CCBN AGM: Regional Associations
Richard Burnham
This is my preliminary proposal for the reform of regional arrangements
in CCBN. (I have already posted here my arguments for reform and I shall
in time post them on british-naturism.info.)
This is a 2-stage process, but both stages will need a motion at the
next AGM. I shall go through the constitution and later post the changes
that I think need to be made.
The NW Regional Association (RA), as an example, represents only
(landed?) clubs. There is no point in abolishing the RAs; presumably
they serve a purpose for the clubs, and in any case those who control
them would fight to retain whatever power they have.
My suggestion is that the RAs should simply be cut loose, as they are
hardly a true part of CCBN in any case (there doesn't seem to be any
requirement that member clubs of an RA have to be members of CCBN).
These proposals will have no effect on them, except that they could not
use 'CCBN' in their names or present themselves as being part of CCBN,
and they would receive no money from CCBN. RAs could, of course,
affiliate with CCBN under whatever arrangements are in place at the
time.
In the place of RAs, the EC would be instructed to consult with the
membership on establishing a genuine regional/local organisation for
CCBN members.
Step (1): all references to RAs are removed, and replaced where
appropriate by references to 'regions'. All regional boundaries remain
unchanged for now.
Members no longer have any connection with the RA.
Members reps remain unchanged for now. (They appear to have no
constitutional standing in any case. Something to deal with separately.)
Elections of regional reps remain unchanged for now. Where no candidate
is nominated, co-option reverts to the EC until a genuine regional
organisation is in place. (There is less likely to be a need for
co-option when there is a genuine regional organisation involving the
members).
Step (2): EC is instructed to consult with the membership on
establishing a genuine regional/local organisation, with the following
criteria:
- The regional/local organisations should have a good degree of autonomy
- The membership should be based on individual members. (It is possible
that the regional/local organisations could establish some kind of
associate membership for people who don't want to belong to a national
organisation.)
- They should have the explicit aim of promoting, supporting,
co-ordinating and publicising naturism and naturist events and
activities in their area, open to all members, and enabling contact
between CCBN members in their area for the advancement of naturism.
(This would not exclude events based on clubs, as long as they were open
to all members, but might include other things such as events on beaches
based on the Nude Tolerance Guidelines.)
Finally, here are the current objects of the NW RA. You can see it is
exclusively club-based.
1. The object of the Region shall be to co-ordinate the recreational and
social events of the member Clubs to the mutual and common advantage of
those Clubs.
2. To ensure that the Clubs within the Region conform to the highest
moral standards and operate within the terms of the C.C.B.N.
constitution and the dictates of the C.C.B.N. A.G.M.
3. To further the development of new Clubs within the Regional
boundaries laid down by CCBN and promote the goodwill of all peoples,
government and public bodies within that Region.
4. To advise all new Clubs being formed within the Region, on matters of
establishing and developing themselves.
--
Richard Burnham----------------------------------------
Shropshire naturists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ShropshireNaturistsAndNudists/
To reply, change "zz" to "uk".
Stephen Doerr
news:LtoU53HH...@wiseword.demon.co.uk:
> Step (2): EC is instructed to consult with the membership
> on establishing a genuine regional/local organisation, with
> the following criteria:
> - The membership should be based on individual members. (It
> is possible that the regional/local organisations could
> establish some kind of associate membership for people who
> don't want to belong to a national organisation.)
CCBN itself is a coalition of two 'constituencies' - clubs and
individual members. Any proposed regional structure should
mirror this, i.e. clubs should participate *as clubs* as well as
those of their members who are CCBN members having a role as
members.
--
Steve
Michael Berridge
Richard Burnham wrote in message ...
>
>Finally, here are the current objects of the NW RA. You can see it is
>exclusively club-based.
>1. The object of the Region shall be to co-ordinate the recreational
and
>social events of the member Clubs to the mutual and common advantage of
>those Clubs.
> 2. To ensure that the Clubs within the Region conform to the highest
>moral standards and operate within the terms of the C.C.B.N.
>constitution and the dictates of the C.C.B.N. A.G.M.
>3. To further the development of new Clubs within the Regional
>boundaries laid down by CCBN and promote the goodwill of all peoples,
>government and public bodies within that Region.
>4. To advise all new Clubs being formed within the Region, on matters
of
>establishing and developing themselves.
>
>--
I seriously suggest that the NW region looks at it's constitution,
article Number one is at odds with article number two. The BN AGM has
already said that all regions MUST hold an annual meeting to which all
members are invited.
Item 3 they obviously only play lip service to as many clubs will not
even give out a telephone number so that people can get in touch with
them.
Most regions are now looking to a one person one vote for regional
officers, although due to cost of postage problems it may not be
possible to have postal voting, but only those attending voting.
Look to the NW to introduce this in about 2050.
Richard Burnham
<Michael....@ukgateway.net> writes
>I seriously suggest that the NW region looks at it's constitution,
>article Number one is at odds with article number two. The BN AGM has
>already said that all regions MUST hold an annual meeting to which all
>members are invited.
>
>Item 3 they obviously only play lip service to as many clubs will not
>even give out a telephone number so that people can get in touch with
>them.
>
>Most regions are now looking to a one person one vote for regional
>officers, although due to cost of postage problems it may not be
>possible to have postal voting, but only those attending voting.
>
>Look to the NW to introduce this in about 2050.
I think the EC should take the initiative on this. It is not good enough
to 'look to' the regions introduce it themselves.
The 'highest moral standards' clause might cause a clash of cultures if
individuals became members, because I suspect that a lot of the club
types would be horrified at nude skydivers, nude cyclists, nude diners
and the like :)
J.L.E
"Anthony Evans" <a...@poggo.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7jddpu8anf6ajve74...@4ax.com...
<snip the usaul Anthony rant>
>
> This group is for the discussion of Naturism per se. Not yours or
the
> Cabal's private political debating chamber.
It is not his 'private debating chamber', as anyone who look at the
number of other messages, and as he is discussing the possible future
of naturism he is on topic.
--
If replying by E-mail, mind the Spam trap.
Richard Burnham
<a...@poggo.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>
>Dear Mr Burnham
>
>Your attempt to hi-jack this group with your personal political agenda
>has been noted.
>You have created a website to support your ego and failed political
>aspirations, so use it
>In future, please post information regarding your attempts at
>political manipulation there and then pointers to them here.
>
>Any future attempts to post your political agenda here will result in
>formal complaints to your ISP, as did the political rantings of Watson
>and O'neil
>
>This group is for the discussion of Naturism per se. Not yours or the
>Cabal's private political debating chamber.
>
>uk.rec.naturist.politics
>Which I would support whole heartedly
>
>Consider this a warning
Dear Mr Evans,
My postings here are concerned with naturism and a naturist
organisation, and are entirely on topic, as are the postings of Messrs
Watson and O'Neill. If you don't like the discussion, then ignore it.
Your incessant harassment of others whose opinions you don't like and
also of newcomers to the group, however, is a blatant disregard of
netiquette and of the charter of this newsgroup. Consider this a
warning: if you don't stop, then a dossier will be sent to your ISP.
As you have prevented archiving of your posts (because, presumably, you
don't have the courage of your own convictions) you are now out of my
killfile specifically for the purpose of building this dossier.
PS: Collecting material for the dossier should not be difficult, Mr
Evans: you account for over 10% of the article headers I have received
from this group over the last 60 days. I haven't even managed a quarter
of your output, and you are well ahead of the second-runner (Mike
Berridge).
marika
>
> Dear Mr Evans,
>
> My postings here are concerned with naturism and a naturist
> organisation, and are entirely on topic, as are the postings of Messrs
> Watson and O'Neill. If you don't like the discussion, then ignore it.
>
> Your incessant harassment of others whose opinions you don't like and
> also of newcomers to the group, however, is a blatant disregard of
> netiquette and of the charter of this newsgroup. Consider this a
> warning: if you don't stop, then a dossier will be sent to your ISP.
Do they have organizations in the UK as they do in the US that try to
encourage people to drive more than single occupancy vehicles to help
clean up the air. Do you have HOV lanes? Do you drive fuel cell cars
yet?
mk5000
"With smaller cars and fuel cell technology that`s
coming soon, we will be able to cut emissions from
automobiles in half" --Ted Turner
Richard Burnham
<a...@poggo.freeserve.co.uk> writes
[pathetic bleatings deleted]
>HAHAHAHAHA what for old man.
I'm 54 years young. How old is Ant?
>Are you trying to Censor free speech now ?
I'm not the one who keeps on reporting people to their ISPs for posting
things here he doesn't like, as Ant does. However, the ISPs have the
sense to ignore him (as he has admitted).
I shall continue to post my comments on CCBN here as I see fit, without
regard to him. I shall endeavour to stay on topic. Others are free to
read and respond to what I write, or ignore it, as they wish. It's none
of Ant's business beyond that. End of discussion on that matter, as far
as I am concerned.
>>PS: Collecting material for the dossier should not be difficult, Mr
>>Evans: you account for over 10% of the article headers I have received
>>from this group over the last 60 days. I haven't even managed a quarter
>>of your output, and you are well ahead of the second-runner (Mike
>>Berridge).
If you want to know who really has 'hijacked' this group, over the 60
days referred to, Ant posted a *minimum* of 400 kb of text (including
headers) to this group, although it was probably double that or more, as
many of the posts had already been expired from my news server. Most of
what was available consisted of reposting of complete articles with
one-liners attached. My own efforts totalled 126kb (including headers).
Over the same 60 day period, Ant posted at least 206 times, although it
was probably more, because he posts under different names. He was
comfortably ahead of the second-runner with about 140. Few people posted
over 100 times. I posted 47 times.
journalist-north
"Richard Burnham" <c...@wiseword.demon.co.zz> wrote in message
news:tpD6cwF8...@wiseword.demon.co.uk...
--------
There is a constitutional solution at the national (CCBN) level:
http://www.british-naturism.org.uk/Constitution_01.htm
4 Regional Associations
(general provisions)
6. Regional Constitutions
Each Regional Association shall formulate its own constitution setting out
administrative arrangements for electing its own officers and conducting its
business, and shall supply to the Executive Council a copy of such
constitution and of any amendments subsequently made thereto. The provisions
contained in such constitutions and amendments shall be subject to approval
by the Executive Council. Member Clubs, Individual Members and Affiliated
Organisations shall abide by the constitutions of the Regional Associations
to which they are assigned. Any breach by them of the provisions of such
constitutions shall be subject to the procedures set out in Article 21.
21. Suspension and Exclusion
(reference only to section title)
-------
As the EC has (absolute) approval authority over a regional constitution -
any serious dispute with regional constitutional wording can be effectively
dealt with by the EC withdrawing approval of the regional constitution (or,
in part, the offending wording)
Clubs and others within a region are bound to observe the regional
constitution - and so any changes imposed by the will of the EC would be
ultimately binding on clubs and members.
This, Article 6 of the CCBN constitution, can be used to - effectively -
speedily - AND PRE-EMOTIVELY - deal with the issues Mike has raised, as well
as other issues, such as anti-discrimination "policies" established by the
EC - and which point to de facto illegal discrimination policies at regional
or club level, and which the EC wishes to see incorporated into, or
corrected in, regional constitutions.
But then again, the EC will probably take another 48 years to get around to
it...
Journalist
marc
> Post proof that I ever posted as someone else, along with all relevant
> dates and headers or apologise (though I doubt you will as you are
> spineless)
> I don't need to post as anyone else and have never done so since I
> used Tones account many many years ago.
"never done so since I used Tones account" ="Post proof"
--
Marc
T Shirts, Sweatshirts, polo shirts, banners,
signs,decals, stickers etc for clubs and associations of all types
http://www.jaceeprint.demon.co.uk/
Andy R
"marc" <ma...@jaceeprint.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1fjbwlo.duhmk79xv7gsN%ma...@jaceeprint.demon.co.uk...
> Anthony Evans <a...@poggo.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Post proof that I ever posted as someone else, along with all relevant
> > dates and headers or apologise (though I doubt you will as you are
> > spineless)
> > I don't need to post as anyone else and have never done so since I
> > used Tones account many many years ago.
>
>
> "never done so since I used Tones account" ="Post proof"
>
Rgds
Andy R
marc
> > > I don't need to post as anyone else and have never done so since I
> > > used Tones account many many years ago.
> >
> >
> > "never done so since I used Tones account" ="Post proof"
> >
> Not taking sides on this one but how on earth can it be proved?
Errrr, because Ant was stupid enough to admit it?
AndyC
>
> Errrr, because Ant was stupid enough to admit it?
Unfortunately for Ant, over the years he has inadvertently admitted doing
things that he accuses others of. He has also inadvertently admitted to
behaviour and ideals which can only be described as perverse.
But to give him the benefit of any doubt, perhaps Ant just likes to play
devils advocate or engage in petty squabbles for the fun of it, which is why
there is little point in taking what he says *too* seriously
--
Andy
http://www.skyworld.freeserve.co.uk/
Note spamblock in header
Richard Burnham
<a...@poggo.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>You are a liar
>Post proof that I ever posted as someone else, along with all relevant
>dates and headers or apologise (though I doubt you will as you are
>spineless)
>used Tones account many many years ago.
Mr Evans:
I never said you posted as someone else, although the relationship
between Ant and Tone has always been suspicious.
I said you used different names. Only after I had counted the 206 posts
under the name Anthony Evans, I found you had also been posting using
just the name Anthony (which happened to be the same as the name used by
a 'naturist painter/decorator') so I never counted those - I
underestimated the amount of garbage you contribute to this group. (I
think you have also used just the name 'Ant' in the past.)
>I am big enough to state my case and defend it unlike yourself and
>others who need to cringe away or post using Hotmail addresses
>Apologize, retract or post your proof
I have never used a hotmail address. I have posted from
wiseword.demon.co.uk since the formation of this group, and to rec.nude
before that. Sometimes I have posted from other addresses for practical
reasons, but I have always made it clear who I am, with my full name. So
you are the one who should apologise.
Malcolm Boura
"journalist-north" <journali...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> There is a constitutional solution at the national (CCBN) level:
[snip]
> 6. Regional Constitutions
>
> Each Regional Association shall formulate its own constitution setting out
> administrative arrangements for electing its own officers and conducting its
> business, and shall supply to the Executive Council a copy of such
> constitution and of any amendments subsequently made thereto. The provisions
> contained in such constitutions and amendments shall be subject to approval
> by the Executive Council.
You are suggesting withdrawal of approval but as far as I can see there
is no provision for that.
[snip]
--
Malcolm Boura, NUFF coordinator.
NUFF http://www.nuff.org.uk/ is the FAQ for the uk.rec.naturist newsgroup.
Please read before posting to the group.
It is the comprehensive www source of UK naturist information.
journalist-north
"Malcolm Boura" <nu...@armage.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0f39337...@armage.demon.co.uk...
> In message <8yWl9.2749$vN1.27...@news-text.cableinet.net>
> "journalist-north" <journali...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > There is a constitutional solution at the national (CCBN) level:
>
> [snip]
>
> > 6. Regional Constitutions
> >
> > Each Regional Association shall formulate its own constitution setting
out
> > administrative arrangements for electing its own officers and conducting
its
> > business, and shall supply to the Executive Council a copy of such
> > constitution and of any amendments subsequently made thereto. The
provisions
> > contained in such constitutions and amendments shall be subject to
approval
> > by the Executive Council.
>
> You are suggesting withdrawal of approval but as far as I can see there
> is no provision for that.
>
> [snip]
>
>
> --
> Malcolm Boura, NUFF coordinator.
--------
My reading is "What the EC givith - the EC can taketh away!"
Approval is discretionary - that is what it says. "...shall be subject to
approval
by the Executive Council...." And the word "shall" is a mandatory
qualifier - the region could not continue to conduct CCBN related business,
based on objectionable constitutional provisions, without such approval.
An example: IF a region took it upon themselves to incorporate a manifestly
unlawful provision - lets say a regional constitution was amended to read
that everyone was welcome to join except P**kies or N**ers - do you think
for one minute the EC would accept that and rubber stamp it? Don't think so!
If it was an added section to an EXISTING regional constitution what should
be the EC response? Why of course they would withdraw approval. So, there IS
a constitutional qualifier at the CCBN level.
Any such action does NOT have to be by way of the AGM - it can occur at the
direction of the EC alone, based on their policies alone, and it is then
subject to the investigation and resolution process of Article 21.
Journalist
marc
> >> > "never done so since I used Tones account" ="Post proof"
> >> >
> >> Not taking sides on this one but how on earth can it be proved?
> >
> >
> >Errrr, because Ant was stupid enough to admit it?
>
> Sure did but I have not used any other name, account or nickname in
> the many years since I stopped using Tones account.
Is there a time limit on hypocrisy then?
Stephen Doerr
news:1fjbxwg.1yif4yeza5b93N%ma...@jaceeprint.demon.co.uk:
> Errrr, because Ant was stupid enough to admit it?
That's not normally accepted as proof in a court of law these
days!
--
Steve
Richard Burnham
<a...@poggo.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>Stay on topic by all means. Just don't post your political agenda here
>or I will make a formal complaint.
>You created your website so use it.
I really don't want to continue this storm in a teacup which seems to
have been created to serve Ant's own incomprehensible agenda.
So I shall just say this to Ant: I shall be the judge of what I post on
here, without regard to him, as he has no authority in the matter. As
long as it is connected with naturism, and that includes anything to do
CCBN, I shall consider it on topic here. If he doesn't like that, I
shall adopt Tone's tone, and tell him to FOAD.
He will find that Demon (with whom I've been a customer a long time)
takes a pretty robust attitude to the likes of Ant, and I was glad to
hear that other ISPs do too. In the print media, people like Ant are, I
understand, called 'green-ink' correspondents. I wonder what the online
equivalent is?
>Lighten up Burnham or you'll have a heart attack
This is the third time already this morning already that Ant has held
himself up as a model and guide on a sense of humour. I think he needs
to take a good look at himself.
In particular, I think anyone who objects to any mention here of
opportunities for naturists to get together is a very, very sad person
indeed.
AndyC
>
> No. I have what a lot of the older folk don't have on here. Its called
> a wicked sense of humour that goes way above their lowly intellect
Aha! So you think that you are being funny! Odd as it may seem, I don't see
anyone else in here laughing along *with* you. Perhaps your joking is not
really that funny or perhaps we all suffer from a "lowly intellect" and we
are unable to understand your razor sharp wit.
Richard Burnham
<use...@dcsl.dircon.co.uk> writes
>CCBN itself is a coalition of two 'constituencies' - clubs and
>individual members. Any proposed regional structure should
>mirror this, i.e. clubs should participate *as clubs* as well as
>those of their members who are CCBN members having a role as
>members.
>
I don't think it's desirable for clubs to be members of CCBN. For a
start, club members get benefits from CCBN without being individual
members as well as from their membership of the club itself, so they
have no incentive to become individual members. (Clubs already have
their own organisation, the ABNC.)
However, I should take a lesson from the fate of King Harold, who fared
badly as the result of fighting on two fronts, and I shall bear your
comments in mind when I post further proposals.
marc
> He will find that Demon (with whom I've been a customer a long time)
> takes a pretty robust attitude to the likes of Ant, and I was glad to
> hear that other ISPs do too. In the print media, people like Ant are, I
> understand, called 'green-ink' correspondents. I wonder what the online
> equivalent is?
"Wanker"?
Tim Forcer
>
> ...
> I don't think it's desirable for clubs to be
> members of CCBN.
I do.
While many naturists are entirely happy with back gardens,
beaches and the like, others prefer organised swims and access
to facilities such as outdoor pools, miniten courts, children's
play areas, etc. Such facilities are most easily provided by
clubs (rather than individuals), and not all those wishing to
have access to such facilities wish to be full-time (or
"distant") club members. I see no reason why CCBN shouldn't
provide for club membership in the same way that the
professional bodies of which I am an individual member provide
for corporate membership.
There are obviously issues (still) to be addressed in terms of
governance, standards, and representation. But I think it would
be a sad day if CCBN ever became a non-club organisation.
Note also that there are clubs such as Suntreckers which, while
having no facilities of their own, provide an administrative
basis for securing access to the facilities of others.
> For a start, club members get benefits from
> CCBN without being individual members
> as well as from their membership of the
> club itself, so they have no incentive to
> become individual members. (Clubs already have
> their own organisation, the ABNC.)
In principle, naturists who belong neither to CCBN individually
nor to any club are also able to obtain benefits from CCBN. For
example, CCBN's work on Rec54 and other proposals in Setting The
Boundaries should benefit all naturists. Sadly, CCBN has often
failed to deliver these general benefits - one thinks of beach
deals sewn up, sometimes without even bothering to talk to beach
users.
I suggest Richard has a chat with some of the more open and
innovative club organisers - including those who post here - as
to what the real benefits and costs can be of CCBN membership.
For example, to obtain best value from CCBN it is often
desirable for a club to be "100%", ie all club members must also
be CCBN members. Yet this can present significant
administrative problems for swims, particularly where the club
_organises_ the swim session rather than being the hirer.
--
Tim Forcer t...@ecs.soton.ac.uk
The University of Southampton, UK
The University is not responsible for my opinions
J.L.E
<snip>
> Stay on topic by all means. Just don't post your political agenda
here
> or I will make a formal complaint.
Well, seeing that your mate Tone got most people to read the charter
of uk.rec.naturist yesterday, you would have a problem making a
complaint as to - quote the charter
as posted by Tim Force
The newsgroup charter is:
Quote++++++++++++++++++++
Charter.
A forum or place for the discussion and exchange of
information & ideas of Naturists & Naturism in the UK and
Europe.
An unmoderated group.
Advertising permitted from any Naturist clubs or
associations. Nothing Else.
------------------Unquote
No mention that the discussion of naturist politics and or the CCBN is
off topic.
> You created your website so use it.
> >
You have free webspace with your freeserve account, use it, post you
anti CCBN political rants there.....
J.L.E
<snip>
> Your political suggestions have nothing whatsoever to do with people
> getting together and everything to do with your ego trip.
>
POT KETTLE BLACK
Mike O'Neill
van lettered Ants Removals. An opportunity too good to be true or is
this his day job? Do I give the driver a tenner, point him in the
right direction and spoil an entire ng that loves to loath him? Hell,
no. When the insect smells the coffee he might be quite effective,
just maybe. Of course no one is holding his or her breath, but this
person should have a chance to grow.
It will be tough Ant (and that is just our end) but give it a go. No
pain no gain; we have had ours, now your turn. Willing hands will pull
you out of the mire; reach out and grab hold. Mike O