Non type approved rigs
mickey
approved rigs without fear of having them confiscated?
I have a friend who is going to the USA next month, and I am
wondering if he can bring one back for me?
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possesed that is not type approved (cb stuff that is)
but then since when did the rules that stifle freedom of speech stop
anybody ;-~)
ian
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Mook
is not subsequently modified ;-)
mickey
>i believe its ok to import single band 28mhz amateur equipment
so long as it
>is not subsequently modified ;-)
>
Cheers Mickey
Steve Hurley
> Can someone enlighten me...is it now possible to import non-type
> approved rigs without fear of having them confiscated?
>
> I have a friend who is going to the USA next month, and I am
> wondering if he can bring one back for me?
Don't bother...
Your friend could end up with a lot of explaining to do at UK customs!
Just order the radio from somewhere like Waterford Communications in
Ireland. They'll deliver next day to UK with no risks and you'll get a VAT
receipt.
It's one of the advantages of being in the E.U.
Anyway, US CB equipment is in many cases of an inferior spec. to the
European stuff, often having no FM, for example.
The new laws regarding single band amateur radio gear seem to be confusing
to say the least. Some people on this ng like to shout their mouth off about
things being illegal when most of the time they're just making it up.
The way I see it is, if a "broadbanded" amateur HF set is legal (and I
believe it is as long as it's only used to transmit "in band") then so is a
President Lincoln that has been expanded to cover 11 meters as it can be
used legally on 10 meters with an amateur licence. The only radios I believe
to be illegal to own are non type approved radios that operate exclusively
within the 27Mhz band, but I may be wrong.
Perhaps someone who really DOES know the facts can enlighten us.
Mook
modified to transmit outside a band - i note on the icom website for
instance that they require request in writing that you do not intend to use
the equipment inside the uk if you wish to buy the 'export' version. i'm not
sure how this works if you want to take the radio abroad though...
Steve Hurley <hur...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Dalton
Anything using the MC145106 IC can cover 12 metres as well as 10
metres (but not usually at the same time because of the limited
range of most VCOs).
The Dirland / Cobra radios, covering 12 bands of 40 channels,
are not single band 10 metre radios, they are 12/10 metre radios
which can also transmit on the CB.
Remember that you will usually only get into trouble for
_transmitting_ outside the bands, they don't care what radio you
are using to do it with.
Simon
Jon Harris
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> NO, the RA specificaly states that NO equipement can be sold, imported or
> possesed that is not type approved (cb stuff that is)
I think he was referring to the Ham restriction being lifted/relaxed on the
importation of 10m monoband radios, rather than the importation of 11m CBs.
Cheers,
Jon.
Axle Jack
> believe it is as long as it's only used to transmit "in band")
Thats right :-)
> then so is a
> President Lincoln that has been expanded to cover 11 meters as it can be
> used legally on 10 meters with an amateur licence.
I'm still trying to get this clarified, but it is only legal to import a
non-expanded lincoln. You may also have to be a ham or a dealer, but I'm
still trying to get this in writing. They are deliberatly trying to cloud
the whole deal. More info when I get it.
Axle Jack
> modified to transmit outside a band
It is legal to own any transmitting radio, so long as you dont transmit on
it. Unless it is a CB which does not conform to the legal FM spec.
I seem to be repeating myself a lot recently. Why will nobody believe me?
If anyone wants to discuss this matter further, please email me direct and I
will provide them with mails I received from the RA.
mickey
radio as a scanner, and not to transmit. However, it may not
stand up in court, unless for arguments sake there was no mike
attached.
These are the sort of legal technicalities that make lawyers
rich Hehehe.
If what you say is correct (and I have no reason to doubt it),
then there is nothing the RA could do about it?
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Axle Jack
> then there is nothing the RA could do about it?
If you have an amateur HF rig expanded to tx on 27megs, they cant take it
off you unless they actually catch you transmitting with it. It is legal to
posses. However, I would warn that the technology available these days, it
may be easy to prove you were transmitting on a particular rig without
actually having to see you do it.
But if you dont cause any agro, why would they go to the expense :-)
Having the mic unplugged makes no legal difference, if the antenna and power
supply is hooked up then it is "established as a transmitting station".
But then, in a hobby which is obviously in complete anarchy worldwide,
arguing the finer points of the law makes little difference :-)
Keep up the good work.
Jon Harris
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> > i think even as an ametuer it is illegal to possess a radio that has
been
> > modified to transmit outside a band
>
> It is legal to own any transmitting radio, so long as you dont transmit on
> it. Unless it is a CB which does not conform to the legal FM spec.
>
> I seem to be repeating myself a lot recently. Why will nobody believe me?
:-) I'll be adding this one in the FAQ shortly!
Cheers,
Jon.
phil
>I'm still trying to get this clarified, but it is only legal to import a
>non-expanded lincoln. You may also have to be a ham or a dealer, but I'm
>still trying to get this in writing. They are deliberatly trying to cloud
>the whole deal. More info when I get it.
>
>
>The only radios I believe
>> to be illegal to own are non type approved radios that operate exclusively
>> within the 27Mhz band, but I may be wrong.
Nothing's clouded.
The RA, Radio Communications Agency, not The Radio authority produce
printed leaflets explaining what is, and is not, legal.
You 'can' import a single band transceiver for 10m or 12m with any and
all modes legally.
You must of course pay all excise duty and VAT on any import unless
within the EC where only duty will be payable.
Also, you must of course hold a suitable licence to not just operate but
'possess' said transmitter.
No, one cannot modify a non type approved 11m transceiver to operate on
amateur bands. That rule ran out years ago.
Info came from the mouth of Mr Clive Corrie, Birmingham Office of the RA
directly into my lugholes a couple of years back at the Leicester show.
He was returning some of my equipment and paperwork taken in a raid on
my house.
He won, I lost.
However, he did clear up the above points.
And no, it was not 11m or amateur band related!
Would I do a thing like that?
Phil G4ZOW / Unit 148
Tony Langdon
17 Jul 00 23:08, you wrote to All:
M> i think even as an ametuer it is illegal to possess a radio that has
M> been modified to transmit outside a band - i note on the icom website
This would be absurd! Why? Because hams may not use the radio as is - it
could be an exciter for a transverter, for instance. As an example, I need my
10m box to go all the way to 30 MHz so I can operate a 2m transverter in the
145.9 MHz satellite band. All perfectly legal with an out of band radio.
Similarly, when working 70cm FM (439 MHz) with the 2m - 70cm transverter, I
need to hit it with 151 MHz! :-)
Oh, and if my CB has been modified to "fill in" the skips between the US 40
channels, that's perfect for the 80m transverter....
As I said, to not allow hams to own gear which has been modified to transmit
out of band is plain absurd. Fortunately, on this side of the planet, some
sanity prevails, and hams here have an exemption from this clause (they are
assumed to be responsible enough not to transmit out of band - though there
seem to be a lot of Yaesu CBs around, especially on uhf! :) ).
Tony
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Tony Langdon
18 Jul 00 18:54, you wrote to All:
AJ> If you have an amateur HF rig expanded to tx on 27megs, they cant take
AJ> it off you unless they actually catch you transmitting with it. It is
AJ> legal to posses. However, I would warn that the technology available
AJ> these days, it may be easy to prove you were transmitting on a
AJ> particular rig without actually having to see you do it. But if you
TX fingerprinting. :-) Actually, you can get a program to do that on a PC with
a Sound Blaster.
AJ> dont cause any agro, why would they go to the expense :-) Having the
AJ> mic unplugged makes no legal difference, if the antenna and
AJ> power supply is hooked up then it is "established as a transmitting
AJ> station". But then, in a hobby which is obviously in complete anarchy
AJ> worldwide, arguing the finer points of the law makes little difference
AJ> :-) Keep up the good work.
I think the point is if they want to get you, they will, but they'll more
likely ignore you.
Tony
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Steve Hurley
Thanks everyone for the info.
Just as I thought; we're being governed by complete morons.
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Steve Hurley <hur...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Axle Jack
Axle Jack
> 'possess' said transmitter.
Not any more you dont. The regs have changed.
But as I think I said on another thread, the gear is arriving, RA approved
or not, so who cares :-)
phil
>> Also, you must of course hold a suitable licence to not just operate but
>> 'possess' said transmitter.
>
>Not any more you dont.
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> The regs have changed.
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I'm interested in your reference source for this information.
That changes everything!
Later
Phil / Surrey
mickey
Mook
i agree entirely with you ! what if i build a transmitter intended for
145mhz and i f#*k up and i transmit on 26mhz (not unheard of round here !)
SI 2000 is the document refered to in the press about the relaxation of the
importation of single band 28mhz equipment - i havent seen this.
i think as other postings have said the RA are clouding the issue - the RA
license does not refer to any restriction on the ownership of equipment
i would like to clear this up as i want to know where i stand before
importing a 28mhz radio - ready for when i pass my morse exam of course ;-)
sorry for the long info on here (i'm sure some of the others have already
seen these - they're all on RA website) but some others may find it useful
firstly there's the all embracing bit:
Legislation
Six main Acts have been passed in the area: the Wireless Telegraphy Acts of
1949, 1967 and 1998, the Telecommunications Act 1984, the Broadcasting Act
1990 and the Marine, &c, Broadcasting (Offences) Act 1967. A number of
statutory instruments have been made under these Acts covering control of
interference, control of sales of unapproved apparatus, control of the
content of transmissions, setting of licence fees, and exempting certain
apparatus from licensing requirements. The Telecommunications Act 1984
amended some of the provisions of the Wireless Telegraphy Acts, giving
increased enforcement powers against the circulation of illegal unapproved
equipment and non-licensed use. The Marine, &c, Broadcasting (Offences) Act
1967 prohibits broadcasting from ships, offshore structures and aircraft in
UK territorial waters or from ships or aircraft registered in the UK
wherever located and certain acts facilitating such broadcasts. The
Broadcasting Act 1990 amended the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949 to create new
offences and increase the penalties for unlicensed transmissions.
It also amended the Marine, &c, Broadcasting (Offences) Act 1967 to make it
unlawful to broadcast to the UK from a ship within prescribed areas of the
high seas. Statutory Instruments use the powers conferred by the Acts to
implement the controls which are required.
The EMC regulations, which although not primary legislation (they are made
under the European Communities Act 1972) are important to mention here. They
affect all electrical and electronic apparatus, including radio
communications equipment, and set out the approval regime for certifying
that the apparatus complies with the standards of immunity to interference
both to and from apparatus.
SI 2027 (CB) & 2028 (RA) docs include the following:
1.3 It is required by the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949 that no radio
equipment is installed or used in the UK except under the authority of a
licence granted by or otherwise exempted by regulations made by the
Secretary of State. It is a condition of such a licence or exemption
regulations as appropriate that the equipment must meet the minimum
requirements specified in this UK Interface Requirement for the stated
equipment types and for the stated frequency bands.
this following bit applies to suppliers who want to import equipment for
exhibition use:
2. Restricted apparatus
Possession of radio equipment under this category is an offence and would
normally be seized by the Agency, but it is recognised that exhibitions are
more than for the UK market. Consequently exhibitors who show products of
this type must obtain prior permission from the Agency enclosing a technical
specification with their application. Such radio equipment can only be
brought into the UK under a restricted import order ensuring copies of this
paperwork are readily available for inspection by Agency staff. Under no
circumstances can restricted radio apparatus be used, installed or connected
to any power source including batteries. Only visual display can be
authorised and ideally each radio should be labelled "cannot be legally used
in the UK".
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Jon Harris
> I'll send you all the info I have so you may quote from it.
Thanks for that, all received OK, apologies for further email replies...
<hangs head in shame>
Jon.
Jon Harris
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>
> Thanks everyone for the info.
>
> Just as I thought; we're being governed by complete morons.
<Humph!>But not at local level of course! :-)
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