London Boat Show (apart from the prices)
Nigel Molesworth
London Boat Show, but without the whinging about prices. If you're not
used to being overcharged being a boat owner by now ...
So, other thoughts on the event would be interesting. Any cheap gear,
innovations, recommendations etc?
--
Nigel M
Sail in a Bavaria 47 around the Greek Islands
http://www.aquariusyachting.co.uk/
toad_of...@yahoo.co.uk
> I'm sure there are many who would like to know what folks think of the
> London Boat Show, but without the whinging about prices. If you're not
> used to being overcharged being a boat owner by now ...
>
> So, other thoughts on the event would be interesting. Any cheap gear,
> innovations, recommendations etc?
Loads of cheap gear but some regular cheap-gear sources were not there
this time.
The only innovation that springs to mind was the new Tamar Lifeboat. If
you've sailed around Tenby that was interesting, at least.
An area selling property abroad seemed a waste of space, along with the
annual honda car stand.
Not as good as last year but if you've got people you want to meet,
need some cheap gear and want an excuse for a large night out in
London, why not?
MalcolmS
"Nigel Molesworth" <re...@thegroup.com> wrote in message
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> I'm sure there are many who would like to know what folks think of the
> London Boat Show, but without the whinging about prices. If you're not
> used to being overcharged being a boat owner by now ...
>
> So, other thoughts on the event would be interesting. Any cheap gear,
> innovations, recommendations etc?
>
As with the previous thread the recommendation is to save your cash and stay
at home. Plenty of clothing on sale (but cheap?) and very large boats and
little else. Very few deals, e.g. I could get the electronics I was after
cheaper from the chandley down the road, MailSpeed Marine one of the few
chandlies there and charing the same as their online cataloge, similar with
the others selling what I was after.
I like to dream in smaller steps than move from a 18ft puddle hopper to
something 35ft+, little there if you don't have luxury or atlantic
asperations.
Having said that I did enjoy the dayout - lifeboat was the the best bit, had
the designers on board chatting to the punters so no question too techical.
Went by train, took food bought coffe, spent around 3.5 hours there went
into the city to find a show with cheap tickets and an early start time so
we could catch a reasonalble train home.
Won't bother to go the London Boat show again.
Malcolm
Marshall Rice
I don't know whether it's anything to do with globalization, or just
down to the availability of cheap flights, but the smaller European
national shows (Barcelona, London) seem to be in rapid decline, while
the larger ones (Genoa, Paris & especially Dusseldorf) seem to be taking
over.
If you book early enough, with the right airline, you can fly to
Dusseldorf, get into the show and still have change from the price of
parking and entry to London. The show is *several* times the size and
the hotels are much cheaper, too.
--
Marshall Rice
(Put the bin out to email me)
Duncan Heenan
"Marshall Rice" <Mars...@marshallricebin.me.uk> wrote in message
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>
> I don't know whether it's anything to do with globalization, or just down
> to the availability of cheap flights, but the smaller European national
> shows (Barcelona, London) seem to be in rapid decline, while the larger
> ones (Genoa, Paris & especially Dusseldorf) seem to be taking over.
Southampton is better than any of them.
Stefan
duncan...@tiscali.co.uk says...
There is something nice about seeing boats actually bobbing about.
Duncan Heenan
"Stefan" <do...@spam.me> wrote in message
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Especially if you want to try them out on the spot, which is a big
attraction to Southampton, where on the water trials are available for many
boats.
Duncan Heenan
"Martin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> went to it at least 15 years ago.
How far can you sail in Dusseldorf?
Duncan Heenan
> --
> Martin
Does the show include boat access to the Rhine?
corby@sea
Very disappointed...too much power...too many silly stands nothing to
do with sailing...poor food.
Only redeeeming quality over Southampton is the big pool.
Want be going again - ever
Corby
Marshall Rice
<duncan...@tiscali.co.uk> writes
In the same sense and to the same extent that a local corner shop is
"better" than an out-of-town hypermarket. If you're prepared to pay
extra and sacrifice choice for convenience, fair enough.
Floatything
"corby@sea" <Corby> wrote in message
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> Big question from me...where on earth were all of the yachts????
>
> Very disappointed...too much power...too many silly stands nothing to
> do with sailing...poor food.
The same reasons that I've stopped getting PBO - somehow 'they' seem to
think that plastic powerboats are a bigger puller than yachts. Ho hum (and
the food is practically non-existent )
Floatything
Duncan Heenan
What do any of the Genoa, Paris & Dusseldorf offer that Southampton doesn't,
except more of the same?
Marshall Rice
>
>"Marshall Rice" <Mars...@marshallricebin.me.uk> wrote in message
>news:baFuesJN...@marshallricebin.me.uk...
>> In message <43c392f1$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Duncan Heenan
>> <duncan...@tiscali.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>"Marshall Rice" <Mars...@marshallricebin.me.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:K0VKVUBI...@marshallricebin.me.uk...
>>>>
>>>> I don't know whether it's anything to do with globalization, or just
>>>> down
>>>> to the availability of cheap flights, but the smaller European national
>>>> shows (Barcelona, London) seem to be in rapid decline, while the larger
>>>> ones (Genoa, Paris & especially Dusseldorf) seem to be taking over.
>>>
>>>Southampton is better than any of them.
>>
>> In the same sense and to the same extent that a local corner shop is
>> "better" than an out-of-town hypermarket. If you're prepared to pay extra
>> and sacrifice choice for convenience, fair enough.
>> --
>> Marshall Rice
>>
>> (Put the bin out to email me)
>
>What do any of the Genoa, Paris & Dusseldorf offer that Southampton doesn't,
>except more of the same?
Only a far wider range of products from a far wider range of
manufacturers (many of which have never been exhibited or even marketed
in the UK) which are generally on offer at far better prices.
The food's a damned sight better and more reasonably priced (especially
at Paris and Genoa) too.
Peter Thomas
<Mars...@marshallricebin.me.uk> writes
>In message <43c4dd99$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Duncan Heenan
><duncan...@tiscali.co.uk> writes
snip
>>What do any of the Genoa, Paris & Dusseldorf offer that Southampton doesn't,
>>except more of the same?
>
>Only a far wider range of products from a far wider range of
>manufacturers (many of which have never been exhibited or even marketed
>in the UK) which are generally on offer at far better prices.
>
>The food's a damned sight better and more reasonably priced (especially
>at Paris and Genoa) too.
This sounds very convincing. For any boat show these days, and it may
sound very 1950s, we find that we take home-made sandwiches, fruit and
water. Tastes better, we have more idea about where it's come from,
costs less and we don't have to queue.
For Paris, one could make an exception.
I'm sure some people take their own booze as well. The Ł3 pint of
indifferent beer is simply taking the p*ss.
--
Peter Thomas
The Floating Bear
> Very disappointed...too much power...too many silly stands nothing to
> do with sailing...poor food.
An article in the paper suggests that it's pitched at City workers just up
the road with 7-figure bonuses to spend. Some enormous number of them this
year, apparently.
Regards,
Jerry
Richard Faulkner
Floating Bear <je...@cix.theobvious.co.uk> writes
I went last year and wont be going again.
--
Richard Faulkner
Stefan
says...
>
> >
> >I'm sure some people take their own booze as well. The £3 pint of
> >indifferent beer is simply taking the p*ss.
>
> In A'dam it is pis*
>
But people don't go to Amsterdam for the beer. Or so I am led to
understand.
Duncan Heenan
Such as?
Marshall Rice
The major shows all have their own web sites. I'm sure you can find
Dusseldorf's without too much trouble.
Marshall Rice
<peterd...@godthoms.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <eBZfYnO8...@marshallricebin.me.uk>, Marshall Rice
><Mars...@marshallricebin.me.uk> writes
>>In message <43c4dd99$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Duncan Heenan
>><duncan...@tiscali.co.uk> writes
>
>snip
>
>>>What do any of the Genoa, Paris & Dusseldorf offer that Southampton doesn't,
>>>except more of the same?
>>
>>Only a far wider range of products from a far wider range of
>>manufacturers (many of which have never been exhibited or even
>>marketed in the UK) which are generally on offer at far better prices.
>>
>>The food's a damned sight better and more reasonably priced
>>(especially at Paris and Genoa) too.
>
>This sounds very convincing. For any boat show these days, and it may
>sound very 1950s, we find that we take home-made sandwiches, fruit and
>water. Tastes better, we have more idea about where it's come from,
>costs less and we don't have to queue.
>
>For Paris, one could make an exception.
Quite. Lunch every day in the Paris Expo self-service cafeteria is one
of the high points of the show for me.
Tony Brooks
"Richard Faulkner" <ric...@estate.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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I was lucky - free ticket and 10.90 on the train due to age! I was
disappointed.
I know I inhabit the ditches so expect very little of relevance at the
either London or Southampton apart from the one area that had even more
barges and cruisers in it this year. I am interested in a trailable day sail
boat for when I get too decrepit to deal with the locks, but the only
suitable ones I found were the Drascombe lot. I am sure there used to be
many more such boats.
Marked lack of choice in chandleries - loads of stuff, but not much that was
different. I was particularly looking at TV aerials and reasonably priced
folding cycles.A few were on show, but not much choice. I also was looking
at cabin lamps. Those I saw were either unpriced or far too expensive.
I did have an illuminating talk with technically competent bods about solar
cells and fuel additives. Its so much better when you can look them in the
eye! However much evasion and bovine dung from several other stands.
I wonder how many of the exhibitors can afford to attend, one has to sell a
lot of stuff to cover the cost so even allowing for some of the costs to be
considered advertising I feel one is automatically paying in higher
mark-ups. I know my particular organisation could not make a profit over the
year if we attended.
As I got free entry plus coffee & bikies for attending an hour and a half
presentation on very relevant topics I suppose it was worth attending, but I
doubt if I would have done so if I had to pay.
--
Tony Brooks
Nigel
> (many of which have never been exhibited or even marketed in the UK) which
> are generally on offer at far better prices.
>
> The food's a damned sight better and more reasonably priced (especially at
> Paris and Genoa) too.
> --
yeahhhh..... but other than that ?
PyroJames
Ah yes, you have just reminded me to cancel my YM subs. I'm thoroughly
fed up with the charter focus, adds and little on cruising.
PyroJames.
Anything burns if you soak it in liquid oxygen first.
Tony of Judicious
I bought a yottie mag recently, the first for a 2-3 years. Wondered why I
bothered.
Stefan
says...
London Pride is a fine pint. But happily available elsewhere.
toad_of...@yahoo.co.uk
London is packed with pubs with large selections of well kept real ale.
I doubt there are more decent pints per mile than anywhere in the UK or
the world.
We had a great time at the boat show this year. 3-4 hours meeting old
mates catching up with friends on stands, bought a pair of 80 quid deck
shoes for 28 quid. Then off for a big night large-ing it in town. Got
home just before 4am. It was a great way to spend a smeggy, rainey,
cold, dark winter's day.
Duncan Heenan
> snip <
> Bitburger German bier is merrily available for 40p for 1/2 litre tin
> locally. I can get almost 4 litres for the price of a pint at the
> London Boat Show.
> --
> Martin
And based on the quality, it is still over-priced!
Ronald Raygun
> There's nothing wrong with Bitburger.
Perhaps if you're prepared to overlook the fact that it's
not actually a beer. It's a lager, innit? Say no more!
Might as well crack a XXXX.
ChrisR
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:57:57 GMT, Ronald Raygun
> <no....@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>
> >Martin wrote:
> >
> >> There's nothing wrong with Bitburger.
> >
> >Perhaps if you're prepared to overlook the fact that it's
> >not actually a beer. It's a lager, innit?
>
>
> http://www.bottledbeer.co.uk/index.html?beerid=149
>
> http://www.bitburger.com/index.php?id=1139
>
> > Say no more!
> >Might as well crack a XXXX.
>
> is the version sold in UK.
> --
> Martin
That sounded a bitter! ;-)
Ronald Raygun
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:57:57 GMT, Ronald Raygun
> <no....@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>
>>Martin wrote:
>>
>>> There's nothing wrong with Bitburger.
>>
>>Perhaps if you're prepared to overlook the fact that it's
>>not actually a beer. It's a lager, innit?
>
> It's sold in UK as beer.
Big deal. In the US, Hershey's is sold as chocolate.
> Pils is a type of beer.
Like hell it is. Pils is a lager because it looks like piss.
Beer looks like tea, and is the more cultured beverage (of the
two - if you can't get wine you're as good as in a cultural
vacuum anyay).
On the continent they call everything beer irrespective of colour.
I guess that means they're either less racist or less clued-up,
or just colour-blind.
Nigel
> vacuum anyay).
>
spoken like a mono cultural alcoholic :-)
Ronald Raygun
I wouldn't want to become known as a Skolar.
TonyB
cold, dark winter's day.
Whaaa? It was a gorgeous day. We sat outside in the sun at lunchtime with
jackets off.
Look, are you sure you went to the right show?
TonyB
TonyB
"corby@sea" <Corby> wrote in message
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> Big question from me...where on earth were all of the yachts????
>
> Very disappointed...too much power...too many silly stands nothing to
> do with sailing...poor food.
>
TonyB
TonyB
> either London or Southampton apart from the one area that had even more
> barges and cruisers in it this year. I am interested in a trailable day
sail
> boat for when I get too decrepit to deal with the locks, but the only
> suitable ones I found were the Drascombe lot. I am sure there used to be
> many more such boats.
There were lots. The MacGregor 26, the Catalina 250, the Sportina and the
two Hawks to name a few.
I thought it was great, but then I haven't been to Southampton. It still
took me all day to get round everything, and there were still quite a few
stands I missed. In the overpriced world of yachting even I, Mr Cheapskate,
thought it was very fair value for money.
TonyB
Nigel
"TonyB" <Nor...@soxclara.co.uk> wrote in message
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aahhh but did you see that lawn mower.... perfect... not sure which
bit of deck I'm going to lay to lawn yet, but when I do....
Duncan Heenan
>
My opinion is far from humble!
ChrisR
good good offers at the show?
Also were there any sailmakers there?
TIA
Chris
imole...@gmail.com
couple of sailmakers.
LeeShore
Leeuwarden, I stopped by a caravan park as the bridge keeper had gone
off for lunch. A group of us from different boats made up a picnic. As
we were enjoying a beer, a fellow turned up and pitched his tent,
raised a national flag outside [not Dutch but German], got a lawnmower
out of his car and started mowing the lawn around his tent, which I
thought was somewhat like a bowling green before he started. At that
time I would have liked to have a lawnmower on board [would need to be
petrol], so we could have mowed the canal side were our boats were
moored.
peter
> Also were there any sailmakers there?
Loads of sailmakers - all the ones you'd expect plus some I hadn't
heard of. Asymmetric gennakers seem to be a big thing for them this
year.
ChrisR
"LeeShore" <lees...@fsmail.net> wrote in message
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ChrisR
>
> It was really quite mild.
> --
> Martin
down to the dregs now ;-)
ChrisR
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ChrisR
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:46:31 -0000, "ChrisR"
>
> --
> Martin
I'll turn the handle if you dress up in the suit
ChrisR
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:05:47 -0000, "Duncan Heenan"
> <duncan...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Martin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >news:312ds11f05cp7uat3...@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:47:43 -0000, "Duncan Heenan"
> >> <duncan...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"Martin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:c2ucs1hjqv2mgtbps...@4ax.com...
> >>>> snip <
> >>>> Bitburger German bier is merrily available for 40p for 1/2 litre tin
> >>>> locally. I can get almost 4 litres for the price of a pint at the
> >>>> London Boat Show.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Martin
> >>>
> >>>And based on the quality, it is still over-priced!
> >>
> >> IYHO :-)
> >>
> >My opinion is far from humble!
>
> Heineken too. :-)
> --
> Martin
Lager is top fermenting and bitter is bottom fermenting
Ronald Raygun
> Beer is the generic term. Try using a dictionary before going off at
> half cock.
You seem to be working up an impressive head of froth.
A dictionary is no help unless it's specialised enough.
Yes, beer is the level 0 generic term for all of them, be they yellow,
brown, black, etc. Trouble is, in the UK, beer is also used as the
level 1 generic term for all the brown ones, and lager for the yellow
ones.
On the continent, where most beers are yellow, this distinction is
not generally made, and the level 0 term "beer" applies to everything,
whilst "lager" applies only to a subset of varieties of yellow beers.
I don't know whether pils is a strict subset of lager in the continental
meaning, or a different kind of level 0 beer altogether, or whether it's
only the stuff made in Pilsen (geographically restricted like, say,
Armagnac) or anything made by the same method (much as there exist
"methode Champenoise" champagnes which cannot be called Champagne for
legal reasons), but in UK parlance, pils is definitely a subphylum of
lager, and therefore not a beer at level 1, though it is at level 0.
I believe in the UK the term "beer" is statistically more likely to be
used in the level 1 sense than the level 0 sense.
If someone offers you a beer, you might say "Thanks, but could I have a
lager instead?". If someone offers me a beer and gives me a lager, I
might say "Oh, you've given me lager, could I have a beer instead?".
-- "Sorry, mate, that's all there is."
-- "Oh, all right, then, cheers."
And then I have to pretend to like it. :-)
Stefan
says...
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:35:11 -0000, "ChrisR"
> <Ch...@removeyachtsmen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> >Lager is top fermenting and bitter is bottom fermenting
>
>
Anyone else driven by that big Courage brewery next to the M4 near
Reading and thought "That looks exactly like a chemical plant"?
News f2s
"ChrisR" <Ch...@removeyachtsmen.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Lager is top fermenting and bitter is bottom fermenting
Ahhh. So that's why Britain eats Marmite (the dregs of our brewing
process) while the continentals don't.
JimB
Stefan
ji...@seesignature.f2s.com says...
Nice theory but the lager-swilling Aussies love "Vegemite".
Pete Verdon
> Anyone else driven by that big Courage brewery next to the M4 near
> Reading and thought "That looks exactly like a chemical plant"?
We used to drive past that regularly to visit friends when my brother
and I were little. Because of the giant Courage logo on the side, we
used to call it "the chicken factory".
Pete
Pete Verdon
> On 12 Jan 2006 21:58:50 -0800, imole...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I saw a couple of sailmakers.
> One was smoking a cigarette on his stand. If I'd known he smoked, I
> would n't have bough an excellent mainsail from him :-)
Why on earth not?
Pete
Ian Sandell
<Ch...@removeyachtsmen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>I am looking for an inflatable tender did anyone notice if there were any
>good good offers at the show?
>Also were there any sailmakers there?
Loads of sailmakers, Doyles, Hyde, Kemp, Jeckells, Crusader, Arun,
Dolphin plus some others.
Ian
Nick Temple-Fry
>
>but chicken factories use Dutch water :-)
Only Tesco - if i correctly read your previous post.
Where I grew up the chicken factory was built on on a concrete raft
just short of the once navigatable head of a river (the head of
navigation was about 1/2 mile further along at an old matltings). They
used to have a diesel pump that fired up automatically to prevent
flooding. Uptil now I assumed the water was piped back into the river.
Chicken and chips anyone
Duncan Heenan
"Ian Sandell" <i...@sandell.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:49:33 +0100, Martin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>snip <
>>>Probably a lawn mower salesman
>>
>>or a nutter.
>
> or just German.
>
> Ian
For God's sake don't mention the beer........I did once, but I think I got
away with it.
TonyB
> Beer is the generic term. Try using a dictionary before going off at
> half cock.
Oh, hop it you two.
TonyB
TonyB
> good good offers at the show?
> Also were there any sailmakers there?
> Chris
There were inflatables - the cheapest with a transom was 299 but really was
pretty tiny.
Jeckells were there, notable due to Chris Jeckells unprofessionally smoking
on his stand.
TonyB
TonyB
Can't resist Martin. It's amazing value and I'd appreciate the groups
comments on it.
TonyB
TonyB
> >Probably a lawn mower salesman
Nah, they advertised for a trimmer and due to a communications error.....
TonyB
Keith Lewis
> around the real Heineken Brewery?
That's beside the M6 at Preston