What happened to the Naked Rambler?
Mary B
on their walk
http://www.naturistholiday.info/a/1027/What_happened_to_the_Naked_Rambler.
aspx
Pete Knight
> There's an interesting article here with some good photos of Steve and Mel
> on their walk
>
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> url:http://myreader.co.uk/gp/1353-1.aspx
Steve is still holding up very strongly, his letters show a still very
resolute man, but a Christmas card would be very much appreciated, why
not send him a card to:
Stephen Gough
Human Rights Political Prisoner No. 81590
Segregation Unit
HMP Perth
3 Edinburgh Road
PERTH
PH2 8AT
Duncan Heenan
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Good idea! I, for one, will.
Thieves, rapists, terrorists, even killers are let out quicker than Steve,
who has committed no crime, but refuses to kowtow to the Scottish Judiciary
over a matter of personal preference. You may not agree with Steve's method,
but do you agree with the Scottish Judiciary's method of bullying someone
they don't like?
--
Duncan Heenan
Marc
Darren
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>
> Good idea! I, for one, will.
> Thieves, rapists, terrorists, even killers are let out quicker than Steve,
> who has committed no crime, but refuses to kowtow to the Scottish
> Judiciary over a matter of personal preference. You may not agree with
> Steve's method, but do you agree with the Scottish Judiciary's method of
> bullying someone they don't like?
The card is an excellent idea. Duncan also makes a very good point too.
How about if we all write to the MSP for the prison pointing out the
stupidity of keeping a harmless man behind bars at great expense to the
taxpayer and make the comparison Duncan has? Anyone know the right person
to write to and with the time to draft the bones of a letter for us all to
send.
Hamish
It`s all well & good sending Steve a Christmas card wishing him well &
"keep up the good work" but isn`t it time he said, " i`ve done
enough, it`s time i spent some quality time with those i love". I
know he`s supposed to be holding up strongly, but surely all this
time behind bars has to be having an adverse effect. I shall be
sending Steve a Christmas card, but asking him to take some time out
to reflect. I don`t suppose for one minute that he`ll do that, but
the guy needs some quality time ( & decent food ) Just my
opinion. Hamish
Peter
<naturis...@hotmailnospamplease.com> wrote:
>The card is an excellent idea. Duncan also makes a very good point too.
>How about if we all write to the MSP for the prison pointing out the
>stupidity of keeping a harmless man behind bars at great expense to the
>taxpayer and make the comparison Duncan has? Anyone know the right person
>to write to and with the time to draft the bones of a letter for us all to
>send.
If you want to do that, wouldn't the appropriate MSP be Kenny
MacAskill, the Justice Secretary, rather than the local member in
whose constituency HMP Perth happens to lie? (The MSP for Perth is
Roseanna Cunningham, so I'd guess that it would be her if I'm wrong.)
(Information obtained from the Scottish Parliament web site,
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/home.htm. Contact details can also
be found on that site.)
Peter.
Duncan Gray
"Peter" <REPLACEWIT...@allblue.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
news:d8haf5dk8pmgjane5...@4ax.com...
I would have thought that writing to the justice minister would be the
better idea.
Alternatively, you could consider getting together and petitioning the
Parliament.
Unlike Westminster, where only an MP can present a petition, The Scottish
Parliament accepts petitions from anyone, and has a working committee of
MSPs to consider them.
see
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/s3/committees/petitions/index.htm
and
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/vli/publicinfo/documents/Howtosubmitapublicpetition.pdf
Care would have to be taken on the wording of course, to make sure that it
would be considered admissible.
Sheila & Les
Snip
>
> Steve is still holding up very strongly, his letters show a still very
> resolute man, but a Christmas card would be very much appreciated, why
> not send him a card to:
> Stephen Gough
> Human Rights Political Prisoner No. 81590
> Segregation Unit
> HMP Perth
> 3 Edinburgh Road
> PERTH
> PH2 8AT
It`s all well & good sending Steve a Christmas card wishing him well &
"keep up the good work" but isn`t it time he said, " i`ve done
enough, it`s time i spent some quality time with those i love". I
know he`s supposed to be holding up strongly, but surely all this
time behind bars has to be having an adverse effect. I shall be
sending Steve a Christmas card, but asking him to take some time out
to reflect. I don`t suppose for one minute that he`ll do that, but
the guy needs some quality time ( & decent food ) Just my
opinion. Hamish
>>
<<
Lets be honest and put this into perspective
The only reason SG is rotting in prison is because of himself, no other
reason.
As for the guy needing quality time, its his own fault he is still there and
I think its what he wants
As for decent food he is getting three hot meals a day, more than many in
this country if you think about it.
Also if you start talking moral values lets not forget that Mr. Gough esq.
has not supported his own children for a number of years, all in all he is
doing what he wants, he is fed watered and warm, he can watch TV, he can
play pool or snooker, get education and with no cost.
He should be thrown out of jail, made to get a job and made to support HIS
children
How many people have lost their jobs due to the recession, how many of these
law abiding people can afford three hot meals a day and look forward to a
proper Christmas dinner.
Sorry but I feel this had to be said, and lets not forget Mr. Gough is not a
naturist by his own words and is little short of being an exonbitionist or
crank
Les
Pete Knight
>
> Sorry but I feel this had to be said, and lets not forget Mr. Gough is not a
> naturist by his own words and is little short of being an exonbitionist or
> crank
>
> Les
Well thanks a bunch for a bit of Christmas charity and cheer!
Steve himself acknowledges that he is not a naturist (What is a
naturist?) he is doing what he feels is right, and without people like
Steve making sacrifices to fight for rights you and I would have far
fewer privileges than we do, for a start Sheila would not have the
vote if it were not for Emily Pankhurst's fight for womens rights.
Why do you feel the need to make this a personal issue, Steve's
private life has little to do with an outrageous attitude towards
nudity, and Steve is no more an exhibitionist that you are, unless you
can explain the difference between his nudity and your nudity!
Pete
Simon
> Human Rights Political Prisoner No. 81590
> Segregation Unit
> HMP Perth
> 3 Edinburgh Road
> PERTH
> PH2 8AT
Is he truly a 'human rights political prisoner'??
This is NOTHING to do with whether I agree with his approach or not - is
that a lable he has been accorded by the Scottish Justice system, or is
it of his own selection and putting it on a letter to him would be to
join him in that claim?
Simon.
Marc
> On 7 Nov, 14:28, "Sheila & Les" <fatm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry but I feel this had to be said, and lets not forget Mr. Gough is not a
>> naturist by his own words and is little short of being an exonbitionist or
>> crank
>>
>> Les
>
> Well thanks a bunch for a bit of Christmas charity and cheer!
>
> Steve himself acknowledges that he is not a naturist (What is a
> naturist?) he is doing what he feels is right, and without people like
> Steve making sacrifices to fight for rights you and I would have far
> fewer privileges than we do, for a start Sheila would not have the
> vote if it were not for Emily Pankhurst's fight for womens rights.
Historically incorrect. The Pankhurst's campaigns had little influence
on the result. What had much more influence was WW1 and it's effects.
>
> Why do you feel the need to make this a personal issue, Steve's
> private life has little to do with an outrageous attitude towards
> nudity, and Steve is no more an exhibitionist that you are, unless you
> can explain the difference between his nudity and your nudity!
You fail to grasp Les's simplistic attitude to everything. Anything that
Les is , is only correct the way that Les does it, he has the
perspective of a keyhole. So if Les is a naturist, then only people who
are naturists in the same way that he is are "real naturists", if you
are not a naturist then you are a "pervert" or an "exhibitionist". You
can extrapolate this view through any other serious of opinions that Les
has, ie His is the only Church /God, all other drivers are in the
wrong, the law is an ass if it doesn't agree with him, XYZ should be
illegal, etc, etc, ex bloody cetera.
Marc
>> Stephen Gough
>> Human Rights Political Prisoner No. 81590
>> Segregation Unit
>> HMP Perth
>> 3 Edinburgh Road
>> PERTH
>> PH2 8AT
> My question is:
> Is he truly a 'human rights political prisoner'??
> This is NOTHING to do with whether I agree with his approach or not - is
> that a lable he has been accorded by the Scottish Justice system,
or is
> it of his own selection
Probably Pete Knight's
and putting it on a letter to him would be to
> join him in that claim?
I would image it might stop it getting through " We have no human rights
prisoners here, this must be to the wrong HMP Perth, better bin it!"
Pete Knight
> Simon wrote:
> >> Stephen Gough
> >> Human Rights Political
> > Is he truly a 'human rights political prisoner'??
> > This is NOTHING to do with whether I agree with his approach or not - is
> > that a lable he has been accorded by the Scottish Justice system,
>
> No
>
> or is
>
> > it of his own selection
>
> Probably Pete Knight's
>
> and putting it on a letter to him would be to
>
> > join him in that claim?
>
> I would image it might stop it getting through " We have no human rights
> prisoners here, this must be to the wrong HMP Perth, better bin it!"
No I didn't add anything to the address, and yes it does get through.
The only thing that stopped one of my letters was when it coincided
with one of his releases, and by the time the letter was returned to
me he was back behind bars!
If it bothers you that much, just drop the human rights bit:
Prisoner No. 81590
Segregation Unit
HMP Perth
3 Edinburgh Road
PERTH
PH2 8AT
Although I would agree that he is a human rights prisoner, as his
rights have been infringed, this is a civil law issue and he hasn't
committed a criminal act. At no point have they even tried to
prosecute him for any sexual misdemeanor.
Pete
Sheila & Les
Peter
I do not wander around the countryside naked, I do not go to court naked,
that's the difference between Mr. Gough and our nudity.
Plus I support my family and have never sponged off the state, as for a
personal issue I have morals and pay my way
Gough has no need to be banged up its his choice, as for Christmas spirit
how about sending cards or donations to his ex wife and children so they can
EAT and ENJOY Christmas
Les
Sheila & Les
>By the way Peter, what Christmas Spirit has Gough shown towards his
>children, like you Nothing
Pete Knight
> "Pete Knight" <peteknig...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
I'm quite sure his ex-wife is cared for, and you conveniently forget
the debt this country owes to Steve, he was a Royal Marine for many
years, but his personal life has little to do with the attitude
towards nudity.
So you're one of the anally retentive clubite naturists who believe
nudity should only be in a secure unit, you choose to lock yourself
away and YOU criticise Steve Gough for getting himself banged up! I'm
sure Steve is finding prison life all too similar to barrack
accommodation, at least he gets his own room and some peace and quiet
where he is, unlike his days in the forces.
Pete
Duncan Heenan
"Marc" <initial...@btintenret.com> wrote in message
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Sheila would not have the
>> vote if it were not for Emily Pankhurst's fight for womens rights.
>
> Historically incorrect. The Pankhurst's campaigns had little influence on
> the result. What had much more influence was WW1 and it's effects.
Your opinion only. How do you explain the same effect of the war on women in
France, which did not lead to them getting the vote until many decades
later?
--
Duncan Heenan
Duncan Heenan
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you if you pay taxes.
--
Duncan Heenan
David Looser
the result) before; it cannot be substantiated. All that can be said for
certain is that the various campaigns for women's suffrage happened, so did
WW1, and that women got the vote when they did. All else is supposition.
It seems to me utterly improbable that women would have got the vote when
they did *without* the suffragettes and suffragists campaigns. It's also
unlikely that they would have got the vote when they did without the effects
of WW1. How much each contributed is simply opinion, saying "historically
incorrect" to a valid POV is pure arrogance.
David.
Marc
>
>
> "Marc" <initial...@btintenret.com> wrote in message
> news:veCdnX722ISHBmjX...@bt.com...
> Sheila would not have the
>>> vote if it were not for Emily Pankhurst's fight for womens rights.
>>
>> Historically incorrect. The Pankhurst's campaigns had little influence
>> on the result. What had much more influence was WW1 and it's effects.
> Your opinion only.
Mine and Purvis and Bartly ( sp?).
How do you explain the same effect of the war on
> women in France, which did not lead to them getting the vote until many
> decades later?
Not as many women in France working in munitions factories?
Sheila & Les
Snip
>
> So you're one of the anally retentive clubite naturists who believe
> nudity should only be in a secure unit, you choose to lock yourself
> away and YOU criticise Steve Gough for getting himself banged up! I'm
> sure Steve is finding prison life all too similar to barrack
> accommodation, at least he gets his own room and some peace and quiet
> where he is, unlike his days in the forces.
>
> Pete
,
,
,
Sorry to disappoint you Pete but I am not one of the anally retentive
clubite naturists as you so quaintly put it
Les
Pete Knight
> "Pete Knight" <peteknig...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
Funny that, because you think like one!
Sheila & Les
>>
>> Snip
>>
>> Sorry to disappoint you Pete but I am not one of the anally retentive
>> clubite naturists as you so quaintly put it
>>
>> Les
>
> Funny that, because you think like one!
>
>
Pete
What have you got against clubs one must ask!
have you been refused entry or membership!,
as for how I think, that is my personal view on things, as you yourself
have your own ideals
Ps. your remarks towards me are insulting considering you do not know me or
what I think or stand for..
Regards Les
Pete Knight
> "Pete Knight" <peteknig...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
I have nothing against clubs, I have a lot against that blinkered
thinking that clubs should be the only place to practice naturism, and
I refer to those who think that way as clubites.
I certainly do know what you stand for, you made that quite clear in
your condemnation of Steve Gough, lets recap:
"Sorry but I feel this had to be said, and lets not forget Mr. Gough
is not a
naturist by his own words and is little short of being an
exonbitionist or
crank"
So, never having met Steve you consider him an exhibitionist and
crank, if that's not a stance I don't know what is!
Funny how Steve is a crank, but a wealthy and ennobled gentleman would
be considered eccentric. What is the difference between Ian Pollard
and Steve Gough, they have exactly the same views on nudity, have both
been nude in public view. And I'm acquainted with both of them by the
way.
Pete
David Looser
> Funny how Steve is a crank, but a wealthy and ennobled gentleman would
> be considered eccentric. What is the difference between Ian Pollard
> and Steve Gough, they have exactly the same views on nudity, have both
> been nude in public view. And I'm acquainted with both of them by the
> way.
Who is Ian Pollard? I've never heard of him.
David.
Pete Knight
> "Pete Knight" <peteknig...@googlemail.com> wrote
Abbey House Garden - The Naked Gardner
http://www.abbeyhousegardens.co.uk/about.htm
Pete
Sheila & Les
Snip
I have nothing against clubs, I have a lot against that blinkered
thinking that clubs should be the only place to practice naturism, and
I refer to those who think that way as clubites.
<
And please state whom has said that clubs are the only way to practice
naturism!
<
I certainly do know what you stand for, you made that quite clear in
your condemnation of Steve Gough,
>
Yes correct in saying that I do not support Mr, Gough
He by his own admission is not a naturist, SG is in it for himself, nothing
more
>
>
lets recap:
"Sorry but I feel this had to be said, and lets not forget Mr. Gough
is not a
naturist by his own words and is little short of being an
exonbitionist or
crank"
So, never having met Steve you consider him an exhibitionist and
crank, if that's not a stance I don't know what is!
>
Ah! you assume that I have not met Mr. Gough!, so you are wrong there
Yes I do think he is an exhibitionist and a crank, my personal opinion
>
Funny how Steve is a crank, but a wealthy and ennobled gentleman would
be considered eccentric. What is the difference between Ian Pollard
and Steve Gough, they have exactly the same views on nudity, have both
been nude in public view. And I'm acquainted with both of them by the
way.
>
Have I said that a wealthy gentleman is in my opinion considered eccentric!
no I have not, it seems you make up your own defence as you blunder through
here
Regards
Les
Pete
Pete Knight
> "Pete Knight" <peteknig...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
I made some observations that I didn't attribute to you, try reading
my post again.
1. I didn't say you hadn't met Steve.
2. I didn't say you had mentioned eccentricities.
But the fact remains that you think nudity should be contained and
controlled.
Pete
Duncan Heenan
"Sheila & Les" <fat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> snip <
>> So, never having met Steve you consider him an exhibitionist and
> >crank, if that's not a stance I don't know what is!
> Ah! you assume that I have not met Mr. Gough!, so you are wrong there
> Yes I do think he is an exhibitionist and a crank, my personal opinion
For the avoidance of doubt. Les, have you ever met Steve Gough? If so in
what circumstances and for how long?
--
Duncan Heenan
David Looser
Ah yes, now you come to mention I do remember hearing that the Abbey House
people were named Pollard.
David.