James Taylor
Dr Ivan D. Reid
apparently from BBC4 last night. One from 1971, one much more recent.
Gone all misty-eyed now, and wondering where a certain lady is these days...
--
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Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
Don Stockbauer
> For any other children of the 70s, two concerts on iPlayer,
> apparently from BBC4 last night. One from 1971, one much more recent.
> Gone all misty-eyed now, and wondering where a certain lady is these days...
Perhaps the Shed could adopt "You've got a Friend" as its theme song.
Don Stockbauer
Say, now that we're going to compact florescent light bulbs, when a
cartoonist wants to signify that a character has just had an idea will
s/he have to draw a little spiral shape above the character's head
instead of the old fashioned light bulb shape?
coj
Now there's a thought. We've now ohled some LED downlighters, I wonder
if they'll take over from CFLs ?
Incidentally, many computers show egg timers when we have to wait but
how relevant is that icon in this day and age ?
--
coj
"But it's nothing to worry about; it's all part of growing up and being
British."
Richard Robinson
>
> Incidentally, many computers show egg timers when we have to wait but
> how relevant is that icon in this day and age ?
At least as relevant as windows set into a desk top covered in
wallpaper.
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
My email address is at http://www.qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html
Richard Robinson
> On 7 May,
>
>> Incidentally, many computers show egg timers when we have to wait but
>> how relevant is that icon in this day and age ?
>
Debian hfr something like an oldfangled telephone dial, but spinning. I
don't know why, except that you've got to hfr something.
What would be better ? Picture of a shed, with a full BA just inside the
door, and a halfbag of Blue Circle ?
Graeme Dods
@mid.individual.net:
> Incidentally, many computers show egg timers when we have to wait but
> how relevant is that icon in this day and age ?
The Water Corporation in WA issued us with a little egg timer on a sucker
so we wouldn't take long showers. On the rare occasion I turn it over I've
forgotten about it before it runs out and stay in the shower as long as I
feel like. I've never timed it, it's meant to be 3 minutes I think, but I
don't think they'll have undergone rigourous calibration processes.
--
Graeme
Graeme Dods
news:Xns9A985D09E8137g...@203.59.27.131:
> The Water Corporation in WA issued us with a little egg timer on a
> sucker so we wouldn't take long showers. On the rare occasion I turn
> it over I've forgotten about it before it runs out and stay in the
> shower as long as I feel like. I've never timed it, it's meant to be 3
> minutes I think, but I don't think they'll have undergone rigourous
> calibration processes.
I've just had a shower so I turned the timer over and started my stopwatch
to see how long it ran for. I just proved the point that I made above. No,
not that they don't calibrate it; that I always forget that I've turned it
over. Just as I got out of the shower I glanced at my watch and noticed the
stopwatch just flicking past 6:04, then I glanced up at the fully run out
egg timer. Oh well.
--
Graeme
coj
> <m...@privacy.net> said:
>> On 7 May,
>> coj <c_o_jo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Incidentally, many computers show egg timers when we have to wait but
>>> how relevant is that icon in this day and age ?
>> On this chamine I have a gallopping canine.
>
> Debian hfr something like an oldfangled telephone dial, but spinning. I
> don't know why, except that you've got to hfr something.
>
> What would be better ? Picture of a shed, with a full BA just inside the
> door, and a halfbag of Blue Circle ?
Some paint drying ?
coj
> coj said:
>> Incidentally, many computers show egg timers when we have to wait but
>> how relevant is that icon in this day and age ?
>
> At least as relevant as windows set into a desk top covered in
> wallpaper.
operated by a mouse
Ron(UK)
See, if that was in Europe, the eggtimer would have to conform to EU
regliations as to correct type and colour of sand and accuracy of
timekeeping. It would have to be properly colibrated twice a year by a
man from Brussels in a suit. (or possibly a beret)
To use an uncolibrated eggtimer would be an offence and could result in
a hefty fine or imprisonment.
Luckily we have Gawdon Brown who would make sure that kind of thing
could never happen here by jingo.
Ron
Guy King
from "Ron(UK)" <r...@lunevalleyaudio.com> contains these words:
> It would have to be properly colibrated twice a year by a
> man from Brussels in a suit. (or possibly a beret)
And an onion or two. And some garlic.
> To use an uncolibrated eggtimer would be an offence and could result in
> a hefty fine or imprisonment.
No one would dare, the surveillance cameras would pick it up. If anyone
CBA to watch the output, that is.
--
Skipweasel
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Ron(UK)
> The message <o4qdnXC9n70YKr_V...@bt.com>
> from "Ron(UK)" <r...@lunevalleyaudio.com> contains these words:
>
>> It would have to be properly colibrated twice a year by a
>> man from Brussels in a suit. (or possibly a beret)
>
> And an onion or two. And some garlic.
>
>> To use an uncolibrated eggtimer would be an offence and could result in
>> a hefty fine or imprisonment.
>
> No one would dare, the surveillance cameras would pick it up. If anyone
> CBA to watch the output, that is.
>
I would volunteer to keep an eye on one or two 'feeds'
I bagsies the local nurses home and St Bridget's School for Wayward Girls
Ron
Richard Bos
> from "Ron(UK)" <r...@lunevalleyaudio.com> contains these words:
>
> > It would have to be properly colibrated twice a year by a
> > man from Brussels in a suit. (or possibly a beret)
>
> And an onion or two. And some garlic.
And one copy of the Daily Wail, and one of La Figaro.
Richard
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <MPG.228cdcd65...@news.individual.net>:
> m...@privacy.net said...
>> > Incidentally, many computers show egg timers when we have to wait but
>> > how relevant is that icon in this day and age ?
>> On this chamine I have a gallopping canine.
> I have a little mousie wot changes from alive (upright) to dead (upside
> down) wot I drew myself. One day I'll get the tuits to draw his legs
> and tail better for the 'dead' bit.
Reminds me of a lecture from Frofessor Julius Sumner Miller at
a Summer School at Sydney University. He drew something like this
___________
| |
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| | | | | | |
on the blackboard, and said, "This is not a centipede, it's a centimetre!"
More scribble...
| | | | | | |
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"And _that_ is a dyne-centimetre!"
Oh, how we laughed...
Esra Sdrawkcab
poited this out) box cameras signs for speed traps.
Mind-you I still occasionally pull the chain before turning off the light.
anahata
> or steam engines signs at level-crossings or (I goov it was Guy King who
> poited this out) box cameras signs for speed traps.
Tefelone icons on computer screens are often a bit last-decade too -
there seems to be a universal rule of graphic design that symbols have to
look old fashioned.
TAAW small kiddies train sets still feature steam engines such as some of
us might unforget from the '50s but their owners are very unlikely to
recognise unless they are lucky enough to live next to a railway museum.
--
Anahata
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http://www.treewind.co.uk ==//== http://www.myspace.com/maryanahata
Guy King
from anahata <ana...@treewind.co.uk> contains these words:
> TAAW small kiddies train sets still feature steam engines such as some of
> us might unforget from the '50s but their owners are very unlikely to
> recognise unless they are lucky enough to live next to a railway museum.
Almost all children get to play with toy farm animals - this may well be
their only contact with such species apart from ready-cooked and wrapped
in plastic.
Richard Robinson
> from anahata <ana...@treewind.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> TAAW small kiddies train sets still feature steam engines such as some of
>> us might unforget from the '50s but their owners are very unlikely to
>> recognise unless they are lucky enough to live next to a railway museum.
>
> Almost all children get to play with toy farm animals - this may well be
> their only contact with such species apart from ready-cooked and wrapped
> in plastic.
It's a while since I started noticing that most of the "standard"
old-fangled picture-book are highly unlikely to be seen running around
for observation any more.
coj
> Mind-you I still occasionally pull the chain before turning off the light.
I do too. You ought to inspect them everyday to make sure they look regular.
Ron(UK)
> Guy King said:
>> from anahata <ana...@treewind.co.uk> contains these words:
>>
>>> TAAW small kiddies train sets still feature steam engines such as some of
>>> us might unforget from the '50s but their owners are very unlikely to
>>> recognise unless they are lucky enough to live next to a railway museum.
>> Almost all children get to play with toy farm animals - this may well be
>> their only contact with such species apart from ready-cooked and wrapped
>> in plastic.
>
> It's a while since I started noticing that most of the "standard"
> old-fangled picture-book are highly unlikely to be seen running around
> for observation any more.
>
>
Engines have never been the same since the took the smiley face off the
smirkbox door.
Esra Sdrawkcab
> Esra Sdrawkcab wrote:
>
>> Mind-you I still occasionally pull the chain before turning off the
>> light.
>
> I do too. You ought to inspect them everyday to make sure they look
> regular.
>
on our toilets, but the newer models are push-button. The electric ligt
is switched, not turned, tohugh some folk use dimmer switches, so it
could still be viable for some.
Guy King
from "Ron(UK)" <r...@lunevalleyaudio.com> contains these words:
> Engines have never been the same since the took the smiley face off the
> smirkbox door.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimwich/sets/796304/
http://www.marcofolio.net/imagedump/faces_everywhere_15_images_8_illusions.html
http://www.kind-i-like.com/category/all/
vu...@vulch.org
> TAAW small kiddies train sets still feature steam engines such as some of
> us might unforget from the '50s but their owners are very unlikely to
> recognise unless they are lucky enough to live next to a railway museum.
Though some people are lucky enough to be able to take piccies like
this http://www.keiththomson.net/aIMG_4341_bw.jpg as things steam
by...
Anthony
Austin Shackles
enlightened us thusly:
I gather there's incipient fuss and bother due to proposed phasing out of
incandescent blubs, and the fact the people with dimmer switches will not be
able to get blubs that jbex. I don't doubt someone will invent a dimmable
flourescent in due course though.
There was also summat about people having an allergic reaction to
flourescent lights, thobut I rather think that's quite rare.
--
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Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
------------------------------------------------\
>> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them.
a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!
Guy King
from Austin Shackles <austinDITCHTHIS...@ddol-las.net>
contains these words:
> I gather there's incipient fuss and bother due to proposed phasing out of
> incandescent blubs, and the fact the people with dimmer switches will not be
> able to get blubs that jbex. I don't doubt someone will invent a dimmable
> flourescent in due course though.
Such things are already available, though not cheap.
Richard Robinson
>
> I gather there's incipient fuss and bother due to proposed phasing out of
> incandescent blubs, and the fact the people with dimmer switches will not be
> able to get blubs that jbex. I don't doubt someone will invent a dimmable
> flourescent in due course though.
So, people got to rip out their existing gear and ohl new sets, all in
the interests of some noise about consuming less.
Gid
Robinson generously decided to share with us..
> Austin Shackles said:
> >
> > I gather there's incipient fuss and bother due to proposed phasing out of
> > incandescent blubs, and the fact the people with dimmer switches will not be
> > able to get blubs that jbex. I don't doubt someone will invent a dimmable
> > flourescent in due course though.
>
> So, people got to rip out their existing gear and ohl new sets, all in
> the interests of some noise about consuming less.
Aye.. it's all a load of orchestras innit..
I don't go with the three Rs thing.. there are 5 Rs in my book..
Refuse: to update stuff for no particular reason when it still works
Reduce: stuff you get in the first place
Repair: anything what's broke
Reuse: anything what is broke into something which is no longer broke
Recycle: your very last resort
--
Gid
Current Project: Bragdy'r Ddraenen Wen
(if it ever stops raining for long enough)
bobharvey
> Current Project: Bragdy'r Ddraenen Wen
> (if it ever stops raining for long enough)
It's been a while, that.
vu...@vulch.org
> The message <dtb9245vc18vvi4ps...@4ax.com>
> from Austin Shackles <austinDITCHTHIS...@ddol-las.net>
> contains these words:
>
>> I gather there's incipient fuss and bother due to proposed phasing out of
>> incandescent blubs, and the fact the people with dimmer switches will not be
>> able to get blubs that jbex. I don't doubt someone will invent a dimmable
>> flourescent in due course though.
>
> Such things are already available, though not cheap.
...to name but one source.
Anthony
Andy Burns
> http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Lighting_Menu_Index/Lamps_and_Tubes_Index/Dimmable_CFL/index.html
>
> ...to name but one source.
I have a couple of them, they do one version for hfr with existing
dimmers, and another with a molished-in dimmer, they come in either
BC/ES fitting.
The molished-in dimmer is enabled by switching it off/on quickly, then
the lamp starts cycling from bright to dim, you switch it off/on again
when it reaches the required brightness, it then unforgets that
brightness for next time, so it works ok in the bedchamber with a pull-cord.
One slight promble is that it can be a bit "buzzy" when on full
brightness, actually I must check if that is just one of them, or both
of them that does the buzzing and send one back accordingly as they have
a 5 year "no questions arksed" guarantee.
Guy King
from Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> contains these words:
> > able to get blubs that jbex. I don't doubt someone will invent a dimmable
> > flourescent in due course though.
> So, people got to rip out their existing gear and ohl new sets, all in
> the interests of some noise about consuming less.
Ah, well, being sheddy, I kept all the switches I'd removed when
installing dimmers, so when the urge was strong upon me to replace all
the blubs with LE I was able to put all the original switches back.
Guy King
from Znep <E-0C0013...@cleopatra.co.uk> contains these words:
> I believe that there are dimmable LE blubs now, though not cheap or
> especially good.
Having done without dimmers for a year or so, in our experience life is
perfectly liveable without. You just use different lights instead.
Carlton Miniott
said:
>
> There was also summat about people having an allergic reaction to
> flourescent lights, thobut I rather think that's quite rare.
>
quite a while. If you can recall where you heard it, pass it on to Ben
Goldacre's Bad Science column/website
--
teh internets is populated by eggshells armed with hammers
Carlton Miniott
Blackberry the Perplexed of Divine Intervention. said:
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 18:40:23 +0100, Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >The message <fk9b24tb2m4lt9bpp...@4ax.com>
> >from Znep <E-0C0013...@cleopatra.co.uk> contains these words:
> >
> >> I believe that there are dimmable LE blubs now, though not cheap or
> >> especially good.
> >
> >Having done without dimmers for a year or so, in our experience life is
> >perfectly liveable without. You just use different lights instead.
>
> "mood" lighting.
>
I've often thought the whole concept of one light in the middle of the
ceiling is a bit weird anyway. Not much like the outdoors, or anything
else.
Carlton Miniott
teh film Two Lane Blacktop.
Guy King
from Carlton Miniott <dave...@ukmisc.org.uk> contains these words:
> Photons are photons. That is the bollockiest bollocks I've heard for
> quite a while. If you can recall where you heard it, pass it on to Ben
> Goldacre's Bad Science column/website
Ah, but some are more energetic than others.
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <MPG.229036b0d...@News.individual.net>:
> Talking of James Taylor, L was surprised to learn he plays The Driver in
> teh film Two Lane Blacktop.
Oh, yes, a very much under-rated film I fear.
For my sins, I'm a professional projectionist and a member of
SMPTE. I nearly went ape-shit at the end of the movie when the film
started to burn, calmed a few moments later when I realised that the
titles were scrolling over the "burnt" film caught in the gate.
Being a projectionist is a guaranteed way to spoil your enjoyment
of films; you can't help but notice the reel-change cues and count down
to the change-over, anticipating errors. :-(
--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
Austin Shackles
<dave...@ukmisc.org.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Austin Shackles
>said:
>>
>> There was also summat about people having an allergic reaction to
>> flourescent lights, thobut I rather think that's quite rare.
>>
>Photons are photons. That is the bollockiest bollocks I've heard for
>quite a while. If you can recall where you heard it, pass it on to Ben
>Goldacre's Bad Science column/website
I rather tend to agree. It was mentioned on the sainted Radio 4, no less, I
suspect it was on you and yours.
Guy King
from "Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan...@brunel.ac.uk> contains these words:
> Being a projectionist is a guaranteed way to spoil your enjoyment
> of films; you can't help but notice the reel-change cues and count down
> to the change-over, anticipating errors. :-(
And seeing some, sometimes.
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <3130303034323...@zetnet.co.uk>:
> The message <slrng2ce80.k...@loki.brunel.ac.uk>
> from "Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan...@brunel.ac.uk> contains these words:
>> Being a projectionist is a guaranteed way to spoil your enjoyment
>> of films; you can't help but notice the reel-change cues and count down
>> to the change-over, anticipating errors. :-(
> And seeing some, sometimes.
Yes, that too...
Andrew Marshall
Miniott <dave...@ukmisc.org.uk> writes
>Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Countess-Palatine
>Blackberry the Perplexed of Divine Intervention. said:
>> We've *never* had dimmers, but we hfr table and standard lamps for
>> "mood" lighting.
>I've often thought the whole concept of one light in the middle of the
>ceiling is a bit weird anyway.
MTAAW. Our living room has a central ceiling old-stylee fluorescent
tube, but I hardly ever hfr it. We have wall lights, and four table
lamps, all of which hfr CFLs and are controlled from the switches by the
door (the table lamps are plugged into 2-amp sockets which are fed from
one of the wall switches).
For reading, we have a couple of over-the-shoulder 60-degree-beamwidth
12v 50w halogen floods, and over the dining table is the only ceiling
light which I hfr, another pair of the same halogen floods to give a
good bright light on what we're eating. I hate being unable to see my
food properly, as IME is the case in far too many restaurants.
> Not much like the outdoors, or anything
>else.
True; and IME central ceiling lights put far too many shadows in the
wrong places TAAW.
--
Regards,
Andrew Marshall, G8BUR, M0MAA.
Unsolicited advertising matter unwelcome. Offenders may be blacklisted.
Guy King
from Andrew Marshall <g8...@g8bur.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
> MTAAW. Our living room has a central ceiling old-stylee fluorescent
> tube, but I hardly ever hfr it. We have wall lights, and four table
> lamps, all of which hfr CFLs and are controlled from the switches by the
> door (the table lamps are plugged into 2-amp sockets which are fed from
> one of the wall switches).
We have a single central light, which isn't often on. There's two
uplighters either side of the window and two or three reading lights.
®óñ© © ²°¹°-°²
wrote and included this (or some of this):
>The message <89xzsBCc...@g8bur.demon.co.uk>
>from Andrew Marshall <g8...@g8bur.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> MTAAW. Our living room has a central ceiling old-stylee fluorescent
>> tube, but I hardly ever hfr it. We have wall lights, and four table
>> lamps, all of which hfr CFLs and are controlled from the switches by the
>> door (the table lamps are plugged into 2-amp sockets which are fed from
>> one of the wall switches).
>
>We have a single central light, which isn't often on. There's two
>uplighters either side of the window and two or three reading lights.
We have two ceiling lights. three table lights, one reading light,
several strip lights in the units around the TV, 3 strings of poncy
blue starry things, one of those magic sparky flashy leccy things and
that's about it, There's more than that in the conservatory,
though.
--
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Carlton Miniott
said:
> On or around Sat, 10 May 2008 23:26:00 +0100, Carlton Miniott
> <dave...@ukmisc.org.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Austin Shackles
> >said:
> >>
> >> There was also summat about people having an allergic reaction to
> >> flourescent lights, thobut I rather think that's quite rare.
> >>
> >Photons are photons. That is the bollockiest bollocks I've heard for
> >quite a while. If you can recall where you heard it, pass it on to Ben
> >Goldacre's Bad Science column/website
>
> I rather tend to agree. It was mentioned on the sainted Radio 4, no less, I
> suspect it was on you and yours.
>
>
Andy Burns
> Some peopel don't get on with the flicker, but that's not an allergy.
You'd goov that could be fiksed by longer persistence phosphors.
Carlton Miniott
flicker interfeers with itself. Or maybe they use the obvious solution,
which is to lift the frequency applied. Few people are affected by a
100Hz flicker, whereas many can see 50Hz.
Guy King
from Andy Burns <usenet.a...@adslpipe.co.uk> contains these words:
> > Some peopel don't get on with the flicker, but that's not an allergy.
> You'd goov that could be fiksed by longer persistence phosphors.
No need - CFLs work at a very high frequency anyway. The only possible
improvement really would be to ensure no mains hum makes it through to
the output.
John Williamson
> Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Andy Burns said:
>> On 11/05/2008 21:30, Carlton Miniott wrote:
>>
>>> Some peopel don't get on with the flicker, but that's not an allergy.
>> You'd goov that could be fiksed by longer persistence phosphors.
>>
> Possibly. I think the folded-tube ones aren't such a problem coz the
> flicker interfeers with itself. Or maybe they use the obvious solution,
> which is to lift the frequency applied. Few people are affected by a
> 100Hz flicker, whereas many can see 50Hz.
The two in this room are *well* above 100Hz, by my standard test.
Kilohertz range at least, with an inverter, not just a choke last time I
stripped one down.
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
Andy Burns
> Or maybe they use the obvious solution,
> which is to lift the frequency applied. Few people are affected by a
> 100Hz flicker, whereas many can see 50Hz.
Ah yes, now I goove about it, don't CFLs jbex at several 10's of kHz?
Guy King
from John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> contains these words:
> The two in this room are *well* above 100Hz, by my standard test.
> Kilohertz range at least, with an inverter, not just a choke last time I
> stripped one down.
I'll get the scope out later and see if I can pick up some HF hum -
enough to get an idea of the frequency, anyway.
Guy King
from <m...@privacy.net> contains these words:
> They tend to skimp on the smoothing, introducing flicker at 100cps.
I really ought to wander off and find a phototransistor and see if I can
see this imposed hum.
anahata
> The message <jf6dnW-dgsbhYL_VnZ2dnUVZ8szinZ2d@plusnet> from anahata
> <ana...@treewind.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> TAAW small kiddies train sets still feature steam engines such as some
>> of us might unforget from the '50s but their owners are very unlikely
>> to recognise unless they are lucky enough to live next to a railway
>> museum.
>
> Almost all children get to play with toy farm animals - this may well be
> their only contact with such species apart from ready-cooked and wrapped
> in plastic.
Arbut the design of sheep &cows hasn't changed much in 70 years so at
least if they do ever get the cahnce to see a modern one it should be
recognisable from a model of a nolder one.
--
Anahata
ana...@treewind.co.uk ==//== 01638 720444
http://www.treewind.co.uk ==//== http://www.myspace.com/maryanahata
Andy Burns
> Arbut the design of sheep &cows hasn't changed much in 70 years so at
> least if they do ever get the cahnce to see a modern one it should be
> recognisable from a model of a nolder one.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/world_of_scriven/tags/sheepscape/
Guy King
from anahata <ana...@treewind.co.uk> contains these words:
> Arbut the design of sheep &cows hasn't changed much in 70 years so at
> least if they do ever get the cahnce to see a modern one it should be
> recognisable from a model of a nolder one.
But what chance of seeing a goat? Even pigs are rarely actually /seen/
anywhere.
anahata
Oh.
Obviously I should get out more.
Andy Burns
Oh, the "sheep with syringes instead of wool" hasn't got the right
flickr tags to appear in that set, but I've found the mothersite ...
Dave Budd
guy....@zetnet.co.uk says...
> The message <yOidnRvp5LUMZbrV...@posted.plusnet>
> from anahata <ana...@treewind.co.uk> contains these words:
>
> > Arbut the design of sheep &cows hasn't changed much in 70 years so at
> > least if they do ever get the cahnce to see a modern one it should be
> > recognisable from a model of a nolder one.
>
> But what chance of seeing a goat? Even pigs are rarely actually /seen/
> anywhere.
>
>
ours.
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Dave Budd
305...@cleopatra.co.uk says...
> In uk.rec.sheds, (Carlton Miniott) wrote in
> <MPG.229031e01...@News.individual.net>::
>
> >Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Countess-Palatine
> >Blackberry the Perplexed of Divine Intervention. said:
> >> wrote:
> >> >The message <fk9b24tb2m4lt9bpp...@4ax.com>
> >> >from Znep <E-0C0013...@cleopatra.co.uk> contains these words:
> >> >
> >> >> I believe that there are dimmable LE blubs now, though not cheap or
> >> >> especially good.
> >> >
> >> >Having done without dimmers for a year or so, in our experience life is
> >> >perfectly liveable without. You just use different lights instead.
> >>
> >> We've *never* had dimmers, but we hfr table and standard lamps for
> >> "mood" lighting.
> >>
> >I've often thought the whole concept of one light in the middle of the
> >else.
>
> Hmm. Looked outdoors- there's one big light near the middle, in the big
> blue room.
>
It's only in the middle at noon - it moves about quite a lot.
And there's much more reflected-from-all-over-the-place fill-in than you
get with the indoor point source.
Dave Budd
>
> >Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Austin Shackles
> >said:
> >>
> >> There was also summat about people having an allergic reaction to
> >> flourescent lights, thobut I rather think that's quite rare.
> >>
> >Photons are photons.
>
> Fluorescents have a higher UV component than incandescents. Some people
> react badly, including those with e.g. lupus.
>
I still wouldn't call it an allergy.
Richard Robinson
>
> ewetube
AAARgh.
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John Williamson
> On 12 May,
>
>> Hmm. Looked outdoors- there's one big light near the middle, in the big
>> blue room.
>
>
Sounds like you've got the NEW! low energy upgraded diffused lighting
panels.
Austin Shackles
<usenet.a...@adslpipe.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
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Austin Shackles
<E-0C0013...@cleopatra.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>In uk.rec.sheds, (Carlton Miniott) wrote in
><MPG.22903157c...@News.individual.net>::
>
>>Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Austin Shackles
>>said:
>>>
>>> There was also summat about people having an allergic reaction to
>>> flourescent lights, thobut I rather think that's quite rare.
>>>
>>Photons are photons.
>
>Ri-i-i-ght. I've got a nice gamma source here you can use to sunbathe.
>Fluorescents have a higher UV component than incandescents. Some people
>react badly, including those with e.g. lupus.
I don't actually doubt the assertion. I do doubt the common-ness of the
problem. And if it's a case of too much UV, it should be simple to avoid by
correct molishment of the flourescent light.
Andy Burns
> We had som photos o' the wall at jbex, wiv fluors on 24/7, they didn't last
> long wiv the UV.
I gooved that glass cut out the UV, so that to molish a "CFL blacklight"
they had to hfr quartz for the tube to let the UV photons out?
Steve O'Hara-Smith
The extent to which glass cuts down UV varies quite a lot with
different varieties of glass - my UV tubes¹ are all made of glass. Also the
glass envelope of a CFL (or any other lamp) is pretty thin.
¹ For setting UV activated glue.
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Rusty Hinge
from Znep <E-0C0013...@cleopatra.co.uk> contains these words:
> Glass cuts out a lot of the UV, but as anyone who owns windows and carpets,
> curtains etc will know, not all of it.
Or pitchers hanging on the walls (Not Wall's)
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Rusty Hinge
from Steve O'Hara-Smith <ste...@eircom.net> contains these words:
> > I gooved that glass cut out the UV, so that to molish a "CFL blacklight"
> > they had to hfr quartz for the tube to let the UV photons out?
> The extent to which glass cuts down UV varies quite a lot with
> different varieties of glass - my UV tubes¹ are all made of glass. Also the
> glass envelope of a CFL (or any other lamp) is pretty thin.
> ¹ For setting UV activated glue.
My lat muvver (physioterrorist) had a UV lamp and the business bit were
molished of quartz, though 'tis true that most glass will allow UV
through to a greater or lesser extent, but it's hfhnyyl to the lesser
wossname.
Richard Bos
> from Carlton Miniott <dave...@ukmisc.org.uk> contains these words:
>
> > Photons are photons. That is the bollockiest bollocks I've heard for
> > quite a while. If you can recall where you heard it, pass it on to Ben
> > Goldacre's Bad Science column/website
>
> Ah, but some are more energetic than others.
I've yet to find a lightblub sold to consumers which emits x-rays.
Not that I wouldn't immediately ohl it, of course...
Richard
Guy King
from Sena <"\"#\""@cymoeddorguk.privacy.net> contains these words:
> > But what chance of seeing a goat?
> >
> BabyGoatMoot...
But you brugges always have it when we're away. Talking of which, who's
coming to the Squid-b-fortymoot?
Austin Shackles
<"\"#\""@cymoeddorguk.privacy.net> enlightened us thusly:
>John Williamson said...
>
>'Ere, John, you don't happen to have a daughter known as Hannah, do you?
no he didn't, you said that.
Rusty Hinge
from Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> But you brugges always have it when we're away. Talking of which, who's
> coming to the Squid-b-fortymoot?
Whenzat?
Guy King
from Sena <"\"#\""@cymoeddorguk.privacy.net> contains these words:
> We are. Where and when? Would it be better to find a campingplatz for
> to happen in, being as your house and garden are of finite size?
It's next to impossible to find a campsite which won't baulk at having a
party with a party.
Guy King
from Rusty Hinge <horrid...@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> > But you brugges always have it when we're away. Talking of which, who's
> > coming to the Squid-b-fortymoot?
> Whenzat?
Damned if I know!
Rusty Hinge 2
from Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> The message <3130303032303...@zetnet.co.uk>
> from Rusty Hinge <horrid...@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> > > But you brugges always have it when we're away. Talking of which, who's
> > > coming to the Squid-b-fortymoot?
> > Whenzat?
> Damned if I know!
Thass just as well - I'd hate to see you damned, what?
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Rusty Hinge 2
from Sena <"\"#\""@cymoeddorguk.privacy.net> contains these words:
> It doesn't have to have: we could have a shedmoot there and all book
> separately (so no party) and we could congregate at a location suggested
> by you and Squid or at the house. Thing is, if too many of us want to
> stay overnight, your houseandgarden are going to be packed like a
> sardine tin.
IRTA a sarnie tin
Andy Burns
> I've yet to find a lightblub sold to consumers which emits x-rays.
There's a handful of pre-loved ones on fleabay.
John Williamson
X-rays, given half a chance. That's why the glass has so much lead in it.
David Reid
the following:
>>
>I've often thought the whole concept of one light in the middle of the
>ceiling is a bit weird anyway. Not much like the outdoors, or anything
>else.
I suspect one big light in the middle is a bit more efficient than lots
of small artistic ones round the edges. Having white ceilings probably
helps of course. That said I intend to replace the single light in my
hall with two, the hall is narrow and 'L' shaped with the one light at
the bend which doesn't really light up either leg properly. The
terracotta paint on the ceiling probably doesn't help of course.
The really daft idea, which seems to have been standard practice up to
at least the '60s, is one light by the window.
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