Bill of Sale
mark johnson
I am about to write out a bill of sale for my old boat.
Alas I have lost the one I got when buying,
Has anyone got the word form that is normally accepted.
I reckon there is nothing fancy about the wording, but its nice for
my buyer to have a 'acceptable' document to show his family etc.
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Regards
Mark Johnson
mark johnson
In article <5e9j4o$i1m$1...@despair.u-net.com>
ro...@aaee.u-net.com "Roger Eustis" writes:
> ma...@markland.demon.co.uk (mark johnson) honoured us with:
> How about;
>
> Received from {Joe Bloggs] the sum of [X pounds} in full payment for sailing
> yacht [ Name of Boat and Class] sold as seen.
>
>
>
Yes Roger, I guess thats about all you need, but I was after something a
little more eloquent.
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Regards
Mark Johnson
Rainer Thonnes
In article <856201...@markland.demon.co.uk> ma...@markland.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <E5r8t4.JJ4.0.sta...@dcs.ed.ac.uk>
> r...@dcs.ed.ac.uk "Rainer Thonnes" writes:
>> And if you really want to excel on
>> the bullshit-value front, make sure you use some of that red sealing wax
>> and a signet ring (available at any good toy shop). There's a space for the
>> seal on the form. More usual are gummed stick-on "seal"s.
>
> Stop stop, its getting far too fancy and complicated.
> I shall stick to Rogers simple version
That's OK. After all, you'd want the buyer to show his family the boat,
not the bill of sale!
John Webb
In article: <856091...@markland.demon.co.uk>
I am about to write out a bill of sale for my old boat.
>
> Alas I have lost the one I got when buying,
>
> Has anyone got the word form that is normally accepted.
>
rejected by the Register of Shipping people as they want
their own form used. It says the same but is on fancy paper.
If a non registered boat then it might be usable but I am not a lawyer
and can not be held liable for anything!
BILL OF SALE
Name of ship xxxxxxxxxx identified as *Make* *Type* Hull Yard number
xxx, Sail number xxx and Small Ships Register xxxxxx. (
We the undersigned xxxx and xxxx of xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (herinafter called
"the transferors") in consideration of the sum of Many Many Thousand
Pounds paid to us by xxxxxxxxxx and xxxxxxxx of xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(herinafter called "the transferees") the receipt of whereof is hereby
acknowledged, transfer sixty four/sixty fourth shares in the Ship above
particularly described, and in her appurtenances to the said
transferees.
Further, we the said transferors for ourselves and our heirs or
successors covenant with the said transferees and their assigns, that we
have the power to transfer in manner aforesaid the premises herinbefore
expressed to be transferred and that the same are free of encumbrances.
Executed as a Deed by the above named transferors on February
1997
Signature of transferors in the presence of:
Xxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxx
Full name of witness Signature of witness as witness
Occupation of witness Address of witness
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Rainer Thonnes
In article <452042...@modsw166.demon.co.uk>,
John Webb <jtw...@modsw166.demon.co.uk> writes:
> ma...@markland.demon.co.uk (mark johnson) writes:
> > I am about to write out a bill of sale for my old boat.
> > Alas I have lost the one I got when buying,
> > Has anyone got the word form that is normally accepted.
> >
> I have used something similar to the wording below in the past. This was
> rejected by the Register of Shipping people as they want
> their own form used. It says the same but is on fancy paper.
> If a non registered boat then it might be usable but I am not a lawyer
> and can not be held liable for anything!
There's not actually anything fancy about the paper they use, apart from it
being tinted yellowish. The words you quote are adequate (but it should be
"of which" or "whereof", not "of whereof", and you can say "all" in place of
"sixty four", and you don't need to say "sixty fourths", that's understood),
but it shouldn't be too onerous a task to obtain a copy of the actual form
from HMCE (I think it's them anyway) or from your local yacht broker's.
It can't cost more than a few pence, and may even be free. For registered
vessels the form is requried, but it is regularly used for non-registered
boats too. If the buyer wants something official-looking to "show his
family" then this form beats the plain words scrawled or even typed on a
plain piece of notepaper hands down. And if you really want to excel on
the bullshit-value front, make sure you use some of that red sealing wax
and a signet ring (available at any good toy shop). There's a space for the
seal on the form. More usual are gummed stick-on "seal"s.
Doesn't it go something like "in witness whereof we have subscribed these
presents and affixed hereto our seal this umpteenth day of Monthember ..."?
mark johnson
Stop stop, its getting far too fancy and complicated.
I shall stick to Rogers simple version
Roger, all is forgiven
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Regards
Mark Johnson
Barrie Avis
In article <856091...@markland.demon.co.uk>, mark johnson
<ma...@markland.demon.co.uk> writes
>I am about to write out a bill of sale for my old boat.
>
>Alas I have lost the one I got when buying,
>
>Has anyone got the word form that is normally accepted.
>
>my buyer to have a 'acceptable' document to show his family etc.
>
>
I am thinking of selling my boat. Any tips on where best to addvertise a
24 foot cruising boat?
Barrie.
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Barrie Avis bar...@avis.demon.co.uk
Newport Uskmouth Sailing Club, South Wales, UK. Yacht Yemanja
Sailing and Bell Ringing keep me amused...unless I bump into a Bell Buoy
Roger Eustis
> Stop stop, its getting far too fancy and complicated.
> I shall stick to Rogers simple version
> Roger, all is forgiven
Does that mean I can claim the peak berth on your upcoming Hambles-Mumbles
delivery cruise then ?
I rather like the idea of the Red sealing wax on the foot of an A5 foolscap
receipt in blue biro though!
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mark johnson
> Well done, you sold that quite quickly.
>
> I am thinking of selling my boat. Any tips on where best to addvertise a
> 24 foot cruising boat?
>
> Barrie.
>
Barrie,
I advertised in both PBO and YM, at the end of last year, (November).
I have had two replies to those ads, nether of which blossomed.
A friend of the family eventually bought it, so I am not sure were the
best place is to advertise.
I would think that now is the best time to sell, the PBO and YM must
be the favorite places to advertise. This newsgroup did't produce any
interest. I also put up a notice in our club, which produced no
interest either.
I can put up a notice in Swansea if you like, also I have had a
further enquiry for Lottie just two days ago, I could pass your ad
to them if you like.
Good luck
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Regards
Mark Johnson
Roy Ryder
John Webb wrote:
>
> In article: <E5rq3w.7r2.0.sta...@dcs.ed.ac.uk>> My understanding, from a friend who was caught, that the 'free from all
> encumberances' bit was important as it is a declaration that there is
> no marine mortage etc. outstanding.
> | John T Webb EMail jtw...@modsw166.demon.co.uk |
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Lloyds Register (not the Small Ships Register). Look inside for a plaque
giving the registered number and tonnage. If you suspect that there is
an outstanding marine mortgage contact the DLVA in Swansea who now
administer the Registry. They will know for certain, but it will cost
around £20-30.
Roy Ryder
Legend of Madoc
Pwllheli Sailing Club
mark johnson
> > Roger, all is forgiven
>
>
> Does that mean I can claim the peak berth on your upcoming Hambles-Mumbles
> delivery cruise then ?
>
> I rather like the idea of the Red sealing wax on the foot of an A5 foolscap
> receipt in blue biro though!
Roger
Red sealing wax, now there's an idea.
Roger, I promise that I will give you first refusal on that berth. We are
intending, weather permitting, to leave Hamble on the 19th April. We will
no doubt be in the pub on the Warsash front on the evening of the 18th.
So may see you there
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Regards
Mark Johnson
Rainer Thonnes
In article <330C16...@dl.ac.uk>, Roy Ryder <r.r...@dl.ac.uk> writes:
> It is difficult to get a marine mortgage without the boat being on the
> Lloyds Register (not the Small Ships Register). Look inside for a plaque
> giving the registered number and tonnage. If you suspect that there is
> an outstanding marine mortgage contact the DLVA in Swansea who now
> administer the Registry. They will know for certain, but it will cost
> around £20-30.
Do they? I thought it was only the SSR they took on.
John Webb
In article: <E5rq3w.7r2.0.sta...@dcs.ed.ac.uk>
r...@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Rainer Thonnes) writes:
> >> And if you really want to excel on
boat,
> not the bill of sale!
My understanding, from a friend who was caught, that the 'free from all
encumberances' bit was important as it is a declaration that there is
no marine mortage etc. outstanding. I do not know if it ultimately
has any legal weight. As I said, I am not a lawyer and I guess from the
other postings that others feel there is no point. However, I would
continue to use it.
The buyer might only be able to show the boat complete with a writ
on the mast.
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Rainer Thonnes
In article <636132...@modsw166.demon.co.uk>,
John Webb <jtw...@modsw166.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> My understanding, from a friend who was caught, that the 'free from all
> encumberances' bit was important as it is a declaration that there is
> no marine mortage etc. outstanding.
There's also the bit in which the seller declares that he has the power
to transfer said shares in said vessel. That's even more important.
It's as near a guarantee of title as you can get, for should the title
prove to be defective, even if the seller doesn't know it, it means the
buyer can sue the seller for at least the refund of the price paid, if
not force him to try to persuade the true owner to part with title.
Would you care to spill the beans about the circumstances in which your
friend was "caught"?
Charles Allen
> Has anyone got the word form that is normally accepted.
Roger,
The RYA do a booklet 'Buying a secondhand yacht - the legal aspects'
G21/93 in which a Bill of Sale suitable for un-registered and SSR yachts is
reproduced. You can get request a copy of the form (in A4 format) if you're
a member.
Registered yachts must use the Bill of Sale prescribed by HM Customs &
Excise
Hope this helps.
Charles Allen
John Webb
In article: <E5wpID.MEq.0.sta...@dcs.ed.ac.uk> > Would
> friend was "caught"?
>
eventually but the solicitors gained a lot as well.