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stephen sumner

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May 20, 2002, 10:04:30 AM5/20/02
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I read in the latest boating business publication that the DTI has helped
fund a delegation marine businesses led by the BMF (British Marine
Federation) to China to discuss business.

I wonder whether they are aware of China's track record for human rights
violations, particularly in Tibet where atrocities are daily occurrences,
which include torture, religious and political persecution. Since the 1950's
when China violently invaded Tibet, an estimated 1.2 million Tibetans have
been killed by the Chinese this falls under the term "Genocide".

Your thoughts please...

Thanks

Stephen

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stephen sumner

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May 20, 2002, 1:36:42 PM5/20/02
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> On Mon, 20 May 2002 15:04:30 +0100, "stephen sumner"
> <stephen...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >I read in the latest boating business publication that the DTI has
helped
> >fund a delegation marine businesses led by the BMF (British Marine
> >Federation) to China to discuss business.
> >
> >I wonder whether they are aware of China's track record for human rights
> >violations, particularly in Tibet where atrocities are daily occurrences,
> >which include torture, religious and political persecution. Since the
1950's
> >when China violently invaded Tibet, an estimated 1.2 million Tibetans
have
> >been killed by the Chinese this falls under the term "Genocide".
> >
> >Your thoughts please...
> >
>
>

> #1 when I saw the subject I thought "British Motorcyclists
> Federation"?

British Marine Federation waz pervisoly known as the BMIF, they are doing
away with the "Big Blue" bit as well.

>
> #2 as for the rest, nobody cares as long as there is a profit to be
> made, there is no other bottom line, and there never will be as long
> as the consumers are as ignorant as they are.

This is sad, we will go and do over afghanistan becuase we can but know one
has the balls to take a pop at China, its basic hypocricy, I dispair!

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Graham Frankland

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May 20, 2002, 3:04:52 PM5/20/02
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"stephen sumner" <stephen...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> I read in the latest boating business publication that the DTI has helped
> fund a delegation marine businesses led by the BMF (British Marine
> Federation) to China to discuss business.
>
> I wonder whether they are aware of China's track record for human rights
> violations, particularly in Tibet where atrocities are daily occurrences,
> which include torture, religious and political persecution. Since the
1950's
> when China violently invaded Tibet, an estimated 1.2 million Tibetans have
> been killed by the Chinese this falls under the term "Genocide".
>
> Your thoughts please...
>
My thoughts are that this is a suitable topic for a human rights NG, not
this one.

Graham.


netboy62@hotmail.com netboy62

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May 20, 2002, 3:49:21 PM5/20/02
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Who gives a shit about the Chinese! This is a sailing NG and thats what I
read it for.......Not for some left wing viewpoint on a nation a long way
from Blighty!

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stephen sumner

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May 20, 2002, 5:20:21 PM5/20/02
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But I am talking about the british marine federation here, the people that
look after the marine industry.

Would you be happy if we where selling Al Quaida marine products like maybe
a RIB?

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SteelSea

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May 21, 2002, 4:22:26 PM5/21/02
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> >
> > #1 when I saw the subject I thought "British Motorcyclists
> > Federation"?
>
> British Marine Federation waz pervisoly known as the BMIF, they are doing
> away with the "Big Blue" bit as well.
>
> > #2 as for the rest, nobody cares as long as there is a profit to be
> > made, there is no other bottom line, and there never will be as long
> > as the consumers are as ignorant as they are.
>
> This is sad, we will go and do over afghanistan becuase we can but know
one
> has the balls to take a pop at China, its basic hypocricy, I dispair!
>

That'd be because China has a large number of nukes all pointing west. The
only things pointing west in Afghanistan were radios trying to pick up the
BBC world service and VOA.

Didn't hear you complaining when the Challenge Business had some of thier
72ft race yachts built over there...


Mark Hawkins

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May 21, 2002, 4:28:36 PM5/21/02
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Ummmm, is that what people said about the afghans in the past? Then there
was the Taliban, followed by sept 11. Yes you can put your head in the sand,
and yes these places are miles away, but the problems occurring in far away
places can be brought to your doorstep wherever in the shape of a bomb, a
suicide attack and so on.

Mark Hawkins

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stephen sumner

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May 24, 2002, 1:35:25 PM5/24/02
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You dint hear me complaining becuase I wasnt aware of it!

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Iain Hibbert

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May 26, 2002, 5:03:49 PM5/26/02
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"stephen sumner" <stephen...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<Rj7G8.1530$D16.4...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>...
> I wonder whether they are aware of China's track record for human rights
> violations, particularly in Tibet where atrocities are daily occurrences,
> which include torture, religious and political persecution. Since the 1950's
> when China violently invaded Tibet, an estimated 1.2 million Tibetans have
> been killed by the Chinese this falls under the term "Genocide".
>
> Your thoughts please...

Stephen,
maybe you could write to them and let them know?

it is difficult, when the bad things happen out of sight and taint
the things that are in sight but that you want. Nearly all wetsuits on
sale here are made in one factory in china I heard the other day (true? I
dunno). Mobile phones, arent they mostly made in china? (I dunno..)

I know I have some shackles that were made in china, on my anchor and
in other places.. they were the only galvanised ones with rated load
stamped on them in the shop.

maybe we should encourage trade links with countries as that might make
things better for the populations there - I know things are better now in
Tibet than they were a number of years ago and lets face it, no matter
what the chinese aren't going to give it back.


iain
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RJCT

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May 27, 2002, 2:29:29 AM5/27/02
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> This is sad, we will go and do over afghanistan becuase we can but know
one
> has the balls to take a pop at China, its basic hypocricy, I dispair!
>
Welcome to the real world! The difference is that "american lives" were lost
on Sep 11, so that immediately justifies carpet-bombing Afghan farmers (oh
then pay them $1000 compensation, God Bless America etc). Unfortunately
there are no Americans who know where Tibet is, and they wouldn't care
anyway, so in this lopsided world we live in, nothing will ever get done
about the situtation there.


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