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Fred Drake

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Nov 10, 2004, 10:48:30 PM11/10/04
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A Wigan pensioner has been banned from every B&Q store in Britain
after complaining about being overcharged.

Ronald Helsby was given a refund after being charged £45 too much for
wood but was overcharged by £1.50 the next time.

The 67-year-old ex-builder said: "All I did was to ask the boy on the
till if his knickers were tight because he was going on and on like my
old lady."

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Fred

Dewi

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Nov 11, 2004, 2:55:39 AM11/11/04
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:48:30 +0000, Fred Drake
<fred.dra...@hotmail.com> uttered:

So it wasn't because of the over charging, but the insulting
behaviour.


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Mike Cawood, HND BIT

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Nov 11, 2004, 4:09:26 AM11/11/04
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"Fred Drake" <fred.dra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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With insulting behaviour like that, he deserved to be banned.
Regards Mike.

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Lobster

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Nov 11, 2004, 4:12:56 AM11/11/04
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"Tone" <to...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>The 67-year-old ex-builder said: "All I did was to ask the boy on the
>>>till if his knickers were tight because he was going on and on like my
>>>old lady."
>>So it wasn't because of the over charging, but the insulting
>>behaviour.
>
> The problem these days is that when someone fucks up, and you take a
> poke at them for it, they get on their high horse and start spouting
> things like '"you cant speak to me like that"

Yeah but there are limits as to the reasonable level of 'poke' aren't there?
Everyone naturally takes the side of the 'little man' versus the big
corporate, but it's not been made public exactly what was done or said and
my guess is that for B&Q to go to the trouble of getting an injunction
against the guy entering any of their stores, it must have been quite
something!?

David


Adrian Boliston

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Nov 11, 2004, 4:22:14 AM11/11/04
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"Lobster" <davidlobs...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah but there are limits as to the reasonable level of 'poke' aren't
> there? Everyone naturally takes the side of the 'little man' versus
> the big corporate, but it's not been made public exactly what was
> done or said and my guess is that for B&Q to go to the trouble of
> getting an injunction against the guy entering any of their stores,
> it must have been quite something!?

I thought it was a ban rather than an injunction!


mike

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Nov 11, 2004, 4:59:33 AM11/11/04
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> The problem these days is that when someone fucks up, and you take a
> poke at them for it, they get on their high horse and start spouting
> things like '"you cant speak to me like that"
>
Most of the till staff in the Wigan B&Q superstore last sunday appeared to
be about 16
They are just kids who have no control over the price that comes up on the
system when they scan the barcode - the miserable old git should have
addressed a complaint to the management rather than insulting the first
person to hand

Cumberpach

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Nov 11, 2004, 5:17:24 AM11/11/04
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"Tone" <to...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> The problem these days is that when someone fucks up, and you take a
> poke at them for it, they get on their high horse and start spouting
> things like '"you cant speak to me like that"
>
Overcharging versus undercharging. I would say that the ratio is at least 5
: 1 in favour of the supermarket, DIY store etc. Of course would 'Joe
Public' report an undercharging and offer to pay the difference ?
45 pence = overcharging.......... but 45 quids !!

Pete


Dave Plowman (News)

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Nov 11, 2004, 4:45:50 AM11/11/04
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In article <cmva7q$rdg$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>,

"Mike Cawood, HND BIT" <mi...@cawood.nospaam.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> With insulting behaviour like that, he deserved to be banned.

Someone tries to steal from you and you're supposed to be polite to them?

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Dave Plowman (News)

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Nov 11, 2004, 4:44:23 AM11/11/04
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In article <6ooop0lp6muinbbri...@4ax.com>,

Tone <to...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> The problem these days is that when someone fucks up, and you take a
> poke at them for it, they get on their high horse and start spouting
> things like '"you cant speak to me like that"

After having three things to complain about at car service time - oil
leak not fixed but charged for, oil level on minimum after a supposed
change, and near new microfilters being changed when neither being needed
by the service schedule or because they were dirty, I phoned up to
complain. I was told by the service manager to bring the car back so they
could re-fit the old filters before getting a re-fund on that part of the
bill. He said this was company policy. I said if that was their policy,
then they were a bunch of wankers.

Subsequent letters from the company mentioned my use of abusive language.
But never a genuine apology for what amounts to fraud at worst or just
downright incompetence at best.

Since they feel the need to protect their service manager in this way, I
can only conclude they are the instigator of such shoddy work.

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Dave Plowman (News)

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Nov 11, 2004, 5:58:34 AM11/11/04
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In article <cmvd5a$jgp$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>,

mike <nos...@please.net> wrote:
> Most of the till staff in the Wigan B&Q superstore last sunday appeared
> to be about 16
> They are just kids who have no control over the price
> that comes up on the system when they scan the barcode - the miserable
> old git should have addressed a complaint to the management rather than
> insulting the first person to hand

I'm sure they'll learn the various scams long before anything else, though.

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Nov 11, 2004, 6:44:22 AM11/11/04
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:48:30 +0000, Fred Drake
<fred.dra...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>A Wigan pensioner has been banned from every B&Q store in Britain
>after complaining about being overcharged.

That'll save him the bother of taking his business elsewhere because
they keep overcharging him, then :-)

Guy
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bigjon

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Nov 11, 2004, 7:17:26 AM11/11/04
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Dave Plowman (News) decided to add:

> In article <cmvd5a$jgp$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> mike <nos...@please.net> wrote:
>> Most of the till staff in the Wigan B&Q superstore last sunday appeared
>> to be about 16
>> They are just kids who have no control over the price
>> that comes up on the system when they scan the barcode - the miserable
>> old git should have addressed a complaint to the management rather than
>> insulting the first person to hand
>
> I'm sure they'll learn the various scams long before anything else, though.

I love the "younger" Wigan B&Q staff - nine times out of ten we get a
bargain as the silly kids cant do the job and always miss something out..
HAHA
Sod 'em !!

WN2
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Hiram Hackenbacker

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Nov 11, 2004, 7:25:34 AM11/11/04
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On 11 Nov 2004 04:03:16 -0800, ka...@mwfree.net (Kevin) wrote:

>> >A Wigan pensioner has been banned from every B&Q store in Britain
>> >after complaining about being overcharged.
>> >
>> >Ronald Helsby was given a refund after being charged £45 too much for
>> >wood but was overcharged by £1.50 the next time.
>> >
>> >The 67-year-old ex-builder said: "All I did was to ask the boy on the
>> >till if his knickers were tight because he was going on and on like my
>> >old lady."
>> So it wasn't because of the over charging, but the insulting
>> behaviour.
>

>Its hardly a big loss to be banned from B&Q.

I wonder if they have sent his photograph to all the other stores?

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Geoffrey Mortimer

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Nov 11, 2004, 8:07:02 AM11/11/04
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"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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The son of a friend of mine worked for a while in a branch of a well-known
pizza chain, in Leicester. He was instructed by his manager to short change
customers. Another place where they regularly do this is in some of the bars
in Gatwick and Heathrow Airports (funnily enough no-one's ever tried it on
me at Stansted) - I always make sure either I give them the right money or I
make a point of apologising for oversized notes, stating their denomination
in the process.


Ron Clark

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Nov 11, 2004, 8:35:01 AM11/11/04
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:22:14 -0000, "Adrian Boliston"
<adr...@boliston.co.uk> wrote this, or at least some of this:

I thought that too. It was a Manager's decision.

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Ron Clark

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Nov 11, 2004, 8:38:53 AM11/11/04
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:25:34 GMT, mela...@uoa.com (Hiram
Hackenbacker) wrote this, or at least some of this:

>>> >The 67-year-old ex-builder said: "All I did was to ask the boy on the
>>> >till if his knickers were tight because he was going on and on like my
>>> >old lady."
>>> So it wasn't because of the over charging, but the insulting
>>> behaviour.
>>
>>Its hardly a big loss to be banned from B&Q.
>
>I wonder if they have sent his photograph to all the other stores?

Some newspapers helpfully printed a photo and TV helpfully interviewed
him this am I believe

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david_dance

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Nov 11, 2004, 9:34:42 AM11/11/04
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"Dewi" <n...@spin.wynwilliams.spin.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:48:30 +0000, Fred Drake
> <fred.dra...@hotmail.com> uttered:
>
> >A Wigan pensioner has been banned from every B&Q store in Britain.
............ The 67-year-old ex-builder said: "All I did was to ask the boy

on the till if his knickers were tight because he was going on and on like
my old lady."

The pensioner shot himself in the foot. If you are going to complain,
maintain an unimpeachable civility throughout.


Guy King

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Nov 11, 2004, 7:37:00 AM11/11/04
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The message <2vgshmF...@uni-berlin.de>
from "Cumberpach" <firstplatz.@virgin.net> contains these words:

> Of course would 'Joe Public' report an undercharging and offer to pay
> the difference ?

I have before now - and got very strange looks for it.

I'm still waiting for eBuyer to reply to my note telling 'em that
they've sent me two 256Meg RAMsticks but only charged me for the one
I've ordered. They don't seem in any hurry.

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And the word was Aardvark.


Guy King

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Nov 11, 2004, 10:02:01 AM11/11/04
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The message <6MKkd.118$XN1...@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>
from "david_dance" <david...@ntlworld.com> contains these words:

> The pensioner shot himself in the foot. If you are going to complain,
> maintain an unimpeachable civility throughout.

A friend of mine reckons the time to be really wary of me is when I'm
being very soft spoken and scrupulously polite.

Guy King

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Nov 11, 2004, 10:00:53 AM11/11/04
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The message <2vh6fnF...@uni-berlin.de>
from "Geoffrey Mortimer" <m...@privacy.net> contains these words:

> He was instructed by his manager to short change customers.

There's a newsagents near here which has shortchanged me on the two
occasions I've been in there. They won't get a third chance.

Malcolm Knight

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Nov 11, 2004, 10:37:15 AM11/11/04
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"Geoffrey Mortimer" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> The son of a friend of mine worked for a while in a branch of a well-known
> pizza chain, in Leicester. He was instructed by his manager to short
change
> customers.

The best chain-store scam I came across was when I discovered my
octagenarian aunt complaining that her bank was issuing her with counterfeit
tenners. She had been going to the bank to withdraw just enough to cover her
needs in the nearby supermarket. The checkout staff held the tenners to the
ceiling and pronounced them duds and confiscated them. Only after it
happened twice did she complain to the bank and to me and not soon enough to
do anything about it. A nice little earner for the staff of Sainsbury in
East Ham High Street preying on little old ladies. Since then she won't get
notes out of the bank and goes round with bags of pound coins as if they are
somehow immune from the same trick.
--
Malcolm


Dave Plowman (News)

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Nov 11, 2004, 10:39:02 AM11/11/04
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In article <3130303034323...@zetnet.co.uk>,

Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> A friend of mine reckons the time to be really wary of me is when I'm
> being very soft spoken and scrupulously polite.

Right. We'll have no reason to be wary, then?

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Helen Deborah Vecht

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Nov 11, 2004, 11:59:26 AM11/11/04
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Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>typed

> There's a newsagents near here which has shortchanged me on the two
> occasions I've been in there. They won't get a third chance.

Extract of emu received from 12 year old nephew last night re his Bar
Mitzvah etc:

---------------------

Dear hele

The invitations are either in a postbox or van or in a postman's private
vault with our four credit cards, a DVD of Lod Of The Rings:The Return Of
tHe King, a Harry Potter % book and a cheque book of ours,

--------------------

Do not post stuff to London NW11 if you wish it to arrive...

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Edgware.

Mike Ross

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Nov 11, 2004, 12:43:30 PM11/11/04
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:37:15 -0000, "Malcolm Knight"
<my2in...@spam-trap.co.uk> wrote:

>A nice little earner for the staff of Sainsbury in
>East Ham High Street preying on little old ladies.

That's about as low as it gets... if Sainsbury and police can't/won't
do anything, I'd think seriously about dealing with it myself, one
dark night...

Mike
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Malcolm Knight

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Nov 11, 2004, 1:01:15 PM11/11/04
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"Mike Ross" <mi...@corestore.org> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:37:15 -0000, "Malcolm Knight"
> <my2in...@spam-trap.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >A nice little earner for the staff of Sainsbury in
> >East Ham High Street preying on little old ladies.
>
> That's about as low as it gets... if Sainsbury and police can't/won't
> do anything, I'd think seriously about dealing with it myself, one
> dark night...

It was a while before she told me anything about it, you know how old people
can be ashamed of their follies. She certainly didn't want any more stress
and humiliation. I suppose the blighters count on that sort of thing. I've
recently tried to explain the concept of debit cards otherwise she is going
to be brought down by the weight of all those pound coins. :-)
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Kate Dicey

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Nov 11, 2004, 8:56:49 AM11/11/04
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Mike Cawood, HND BIT wrote:

> "Fred Drake" <fred.dra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hon5p09ueu9k9ov3e...@4ax.com...


>
>>A Wigan pensioner has been banned from every B&Q store in Britain
>>after complaining about being overcharged.
>>
>>Ronald Helsby was given a refund after being charged £45 too much for
>>wood but was overcharged by £1.50 the next time.
>>

>>The 67-year-old ex-builder said: "All I did was to ask the boy on the
>>till if his knickers were tight because he was going on and on like my
>>old lady."
>>

>>--
>>Fred


>
>
> With insulting behaviour like that, he deserved to be banned.

> Regards Mike.

If I were his wife, I'd ban him too.
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Kate Dicey

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Nov 11, 2004, 9:06:02 AM11/11/04
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> In article <cmva7q$rdg$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "Mike Cawood, HND BIT" <mi...@cawood.nospaam.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>With insulting behaviour like that, he deserved to be banned.
>
>
> Someone tries to steal from you and you're supposed to be polite to them?
>

You get a much better class of apology if you manage to be seriously
insulting without resorting to calling the oiks at the cash till silly
names. A nicely (in the old fashioned sense) worded letter to the
company directors usually prods the minions into action.

Harry The Horse

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"Malcolm Knight" <my2in...@spam-trap.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> The best chain-store scam I came across was when I discovered my
> octagenarian aunt complaining that her bank was issuing her with
counterfeit
> tenners. She had been going to the bank to withdraw just enough to cover
her
> needs in the nearby supermarket. The checkout staff held the tenners to
the
> ceiling and pronounced them duds and confiscated them. Only after it
> happened twice did she complain to the bank and to me and not soon enough
to
> do anything about it. A nice little earner for the staff of Sainsbury in
> East Ham High Street preying on little old ladies.
>
Morally no different from breaking into her house and thieving the money
from her purse. My elderly mother suffered once from that at Sainburys.
Fortunately I was with her and demanded that they return the note and
threatened to call the police if they did not. They returned it with
ill-grace. Of course the note was 100 percent genuine. I suspect that this
may be a very common fraud.


oiorpata

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Nov 11, 2004, 1:33:49 PM11/11/04
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:59:26 GMT, Helen Deborah Vecht
<helen...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

>Extract of emu received from 12 year old nephew last night re his Bar
>Mitzvah etc:
>
>---------------------
>
>Dear hele
>
>The invitations are either in a postbox or van or in a postman's private
>vault with our four credit cards, a DVD of Lod Of The Rings:The Return Of
>tHe King, a Harry Potter % book and a cheque book of ours,
>
>--------------------
>
>Do not post stuff to London NW11 if you wish it to arrive...

What on earth are they doing with the poor posties? They're all
having nervous breakdowns trying to get the post delivered on their
rounds.

One area of Swansea started getting their post in the evenings, turned
out the postie was going round on his own time, cos he couldn't get it
all done in his jbexing hours. Then there's the one in Mumbles who was
dumping bags of post in a quarry pit, cos he was so stressed.

S'not right, when are they going to have time to cadge glasses of
sherry at crimble, and keep the birthrates steady with their extra
services to bored housewives? S'the end of another grate tradition
innit?
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Dave Plowman (News)

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Nov 11, 2004, 1:54:28 PM11/11/04
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In article <a7076635.04111...@posting.google.com>,

N. Thornton <big...@meeow.co.uk> wrote:
> > Since they feel the need to protect their service manager in this
> > way, I can only conclude they are the instigator of such shoddy work.

> Such scamming is common I'm afraid, the car trade is a mess. Knowledge
> is needed to avoid getting caught out repeatedly.

My dealer keeps on changing hands - it's on the third owner since I bought
the car. I keep on giving them the benefit of the doubt and trying the new
one. Although much of the staff will be the same.

But no more. It's out of warranty and not cost effective to keep up the
dealer history, so I'll be servicing it myself in future.

The strange thing was that they were quite superb when selling me the car
- I was impressed.

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Dave Plowman (News)

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Nov 11, 2004, 1:49:56 PM11/11/04
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In article <4193a95a$0$525$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>,

Kate Dicey <ka...@diceyhome.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
> > Someone tries to steal from you and you're supposed to be polite to
> > them?
> >
> You get a much better class of apology if you manage to be seriously
> insulting without resorting to calling the oiks at the cash till silly
> names. A nicely (in the old fashioned sense) worded letter to the
> company directors usually prods the minions into action.

If you read my earlier post about complaining to a garage, their parent
company and the car maker, I'm not so sure. It will depend on how much
they value their reputation. Garages seem to believe they have every right
to rip off their customers.

Never had a problem with B&Q.

Bought a flat pack filing cabinet from Homebase (in the Sainsbury days)
and then decided I wanted a second matching one. But it was now
discontinued. Found a display one which I bought but found missing some
bits that would be hard to replace. The branch offered a refund, but no
help in getting the missing parts. Wrote to head office and got a complete
hardware pack for one by return and free of charge. That was excellent
service as I'd paid well under the list price for the ex display one which
was otherwise fine.

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Lobster

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Nov 11, 2004, 2:11:27 PM11/11/04
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"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4d0c1a0...@davenoise.co.uk...

> In article <cmva7q$rdg$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "Mike Cawood, HND BIT" <mi...@cawood.nospaam.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> With insulting behaviour like that, he deserved to be banned.
>
> Someone tries to steal from you and you're supposed to be polite to them?

- alternatively -

Someone makes a genuine error and you're supposed to be polite to them?

"Yes" IMHO


Grimly Curmudgeon

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Nov 11, 2004, 2:22:06 PM11/11/04
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It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>
saying something like:

>> Of course would 'Joe Public' report an undercharging and offer to pay
>> the difference ?
>
>I have before now - and got very strange looks for it.
>
>I'm still waiting for eBuyer to reply to my note telling 'em that
>they've sent me two 256Meg RAMsticks but only charged me for the one
>I've ordered. They don't seem in any hurry.

Heh. A supplier sent me a ten-pack of 10m Ethernet cables instead of the
one I'd ordered. I phoned them to let them know and they just told me to
keep them, since it was too much hassle to rectify the paperwork.

I still trade with them in the hope they repeat that sometime...

Grimly Curmudgeon

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Nov 11, 2004, 2:23:22 PM11/11/04
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It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Mike Cawood, HND BIT"
<mi...@cawood.nospaam.fsnet.co.uk> saying something like:

>> The 67-year-old ex-builder said: "All I did was to ask the boy on the
>> till if his knickers were tight because he was going on and on like my
>> old lady."
>>
>> --
>> Fred
>

>With insulting behaviour like that, he deserved to be banned.

Any more old women coming out, then?

Dave Plowman (News)

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Nov 11, 2004, 2:28:49 PM11/11/04
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In article <zPOkd.78$%l6...@newsfe3-win.ntli.net>,

Lobster <davidlobs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> With insulting behaviour like that, he deserved to be banned.
> >
> > Someone tries to steal from you and you're supposed to be polite to
> > them?

> - alternatively -

> Someone makes a genuine error and you're supposed to be polite to them?

I read it as two lots of overcharging one after another. Genuine error
might be stretching it somewhat. But then we don't have the full story.

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Guy King

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Nov 11, 2004, 12:13:55 PM11/11/04
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The message <4d0c3a5...@davenoise.co.uk>
from "Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> contains these words:

> > A friend of mine reckons the time to be really wary of me is when I'm
> > being very soft spoken and scrupulously polite.

> Right. We'll have no reason to be wary, then?

You'd know if you did, Dave.

Anyway - wot you doing in the shed?

Ron Clark

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Nov 11, 2004, 2:39:37 PM11/11/04
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:22:06 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon
<grimlycur...@hotmail.com> wrote this, or at least some of
this:

>Heh. A supplier sent me a ten-pack of 10m Ethernet cables instead of the


>one I'd ordered. I phoned them to let them know and they just told me to
>keep them, since it was too much hassle to rectify the paperwork.
>
>I still trade with them in the hope they repeat that sometime...

The Missis bought some DVD-Ram discs at Currys

Came up as 7p per disc. When she queried it, they said,"If Head
Office say they're 7p per disc, they're 7 p per disc", so she bought a
shedful.

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Guy King

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Nov 11, 2004, 2:46:06 PM11/11/04
to
The message <3130303037363...@zetnet.co.uk>
from Helen Deborah Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:

> Do not post stuff to London NW11 if you wish it to arrive...

Round here seems very good. I don't think I've had anything go astray in
the 3½ years we've been here.

The local postie's good, too. He' knows I'll prolly be up the yoof
centre if I'm not at home to sign for something.

Guy King

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Nov 11, 2004, 2:55:27 PM11/11/04
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The message <6re7p0tkmno9ruv48...@4ax.com>
from Grimly Curmudgeon <grimlycur...@hotmail.com> contains these words:

> >I'm still waiting for eBuyer to reply to my note telling 'em that
> >they've sent me two 256Meg RAMsticks but only charged me for the one
> >I've ordered. They don't seem in any hurry.

> Heh. A supplier sent me a ten-pack of 10m Ethernet cables instead of the
> one I'd ordered. I phoned them to let them know and they just told me to
> keep them, since it was too much hassle to rectify the paperwork.

I got very cross with eBuyer once 'cos I'd paid for express devilery and
it hadn't turned up. They refunded me the extra cost and slipped me a
fiver for my trouble.

I later had to apologise to 'em 'cos I found out that the courier had
tried to deliver in the two minutes I was out the back unloading the
car.

eBuyer said that since I'd been so honest I could keep the credit and
the voucher.

R Electorate@scrotemail.com Whitedog (Gnashing R Electorate)

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Nov 11, 2004, 2:57:46 PM11/11/04
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:13:55 GMT, Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>You'd know if you did, Dave.

yaHAL AICM5P

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Nov 11, 2004, 3:41:50 PM11/11/04
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Zymurgy (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
<929f93f3.04111...@posting.google.com>:

> Saw that article (Daily Mail today), there was an aside about a person
> who complained by letter to B&Q Farnborough, and some wag wrote back
>
> "Mr Hyde, don't you ever stop moaning, please take your custom
> elsewhere you silly old sod"
>
> B&Q haven't found the culprit yet :)
>
> Paul.

That's only what they *say* of course. Behind the scenes the Farnborough
branch manager has probably had a letter of commendation from the CEO.
--
Paul Townsend
Pair them off into threes

Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply

No Spam

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Nov 11, 2004, 3:50:58 PM11/11/04
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"Malcolm Knight" <my2in...@spam-trap.co.uk> wrote:

>Since then she won't get
>notes out of the bank and goes round with bags of pound coins as if they are
>somehow immune from the same trick.

Except for the fakes made out of lead that are in circulation


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Prai Jei

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Nov 11, 2004, 3:50:19 PM11/11/04
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Cumberpach (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
<2vgshmF...@uni-berlin.de>:

> Overcharging versus undercharging. I would say that the ratio is at least
> 5
> : 1 in favour of the supermarket, DIY store etc. Of course would 'Joe


> Public' report an undercharging and offer to pay the difference ?

> 45 pence = overcharging.......... but 45 quids !!
>
> Pete

I did that when I was unexpectedly charged £39.95 for something that should
have cost £120 or so. This was something that had had to be ordered from a
computer store. On looking at the paperwork, I could see what had happened.
Although I had the correct *goods* the wrong *invoice* had been attached.
And yes, I did point out the mistake and offer to pay the difference
(accepted) on my next visit to the shop. If the undercharge had only been
45p or so I would not have bothered, but £80 is a different kettle of fish
and had I done nothing about it, I could not have dared show my face in
that shop again.

"It says £6.99 then they've charged you Income Tax"
- Customer querying the receipt from a trade warehouse where VAT
is added after the total has been shown on the till.

Guy King

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Nov 11, 2004, 4:13:54 PM11/11/04
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The message <f3k7p0lmifekt6jjh...@4ax.com>
from No Spam <nos...@dial.pipex.com> contains these words:

<Pound coins>


> Except for the fakes made out of lead that are in circulation

I had one of them once. Ugly brute, it was.

Malc

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Nov 11, 2004, 4:15:53 PM11/11/04
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"Ancipital" <WARKanci...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.11.11....@hotmail.com...
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:35:01 +0000, Ron Clark wrote:
>
> >>I thought it was a ban rather than an injunction!
> >
> > I thought that too. It was a Manager's decision.
>
> I know someone who is banned from all eTsco stores, after an argument with
> checkout staff.
>
Lucky ubggre. I wish I cwd be banned from all trifficshops.

--
Malc


Malc

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Nov 11, 2004, 4:18:55 PM11/11/04
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"Guy King" <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3130303034323...@zetnet.co.uk...

> The message <3130303037363...@zetnet.co.uk>
> from Helen Deborah Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
> > Do not post stuff to London NW11 if you wish it to arrive...
>
> Round here seems very good. I don't think I've had anything go astray in
> the 3˝ years we've been here.
>
> The local postie's good, too. He' knows I'll prolly be up the yoof
> centre if I'm not at home to sign for something.
>
Ours is good taaw. Booby trapped sheep the one who lives a few doors away is
a right eejit.

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Malc


Malc

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Nov 11, 2004, 4:20:36 PM11/11/04
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"No Spam" <nos...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:f3k7p0lmifekt6jjh...@4ax.com...
I've always thought that pound coins would be quite a good thing to forge,
if you could get a suitable base metal.

--
Malc


Malc

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Nov 11, 2004, 4:25:27 PM11/11/04
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"Guy King" <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3130303034323...@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <6MKkd.118$XN1...@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>
> from "david_dance" <david...@ntlworld.com> contains these words:
>
> > The pensioner shot himself in the foot. If you are going to complain,
> > maintain an unimpeachable civility throughout.

>
> A friend of mine reckons the time to be really wary of me is when I'm
> being very soft spoken and scrupulously polite.
>
YMYA. People who know us know that if Denise and I aren't insulting each
other then there's trouble brewing. Having said that, I do find arguing a
terrible waste of energy.

--
Malc


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Guy King

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Nov 11, 2004, 4:40:38 PM11/11/04
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The message <3HQkd.12367$up1....@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from "Malc" <malunsp...@lightindigooverthere.co.uk> contains these words:

> Booby trapped sheep

AAAAArgh - that took me about ten seconds.

Paul Mc Cann

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Nov 11, 2004, 5:16:12 PM11/11/04
to
In article <2vh6fnF...@uni-berlin.de>, m...@privacy.net says...

>
> "Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4d0c20b...@davenoise.co.uk...
> > In article <cmvd5a$jgp$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> > mike <nos...@please.net> wrote:
> > > Most of the till staff in the Wigan B&Q superstore last sunday appeared
> > > to be about 16
> > > They are just kids who have no control over the price
> > > that comes up on the system when they scan the barcode - the miserable
> > > old git should have addressed a complaint to the management rather than
> > > insulting the first person to hand
> >
> > I'm sure they'll learn the various scams long before anything else,
> though.
> >
> > --
> > *Keep honking...I'm reloading.

> >
> > Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
> > To e-mail, change noise into sound.
>
> The son of a friend of mine worked for a while in a branch of a well-known
> pizza chain, in Leicester. He was instructed by his manager to short change
> customers. Another place where they regularly do this is in some of the bars
> in Gatwick and Heathrow Airports (funnily enough no-one's ever tried it on
> me at Stansted) - I always make sure either I give them the right money or I
> make a point of apologising for oversized notes, stating their denomination
> in the process.
>
>
>
Many years ago we were enjoying a nights drinking in a large bar in
Donegal. There were about 7 of us in the group and the round didn't
change throughout the night, but the cost of the round changed, every
time kept getting cheaper. Until father-in-law-to-be came to pay his
round when the price suddnly shot up. He called the owner over and asked
for an explanation. The owner said that he had to employ young staff at
the weekends to cope with the crowds. (It was a great holiday area).
Trouble was these young'uns couldn't b****y count so he told them to
calculate the cost of the round of drink on the following basis. If the
drink cost about 2/3, just call that two bob. If it cost about 2/9, just
call that 3 bob. Add up all the drinks like this and if the total seemed
too big, knock off a bit. If it seemed to small then add on a bit.

Strue
--
Paul Mc Cann

Paul Mc Cann

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Nov 11, 2004, 5:18:33 PM11/11/04
to
In article <4d0c4c4...@davenoise.co.uk>, da...@davenoise.co.uk
says...

> In article <a7076635.04111...@posting.google.com>,
> N. Thornton <big...@meeow.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Since they feel the need to protect their service manager in this
> > > way, I can only conclude they are the instigator of such shoddy work.
>
> > Such scamming is common I'm afraid, the car trade is a mess. Knowledge
> > is needed to avoid getting caught out repeatedly.
>
> My dealer keeps on changing hands - it's on the third owner since I bought
> the car. I keep on giving them the benefit of the doubt and trying the new
> one. Although much of the staff will be the same.
>
> But no more. It's out of warranty and not cost effective to keep up the
> dealer history, so I'll be servicing it myself in future.
>
> The strange thing was that they were quite superb when selling me the car
> - I was impressed.
>
>
In my experience garages are either excellent at selling or excellent at
servicing but rarely both together.
--
Paul Mc Cann
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Judd

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Nov 11, 2004, 6:15:43 PM11/11/04
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"Fred Drake" <fred.dra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hon5p09ueu9k9ov3e...@4ax.com...
> A Wigan pensioner has been banned from every B&Q store in Britain
> after complaining about being overcharged.
>
> Ronald Helsby was given a refund after being charged £45 too much for
> wood but was overcharged by £1.50 the next time.

>
> The 67-year-old ex-builder said: "All I did was to ask the boy on the
> till if his knickers were tight because he was going on and on like my
> old lady."
>
> --
Hen deserves to be banned, he is clearly a depraved pervert.


Cumberpach

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Nov 11, 2004, 6:34:32 PM11/11/04
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"Malc" <malunsp...@lightindigooverthere.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bNQkd.12373$up1....@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
If insults are armless, you can't poke em in de knees. <coat etc>


Dave Plowman (News)

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Nov 11, 2004, 6:10:09 PM11/11/04
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In article <MPG.1bfdf594...@news1.eircom.net>,

Paul Mc Cann <tp...@eircom.net> wrote:
> In my experience garages are either excellent at selling or excellent at
> servicing but rarely both together.

I've not really had much experience of either. Most of my cars were not
bought from a dealer - and I usually do pretty well all the work on them
myself. But this time decided to treat myself to something rather better.
I can only guess that most cars that go to main dealers for servicing are
business owned, and no one cares whether the work paid for is actually
needed or done.

--
*How much deeper would the oceans be without sponges? *

Cumberpach

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Nov 11, 2004, 7:00:06 PM11/11/04
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"Judd" <d...@ds.rsfrewfre> wrote in message
news:4193f300$0$4021$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
Yer clucking right. Tar and feather him !!


Jaques d'Alltrades

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Nov 11, 2004, 7:07:20 PM11/11/04
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The message <4kq7p09pko9e524ng...@4ax.com>
from Marc Wilson <E-0C0013...@cleopatra.co.uk> contains these words:

> Oddly enough, bills almost always seem to make it through.

No-one is likely to nich a bill. Letters from banks can contain
information useful to a dishonest person.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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bigbrian

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Nov 11, 2004, 8:29:25 PM11/11/04
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:13:43 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
wrote:

>Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I've not really had much experience of either. Most of my cars were not
>> bought from a dealer - and I usually do pretty well all the work on them
>> myself. But this time decided to treat myself to something rather better.
>> I can only guess that most cars that go to main dealers for servicing are
>> business owned, and no one cares whether the work paid for is actually
>> needed or done.
>

>I stil recommend Swain & Jones in Farnham.

Wouldn't darken their forecourt again .

I prebooked a test drive in a new Saab with them, obviously with a
view to buying one. When I got there for the prebooked appointment,
they kept me waiting for more than 20 minutes, knowing why I was
there, before telling me they didn't actually have the car that I'd
arranged (more than 2 weeks previously) to drive, and which they
promised they'd have available. They also had, but never availed
themselves of, my contact details to advise me of this before letting
me drive the 30 odd miles for a failed test drive, They offered no
alternative, no explanation, and no apology. They seemed not to care
in the slightest. Just said "Oh well........that's the way it is
sometimes.....Can we book you in for 4 weeks time?".

Spent the money somewhere else inside a week, and our company switched
dealers for a significant number of fairly prestige vehicles as a
result

Brian

Mary Pegg

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Nov 11, 2004, 8:51:06 PM11/11/04
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bigbrian wrote:

> I prebooked a test drive in a new Saab with them, obviously with a

^^^^^^^^^

Horrible word. Take it outside and shoot it.

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Nothing to be done.

Helen Deborah Vecht

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Nov 11, 2004, 7:56:06 PM11/11/04
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Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>typed


> The message <3130303037363...@zetnet.co.uk>
> from Helen Deborah Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:

> > Do not post stuff to London NW11 if you wish it to arrive...

> Round here seems very good. I don't think I've had anything go astray in
> the 3½ years we've been here.

> The local postie's good, too. He' knows I'll prolly be up the yoof
> centre if I'm not at home to sign for something.

Edgware seems OK, if tardy.

Parents and sister's fambly, NW11 residents have had aforementioned
stuff filched and abhfrq. Dibbles (<furlong from delivery office) are
qbvat ZILCH!

--
Helen D. Vecht: helen...@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

Paul Mc Cann

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Nov 12, 2004, 1:52:32 AM11/12/04
to
In article <eGUkd.4056$dH5...@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
nos...@widetrouser.freeserve.co.uk says...

> bigbrian wrote:
>
> > I prebooked a test drive in a new Saab with them, obviously with a
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> Horrible word. Take it outside and shoot it.
>
>
Would a hyphen help? The 'pre' does seem redundant, still, the meaning
is obvious.
--
Paul Mc Cann

coj

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Nov 12, 2004, 2:23:22 AM11/12/04
to
Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

>>The local postie's good, too. He' knows I'll prolly be up the yoof
>>centre if I'm not at home to sign for something.
>
> Edgware seems OK, if tardy.

ITYM turdy

Guy King

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Nov 12, 2004, 3:13:34 AM11/12/04
to
The message <MPG.1bfdc8dac...@news1.eircom.net>
from Paul Mc Cann <tp...@eircom.net> contains these words:

> Trouble was these young'uns couldn't b****y count so he told them to
> calculate the cost of the round of drink on the following basis. If the
> drink cost about 2/3, just call that two bob. If it cost about 2/9, just
> call that 3 bob. Add up all the drinks like this and if the total seemed
> too big, knock off a bit. If it seemed to small then add on a bit.

> Strue

Seems a perfectly sheddy way of doing things. How d'yer reckon Quantity
Surveyors do it?

Alan Hope

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Nov 12, 2004, 3:24:07 AM11/12/04
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Malcolm Knight goes:

>"Mike Ross" <mi...@corestore.org> wrote in message
>news:1100195010.if1A9nYzmX7C1csYmfpAhg@teranews...
>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:37:15 -0000, "Malcolm Knight"
>> <my2in...@spam-trap.co.uk> wrote:

>> >A nice little earner for the staff of Sainsbury in
>> >East Ham High Street preying on little old ladies.

>> That's about as low as it gets... if Sainsbury and police can't/won't
>> do anything, I'd think seriously about dealing with it myself, one
>> dark night...

>It was a while before she told me anything about it, you know how old people
>can be ashamed of their follies. She certainly didn't want any more stress
>and humiliation. I suppose the blighters count on that sort of thing. I've
>recently tried to explain the concept of debit cards otherwise she is going
>to be brought down by the weight of all those pound coins. :-)

Alternatively, she'll develop mighty biceps and be perfectly able to
deck the next one that tries it on.


--
AH


Guy King

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Nov 12, 2004, 3:12:42 AM11/12/04
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The message <qjm7p0dt3sc548j9d...@4ax.com>
from x(yz)enop...@hotmail.com contains these words:

> Our posts arrives at any time between 11.00 a.m. and 2.00 p.m.

That's about when ours arrives - which is why it's handy having a postie
who knows where I'm likely to be.

Guy King

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Nov 12, 2004, 3:14:58 AM11/12/04
to
The message <eGUkd.4056$dH5...@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>
from Mary Pegg <nos...@widetrouser.freeserve.co.uk> contains these words:

> > I prebooked a test drive in a new Saab with them, obviously with a
> ^^^^^^^^^

> Horrible word. Take it outside and shoot it.

Quite. What /extra/ information does it convey over and aove "booked"?

Andrew Marshall

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Nov 12, 2004, 2:54:02 AM11/12/04
to
In article <jtb7p0tckpvo21un0...@4ax.com>, oiorpata
<oior...@hotmail.com> writes
>What on earth are they doing with the poor posties? They're all
>having nervous breakdowns trying to get the post delivered on their
>rounds.

Round here these days, the post arrives pre-bundled, with a boodly girt
rubber band round it, thus oft-times crunching down any big henverloaps
towards the size of the small ones. One of these days summat important
will get hootered, I eggspect.

>One area of Swansea started getting their post in the evenings, turned
>out the postie was going round on his own time, cos he couldn't get it
>all done in his jbexing hours.

Poor blerk. Thass not fair; what do his obffrf goov they're playin' at?

> Then there's the one in Mumbles who was
>dumping bags of post in a quarry pit, cos he was so stressed.

I unforget a few hectofortnights ago hearing of a temporary postie who
got sent down for 13 fortnights for qbvat that. I hope they have the
frafr not to qb that in this chap's case.

>S'not right, when are they going to have time to cadge glasses of
>sherry at crimble,

Indeedy.

> and keep the birthrates steady with their extra
>services to bored housewives?

Young Mrs. Hubbard
Went to the cubbard
To fetch for the postman a letter
But when she got there
The cubbard was bare
So they qvq it without - it was better.

> S'the end of another grate tradition
>innit?

Sadly, you're krect there, megoovs.

Regards,
Andrew.
--
Andrew Marshall, M0MAA, G8BUR.
Unsolicited advertising matter unwelcome. Offenders may be blacklisted.

JonG

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Nov 12, 2004, 3:37:23 AM11/12/04
to
Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

>
> Edgware seems OK, if tardy.
>
> Parents and sister's fambly, NW11 residents have had aforementioned
> stuff filched and abhfrq. Dibbles (<furlong from delivery office) are
> qbvat ZILCH!

Few years ago, I suspected some post was going astray, though nothing
absolutely definite. Attitude of complaints dept was "Tell us when and
where it was posted and we'll investigate" - but if somethng doesn't
arrive, how the ehll do I know it was posted to me?

--
JonG
Better the pride that resides
in a citizen of the world
than the pride that divides
when a colourful rag is unfurled.

Jamie Hart

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Nov 12, 2004, 4:06:47 AM11/12/04
to
Ron Clark wrote:
>
> The Missis bought some DVD-Ram discs at Currys
>
> Came up as 7p per disc. When she queried it, they said,"If Head
> Office say they're 7p per disc, they're 7 p per disc", so she bought a
> shedful.
>
Currys are notorious for this, the staff are cnvq so poorly that they
just can't be bothered to put much rssbeg in.

78 fortnights ago years ago I knew an assistant mangler at Currys in
York, rnearq 18kzu a year.

18kzu a year for an asst mangler? Given the hours he jbexed, that can't
be much more'n miniminimum jntr.

Snow under[1] they make mistakes.


[1] apple logies for that, I figured those that eschew obfuscation would
have abandoned this message well before that bit of confusion.

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curious

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Nov 12, 2004, 5:32:30 AM11/12/04
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"Fred Drake" <fred.dra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hon5p09ueu9k9ov3e...@4ax.com...
> A Wigan pensioner has been banned from every B&Q store in Britain
> after complaining about being overcharged.
>
> Ronald Helsby was given a refund after being charged £45 too much for
> wood but was overcharged by £1.50 the next time.
>
> The 67-year-old ex-builder said: "All I did was to ask the boy on the
> till if his knickers were tight because he was going on and on like my
> old lady."
>
> --
> Fred

here's a question -
search the online wigan newspapers, or the Manc Evening News, or the BBC
news, and you'll find no trace of this story

Search the whole of google or yahoo for 'ronald helsby' and you'll find no
trace of him - (which some would say is very odd in itself)

search for 'banned from b&q' and you'll find that joke about decking

is this an urban myth in the making ?


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WebM¤nkey

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Nov 12, 2004, 6:08:10 AM11/12/04
to

Thats because the original post was a troll post. Designed to provoke flame
wars.

Cumberpach

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Nov 12, 2004, 7:00:01 AM11/12/04
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":::Jerry::::" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:2vjj55F...@uni-berlin.de...
> x-no-archive: yes

>
> "Guy King" <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3130303034323...@zetnet.co.uk...
>> The message <eGUkd.4056$dH5...@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>
>> from Mary Pegg <nos...@widetrouser.freeserve.co.uk> contains these words:
>>
>> > > I prebooked a test drive in a new Saab with them, obviously with a
>> > ^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> > Horrible word. Take it outside and shoot it.
>>
>> Quite. What /extra/ information does it convey over and aove "booked"?
>>
>
> Well, booked could mean that you popped into the dealer and asked to test
> drive a car, but you are just popping around the cafe for a coffee first,
> pre-booked indicates that there was a significant amount of time between
> the
> test drive and the appointment.
>
> Slightly more emphasise on how long ago the booking was made
>
100% accurate but no consolation to the mourning relatives of Prebooked, who
has already been taken out and shot ? I ..... er ..... zoom ?

bigbrian

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Nov 12, 2004, 8:12:12 AM11/12/04
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:14:58 GMT, Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>The message <eGUkd.4056$dH5...@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>
>from Mary Pegg <nos...@widetrouser.freeserve.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> > I prebooked a test drive in a new Saab with them, obviously with a
>> ^^^^^^^^^
>
>> Horrible word. Take it outside and shoot it.
>
>Quite. What /extra/ information does it convey over and aove "booked"?

And what extra information does "and above" convey over "over"?

Brian

Guy King

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Nov 12, 2004, 8:07:11 AM11/12/04
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The message <2vjj55F...@uni-berlin.de>
from ":::Jerry::::" <m...@privacy.net> contains these words:

> Well, booked could mean that you popped into the dealer and asked to test
> drive a car, but you are just popping around the cafe for a coffee first,
> pre-booked indicates that there was a significant amount of time between the
> test drive and the appointment.

But I book a dentists appointment for several months in advance. I most
certainly don't "prebook" it.

Same with pre-order. "Preorder your copy of Return of the Potter - NOW!"
when just "Order" would do.

Guy King

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Nov 12, 2004, 8:05:24 AM11/12/04
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The message <pan.2004.11.12....@hotmail.com>
from Ancipital <WARKanci...@hotmail.com> contains these words:

> What's even more fun is that my local sorting office *never* answers the
> phone, making it just that bit more challenging.

Ours has a "Customer Service" desk which is open from 07:30 to 13:00 -
which is no sodding hfr 'cos the postman comes after you leave in the
morning, and by the time you get back it's too late to slide down there
and get yer packet. Has to wait till the next day, innit.

Talking of "Service". etSoc in Tefloon has had a meat-slcier out of
action for about two weeks - meaning you can have chorizo sliced the way
you like it but have to have it ready sliced far too thick.
The staff say they've had two spare parts arrive - both of 'em the wrong ones.

Is it really beyond the wit of one of the largest firms in the country
to have a couple of spare slicers out the back so that customers don't
have to go do sAad for the duration?

Guy King

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Nov 12, 2004, 8:33:23 AM11/12/04
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The message <4kd9p05nojj55mnur...@4ax.com>
from bigbrian <harr...@hotmail.com> contains these words:

> >Quite. What /extra/ information does it convey over and aove "booked"?

> And what extra information does "and above" convey over "over"?

I'm tempted to say I was being ironic - but actually I was being sloppy.
It's a fair cop, but the two year old girl on my lap is to blame for
distracting me.

D'yer realised I'm supposed to be cleaning the kitchen?

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Bob Eager

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Nov 12, 2004, 8:39:47 AM11/12/04
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:07:11 UTC, Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>
wrote:

> But I book a dentists appointment for several months in advance. I most
> certainly don't "prebook" it.

One wonders, also, what 'postbooking' would be...

> Same with pre-order. "Preorder your copy of Return of the Potter - NOW!"
> when just "Order" would do.

I don't have so much of an issue with that. 'Order' means there is an
expectation of fairly immediate delivery; placing an order on a
non-existent stock item ought to fail immediately. 'Pre-order' means
that the order will be *placed* when it is possible to do so, at which
point it becomes an order.

Well, perhaps...!

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Bob Eager
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Linz

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Nov 12, 2004, 8:44:39 AM11/12/04
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"Guy King" <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3130303034323...@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <4d0c3a5...@davenoise.co.uk>
> from "Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> contains these
> words:
>
> > > A friend of mine reckons the time to be really wary of me is
> > > when I'm being very soft spoken and scrupulously polite.
>
> > Right. We'll have no reason to be wary, then?
>
> You'd know if you did, Dave.
>
> Anyway - wot you doing in the shed?

Crossposting, the same as you...

uk.misc, uk.d-i-y, uk.rec.sheds, uk.people.consumers, uk.legal


Francis Burton

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Nov 12, 2004, 8:46:14 AM11/12/04
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In article <4kd9p05nojj55mnur...@4ax.com>,

bigbrian <harr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Quite. What /extra/ information does it convey over and aove "booked"?
>
>And what extra information does "and above" convey over "over"?

It's all part and parcel of our wonderful language.

Francis

R Electorate@scrotemail.com Whitedog (Gnashing R Electorate)

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Nov 12, 2004, 8:49:41 AM11/12/04
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:42:01 +0000, Ancipital
<WARKanci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I'm pretty sure it's happening at the sorting office, as the pattern is
>exactly the same as before, but we have a different postman.. It was the
>case that anything interesting-looking that wasn't sent
>recorded/registered had roughly an 80% chance of getting nicked..

There was a WWP programme about this subject not too many fortnights
ago. It seems that there was an organised crime thingy involving some
Avtrevnaf who were recruited from agencies to jbex in the sorting
offices, they were very efficent at intercepting the "right" kind of
mail and offered to cut the undercover reporter in on the action.
I suspect it's mainly perqvg cards wot get filched but anything small
enough to be dropped into a bag would have been fair game for 'em.

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Nov 12, 2004, 8:50:59 AM11/12/04
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On 12 Nov 2004 13:39:47 GMT, "Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote
this, or at least some of this:

>> Same with pre-order. "Preorder your copy of Return of the Potter - NOW!"
>> when just "Order" would do.
>
>I don't have so much of an issue with that. 'Order' means there is an
>expectation of fairly immediate delivery; placing an order on a
>non-existent stock item ought to fail immediately. 'Pre-order' means
>that the order will be *placed* when it is possible to do so, at which
>point it becomes an order.

I agree with this post.

You order something that is currently in stock.

A preorder to me signifies that the vendor is accepting orders or firm
reservations for something not yet available, such as a DVD that will
not be released until, for example, January 1st next year.

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Mary Pegg

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Nov 12, 2004, 9:50:28 AM11/12/04
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Paul Mc Cann wrote:

> In article <eGUkd.4056$dH5...@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
> nos...@widetrouser.freeserve.co.uk says...


>> bigbrian wrote:
>>
>> > I prebooked a test drive in a new Saab with them, obviously with a
>> ^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Horrible word. Take it outside and shoot it.
>>

> Would a hyphen help? The 'pre' does seem redundant, still, the meaning
> is obvious.

No, a hyphen wouldn't help. If the meaning is obvious, then please
explain how "I prebooked a test drive" is different from "I booked
a test drive". Cos I'm buggered if I know.

If they are synonymous then the modifier "pre" is meaningless,
but not harmless.

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JonG

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Nov 12, 2004, 9:47:45 AM11/12/04
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Guy King wrote:

> Talking of "Service". etSoc in Tefloon has had a meat-slcier out of
> action for about two weeks

Well, risky line of jbex, innit?

Guy King

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Nov 12, 2004, 10:00:52 AM11/12/04
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The message <3130303034323...@zetnet.co.uk>
from Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:

> I'm still waiting for eBuyer to reply to my note telling 'em that
> they've sent me two 256Meg RAMsticks but only charged me for the one
> I've ordered. They don't seem in any hurry.

And lo! They have replied and say I can keep it - but it won't be under
warranty!

So, I'm a 256MB PC2100 RAMstick better off.

Guy King

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Nov 12, 2004, 10:02:05 AM11/12/04
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The message <cn2epo$1pt4$1...@fiasco.xenopsyche.net>
from "Linz" <sp...@nospam.lindsayendell.org.uk> contains these words:

> > Anyway - wot you doing in the shed?

> Crossposting, the same as you...

/I'm/ not crossposting - you are. (insert smiley of choice here)

R Electorate@scrotemail.com Whitedog (Gnashing R Electorate)

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Nov 12, 2004, 12:07:06 PM11/12/04
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:59:03 +0000, Ancipital
<WARKanci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:49:41 +0000, Whitedog (Gnashing R Electorate)
>wrote:


>
>> There was a WWP programme about this subject not too many fortnights ago.
>> It seems that there was an organised crime thingy involving some Avtrevnaf
>> who were recruited from agencies to jbex in the sorting offices, they were
>> very efficent at intercepting the "right" kind of mail and offered to cut
>> the undercover reporter in on the action. I suspect it's mainly perqvg
>> cards wot get filched but anything small enough to be dropped into a bag
>> would have been fair game for 'em.
>

>Makes sense, most of the stuff that goes missing for me is obviously a
>package containing something in a DVD case, or similar. It's irritating
>how many people put logos on the outside too, which scream "nick me, I
>might be something worth reselling!" (like play.com or amazon).

Some time back I jbexed for a reputable company who were the target of
navzny evtugf terrorists. We useter have stickers wot we sent out to
people we were ordering from. They stuck our sticker on the parcel and
when we received it we could be sure it was summat we'd ordered and
not a video cassette wiv a bomb in it. I suggest you get some of those
Biohazard or "Medical Samples" stickers applied to your deliveries,
they might not be so keen to open 'em innit...

GB

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Nov 12, 2004, 12:50:21 PM11/12/04
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"Mary Pegg" <nos...@widetrouser.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:U44ld.35$4T3...@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...

>
> If they are synonymous then the modifier "pre" is meaningless,
> but not harmless.
>

You could hardly say it's harmful, surely? Pre-datory, maybe?


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