Man seeks forgiving bike
David Thomas
I'm after recommendations for my next bike but with a few complications
I presently have a Bandit 600N (96) and have been using this since passing
my DAS in Sept 03, trouble is I am finding it a bit of a handful, by this I
mean heavy to move around and hard work at low speed and not quite upright
enough (by about an inch) also a little tall, by about the same amount.
For those that don't know me I am a bit disabled or as some on here put it
"a bit of a spaz". (got an iffy back, had loads of operations but still well
iffy)
So my questions are:
What bike is lighter, slightly more upright, slightly lower and easier to
ride? (maybe a parallel or V twin)
Would a 250 (CB250) be worth considering or would that be hard work because
it is too small.
Also would prefer to avoid a full on cruiser, not my thing, some Virago's
looks ok... ish though!
Any help would be great, don't want to stop riding so I need to start
thinking about something a little more manageable.
Cheers all, David
flashgorman
"David Thomas" <ma...@davidcthomas.remove.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi All
>
> I'm after recommendations for my next bike but with a few complications
>
> I presently have a Bandit 600N (96) and have been using this since passing
> my DAS in Sept 03, trouble is I am finding it a bit of a handful, by this
I
> mean heavy to move around and hard work at low speed and not quite upright
> enough (by about an inch) also a little tall, by about the same amount.
>
CB400 (modern 4 cylinder one, not a twin, not a CBR400) or hornet 250.
HooDooWitch
Wot he says. I had one as a loan bike for a day while mine was being
serviced. It was Jap grey import, nekkid thing and it was a hoot, once
you'd got the engine over 6k.
The brakes were shit though, but this thing had done a billion miles.
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dwb
"David Thomas" <ma...@davidcthomas.remove.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> What bike is lighter, slightly more upright, slightly lower and easier to
> ride? (maybe a parallel or V twin)
What about an SV650?
Similar power to the Bandit, but weighs less - not sure about it having a
more upright riding position though.
darsy
>I presently have a Bandit 600N (96) and have been using this since passing
>my DAS in Sept 03, trouble is I am finding it a bit of a handful, by this I
>mean heavy to move around and hard work at low speed and not quite upright
>enough (by about an inch) also a little tall, by about the same amount.
Bandits *are* heavy.
>What bike is lighter, slightly more upright, slightly lower and easier to
>ride? (maybe a parallel or V twin)
I'm not sure how you'll reconcile "more upright" and "slightly lower".
If you weren't /that/ concerned about the latter, I'd maybe recommend
a supermoto, because you're sat *straight* up on one - they're also
very light compared to a bandit (i.e. GSF600S : 206kg -v- CCM 404 DS :
126 kg) and even if you're too short to put both feet down (like me)
it's not a problem, as the lightness means you can just flick it from
side to side - also a piece of piss to move around - I could actually
lift the front of my CCM R30 off the ground and swivvle the bike round
on it's back wheel.
>Would a 250 (CB250) be worth considering or would that be hard work because
>it is too small.
I know nothing about these.
>Also would prefer to avoid a full on cruiser, not my thing, some Virago's
>looks ok... ish though!
ugh - you don't want to be spaz *and* hom.
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Rexx
>
> CB400 (modern 4 cylinder one, not a twin, not a CBR400) or hornet 250.
>
Heh, certainly not the cbr, 400 sprotbikes are a bit too hunched over. :)
By far the most upright bikes that I've ridden have been trailies, but
depending on your leg length, getting one with a lowish seat is quite
difficult. Didn't find the DT125 too bad though - the seat height looks
*very* high, but once I was on it, I could touch the floor with both feet
(I'm about 5'9").
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HooDooWitch
I would have thought that the seat height was slightly higher than the
Bindit. One of Dave's requirements.
ICBW though. It's been a while since I've sat on one.
HooDooWitch
... err about the 400 - no idea about the 250.
David Thomas
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> "David Thomas" <ma...@davidcthomas.remove.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
What made me think of a 250 was seeing Bezza's CB250RS, which look real
nice!
D
flashgorman
http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCESS/motorcycles/HORNET250/image/model_photo.jpg
They are grey imports but there are a lot around. Lots of people fit
renthals which make them even more sit up and beg. They rev like buggery and
are great fun to ride.
Mash
> What bike is lighter, slightly more upright, slightly lower and easier to
> ride? (maybe a parallel or V twin)
suzuki sv650
very low seat
upright riding
quite light
peice of piss to ride, it was my first bike and loved it...Im
considering getting another, or maybe the 1000 version or whatever their
super sports equiv is.
Shane
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>
> ride? (maybe a parallel or V twin)
CB500? I've never ridden one but it seems to fit the bill. It's certainly
lower and lighter and I would imagine it's more upright too.
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Preston Kemp
says...
> For those that don't know me I am a bit disabled or as some on here put it
> "a bit of a spaz". (got an iffy back, had loads of operations but still well
> iffy)
>
> What bike is lighter, slightly more upright, slightly lower and easier to
> ride? (maybe a parallel or V twin)
Can't think of anything to suggest, but I also suffer from back problems
after a few hours on the Tiger without a break, & that's a pretty
upright position. I discovered by accident that a well stuffed rucksack
strapped on the pillion seat makes a great backrest, & so far I've done
trips of up to 16 hours like that without any back problems.
I doubt my back's anywhere near as bad as yours by the sound of it, but
it might be worth trying if you haven't already.
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dwb
"Preston Kemp" <dontw...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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> Can't think of anything to suggest, but I also suffer from back problems
> after a few hours on the Tiger without a break, & that's a pretty
> upright position. I discovered by accident that a well stuffed rucksack
> strapped on the pillion seat makes a great backrest, & so far I've done
> trips of up to 16 hours like that without any back problems.
I find the GSX-R crouch quite comfortable for my back - it's just the
stopping/getting on/getting off/not moving around
that causes the problems.
Having had lots of postural stuff explained to me recently, it's actually
easier to sit in an extremely bad (for my[1] back) way on an upright bike.
Much harder in fact on something like the GSX-R - mainly to do with the way
the (upper) spine curves.
[1] I say mine specifically because everyone is different and I don't think
taking a generalisation about backs is a good thing.
David Thomas
"Whinging Courier" <markonusene...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In uk.rec.motorcycles, David Thomas said:
>
> > I presently have a Bandit 600N (96) and have been using this since
passing
> > my DAS in Sept 03, trouble is I am finding it a bit of a handful, by
this I
> > mean heavy to move around and hard work at low speed and not quite
upright
> > enough (by about an inch) also a little tall, by about the same amount.
>
>
Don't you have to get all the control cables and wiring extended to put
higher bars on?
I remember platforms the first time round... Bowie was in the charts with
"Drive in Saturday" I was about 13, oh and I had a Puch Maxi to ride over
the fields... aah great days and my back didn't bloody hurt. Can I go back
please?
D
use...@isbd.co.uk
very happy with it. She's only about 4'4" or something and needed the
seat lowering by about an inch but that was all.
--
Chris Green
David Thomas
> In uk.rec.motorcycles, David Thomas said:
>
> > Don't you have to get all the control cables and wiring extended to put
> > higher bars on?
>
>
> > I remember platforms the first time round... Bowie was in the charts
with
> > "Drive in Saturday" I was about 13,
>
> I think I was about 4.
>
Great song the laughing gnome, still got it somewhere... oh yeah on mp3, "ha
ha ha he he he" yep still make me smile :-)
A bit later came Aladin Sane and loads of geezers started wearing rather
fetching make up... anyone spring to mind?
D
Molly
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>
> "David Thomas" <ma...@davidcthomas.remove.demon.co.uk> wrote in
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> > So my questions are:
> >
> > What bike is lighter, slightly more upright, slightly lower and
easier to
> > ride? (maybe a parallel or V twin)
>
> What about an SV650?
>
Good choice.
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David Thomas
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> On Thu, 20 May 2004 14:59:45 +0100, "Molly" <Mollyt...@ukrm.net>
> wrote:
>
> >"dwb" <parc...@crossdata.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:2h3entF...@uni-berlin.de...
> >>
> >> "David Thomas" <ma...@davidcthomas.remove.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> >message
> >> news:c8hvuk$ne9$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk...
> >> > So my questions are:
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >Good choice.
>
> a Bandit, even the unfaired version. Despite being a good bike the OP
> wanted a more upright bike than his current Bandit. It's certainly
> lighter and easier to ride though.
> --
I did try an SV a while back and as you say they are a bit more hunched
over, if I was a little wealthier... or a lot wealthier even, I would have
liked to try a v-strom 650 they are a little lighter and a lot more upright,
but I suppose would still be top heavy and difficult at slow speeds.
Bandit is not too bad at speed but when trolling round town I feel worn out
after half an hour.
D
David Thomas
"darsy" <da...@sticky.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "David Thomas" <ma...@davidcthomas.remove.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Bandits *are* heavy.
>
They bloody are aren't they, it's not just me then, particularly top heavy
would you say?
The amount of times I have accidently stopped on a ridge in the road and
because of my short legs I have been caught out and nearly dropped the
thing.
D
flashgorman
David Thomas
5'9" with a 29" inside leg, but that's not the problem, the main difficulty
is that I have very low power & feeling in my right leg so if I don't get
my left leg down first for some reason, the right side can catch me out.
D
Doesnotcompute
> I presently have a Bandit 600N (96) and have been
> using this since passing my DAS in Sept 03, trouble
> is I am finding it a bit of a handful, by this
> I mean heavy to move around and hard work at low
> speed and not quite upright enough (by about an inch)
> also a little tall, by about the same amount.
Well, you could try modding the bandit slightly, renthals will help you
to sit more upright, and you could tweak the foot pegs too.
Check you're tyre pressuers are high enough, low pressures will make a
bike feel even heavier than it is.
You could also consider a B12, not a lot of extra weight iirc, and the
extra power could make it easier for you to handle. Of course it could
make matters worse. Personally, I find the B12 is great in traffic.
Perhaps you could do a swap with Darren Robinson :)
You're welcome for a spin on mine if you're ever in the same vicinity as
it. (standard rules apply).
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HooDooWitch
>How short are you?
That's nice. I'll have a grand, ta.
flashgorman
HooDooWitch
to post:
>5'9" with a 29" inside leg, but that's not the problem, the main difficulty
>is that I have very low power & feeling in my right leg so if I don't get
>my left leg down first for some reason, the right side can catch me out.
A veritable giant of a man.
... So always stick yer left leg out. ...
Dave A
> > Hi All
> >
> > I'm after recommendations for my next bike but with a few complications
> >
passing
> > my DAS in Sept 03, trouble is I am finding it a bit of a handful, by
this
> I
> > mean heavy to move around and hard work at low speed and not quite
upright
> > enough (by about an inch) also a little tall, by about the same amount.
> >
>
Swot I've got. Dead easy to ride, seems light but I've got nothing to
compare it to. I'm in Guildford if you want a go. Tell you what David,
I'll swap you for the Bandit.......
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CB400
SE5a
David Thomas
"HooDooWitch" <mic...@disney.com> wrote in message
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> "David Thomas" <ma...@davidcthomas.remove.demon.co.uk> somehow managed
> to post:
>
> >5'9" with a 29" inside leg, but that's not the problem, the main
difficulty
> >is that I have very low power & feeling in my right leg so if I don't
get
> >my left leg down first for some reason, the right side can catch me out.
>
> A veritable giant of a man.
>
> ... So always stick yer left leg out. ...
>
> --
I do generally but the roads round here are so crap that every now and then
you find the road surface drops away by about a foot and if I was to still
go for "left leg down" the bike would be at to much of an angle for me to
hold... does this make any sense at all?
D
HooDooWitch
>
>Swot I've got. Dead easy to ride, seems light but I've got nothing to
>compare it to. I'm in Guildford if you want a go. Tell you what David,
>I'll swap you for the Bandit.......
Result, 10% commission for Flash, obviously.
David Thomas
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My Bandit is old but beautiful.... but then so am I
David
David Thomas
sweller
> Shiney init?
>
> http://www.davidcthomas.demon.co.uk/bandit/
It's pink.
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David Thomas
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> David Thomas wrote:
>
> > Shiney init?
> >
> > http://www.davidcthomas.demon.co.uk/bandit/
>
> It's pink.
>
It's red I tell you
D
steve auvache
It looks pink to me.
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David Thomas
"steve auvache" <dont...@thecow.me.uk> wrote in message
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it's italian marble red, suzuki code 28v RED
David
David Thomas
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it's fucking red red red red fucking redder than red, very RED
David
Simon Atkinson
You are referring to your face while riding aforementioned pink bike
are you?
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David Thomas
Gits... don't know a Ferrari red bike when you see one.... yeah ok Ferrari
red is pushing it a bit.
David (Red Bike) Thomas
steve auvache
That could be the case but I think he is just overwhelmed by the very
pinkness of it.
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David Thomas
"Whinging Courier" <markonusene...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In uk.rec.motorcycles, David Thomas said:
>
> > Bandit is not too bad at speed but when trolling round town I feel worn
out
> > after half an hour.
>
>
Nah not that sort of worn out, more the "shit this is painful" sort of worn
out.
David
joe parkin
ma...@davidcthomas.remove.demon.co.uk says...
> Any help would be great, don't want to stop riding so I need to start
> thinking about something a little more manageable.
>
ZR7S Kwak. Have one for sale £2900. Blue, 01 plate taxed.
If you are near Durham you can have a go see what it's like. Light,
upright position, low theft prospects.
I am 5 9" and have 29 inside leg, and can touch both feet on the floor.
My back is also bad, at times, but unlike you, the crouch over style of
my blackbird is more comfortable, queer innit?
--
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Chinese takeaway to reply
David Thomas
> In uk.rec.motorcycles, David Thomas said:
>
> > Nah not that sort of worn out, more the "shit this is painful" sort of
worn
> > out.
>
>
> Got your colour, too.
>
there, my point exactly... first scooter RED second one PINK
D
David Thomas
> In uk.rec.motorcycles, David Thomas said:
>
> > there, my point exactly... first scooter RED second one PINK
>
> flamingo pink.
>
> --
It also says "Customer Endorsements" FFS they must be quick
D
flashgorman
>
>
> Gits... don't know a Ferrari red bike when you see one.... yeah ok Ferrari
> red is pushing it a bit.
>
>
Jesus, crippled and colour blind. Lets hope you've not got big ears as well.
David Thomas
Fuck right off !
D
Lozzo
Looks pink from where I'm sitting
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Lozzo
> >
> > CB400 (modern 4 cylinder one, not a twin, not a CBR400) or hornet 250.
> >
>
> What made me think of a 250 was seeing Bezza's CB250RS, which look real
> nice!
I've got one of those, they are very spaz-friendly. Only downside I can
see with the model Bezza and I have[1] is they only have a kickstart. An
electric start version[2] was also sold over here, but the starters are
shit and alot have been converted to kickstart with bits from the
earlier model.
[1] CB250RSA
[2] CB250RSD
Insanely Sensible
Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote
> Looks pink from where I'm sitting
>
But what about the bike???
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GPZ500
Lozzo
>
> Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote
>
> > Looks pink from where I'm sitting
> >
> But what about the bike???
The bike isn't as hard.
marina
<ma...@davidcthomas.remove.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi All
>
>I'm after recommendations for my next bike but with a few complications
>
>I presently have a Bandit 600N (96) and have been using this since passing
>my DAS in Sept 03, trouble is I am finding it a bit of a handful, by this I
>mean heavy to move around and hard work at low speed and not quite upright
>enough (by about an inch) also a little tall, by about the same amount.
>
>For those that don't know me I am a bit disabled or as some on here put it
>"a bit of a spaz". (got an iffy back, had loads of operations but still well
>iffy)
>
>So my questions are:
>
>What bike is lighter, slightly more upright, slightly lower and easier to
>ride? (maybe a parallel or V twin)
How about a GPZ500S? Light, fast (for what it is), low seat, fairly
upright position.
>Would a 250 (CB250) be worth considering or would that be hard work because
>it is too small.
>
>Also would prefer to avoid a full on cruiser, not my thing, some Virago's
>looks ok... ish though!
I had a Virago, not at all good for my back (YMMV) as I was putting
all the weight on my coccyx. Also a heavy beastie for such a small
bike, especially when paddling it about.
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rb
> "David Thomas" <ma...@davidcthomas.remove.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I presently have a Bandit 600N (96) and have been using this since
> > passing my DAS in Sept 03, trouble is I am finding it a bit of a
> > handful, by this I mean heavy to move around and hard work at low
> > speed and not quite upright enough (by about an inch) also a little
> > tall, by about the same amount.
>
> Bandits are heavy.
I've just realised how much so today. Mine[1] went in for a service
today and I was surprised at how much easier the ZX9R loan bike was to
paddle around.
I found the Bandit handles fine when riding but feels top heavy when
beng maneuvered around. I expect to drop it on my head one day when
checking the oil sight glass (no centre stand see?).
[1] '96 600N as above except in red.
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John Higgins
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>
>"HooDooWitch" <mic...@disney.com> wrote in message
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>> "David Thomas" <ma...@davidcthomas.remove.demon.co.uk> somehow managed
>> to post:
>>
>> >5'9" with a 29" inside leg, but that's not the problem, the main
>difficulty
>> >is that I have very low power & feeling in my right leg so if I don't
>get
>> >my left leg down first for some reason, the right side can catch me out.
>>
>> A veritable giant of a man.
>>
>> ... So always stick yer left leg out. ...
>>
>> --
>
>I do generally but the roads round here are so crap that every now and then
>you find the road surface drops away by about a foot and if I was to still
>go for "left leg down" the bike would be at to much of an angle for me to
>hold... does this make any sense at all?
>
>D
>
Maybe not lower and lighter but it won't fall over :-)
http://www.safetyfeatures.com/index2.html
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HooDooWitch
>Insanely Sensible says...
>>
>> Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote
>>
>> > Looks pink from where I'm sitting
>> >
>> But what about the bike???
>
>The bike isn't as hard.
I think you're all being a bit hard on young David here.
The colour's not going to look right on any of those photos. Just look
at the grass, it's way off. I've readjusted the levels a little to get
a more "natural" colour on the grass. Mak up your own minds.
http://www.baita.demon.co.uk/Stuff/Dave-bike.jpg
HTH
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steve auvache
>Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> somehow managed to post:
>
>>Insanely Sensible says...
>>>
>>> Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote
>>>
>>> > Looks pink from where I'm sitting
>>> >
>>> But what about the bike???
>>
>>The bike isn't as hard.
>
>I think you're all being a bit hard on young David here.
>
>The colour's not going to look right on any of those photos. Just look
>at the grass, it's way off.
My grass is greener than your grass...
> I've readjusted the levels a little to get
>a more "natural" colour on the grass. Mak up your own minds.
>
>http://www.baita.demon.co.uk/Stuff/Dave-bike.jpg
Excellent.
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Champ
wrote:
>Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> somehow managed to post:
>
>>Insanely Sensible says...
>>>
>>> Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote
>>>
>>> > Looks pink from where I'm sitting
>>> >
>>> But what about the bike???
>>
>>The bike isn't as hard.
>
>I think you're all being a bit hard on young David here.
>
>The colour's not going to look right on any of those photos. Just look
>at the grass, it's way off. I've readjusted the levels a little to get
>a more "natural" colour on the grass. Mak up your own minds.
>
>http://www.baita.demon.co.uk/Stuff/Dave-bike.jpg
LOL!
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GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com
David Thomas
> Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> somehow managed to post:
>
> >Insanely Sensible says...
> >>
> >> Lozzo <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote
> >>
> >> > Looks pink from where I'm sitting
> >> >
> >> But what about the bike???
> >
> >The bike isn't as hard.
>
> I think you're all being a bit hard on young David here.
>
> The colour's not going to look right on any of those photos. Just look
> at the grass, it's way off. I've readjusted the levels a little to get
> a more "natural" colour on the grass. Mak up your own minds.
>
> http://www.baita.demon.co.uk/Stuff/Dave-bike.jpg
>
Git
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Darren Robinson
>You could also consider a B12, not a lot of extra weight iirc, and the
>extra power could make it easier for you to handle. Of course it could
>make matters worse. Personally, I find the B12 is great in traffic.
>
>Perhaps you could do a swap with Darren Robinson :)
Two-and-a-bit grand and a working B6 and it's yours.
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Darren Robinson
GSF1200K3
GHPOTHUF#14, IbW#34, MIB#12, no points.