is the theoretical end time of a single delivery. So the
regular postie is going from A to B but the cover is doing it from B
to A. It will depend on where the postie wants to go afterwards which
way round they do it or which way is easiest if they are doing two
rounds. We all have our own way of doing things dependant on bag
drops, trolley parking, car parking or where the bus home stops.
Judith
<ph...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> It will depend on where the postie wants to go afterwards which
>way round they do it or which way is easiest if they are doing two
>rounds. We all have our own way of doing things dependant on bag
>drops, trolley parking, car parking or where the bus home stops.
.....and Spanish Practices.
<d&rfc>
J
Yo$$1960
> I wrote a really snotty email this morning, after the postman had been,
> and told them that I was not happy with them taking my money but not
> sending the goods.
That sort of thing bugs me too. Sadly, it's not illegal. More's the pity.
> Patience is a virtue, apparently.
Indeed. Unfortunately, it's something I lack. :-(
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
I must be hallucinating, watching angels celebrating
There Must Be An Angel (Playing With My Heart) - Eurythmics
Yo$$1960
> Bear in mind the postie may be having trouble getting them to you. Some
Indeed. See other posts by Judith and myself.
Phil Cook
>.....and Spanish Practices.
>
><d&rfc>
Perhaps the regular postie is taking a siesta :-)
Bill Grey
It could have something to do with the fact that our regular postie lives
just up the road from me and he gets here ust about lunch time :-)
Bill
Bill Grey
> Judith wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:22:54 +0000, Phil Cook
>><ph...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> It will depend on where the postie wants to go afterwards which
>>>way round they do it or which way is easiest if they are doing two
>>>rounds. We all have our own way of doing things dependant on bag
>>>drops, trolley parking, car parking or where the bus home stops.
>
>>.....and Spanish Practices.
>>
>><d&rfc>
>
> Perhaps the regular postie is taking a siesta :-)
That just about sums it up methinks :-)
Bill
Peter Clinch
> On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:19:02 +0000, PeterC wrote:
>
>> This place seems to have them (I added them to the 'basket' and went to
>> the next stage), the price is reasonable and it looks as if carriage is
>
> When doing such tests, I always add several million of the item to the
> basket to see if the order is accepted without comment. If it is accepted,
> I assume online stock checking isn't done.
>
> Trying the above technique at Sandbaggers shows they'll take your order
> for 10 million pairs, without comment. Therefore, it seems highly
> unlikely that online stock checking isn't performed by their system. Of
> course, that doesn't mean they can't fulfil a sensible order, but you need
> to be aware of the possibility of receiving an email saying "out of
> stock", or having a long wait for delivery.
I use some appallingly stone-aged technology called a "telephone" to
check this sort of thing when there's not a clear note of stock level on
a site.
Works quite well, worked at Sandbaggers...
Yo$$1960
> I use some appallingly stone-aged technology called a "telephone" to check
> this sort of thing when there's not a clear note of stock level on a site.
Yes, it'll work, but entails extra costs; call charges, time, etc. Plus,
as already noted elsewhere, I'm an impatient so-and-so, so contacting
someone twice (web site then 'phone) to find out a piece of information
rankles.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
This disease is catching
Into The Valley - Skids
nm...@cam.ac.uk
Yo$$1960 <br...@yoss1960.ukfsn.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:33:47 +0000, Peter Clinch wrote:
>
>> I use some appallingly stone-aged technology called a "telephone" to check
>> this sort of thing when there's not a clear note of stock level on a site.
>
>Yes, it'll work, but entails extra costs; call charges, time, etc. Plus,
>as already noted elsewhere, I'm an impatient so-and-so, so contacting
>someone twice (web site then 'phone) to find out a piece of information
>rankles.
Actually, it works only if they have an even older piece of technology
installed at the far end, known as a "semi-intelligent human being",
and they have provided that human being with the data.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Peter Clinch
> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:33:47 +0000, Peter Clinch wrote:
>
>> I use some appallingly stone-aged technology called a "telephone" to check
>> this sort of thing when there's not a clear note of stock level on a site.
>
> Yes, it'll work, but entails extra costs; call charges, time, etc. Plus,
> as already noted elsewhere, I'm an impatient so-and-so, so contacting
> someone twice (web site then 'phone) to find out a piece of information
> rankles.
Indeed. But given a choice of places who do everything as I want /plus/
people who are basically sound but a little behind, or just places who
do everything as I want, I'll take the bigger choice.
robert
one postie, and thus the timing depends on how it fits in with their
normal round.
Yo$$1960
> Actually, it works only if they have an even older piece of technology
> installed at the far end, known as a "semi-intelligent human being", and
> they have provided that human being with the data.
True. :-)
However, I benefit the person I'm speaking to with intelligence. Or at
least, a modicum of intelligence, until they prove otherwise.
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Yo$$1960
> Indeed. But given a choice of places who do everything as I want /plus/
> people who are basically sound but a little behind, or just places who do
> everything as I want, I'll take the bigger choice.
Don't blame you.
Getting back on topic;
Today, my spikes arrived. There's still plenty of snow & ice around for
me to try them out, too. It'll have to wait until tomorrow, though.
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nm...@cam.ac.uk
Yo$$1960 <br...@yoss1960.ukfsn.org> wrote:
>
>> Actually, it works only if they have an even older piece of technology
>> installed at the far end, known as a "semi-intelligent human being", and
>> they have provided that human being with the data.
>
>True. :-)
>
>However, I benefit the person I'm speaking to with intelligence. Or at
>least, a modicum of intelligence, until they prove otherwise.
So do I. Sometimes it rapidly becomes clear that it isn't there.
More often, it becomes clear that their management lacks it - such
as when the telephone operator for a store has no connexion with
the store except through the same Web interface the customers get.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
robert
> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:43:25 +0000, Peter Clinch wrote:
>
>> Indeed. But given a choice of places who do everything as I want /plus/
>> people who are basically sound but a little behind, or just places who do
>> everything as I want, I'll take the bigger choice.
>
> Don't blame you.
>
> Getting back on topic;
>
> Today, my spikes arrived. There's still plenty of snow & ice around for
> me to try them out, too. It'll have to wait until tomorrow, though.
>
large poster on the door saying
" ALL Crampons must be removed before entering "
Yo$$1960
> They are so popular now that the Booths supermarket in Keswick now has a
> large poster on the door saying
> " ALL Crampons must be removed before entering "
LOL! Don't blame 'em, TBH. We've got wooden floors at home, and my life
wouldn't be worth living if I wore my spikes indoors.
I used them today, taking kids to school. Much benefit was gained,
traction-wise, due to wearing them. I doubt I'll need them this
afternoon, as the rain is washing snow off the road. Of course, the hill
will be like glass tomorrow morning, I suspect.
Kids still skidded everywhere, but they're young enough to bounce, still. :-)
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Gordon H
<pan.2010.01.12....@yoss1960.eternal-september.org>,
Yo$$1960 <br...@yoss1960.ukfsn.org> writes
>On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:21:50 +0000, nmm1 wrote:
>
>> Actually, it works only if they have an even older piece of technology
>> installed at the far end, known as a "semi-intelligent human being", and
>> they have provided that human being with the data.
>
>True. :-)
>
>However, I benefit the person I'm speaking to with intelligence. Or at
>least, a modicum of intelligence, until they prove otherwise.
>
unreasonable customers.
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Gordon H
<pan.2010.01.09....@yoss1960.eternal-september.org>,
Yo$$1960 <br...@yoss1960.ukfsn.org> writes
>On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 07:17:07 +0000, PeterC wrote:
>
>> Like it! Yes, I've ordered 'in stock' items, then had a message... Never
>> trust computers.
>
>Same here. That's why I do the "stupidly large" order with any new
>company I deal with.
>
Does anyone want to buy 9,999 boxes of staples?
Gordon H
<bill...@btinternet.com> writes
>
>It could have something to do with the fact that our regular postie lives
>just up the road from me and he gets here ust about lunch time :-)
>
>Bill
>
Gordon H
<rob...@invalid.invalid> writes
There's a crampon rack outside my local pub. You have to put a pound
in the locking clamp, but you get it back after you've paid for a round
of drinks for us all.
;-)
Phil Cook
>In message <-JadnT34eOLdw9fW...@bt.com>, Bill Grey
><bill...@btinternet.com> writes
>>
>>It could have something to do with the fact that our regular postie lives
>>just up the road from me and he gets here ust about lunch time :-)
>>
>>Bill
>>
>I would always start delivering from the far end of my round.
I'd start at the place nearest the office so I had to carry/push the
load the least distance. If he lives near the round it makes sense to
finish close to home on the off chance he doesn't have to go back to
the office with a 739 [1].
13.30 is finish time for a 5.30 start on a five day week [2] and
delivering mail at that time is within the mealy mouthed specification
of "around lunchtime" stated by Royal Mail.
[1] That's postie speak for an undeliverable item or the notice left
card he leaves when you (allegedly) aren't in. So called because of
its form mumber, P739.
[2] Five days attendance out of six, rotating rest day.
Peter Clinch
> I used them today, taking kids to school. Much benefit was gained,
> traction-wise, due to wearing them.
Mine arrived today (having bought a pair for Roos too we had a free
energy bar... looks like the health benefits will be from heavy
chewing exercise, but I digress...), and there's hardly any ice
left here, but there is a terrific wet sheet still around the
corner and having verified they go on to trail shoes easily I
verified you can skip jauntily across ice without falling over.
And they come off easily (when you want them as opposed to when you
don't) too, so even if they'll have to wait a bit for Their Moment
they look like very good kit and I'm duly impressed.
Wish we'd have had them on our honeymoon trek in Norway, they'd
have been perfect for the snow sections on that.
Yo$$1960
> So do I, and I don't envy them having to deal with impatient or
> unreasonable customers.
Nor do I. You couldn't pay me enough to work as a member of the
front-line sales force, be it telephone support, shop assistant, bar
staff, etc.
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Yo$$1960
> when you don't) too, so even if they'll have to wait a bit for Their
> Moment they look like very good kit and I'm duly impressed.
As am I (I neglected to state that specifically in my other post).
SWMBO moaned about the cost, though. Despite the fact I paid for them.
However, as they'll last a good few years, and are far, far cheaper than
buying full crampons and the boots to go with them, she soon came round.
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