Chandlery Rip Off!
John Barrett
chandlers, most things take on a gold coating!
"PyroJames" <pyro...@NOSPAM.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> As it seems to be the season for pointing out marine industry rip
> offs, I though I could add that I purchase bolts and screws in both SS
> and bronze through work, and had a quick look in the chandlers on the
> week end to see how they compare.
>
> East coast chandler 5 1.5'x8gg ss (A4) woodscrews Ł1.45 for 5
> Engineering supplier, 100 of the same Ł5.46! That's about a %500 mark
> up. In fact I can by silicon bronze stuff for less than half what I
> would have to pay a chandler for SS. That is a typical example, all
> other fixings, hinges, hose clamps and cotter pins appear to have
> similar mark ups.
>
> I don't know who is making the killing, but I doubt very much it is
> the manufacturer.
>
> Pyro.
>
stephen sumner
in turnover and they have to buy a large quantity to start with so they have
to make some dosh on the small amount they do sell to justify them selling
them at which I think is a bit sad:(
PyroJames <pyro...@NOSPAM.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> As it seems to be the season for pointing out marine industry rip
> offs, I though I could add that I purchase bolts and screws in both SS
> and bronze through work, and had a quick look in the chandlers on the
> week end to see how they compare.
>
> Engineering supplier, 100 of the same £5.46! That's about a %500 mark
Ralph Ferrand
pyro...@NOSPAM.ntlworld.com (PyroJames) wrote:
> As it seems to be the season for pointing out marine industry rip
> offs, I though I could add that I purchase bolts and screws in both SS
> and bronze through work, and had a quick look in the chandlers on the
> week end to see how they compare.
>
> East coast chandler 5 1.5'x8gg ss (A4) woodscrews Ł1.45 for 5
> Engineering supplier, 100 of the same Ł5.46! That's about a %500 mark
> up. In fact I can by silicon bronze stuff for less than half what I
> would have to pay a chandler for SS. That is a typical example, all
> other fixings, hinges, hose clamps and cotter pins appear to have
> similar mark ups.
>
> I don't know who is making the killing, but I doubt very much it is
> the manufacturer.
>
> Pyro.
>
>
I suspect the folk that seal 'em up in those plastic packets add a fair
whack on. But I don't think the chandlers are exactly on tight margins
either. I needed eight 6mm machine screws at the weekend and had to pay
Ł4.50 for them but it was cheaper to pay that than drive to some where
cheaper :-( It pisses me off paying the tight bastard that runs the
chandlers and boat yard where Cevema is at the moment. He is like a Jew
deprived of his natural generosity!
Fig
places to buy stuff, would your engineering supplier have been happy to sell
you 5 screws for even 50p or £1?
If you say he would, I'll crawl back into my hole.
Rgds,
Fig.
"PyroJames" <pyro...@NOSPAM.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> As it seems to be the season for pointing out marine industry rip
> offs, I though I could add that I purchase bolts and screws in both SS
> and bronze through work, and had a quick look in the chandlers on the
> week end to see how they compare.
>
> East coast chandler 5 1.5'x8gg ss (A4) woodscrews £1.45 for 5
> Engineering supplier, 100 of the same £5.46! That's about a %500 mark
Iain Pendry
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> On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:31:00 -0000, "Fig"
> >
> you spend the past thirty years trying to create a disposable lowest
> common denominator cheapo society and you have got it, no good
> complaining now that when you actually want to buy something that
> isn't a piece of shit it costs you an arm and a leg.
>
Up the revolution! Maggie Maggie Maggie Out Out Out.
rjh...@ucs.ed.ac.uk
>
> then Trage Mills opened, and within 12 months he has closed down, no
> trade...
My favourite Trago Mills `episode' was wandering past one day on the way
to the pontoon, and seeing one of their once-in-a-lifetime offers
advertised as being `The biggest give-away since Hong Kong'...
"Sharing the quay with the pubs, car park and over-keen wheel clampers
is the Falmouth branch of Trago Mills. A westcountry institution,
Cornwall's only department store and haven of euroskeptical Victorian
capitalism, the owner cuts quite the local figure with the distinctive
views he pays to advertise in the local rags. If you can bear the air of
xenophobia that permeates the four floor castle of commerce, the
bargains can be as outrageous as his views."
Definitely not the up end of the market, Trago Mills...
Surprisingly, they seem to be stockists of at least one brand of yacht paint:
http://www.jotun.co.uk/jotun_penguin.htm
RH
Ralph Ferrand
> falmouth high street, you could go in and ask for inch by eighths
> screws, and he would ask you what shape head, you might say
> countersunk, he would ask you what drive, you might say crosshead, he
> would ask you what material, you might say brass, he would ask you
> what coating, you might say nickel, he would open a drawer and ask how
> many you wanted, you might say anything from "one" to "ten pounds"
> (weight) and away you went.
>
> then Trage Mills opened, and within 12 months he has closed down, no
> trade...
>
> common denominator cheapo society and you have got it, no good
> complaining now that when you actually want to buy something that
> isn't a piece of shit it costs you an arm and a leg.
>
>
It is the way of the world.
Small businesses committed to good service cannot compete with large
businesses committed to making their idle shareholders richer.
When a business the size of Volvo cannot compete in the car industry
because it is too small it is clear that the world has gone mad.
It also pisses me off the amount of unnecessary packaging there is these
days. In the good old days you want screws ... the assistant counts you
out the screws and gives them to you; nowadays you take them off racking
in injection moulded packaging, always buying more than you want because
they are sold in fives and you want six. One invariably cuts oneself of
something else separating the little fuckers from the packaging. I trawl
arm fulls of unnecessary packaging out of my boat on a daily basis. It
pisses me off. I'm no tree hugger but there is no point in wasting the
earths resources just for the hell of it. We the consumer pay for the
packaging that we don't want. As a kid when one was flush enough to buy
lemonade, one paid a deposit on the bottle which was returned in exchange
for the bottle ... nowadays the economists would have us believe that it
is cheaper to make a new bottle than to wash the old one. Everything is
profit motivated these days. If you buy one of those inedible dog burgers
from Ronald Macdonald you come out with half a hundred weight of cardboard
and allied shite ... why? Why does my son want to be taken the Bugger
King? ... cos they give him some shite piece of plastic ... he is as
greedy a fucker as me and at nine years old can eat me under the table. He
has the poxy kids meal not because he can't eat a double whopper with half
a dozen bags of chips but because he wants the crappy piece of plastic
trivia they give him with the 'meal'. Society tells him and his peers that
they want these vulgar, useless lumps of low grade shite. Isn't it time
sanity returned?
Ralph Ferrand
>
>
> I have just returned to the keyboard from having a "chat" with a 16
> year old girl who was considering a pierced belly button...
>
> the same mass programming of society at work....
>
> a combination of "we used to stick pieces of metal on the cows etc on
> the farm to identify them as dumb animals" and "it *will* hurt,
> because I'll beat the crap out of you" and "if you can give me an
> intelligent reason why belly button piercing is ok, but kneecap
> piercing isn't, you can have one" won the day... however the
> programming is insidious and all pervasive...
>
> next time you go to the newsagents for your copy of "Tupperware
> Dreamer" take 30 seconds to look at the offerings aimed SQUARELY at 13
> year old girls, such wonderful content as "sexual position of the
> week", "how to enjoy oral sex" and pictures of pre-pubescent girls
> attired in such a way that if they were on the net every peado basher
> in chrisendom would be on't telly with carol (third in maths)
> vordermann having a field day...
>
frightening isn't it!
Why do the kids of today want to pierce themselves? A clit ring on the
right sort of purvey girlie is OK but the rings in their eye brows and
tongues and I have even seen them through the lip look so ugly. I think in
a way that it is a good method for branding morons. No one with an IQ of
more than 1 3/4 is going to fit a ring into their eye brow. I accompanied
the wife of a good friend of mine to a piercing parlour in Spain where
they live to have her belly button ring refitted. The proprietor of the
body abuse parlour was American and seemed to be an intelligent and well
rounded fellow if you did not look at the vile body 'jewellery' attached
to his bod. A biker I knew had had a 'Prince Albert' done but as he was a
psychopath I made a rapid exit when he showed it to the lads. I was
worried that any form of admiration or disgust would be enough to trigger
one of his regular fits of extreme violence. Will in the voluntary torture
chamber I thought I would find out what it was all about. He showed me
photographs of the finished article. Neither they nor his description of
the fixing of a surprisingly large ring entering through the eye of ones
knob and then exiting out the side encouraged me to have such an unnatural
op. I asked if it would not interfere with having a piss and he explained
that one had to sit down for a slash. One of the few things in a mans life
that make him seriously superior to the other gender is the ability to
take a piss when standing up without removing his clothing; so why, why
would someone want to fuck that up? Not to mention the pain involved. He
said that he had performed the op on an entire chapter of Hells Angels all
in one session. I bet that they have never felt so vulnerable!
chrisknibbs
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:43:07 +0000, guy fawkes <g...@surfbaud2002.org>
> wrote:
>
>
> >I have just returned to the keyboard from having a "chat" with a 16
> >year old girl who was considering a pierced belly button...
Great idea - get her to make it a BIG one then she'll have something to hook
on to - even when only wearing Summer swimwear who needs a harness.;>)
Chris
John L
and if possible, provide assistance. Pyro is correct his assumption that
packaged goods are very expensive and could be construed as a rip off but is
not all that straightforward. Where ever pre packs are sold, be it the local
iron monger or a South coast chandlery, they will cost considerably more
than the loose items.
I don't know which East Coast chandler Pyro is referring to, it could be us
but we sell our pre packs or that size at £1.30 - yep expensive but the
profit margin is 35% gross - not outrageous. However we do sell the 1.5" 8
gauge a4 s/s for 5.87 per hundred - a fair price we believe.
As to who is making the profits - it's not the Chandlers. Generally speaking
a chandlery needs a huge quantity of slow moving high cost stock, so these
generally have to be purchased though wholesalers and distributors and as
the stock is slow moving there is no advantage in buying in seriously large
bulk quantities therefore a decent margin must be maintained to stay in
business.
It is also worth bearing in mind that the marine industry is a minnow
compared to most other businesses, prices tend to start higher because
volumes are much lower and the cost of opening and maintaining a retail
business, any retail business, in the UK is horrendous.
I am sorry to disabuse you but chandlers in the UK work on gross margins
(discounts) of around 30% net margins (after costs) of around 8%, this is
very, very low.
There is a well worn trade joke:
How do you make a £1,000,000 in the marine industry? Start with £2,000,000!
The majority of people employed in this business do it for one of two
reasons, they enjoy the environment or they are unemployable elsewhere...
John
"PyroJames" <pyro...@NOSPAM.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
dennis.pogson
"Ralph Ferrand" <stu...@nospam.thedesignhouse-bristol.co.uk> wrote in
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Graham Frankland
> next time you go to the newsagents for your copy of "Tupperware
> Dreamer" take 30 seconds to look at the offerings aimed SQUARELY at 13
> year old girls, such wonderful content as "sexual position of the
> week", "how to enjoy oral sex" and pictures of pre-pubescent girls
> attired in such a way that if they were on the net every peado basher
> in chrisendom would be on't telly with carol (third in maths)
> vordermann having a field day...
>
someone in that age group, you would sound like a boring old fart and so
would I. Strange how, as we get older, we start to sound just like "our"
fathers did and we know what we used to think about their outdated views
when they ridiculed - drain pipes, drapes with velvet collars, brothel
creepers, winkle pickers, chissel toes, flares, long hair, flower power,
etc.etc.
Graham.
Rainer Thonnes
>
> certainly if you wanted to open a small chandlers in say topsham
> (river exe) the premises would cost you in excess of £25k per year...
>
> contrast that with the hordes of fucking "charity" shops that pay
> bugger all....
The obvious answer is for the RNLI to set up a chandlery chain.
> are you a member of your local chamber of commerce? this can help.
You mean masons?
Ian Johnston
wrote:
: Whilst not denying that marine supply outlets are buy far the most expensive
: places to buy stuff,
That was what I thought ... until I started having to buy aviation
stuff. Four quid for a single M10 washer, anyone?
Ian
PS OK, you're actually paying 10p for the washer and 3.90 for the
documentation trail which links that washer to the billet of steel it
came from, and to all other aircraft using bits of the same material,
but that doesn't make it any less painful...
--
pyrojames
John L <jack...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> As a chandler I often lurk in this group to get a feel for what is going
on
> and if possible, provide assistance. Pyro is correct his assumption that
> packaged goods are very expensive and could be construed as a rip off but
is
> not all that straightforward. Where ever pre packs are sold, be it the
local
> iron monger or a South coast chandlery, they will cost considerably more
> than the loose items.
>
> I don't know which East Coast chandler Pyro is referring to, it could be
us
> but we sell our pre packs or that size at £1.30 - yep expensive but the
> profit margin is 35% gross - not outrageous. However we do sell the 1.5" 8
> gauge a4 s/s for 5.87 per hundred - a fair price we believe.
At this rate, the pack of five costs you about a pound. I doubt you stock
less than three packs, and if you are offering 100 at 5.87, why not just
stock everything loose? You are obviously making a profit on the 100, so
couldn't you buy in 100s, sell at 100% mark up, under cut the packaged
stuff, and supply what ever people want in the quantity they want? I for one
would go to you (if you where within reasonable stiking distance) even if I
had to pay double. You would still be under half price on the prepacakged
stuff.
>
> It is also worth bearing in mind that the marine industry is a minnow
> compared to most other businesses, prices tend to start higher because
> volumes are much lower and the cost of opening and maintaining a retail
> business, any retail business, in the UK is horrendous.
>
You could get the same stock as I can, add 100% and still under cut the
packaged stuff, I don't get it. Enlighten me.
> I am sorry to disabuse you but chandlers in the UK work on gross margins
> (discounts) of around 30% net margins (after costs) of around 8%, this is
> very, very low.
>
Sounds like a crap job to me. But the above example suggests that you are
over charged. What about offshore suppliers?
> There is a well worn trade joke:
> How do you make a £1,000,000 in the marine industry? Start with
£2,000,000!
>
50% return? Sounds alright to me, Where can I invest?
> The majority of people employed in this business do it for one of two
> reasons, they enjoy the environment or they are unemployable elsewhere...
Oh dear. It sounds like academia. :)
Pyro
John L
"pyrojames" <pyro...@NOSPAM.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> John L <jack...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a6j08f$q8q$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > As a chandler I often lurk in this group to get a feel for what is going
> on
> > and if possible, provide assistance. Pyro is correct his assumption that
> > packaged goods are very expensive and could be construed as a rip off
but
> is
> > not all that straightforward. Where ever pre packs are sold, be it the
> local
> > iron monger or a South coast chandlery, they will cost considerably more
> > than the loose items.
> >
> Why stock the packaged stuff? No one likes the packaging.
If we didn't we would have to offer a much reduced choice, We dont buy, nor
can we afford to buy industrial quantities of esoteric fastenings. We stock
something like 1500 different types and sizes of stainless, too buy 100's
off at a time when we sell 2 or 3 units a year would be commercial suicide.
>
> > I don't know which East Coast chandler Pyro is referring to, it could be
> us
> > but we sell our pre packs or that size at £1.30 - yep expensive but the
> > profit margin is 35% gross - not outrageous. However we do sell the 1.5"
8
> > gauge a4 s/s for 5.87 per hundred - a fair price we believe.
>
> At this rate, the pack of five costs you about a pound. I doubt you stock
> less than three packs, and if you are offering 100 at 5.87, why not just
> stock everything loose? You are obviously making a profit on the 100, so
> couldn't you buy in 100s, sell at 100% mark up, under cut the packaged
> stuff, and supply what ever people want in the quantity they want? I for
one
> would go to you (if you where within reasonable stiking distance) even if
I
> had to pay double. You would still be under half price on the prepacakged
> stuff.
Mainly space considerations, previous comments notwithstanding.
>
> >
> > It is also worth bearing in mind that the marine industry is a minnow
> > compared to most other businesses, prices tend to start higher because
> > volumes are much lower and the cost of opening and maintaining a retail
> > business, any retail business, in the UK is horrendous.
> >
> You could get the same stock as I can, add 100% and still under cut the
> packaged stuff, I don't get it. Enlighten me.
As above, space and money invested, it can take a long time to shift 12mm x
6" hex machine screws and they take space and space costs money.
>
> > I am sorry to disabuse you but chandlers in the UK work on gross margins
> > (discounts) of around 30% net margins (after costs) of around 8%, this
is
> > very, very low.
> >
> Sounds like a crap job to me. But the above example suggests that you are
> over charged. What about offshore suppliers?
It's the nature of the beast, small specialised market. We can buy offshore
eg Taiwan at a lot less cost but it gives you an excess inventory problem
and you have to estimate your next years sales which is not that easy. Again
buy in bulk, it's got to be stored somewhere and that costs.
>
> > There is a well worn trade joke:
> > How do you make a £1,000,000 in the marine industry? Start with
> £2,000,000!
> >
> 50% return? Sounds alright to me, Where can I invest?
Negative 50%
Buy our business!
>
> > The majority of people employed in this business do it for one of two
> > reasons, they enjoy the environment or they are unemployable
elsewhere...
>
> Oh dear. It sounds like academia. :)
>
'fraid not Pyro, unsocial long hours in the summer nothing else to do the
rest of the year in a freezing shop, and the people you need to employ need
to know something about boats :)
> Pyro
>
>
Carl Meade
> but we sell our pre packs or that size at £1.30 - yep expensive but the
> profit margin is 35% gross - not outrageous. However we do sell the 1.5" 8
> gauge a4 s/s for 5.87 per hundred - a fair price we believe.
Is s/s stainless steel or sterling silver? :-)
Seriously even in the like of B&Q prices are similar, why there is
such a huge markup on pre packs I don't know. Why can't chandler's
(or even B&Q) have one open box selling screws at 10p each or you can
buy a whole box for £5.87. The seller is making a much larger profit
and the buyer is getting a much better deal than getting a pre pack?
Everyone is happy apart from the company that sells little sealed
plastic bags for £1!
Chris
a M4 washer? with out it getting very timeconsuming at checkout?
"Carl Meade" <carl_...@talk21.com> wrote in message
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Simon Brooke
> At this rate, the pack of five costs you about a pound. I doubt you stock
> less than three packs, and if you are offering 100 at 5.87, why not just
> stock everything loose?
Because it takes an assistant time to count out the number required,
stick them in a paper bag, and calculate the price, whereas an
untrained assistant can simply wave a barcode scanner at a pre-pack.
What you're paying for in retail is essentially two things:
stock-holding risk (items bought as stock may not sell) and time. The
more time it takes an assistant to serve an individual customer, the
more that individual customer has to pay, so the higher the markup
needs to be.
--
si...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
'Victories are not solutions.'
;; John Hume, Northern Irish politician, on Radio Scotland 1/2/95
;; Nobel Peace Prize laureate 1998; few have deserved it so much
Graham Frankland
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>
> Why stock the packaged stuff? No one likes the packaging.
>
packaging and in particular blister packs, often costs more than the goods
inside. Most manufacturers won't deal small quantities these days so the
shop has to buy via a wholesaler with his mark-up as well.
Speaking as an ex retailer (though not in the marine trade) there are
several reasons for pre-packaged small items - the supplier supplies the
rack which takes up little floor space, small loose items get stolen in
large quantities and lastly, not many shops can afford extra staff waiting
around to count say 10 of each of 10 sizes of self tappers over the counter.
I would be quite happy buying larger quantities of most things like self
tappers, pop rivets, nuts & bolts etc. in packs of 50 or so because I'm fed
up of being ripped off on small quantities - (I had to buy 4 x 10mm x 100mm
SS bolts & nuts at the weekend Ł2.20 each!) Unfortunately, I can't find
anyone dealing in "reasonable" quantities around here. Anyone have an
address of a good supplier?
Graham.
Rainer Thonnes
> such a huge markup on pre packs I don't know. Why can't chandler's
> (or even B&Q) have one open box selling screws at 10p each or you can
> buy a whole box for £5.87.
B&Q sell (or did, a few years ago) some of their nails and screws from
large open bins on a weigh-your-own basis, just like fruit&veg at the
supermarket. You fill your bag, bung it on the scales, press the button
to say what item it is, and the machine prints out a sticker with custom
barcode. Then you put in a few more, if you're so inclined, before
presenting the bag to the checkout chick.
Ian Johnston
<gdfltd@"nospam@"globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
: I would be quite happy buying larger quantities of most things like self
: tappers, pop rivets, nuts & bolts etc. in packs of 50 or so because I'm fed
: up of being ripped off on small quantities - (I had to buy 4 x 10mm x 100mm
: SS bolts & nuts at the weekend Ł2.20 each!) Unfortunately, I can't find
: anyone dealing in "reasonable" quantities around here. Anyone have an
: address of a good supplier?
I've just ordered a few selection packs from Screwfix ... I don't know
if their stainless will be up to much, but it's not - in this case -
for marine use anyway.
Ian
Ian Johnston
<gdfltd@"nospam@"globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
: I would be quite happy buying larger quantities of most things like self
: tappers, pop rivets, nuts & bolts etc. in packs of 50 or so because I'm fed
: up of being ripped off on small quantities - (I had to buy 4 x 10mm x 100mm
: SS bolts & nuts at the weekend Ł2.20 each!) Unfortunately, I can't find
: anyone dealing in "reasonable" quantities around here. Anyone have an
: address of a good supplier?
And a further thought ... I have also bought a lot of fastenings from
Toolmaster in Cowley Rd, Oxford. They have literally hundreds of bins
with nuts, bolts, screws, washers and nylocs in M4 - M12, 1/4" - 5/8"
UNF and UNC and some Whitworth too. Steel, stainless and brass. You
serve yourself and take your selection to the till where they do a
magic pricing process based, I suspect on, "four at 21p, five at 4p,
twenty two at 13p ... umm ... a fiver" and orff you go. There must be
more places like that lurking around, but I have no idea how you find
them. From the front it looks like a normal trade-y tool shop.
Ian
Tony Brooks
wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:54:48, "Graham Frankland"
><gdfltd@"nospam@"globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>: I would be quite happy buying larger quantities of most things like self
>: tappers, pop rivets, nuts & bolts etc. in packs of 50 or so because I'm fed
>: up of being ripped off on small quantities - (I had to buy 4 x 10mm x 100mm
>: SS bolts & nuts at the weekend £2.20 each!) Unfortunately, I can't find
>: anyone dealing in "reasonable" quantities around here. Anyone have an
>: address of a good supplier?
>
>And a further thought ... I have also bought a lot of fastenings from
>Toolmaster in Cowley Rd, Oxford. They have literally hundreds of bins
>with nuts, bolts, screws, washers and nylocs in M4 - M12, 1/4" - 5/8"
>UNF and UNC and some Whitworth too. Steel, stainless and brass. You
>serve yourself and take your selection to the till where they do a
>magic pricing process based, I suspect on, "four at 21p, five at 4p,
>twenty two at 13p ... umm ... a fiver" and orff you go. There must be
>more places like that lurking around, but I have no idea how you find
>them.
Drews - Caversham Road, Reading, About half a mile south of the bridge
From the front it looks like a normal trade-y tool shop.
>
>Ian
>
Tony Brooks
Peter Kay
<gdfltd@"nospam@"globalnet.co.uk> expounded publicly:
There is usually a decent stall at the boat jumbles Graham, I don't
know if you go to the one at Llanfair PG but it would probably be
worth a trip up the A55.
Regards,
Peter
Remove everything after uk to reply
Ian Sandell
<pyro...@NOSPAM.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>On 12 Mar 2002 12:06:44 GMT, engs...@ermine.ox.ac.uk (Ian Johnston)
>wrote:
>
>>I've just ordered a few selection packs from Screwfix ... I don't know
>>if their stainless will be up to much, but it's not - in this case -
>>for marine use anyway.
>
>They have sensible prices, but the stainless in 304. (or A2), which is
>OK for internal joinery type stuff but doesn't last that well on deck.
>
>Pyro.
I have not had problems with A2 on deck. Many chandlers stock A2 for
above waterline use.=20
Screwfit range of SS fasteners in both types and sizes.
Ian
AndersonMatt
>can we afford to buy industrial quantities of esoteric fastenings. We stock
>something like 1500 different types and sizes of stainless, too buy 100's
>off at a time when we sell 2 or 3 units a year would be commercial suicide.
Have the Chandlers considered a co-operative arrangement? It would be possible
to bulk buy at substantial discount, dividing the stock and therefore reducing
the costs. No massive slow moving inventory. A number of trades do this
already. Notably, many asian businesses do this and they manage to make very
respectable profits.
If any of you chaps are interested i would be happy to pursue enquiries you may
have.
Matt
AndersonMatt
>stick them in a paper bag, and calculate the price, whereas an
>untrained assistant can simply wave a barcode scanner at a pre-pack.
>
>What you're paying for in retail is essentially two things:
>stock-holding risk (items bought as stock may not sell) and time. The
>more time it takes an assistant to serve an individual customer, the
>more that individual customer has to pay, so the higher the markup
>needs to be.
Hmmmmm.....not really so in the chandlery game though is it? How many
chandlers have you been in where the assistant has people lining up, jostling
to be served? Every one i go in is not quite like a mortuary but pretty quiet
to say the least.
Matt
AndersonMatt
>: tappers, pop rivets, nuts & bolts etc. in packs of 50 or so because I'm fed
>: up of being ripped off on small quantities - (I had to buy 4 x 10mm x 100mm
>: anyone dealing in "reasonable" quantities around here. Anyone have an
>: address of a good supplier?
>
Where are you?
If you're anywhere near Hull try Scotts. They stock heaps of stuff and are very
reasonably priced. More to the point you can buy 1 of something without
undergoing limb surgery.
Matt
AndersonMatt
>aye, bloody computerised inventory systems......
>
>just like the pubs....
>
>when I was a barman we used to set a couple of pints going, knock off
>three or four shorts, finish the pints, have added up the total while
>doing this AND noticed the punter had a tenner, and drawn the correct
>change.....
>
>nowadays the poxy twats have to
>
>press button on till to identify staff member
>press button on till for pint of best
>press button on till for pint of lager
>press button on till for single gin
>press button on till for small tonic
>press button on till for single vodka
>press button on till for shot of coke
>press button on till for double rum
>press button on till for £20 tendered by punter
>till tells barperson (sic) correct change (which they can usually
>barely count) updates stock records and next brewery order...
>
>and the bastards still don't know basic drinks like brown splits...
>
>don't blame computers........
Can't say i always agree with GF but in this case i do. Whatever happened to a
proper barman who had your pint ready when he saw your car pull into the car
park?
Ted Sansom
Simon Brooke wrote in message
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>
>Because it takes an assistant time to count out the number required,
>stick them in a paper bag, and calculate the price, whereas an
>untrained assistant can simply wave a barcode scanner at a pre-pack.
>
>What you're paying for in retail is essentially two things:
>stock-holding risk (items bought as stock may not sell) and time. The
>more time it takes an assistant to serve an individual customer, the
At Christchurch Boat Shop they have an assortment of bins and drawers, brown
paper bags, and a pencil on a stick.
You write on the bag, 12 @ 5p, 6 @ 35p etc as you go. (Never had them
counted, but don't believe many people are likely to try it on at this sort
of small shop.)
If stock is getting low you tell them, and by next week its been filled up.
Selection isn't enormous, but they usually have something that will do.
prices are significantly higher than the 100 off engineering suppliers
prices, but much better than bubble packs (which is all you can get from the
other chandlers in Christchurch).
It seems to work, and plenty of people use it.
Ted
PyroJames
wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:41:57 +0000, PyroJames
>>They have sensible prices, but the stainless in 304. (or A2), which is
>>OK for internal joinery type stuff but doesn't last that well on deck.
>>
>>Pyro.
>I have not had problems with A2 on deck. Many chandlers stock A2 for
>above waterline use.=20
*shrug*
Rust stains, the heads breaking off and the twist on the the thread
fails for me. I won't use it now at all, even below decks. Bulk
supplies of A4 do me nicely, or SB.
Pyro
PyroJames
<t...@sansm.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>At Christchurch Boat Shop they have an assortment of bins and drawers, brown
>paper bags, and a pencil on a stick.
>You write on the bag, 12 @ 5p, 6 @ 35p etc as you go. (Never had them
>counted, but don't believe many people are likely to try it on at this sort
>of small shop.)
>If stock is getting low you tell them, and by next week its been filled up.
>Selection isn't enormous, but they usually have something that will do.
>prices are significantly higher than the 100 off engineering suppliers
>prices, but much better than bubble packs (which is all you can get from the
>other chandlers in Christchurch).
>It seems to work, and plenty of people use it.
As would I, if it was Ipswich way. Sound exactly like the sort of shop
I would like to establish a regular trade with. I used to use a timber
merchant in Sydney where you could wander the racks of teak and hand
select the pieces you wanted. Excellent service all the time.
Pyro
PyroJames
wrote:
>
>Can't say i always agree with GF but in this case i do. Whatever happened to a
>proper barman who had your pint ready when he saw your car pull into the car
>park?
>
*grin*
I haven't had that since I left Oz either, except it was a cute
barmaid (Clair) who used to start the drinks while we waited at the
lights. :)
Pyro
Rainer Thonnes
news:20020312150644...@mb-fr.aol.com...
> Can't say i always agree with GF but in this case i do. Whatever happened
to a
> proper barman who had your pint ready when he saw your car pull into the
car
> park?
They went out when the drink driving laws came in.
Carl Meade
> 2 reasons, shop lifting and computerised stock controle, how do you barcode
> a M4 washer? with out it getting very timeconsuming at checkout?
I'm not a thief and therefore possibly ignorant of these matters but
why is a loose screw easier to steel than a pack of 6?
Why not scan the barcode whenever a new box is opened. You might not
know exactly how many screws are in stock but I'd have thought knowing
how many boxes have been sold would be accurate enough for both
accountancy and purchasing.
Ian Sandell
wrote:
>>
>>aye, bloody computerised inventory systems......
>>
>>just like the pubs....
>>
>>when I was a barman we used to set a couple of pints going, knock off
>>three or four shorts, finish the pints, have added up the total while
>>doing this AND noticed the punter had a tenner, and drawn the correct
>>change.....
>>
SNIP
>
>Can't say i always agree with GF but in this case i do. Whatever happened to a
>proper barman who had your pint ready when he saw your car pull into the car
>park?
>
Maybe you don't get out enough. Plenty left in the home county
suburbs. Cant speak for the north or out in the sticks.
Ian
Rainer Thonnes
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>
> know exactly how many screws are in stock but I'd have thought knowing
> how many boxes have been sold would be accurate enough for both
> accountancy and purchasing.
The main reason for having barcode scanning is not stock control (that's
just a bonus) but saving a few seconds at point of sale.
Personally, I think any chandler who bothers with this new fangled
technology is not worth doing business with. You don't want
semi-trained cash register operators, you want someone who's
actually knowledgeable about the stuff they sell. You want some
old salt who actually owns the place, not some clueless employee.
Andy Champ
>
> Up the revolution! Maggie Maggie Maggie Out Out Out.
>
>
>
umm. Maggie *is* out. Welcome to the new millenium, and did you have a nice sleep?
Andy.
--
My real mail is Andy at Champ dash family dot freeserve dot net
Stuart Platts
"Ralph Ferrand" <stu...@nospam.thedesignhouse-bristol.co.uk> wrote in
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snip
> It is the way of the world.
>
> Small businesses committed to good service cannot compete with large
> businesses committed to making their idle shareholders richer.
>
> When a business the size of Volvo cannot compete in the car industry
> because it is too small it is clear that the world has gone mad.
>
> It also pisses me off the amount of unnecessary packaging there is these
> days. In the good old days you want screws ... the assistant counts you
> out the screws and gives them to you; nowadays you take them off racking
> in injection moulded packaging, always buying more than you want because
> they are sold in fives and you want six. One invariably cuts oneself of
> something else separating the little fuckers from the packaging. I trawl
> arm fulls of unnecessary packaging out of my boat on a daily basis. It
> pisses me off. I'm no tree hugger but there is no point in wasting the
> earths resources just for the hell of it. We the consumer pay for the
> packaging that we don't want. As a kid when one was flush enough to buy
> lemonade, one paid a deposit on the bottle which was returned in exchange
> for the bottle ... nowadays the economists would have us believe that it
> is cheaper to make a new bottle than to wash the old one. Everything is
> profit motivated these days. If you buy one of those inedible dog burgers
> from Ronald Macdonald you come out with half a hundred weight of cardboard
> and allied shite ... why? Why does my son want to be taken the Bugger
> King? ... cos they give him some shite piece of plastic ... he is as
> greedy a fucker as me and at nine years old can eat me under the table. He
> has the poxy kids meal not because he can't eat a double whopper with half
> a dozen bags of chips but because he wants the crappy piece of plastic
> trivia they give him with the 'meal'. Society tells him and his peers that
> they want these vulgar, useless lumps of low grade shite. Isn't it time
> sanity returned?
Yes! :-)
Chris
the bar when you walk through the door does still exist but you have to
search to find them.
Chris
"AndersonMatt" <anders...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >
AndersonMatt
>barmaid (Clair) who used to start the drinks while we waited at the
>lights. :)
>
Yeah. I spent last year in East Timor and we had an Aussie barmaid at my local
watering hole and she had 'em out ready on the bar when we got there. Poured
some drinks too!
Simon Gillow
was there he counted out the bolts for me. Certainly a better option than
the other chandlers in Christchurch and Poole.
Simon
"Ted Sansom" <t...@sansm.globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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JohnHowell
to leave the house! Beat that Ozzy.news:20020313113705...@mb-mt.aol.com...
James
oh dear.............
"Ralph Ferrand" <stu...@nospam.thedesignhouse-bristol.co.uk> wrote in
message news:memo.2002031...@designhouse.cix.co.uk...
>
> >
> >
> > I have just returned to the keyboard from having a "chat" with a 16
> > year old girl who was considering a pierced belly button...
> >
> > the same mass programming of society at work....
> >
> > a combination of "we used to stick pieces of metal on the cows etc on
> > the farm to identify them as dumb animals" and "it *will* hurt,
> > because I'll beat the crap out of you" and "if you can give me an
> > intelligent reason why belly button piercing is ok, but kneecap
> > piercing isn't, you can have one" won the day... however the
> > programming is insidious and all pervasive...
> >
> > next time you go to the newsagents for your copy of "Tupperware
> > Dreamer" take 30 seconds to look at the offerings aimed SQUARELY at 13
> > year old girls, such wonderful content as "sexual position of the
> > week", "how to enjoy oral sex" and pictures of pre-pubescent girls
> > attired in such a way that if they were on the net every peado basher
> > in chrisendom would be on't telly with carol (third in maths)
> > vordermann having a field day...
> >
> frightening isn't it!
>
>
> Why do the kids of today want to pierce themselves? A clit ring on the
> right sort of purvey girlie is OK but the rings in their eye brows and
> tongues and I have even seen them through the lip look so ugly. I think in
> a way that it is a good method for branding morons. No one with an IQ of
> more than 1 3/4 is going to fit a ring into their eye brow. I accompanied
> the wife of a good friend of mine to a piercing parlour in Spain where
> they live to have her belly button ring refitted. The proprietor of the
> body abuse parlour was American and seemed to be an intelligent and well
> rounded fellow if you did not look at the vile body 'jewellery' attached
> to his bod. A biker I knew had had a 'Prince Albert' done but as he was a
> psychopath I made a rapid exit when he showed it to the lads. I was
> worried that any form of admiration or disgust would be enough to trigger
> one of his regular fits of extreme violence. Will in the voluntary torture
> chamber I thought I would find out what it was all about. He showed me
> photographs of the finished article. Neither they nor his description of
> the fixing of a surprisingly large ring entering through the eye of ones
> knob and then exiting out the side encouraged me to have such an unnatural
> op. I asked if it would not interfere with having a piss and he explained
> that one had to sit down for a slash. One of the few things in a mans life
> that make him seriously superior to the other gender is the ability to
> take a piss when standing up without removing his clothing; so why, why
> would someone want to fuck that up? Not to mention the pain involved. He
> said that he had performed the op on an entire chapter of Hells Angels all
> in one session. I bet that they have never felt so vulnerable!
rjh...@ucs.ed.ac.uk
> As it seems to be the season for pointing out marine industry rip
> offs, I though I could add that I purchase bolts and screws in both SS
> and bronze through work, and had a quick look in the chandlers on the
> week end to see how they compare.
etc.
I haven't been following this thread particularly closely as I don't own
a boat at the moment, but this am I came across a chandlery which *may*
fit the bill for some of you:
Classic Marine
Lime Kiln Quay
Woodbridge
Suffolk
IP12 1BD
01394-380390
in...@ClassicMarine.co.uk
http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/
I have not used this outfit and have no connection with them, but their
catalogue makes it look as if it might be worthwhile taking a closer
look...
RH
PyroJames
> http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/
>
> I have not used this outfit and have no connection with them, but their
> catalogue makes it look as if it might be worthwhile taking a closer
> look...
I have used them and they are really quite good. Better value than most
chandlers, but can't compete with engineering suppliers. They will
supply you one of anything though, so you can't really complain about
them putting on a bit of a margin, which IIRC is about 100%.
They have nice gear, and once my account recovers from the winter refit,
I shall get some new portholes for the cockpit and deadlights for my new
cabin doors.
--
PyroJames
Where I like, when I like, in whatever I like to wear.
rjh...@ucs.ed.ac.uk
> rjh...@ucs.ed.ac.uk wrote:
>
> > http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/
> >
> > I have not used this outfit and have no connection with them, but their
> > catalogue makes it look as if it might be worthwhile taking a closer
> > look...
>
> I have used them and they are really quite good. Better value than most
> chandlers, but can't compete with engineering suppliers. They will
> supply you one of anything though, so you can't really complain about
> them putting on a bit of a margin, which IIRC is about 100%.
What jumped off the page at me was:
a) they will supply single items
b) there does seem to be a discount for relatively small quantities
of different sorts of fixings, making the price (relatively) more
attractive. Nae doot, this means that they more nearly approach
the nirvana of the `engineering suppliers'
c) they do lots of other traditional boaty bits.
RH
PyroJames
>
> What jumped off the page at me was:
>
> a) they will supply single items
> b) there does seem to be a discount for relatively small quantities
> of different sorts of fixings, making the price (relatively) more
> attractive. Nae doot, this means that they more nearly approach
> the nirvana of the `engineering suppliers'
> c) they do lots of other traditional boaty bits.
Indeed. Timber blocks, and oil lamps, and lotsa nice bronze deckware...
if only I had another income purely to spend on the boat.. :)