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JHP

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Sep 18, 2005, 9:08:39 AM9/18/05
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No, not like face painting...

A....how effective is hand painitng for boats' hulls please.
B. Is it the sort of thing one could do oneself or does it need a tradesman
to do it?

(Do not attempt to write on both sides of the paper at once.)


Thanks,
John


Alan C Clark

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Sep 18, 2005, 11:10:06 AM9/18/05
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"JHP" <jhpo...@nospamhere.dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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Depends on the size of the boat I suspect? Most wooden dinghys are painted
this way, although spraying is a much nicer finish. For a yot? Could take a
long long time.......

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JHP

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Sep 18, 2005, 1:15:02 PM9/18/05
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Thanks. What prep do you need? Is it a case of just providing a key or is it
a deeper sand?
John


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James

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Sep 18, 2005, 2:53:46 PM9/18/05
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"JHP" <jhpo...@nospamhere.dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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I saw a boat over the weekend which had just been painted a week before.
1970's GRP fin keeler.
Finish is quite astounding!

The owner put the final two coats on with a roller... while the wife
followed him Flatting the paint off with a Jenny foam brush.
I have no expirience of this myself, But was VERY strongly advised that it
MUST BE A GENUINE "JENNY" BRUSH.
Apparently the cheaper copies are NOT the same grade of foam.... which is
vital


Ronald Raygun

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Sep 18, 2005, 3:45:54 PM9/18/05
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Martin wrote:

> On 18 Sep 2005 16:53:32 GMT, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>Martin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:


>>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:08:39 +0100, "JHP" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >A....how effective is hand painitng for boats' hulls please.
>>>

>>> Brilliant results
>>
>>Can be.
>
> It was in my case. I didn't do it myself, I paid a small amount to
> somebody in a boat yard to do it.

Apropos "small amount", I was amused to note the following in a boat
yard's price list.

Marine service labour rates:

Skilled: £32
Semi-skilled: £20
Painting: £15

(excluding VAT, presumably per hour)

Andy Champ

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Sep 18, 2005, 4:53:44 PM9/18/05
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JHP wrote:

You need to have all the lumps and bumps out before you start painting.
Paint won't hide holes, cracks, bumps, old seaweed etc.

I always paint my own boat (racing dinghy) and I expect to take longer
preparing than actually painting.

Andy

David Balfour

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Sep 18, 2005, 5:25:49 PM9/18/05
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> A....how effective is hand painitng for boats' hulls please.
> B. Is it the sort of thing one could do oneself or does it need a
> tradesman to do it?

I know a lot of people have given you positive responses to this, and I'm
sure they're right (I recognise some names that advised me when I brought
this up 18 months ago) but:

I tried to hand paint a small area of my GRP 27 foot yacht that had been
damaged by a dinghy sailing into me. I couldn't get it to be as smooth as
the 14 year old interspray job.

The paint I used was also 14 years old, and I used cheap brushes. It was
colder than the manufacturers recommended temperatures too. I could have
probably put more effort into preparation too. The result isn't bad by any
means, but if you get up close you can tell that it's not quite right.

Just wanted to throw this into the mix, if only to emphasise the importance
of certain aspects!

David


Dave Bulllar

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Sep 18, 2005, 5:30:30 PM9/18/05
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"JHP" <jhpo...@nospamhere.dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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Undoubtedly Preparation is the most important. Get everything absolutely
right, smooth but not polished. Then apply the coats of paint.
My brer-in-law was a painter and just before he died he discovered foam
pads...said he wished he had them earlier. Not his last words you
understand !<g>

--
dave


TonyB

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Sep 18, 2005, 5:52:15 PM9/18/05
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"Dave Bulllar" <comesail...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Couldn't agree more. We used to take weeks to do the bottom of our Mirror
dinghy, wet & dry paper, a finer grade each time, paint between sandings.
Finally a polish with Turtle wax. The finish was incredible and we won a lot
of races in it including the Kent Schools Trophy. Did Ok in the Nationals
twice with it too but suffered from being too light as youngsters for sea
sailing.

On the other hand when I painted my Lysander for cruising I used a couple of
quick coats of Dulux gloss which did for two seasons amazingly. Horses for
courses.

TonyB


Dennis Pogson

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Sep 19, 2005, 3:44:38 AM9/19/05
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For every hour of painting, allow 4 hours of preparation, and you might then
get a superb finish.


Dennis Pogson

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Sep 19, 2005, 3:45:59 AM9/19/05
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Avoid this yard at all costs!


Chris Lowe

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Sep 19, 2005, 8:14:03 AM9/19/05
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Some of the cheep ones use a glue which is soluble in some paint
thinners with predictable results

Martyn Langford

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Sep 19, 2005, 12:03:38 PM9/19/05
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Hand painting is fine using maybe International Perfection 709 or similar
product.
As with most things it is all in the preparation
Really requires two people one to apply by roller and another to lay off
with a brush.
It reall does not takt that long after the preparation stage so it might be
worth getting help from a professional to achieve a good finish.
Gipsy Moth IV has just been repainted by hand using 709.
Hope this helps

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JHP

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Sep 19, 2005, 5:04:25 PM9/19/05
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Thanks everybody for your help. I'll give it a go using old foam kitchen
scourers, an old deckbrush to lay it off and a bit of old magnolia Dulux.
Don't see the point of knocking off the barnacles. I'll let you know how I
get on....

John


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