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This month's Bike magazine - Bol D'Or / Paul Ricard issue

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Champ

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Nov 8, 2008, 10:33:46 AM11/8/08
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Crikey I enjoyed reading that.

TOG, your feature was excellent. Not to say that I couldn't have
written one very similar myself :-) But you picked a good style and
structure, especially with the repeating 'I remember...' motif.

The features on Team Bike, and Simon Hargreaves dash to the south on a
ZZR were just as good.

Recommended.
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To email me, neal at my domain should work.

wessie

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Nov 8, 2008, 11:50:45 AM11/8/08
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Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote in news:n5cbh41s4hsbbkhc9u5s74919i3ncb6ol6@
4ax.com:

> Crikey I enjoyed reading that.
>
> TOG, your feature was excellent. Not to say that I couldn't have
> written one very similar myself :-) But you picked a good style and
> structure, especially with the repeating 'I remember...' motif.
>
> The features on Team Bike, and Simon Hargreaves dash to the south on a
> ZZR were just as good.
>
> Recommended.

Like the author, I'm a cheapskate. I think you should scan it to pdf in
tribute.

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wessie at tesco dot net

BMW R1150GS

Cab

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Nov 8, 2008, 11:54:08 AM11/8/08
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Champ wrote:

> Crikey I enjoyed reading that.

AOL.

> TOG, your feature was excellent. Not to say that I couldn't have
> written one very similar myself :-) But you picked a good style and
> structure, especially with the repeating 'I remember...' motif.

I thought it was well written too. TOG can be articulate, when he
tries. ;-)



> The features on Team Bike, and Simon Hargreaves dash to the south on a
> ZZR were just as good.
>
> Recommended.

Seconded. I'm bloody glad I got the Dec Issue before Jan came out.

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JackH

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Nov 8, 2008, 12:11:19 PM11/8/08
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"wessie" <putmyn...@tesco.net> wrote in message
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AOL.

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doetnietcomputeren

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Nov 8, 2008, 12:27:47 PM11/8/08
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Champ wrote:
> Crikey I enjoyed reading that.
>
> TOG, your feature was excellent. Not to say that I couldn't have
> written one very similar myself :-) But you picked a good style and
> structure, especially with the repeating 'I remember...' motif.
>
> The features on Team Bike, and Simon Hargreaves dash to the south on a
> ZZR were just as good.
>
> Recommended.


Anyone want to scan it up for those of us that can't get said mag?

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Dnc

Champ

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Nov 8, 2008, 12:31:13 PM11/8/08
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On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:50:45 GMT, wessie <putmyn...@tesco.net>
wrote:

That'd break some copyright rules or summat, wouldn't it? And I'd
have to fish out my scanner (and find the power supply) and set it all
up etc.

You can have my copy if you fancy popping over the border.

wessie

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Nov 8, 2008, 1:21:37 PM11/8/08
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Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote in news:05jbh4dh7lor3o08h8u9fd32f5ack42l7d@
4ax.com:


>>Like the author, I'm a cheapskate. I think you should scan it to pdf in
>>tribute.
>
> That'd break some copyright rules or summat, wouldn't it? And I'd
> have to fish out my scanner (and find the power supply) and set it all
> up etc.
>

Like that bothers you, Mr "isn't TVTorrents fantastic"

> You can have my copy if you fancy popping over the border.

Cheers. I'll try to work it into my hectic schedule.

jok

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Nov 8, 2008, 12:33:58 PM11/8/08
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Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> Crikey I enjoyed reading that.
>
> TOG, your feature was excellent. Not to say that I couldn't have
> written one very similar myself :-) But you picked a good style and
> structure, especially with the repeating 'I remember...' motif.


Yeah, I enjoyed it too. I only went to Paul Ricard once (1994) and
it was absolutely amazing, what a weekend.
And here was me thinking Donington was wild back then, hah.
Still got the Tshirt too.
<thinks>
I'll *have* to get to a Spanish or Italian MotoGP next year.

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ogden

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Nov 8, 2008, 2:51:02 PM11/8/08
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I'll sort something out in a bit.

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ogden

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Nov 8, 2008, 3:26:09 PM11/8/08
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OK, I've got it scanned, anyone with a legitimate reason to not be able
to go and buy a copy can drop me an email asking for the URL.

JackH

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Nov 8, 2008, 3:46:38 PM11/8/08
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"ogden" <og...@pre.org> wrote in message
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It's wet and windy outside... is that good enough?

You have my email addy. :-P

Mick Whittingham

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Nov 8, 2008, 3:50:28 PM11/8/08
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In article <6nmc5fF...@mid.individual.net>, JackH
<jackha...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
If that excuse works can I have one. It's raining side-ways here.
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William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2.

vulgarandmischevious

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Nov 8, 2008, 3:58:24 PM11/8/08
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ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:

>OK, I've got it scanned, anyone with a legitimate reason to not be able
>to go and buy a copy can drop me an email asking for the URL.

<emailed>

Jeweller

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Nov 8, 2008, 4:15:14 PM11/8/08
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That was my notion too.

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wessie

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Nov 8, 2008, 4:28:04 PM11/8/08
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vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandm...@gmail.com> wrote in
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<fwd> to the usual address please

fragmented

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Nov 8, 2008, 4:37:25 PM11/8/08
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In article <CjnRk.84737$E41....@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
dgho...@gmail.com says...>

I've got a broken leg and can't get out of the house.

How's that?

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fragmented

ogden

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Nov 8, 2008, 4:56:13 PM11/8/08
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What happens when your food supplies run low?

JackH

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Nov 8, 2008, 5:01:54 PM11/8/08
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"ogden" <og...@pre.org> wrote in message
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> fragmented wrote:

>> I've got a broken leg and can't get out of the house.
>
> What happens when your food supplies run low?

Hummm... most supermarkets will deliver for a small fee if you order online,
at a guess.

ogden

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Nov 8, 2008, 5:11:23 PM11/8/08
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JackH wrote:
>
> "ogden" <og...@pre.org> wrote in message
> news:MPG.23801b5a2...@news.motzarella.org...
> > fragmented wrote:
>
> >> I've got a broken leg and can't get out of the house.
> >
> > What happens when your food supplies run low?
>
> Hummm... most supermarkets will deliver for a small fee if you order online,
> at a guess.

http://asdadigitalnewsagent.presse-
wl.com/Publications/FicheProduit.aspx?issue_id=10598

JackH

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Nov 8, 2008, 5:27:47 PM11/8/08
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"ogden" <og...@pre.org> wrote in message
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Ew... Asda.

Like you'd want something as low rent as one of their vans pulling up
outside your humble abode.

geoff

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Nov 8, 2008, 8:43:34 PM11/8/08
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In message <MPG.23801b5a2...@news.motzarella.org>, ogden
<og...@pre.org> writes

>> > >>
>> > > If that excuse works can I have one. It's raining side-ways here.
>> > That was my notion too.
>>
>> I've got a broken leg and can't get out of the house.
>
>What happens when your food supplies run low?
>
wooden leg ?

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fragmented

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Nov 9, 2008, 7:44:56 AM11/9/08
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In article <MPG.23801b5a2...@news.motzarella.org>,
og...@pre.org says...>
> fragmented wrote:
> >
> > I've got a broken leg and can't get out of the house.
>
> What happens when your food supplies run low?

Tescos home delivery. Although the £4 charge is a bit rich considering
I'm only 1 mile from the depot they come from.

Or I ask any of the visitors to bring whatever with them when they visit
next, god bless their little cotton socks.

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fragmented

ogden

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Nov 9, 2008, 8:10:56 AM11/9/08
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You don't seem to have grasped the whole "email" thing though.

Message has been deleted

wessie

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Nov 9, 2008, 9:24:04 AM11/9/08
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dead...@burnt.org.uk wrote in news:v5pdh4dimvse3e11p97ginmujgtemb0qob@
4ax.com:

> fragmented <ne...@ukrm.co.uk> wrote in message
> <gf6m09$ru7$7...@media-center.localdomain>:


>
>>In article <MPG.23801b5a2...@news.motzarella.org>,
>>og...@pre.org says...>
>>> fragmented wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I've got a broken leg and can't get out of the house.
>>>
>>> What happens when your food supplies run low?
>>
>>Tescos home delivery. Although the £4 charge is a bit rich considering
>>I'm only 1 mile from the depot they come from.
>

> What? 4 quid's a bit much for someone to go round the store, pick up
> your goods and then bring it to your door?
>
> Sounds like a bargain to me.

It is. Especially as the only large supermarket near me is Waitrose. 12
miles to Asda and 11 to Tesco are the next nearest. So, I tend to pick up
fresh fruit in local shops or markets and a basket of stuff from Tesco
Metro once a week. Once every 3/4 weeks order all the bulky stuff to be
delivered. We seem to be spending less, too, as the trolley doesn't get
filled with all those extra items you fancy at the time.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/ often has discount codes so you can get free
delivery or money off.

fragmented

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Nov 9, 2008, 9:29:16 AM11/9/08
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In article <MPG.2380f1b82...@news.motzarella.org>,
og...@pre.org says...>
> fragmented wrote:
> >
> > Tescos home delivery. Although the £4 charge is a bit rich considering
> > I'm only 1 mile from the depot they come from.
> >
> > Or I ask any of the visitors to bring whatever with them when they visit
> > next, god bless their little cotton socks.
>
> You don't seem to have grasped the whole "email" thing though.

The cleaner has problems using a mobile, one friend doesn't do emails
outside of work (closed system), and someone else is famous for getting
about 75% of what you ask for, however you ask for it.

I have emailed Ross a shopping list a couple of times.

Or are you offering to do my shopping for me if I email you the list?

Still, only a week and a half to go before my next appointment and they
hopefully say the plaster can come off.

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fragmented

fragmented

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Nov 9, 2008, 9:38:47 AM11/9/08
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In article <v5pdh4dimvse3e11p...@4ax.com>,
dead...@burnt.org.uk says...>
> fragmented <ne...@ukrm.co.uk> wrote in message
> <gf6m09$ru7$7...@media-center.localdomain>:
>
> >In article <MPG.23801b5a2...@news.motzarella.org>,
> >og...@pre.org says...>
> >> fragmented wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I've got a broken leg and can't get out of the house.
> >>
> >> What happens when your food supplies run low?
> >
> >Tescos home delivery. Although the £4 charge is a bit rich considering
> >I'm only 1 mile from the depot they come from.
>
> What? 4 quid's a bit much for someone to go round the store, pick up
> your goods and then bring it to your door?
>
> Sounds like a bargain to me.

What I'm objecting to is the flat fee, regardless of how far from the
depot you live.

As I live close to the main store and the main warehouse in MK, I'm
subsidising the people who lives live miles away.

Imagine a bus route where it cost the same amount from any stop to any
other stop, if you only wanted to go one stop along, you'd feel a bit
ripped off.

OTOH it'd cost some money to implement the post code lookup and distance
calculation system which'd have to be passed on.

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fragmented

wessie

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Nov 9, 2008, 10:09:16 AM11/9/08
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fragmented <ne...@ukrm.co.uk> wrote in news:gf6sln$ru7$11@media-
center.localdomain:

> In article <v5pdh4dimvse3e11p...@4ax.com>,
> dead...@burnt.org.uk says...>
>> fragmented <ne...@ukrm.co.uk> wrote in message
>> <gf6m09$ru7$7...@media-center.localdomain>:
>>
>> >In article <MPG.23801b5a2...@news.motzarella.org>,
>> >og...@pre.org says...>
>> >> fragmented wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I've got a broken leg and can't get out of the house.
>> >>
>> >> What happens when your food supplies run low?
>> >
>> >Tescos home delivery. Although the £4 charge is a bit rich considering
>
>> >I'm only 1 mile from the depot they come from.
>>
>> What? 4 quid's a bit much for someone to go round the store, pick up
>> your goods and then bring it to your door?
>>
>> Sounds like a bargain to me.
>
> What I'm objecting to is the flat fee, regardless of how far from the
> depot you live.
>

The alternative? Have a department of 5000 people calculating individual
charges for picking each order and delivery. Where would you have the cut
off? 10 items, 20 items, 10kg, 20kg, 1 mile, 5 miles, 10 miles?

The mileage covered by the van is only a part of the cost of delivery. Much
of the cost will be infrastructure and wages.

ogden

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Nov 9, 2008, 10:10:01 AM11/9/08
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fragmented wrote:
> In article <MPG.2380f1b82...@news.motzarella.org>,
> og...@pre.org says...>
> > fragmented wrote:
> > >
> > > Tescos home delivery. Although the £4 charge is a bit rich considering
> > > I'm only 1 mile from the depot they come from.
> > >
> > > Or I ask any of the visitors to bring whatever with them when they visit
> > > next, god bless their little cotton socks.
> >
> > You don't seem to have grasped the whole "email" thing though.
>
> The cleaner has problems using a mobile, one friend doesn't do emails
> outside of work (closed system), and someone else is famous for getting
> about 75% of what you ask for, however you ask for it.
>
> I have emailed Ross a shopping list a couple of times.
>
> Or are you offering to do my shopping for me if I email you the list?

Go back and read my original post, waaaay up there ^^^^^.

Simon Wilson

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Nov 9, 2008, 11:20:15 AM11/9/08
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fragmented wrote:

> In article <MPG.23801b5a2...@news.motzarella.org>,
> og...@pre.org says...>
> > fragmented wrote:
> > >
> > > I've got a broken leg and can't get out of the house.
> >
> > What happens when your food supplies run low?
>
> Tescos home delivery. Although the £4 charge is a bit rich
> considering I'm only 1 mile from the depot they come from.
>

Tesco deliver from the stores, not the depots. Altough as pointed out
elsewhere, most of the cost does not arise from the mileage - it's
getting the boxes picked and loaded onto the van.

--
/Simon

SteveH

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Nov 9, 2008, 12:07:28 PM11/9/08
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fragmented <ne...@ukrm.co.uk> wrote:

> > What? 4 quid's a bit much for someone to go round the store, pick up
> > your goods and then bring it to your door?
> >
> > Sounds like a bargain to me.
>
> What I'm objecting to is the flat fee, regardless of how far from the
> depot you live.
>
> As I live close to the main store and the main warehouse in MK, I'm
> subsidising the people who lives live miles away.

AFAIK they pick and deliver at store level - nothing comes from a depot.
The only company who use depots to deliver customer shopping is
Waitrose, as they sub-contract to Occado.

Driving time and fuel to deliver is only a very small proportion of the
cost of picking deliveries (main cost is getting someone to walk around
the store with a scanning gun picking and packing your order), so even
if they did implement a charge based on distance from the store, the
difference would be so marginal it would barely be worth doing.


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Higgins

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Nov 9, 2008, 12:31:26 PM11/9/08
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dead...@burnt.org.uk wrote:
> fragmented <ne...@ukrm.co.uk> wrote in message
> <gf6m09$ru7$7...@media-center.localdomain>:
>
>> In article <MPG.23801b5a2...@news.motzarella.org>,
>> og...@pre.org says...>
>>> fragmented wrote:
>>>> I've got a broken leg and can't get out of the house.
>>> What happens when your food supplies run low?
>> Tescos home delivery. Although the £4 charge is a bit rich considering
>> I'm only 1 mile from the depot they come from.
>
> What? 4 quid's a bit much for someone to go round the store, pick up
> your goods and then bring it to your door?
>
> Sounds like a bargain to me.

We saved more than the fee due to the reduction in impulse buying.

fragmented

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Nov 9, 2008, 1:03:30 PM11/9/08
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In article <MPG.23810da24...@news.motzarella.org>,

Heh, emailed.

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fragmented

fragmented

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Nov 9, 2008, 1:12:52 PM11/9/08
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In article <6nol3d...@mid.individual.net>,
the.best.na...@gmail.com says...>
> dead...@burnt.org.uk wrote:
> >
> > What? 4 quid's a bit much for someone to go round the store, pick up
> > your goods and then bring it to your door?
> >
> > Sounds like a bargain to me.
>
> We saved more than the fee due to the reduction in impulse buying.

The Tesco website is quite easy to search for things, and it remembers
past orders, so its all to easy to browse for impulse buys. Donuts,
popcorn, etc.

Haven't done that with anything that costs more than a couple of quid
though.

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fragmented

Grimly Curmudgeon

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Nov 9, 2008, 4:22:07 PM11/9/08
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember fragmented <ne...@ukrm.co.uk>
saying something like:

>What I'm objecting to is the flat fee, regardless of how far from the
>depot you live.
>
>As I live close to the main store and the main warehouse in MK, I'm
>subsidising the people who lives live miles away.
>
>Imagine a bus route where it cost the same amount from any stop to any
>other stop, if you only wanted to go one stop along, you'd feel a bit
>ripped off.

Fuck; imagine a pick up and delivery service that did that.
It'd never work.

JackH

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Nov 9, 2008, 4:46:42 PM11/9/08
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fragmented wrote:
> In article <MPG.23801b5a2...@news.motzarella.org>,
> og...@pre.org says...>
>> fragmented wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got a broken leg and can't get out of the house.
>>
>> What happens when your food supplies run low?
>
> Tescos home delivery. Although the £4 charge is a bit rich considering
> I'm only 1 mile from the depot they come from.

It is?

How much do you earn an hour when working?

I say an hour - by the time you've driven to the store, made your selections
and then driven home, the whole process is probably longer, even for someone
only buying a selection of microwave meals for one.

Anyway, regardless... even your average lackey walking the floors of the
store concerned clears more than that, and you don't have to mix with all
the other pikeys doing their shopping either.

It doesn't matter how muc further other customers who use the service
concerned are from the store - given, unless I'm mistaken, the goods you are
buying online are the same price as those in the store and therefore aren't
loaded up, it's a bargain unless all you need is a pint of milk and some
wank mags / rags, in which case I'd suggest planning your shop a bit better
to maximise the benefits.

Higgins

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Nov 10, 2008, 1:39:55 AM11/10/08
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fragmented wrote:
> In article <v5pdh4dimvse3e11p...@4ax.com>,
> dead...@burnt.org.uk says...>
>> fragmented <ne...@ukrm.co.uk> wrote in message
>> <gf6m09$ru7$7...@media-center.localdomain>:
>>
>>> In article <MPG.23801b5a2...@news.motzarella.org>,
>>> og...@pre.org says...>
>>>> fragmented wrote:
>>>>> I've got a broken leg and can't get out of the house.
>>>> What happens when your food supplies run low?
>>> Tescos home delivery. Although the £4 charge is a bit rich considering
>>> I'm only 1 mile from the depot they come from.
>> What? 4 quid's a bit much for someone to go round the store, pick up
>> your goods and then bring it to your door?
>>
>> Sounds like a bargain to me.
>
> What I'm objecting to is the flat fee, regardless of how far from the
> depot you live.
>
> As I live close to the main store and the main warehouse in MK, I'm
> subsidising the people who lives live miles away.
>
> Imagine a bus route where it cost the same amount from any stop to any
> other stop,

Not really too hard to imagine if you've been to many European cities,
where it's fairly common.

>if you only wanted to go one stop along, you'd feel a bit
> ripped off.
>

If I only went one stop on a bus I'd feel like a lazy bastard, though I
may feel differently IIWY at the moment.

SD

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Nov 10, 2008, 2:41:10 AM11/10/08
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:38:47 -0000, fragmented <ne...@ukrm.co.uk>
wrote:

>Imagine a bus route where it cost the same amount from any stop to any
>other stop, if you only wanted to go one stop along, you'd feel a bit
>ripped off.

Not difficult to imagine - there are dozens in Central London, aiui.
--
Salad Dodger

ogden

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Nov 10, 2008, 2:47:44 AM11/10/08
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In article <6nq39r...@mid.individual.net>,
the.best.na...@gmail.com says...

> fragmented wrote:
> > In article <v5pdh4dimvse3e11p...@4ax.com>,
> > dead...@burnt.org.uk says...>
> >> fragmented <ne...@ukrm.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> <gf6m09$ru7$7...@media-center.localdomain>:
> >>
> >>> In article <MPG.23801b5a2...@news.motzarella.org>,
> >>> og...@pre.org says...>
> >>>> fragmented wrote:
> >>>>> I've got a broken leg and can't get out of the house.
> >>>> What happens when your food supplies run low?
> >>> Tescos home delivery. Although the £4 charge is a bit rich considering
> >>> I'm only 1 mile from the depot they come from.
> >> What? 4 quid's a bit much for someone to go round the store, pick up
> >> your goods and then bring it to your door?
> >>
> >> Sounds like a bargain to me.
> >
> > What I'm objecting to is the flat fee, regardless of how far from the
> > depot you live.
> >
> > As I live close to the main store and the main warehouse in MK, I'm
> > subsidising the people who lives live miles away.
> >
> > Imagine a bus route where it cost the same amount from any stop to any
> > other stop,
>
> Not really too hard to imagine if you've been to many European cities,
> where it's fairly common.

Like, say, London.

Course, I haven't bought a bus ticket in years. That's where travelcards
come in, though such a communist idea would probably have frag in
apoplexy.

--
ogden

GSX-R750 K4
RGV250 VJ22

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ogden

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Nov 10, 2008, 5:51:22 AM11/10/08
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In article <9htfh4h0kqv415f55...@4ax.com>,
b.ro...@ifrance.com says...

> On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:38:47 -0000, fragmented <ne...@ukrm.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Imagine a bus route where it cost the same amount from any stop to any
> >other stop, if you only wanted to go one stop along, you'd feel a bit
> >ripped off.
>
> When I was in Ljubjanna the opther week, I had to stay at a hotel
> about 3km away from the centre[1], and the taxi fare was about 15
> Euros. This was on the main bus route into town, and they ran every
> five minutes or so, so I started using them more, and yes, their fare
> structure was exactly as you suggest - 1 Euro per journey, regardless
> of how far you went. Seemed to be very well used.
>
> In fact, now I think about it, the Brussels tram/underground system
> used to be like that as well, about twenty years ago when I worked
> there. Dunno if it's changed, but it worked well at the time.

I vaguely recall the New York subway working in much the same way but
with a bonus twist - because the only way to get between lines at some
interchanges is at street level, you're allowed to go in and out of
stations on the same journey. Do a round-trip quickly enough and you can
do the whole thing on a single fare.

Or, at least, you could when I was there 5 years ago.

fragmented

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In article <MPG.2381f77f4...@reader.motzarella.org>,
og...@pre.org says...>
> > > Imagine a bus route where it cost the same amount from any stop to any
> > > other stop,
> >
> > Not really too hard to imagine if you've been to many European cities,
> > where it's fairly common.
>
> Like, say, London.

IIRC I've used London busses once. They're a single fare no matter how
far you go?

> Course, I haven't bought a bus ticket in years. That's where
travelcards
> come in, though such a communist idea would probably have frag in
> apoplexy.

Stupid boy. You've paid to use the transport system as much as you
possibly can with a travel card, if you use it less, thats your choice.

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> The key is to make the fare reasonable enough that you're happy to pay
> it for the shorter journey.

The "fare * (distance travelled / transport running costs)" is still
greater for short journeys though, but as you say, people don't care so
long as it's cheap enough.

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fragmented

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Nov 10, 2008, 9:45:12 AM11/10/08
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> fragmented wrote:
>
> > Imagine a bus route where it cost the same amount from any stop to
any
> > other stop,
>
> Not really too hard to imagine if you've been to many European cities,
> where it's fairly common.

Been to quite a few, but as a tourist you don't get to take different
length journeys on the the same bus routes that often :)

> If I only went one stop on a bus I'd feel like a lazy bastard, though
> I may feel differently IIWY at the moment.

Heh, it was just a fer'instance.

Anyway, in retrospect, taking in to account the picking and packing that
Tescos have to do, which I'll admit I didn't really consider, £4 is a
good price.

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ogden

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In article <gf9gir$qtt$5...@media-center.localdomain>, ne...@ukrm.co.uk
says...

> In article <MPG.2381f77f4...@reader.motzarella.org>,
> og...@pre.org says...>
> > In article <6nq39r...@mid.individual.net>,
> > the.best.na...@gmail.com says...
> > > >
> > > > Imagine a bus route where it cost the same amount from any stop to any
> > > > other stop,
> > >
> > > Not really too hard to imagine if you've been to many European cities,
> > > where it's fairly common.
> >
> > Like, say, London.
>
> IIRC I've used London busses once. They're a single fare no matter how
> far you go?

I think so, yeah. 2 quid cash, 90p oyster. Something like that, anyway.
You can't change buses or routes on the same fare though.


> > Course, I haven't bought a bus ticket in years. That's where
> travelcards
> > come in, though such a communist idea would probably have frag in
> > apoplexy.
>
> Stupid boy. You've paid to use the transport system as much as you
> possibly can with a travel card, if you use it less, thats your choice.

"Stupid boy"?

Jim

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Nov 10, 2008, 9:59:08 AM11/10/08
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In article <MPG.23825ae6c...@reader.motzarella.org>,

ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>> IIRC I've used London busses once. They're a single fare no matter how
>> far you go?
>
>I think so, yeah. 2 quid cash, 90p oyster. Something like that, anyway.
>You can't change buses or routes on the same fare though.

The Oyster card system will automatically cap you at 3 quid per day.

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darsy

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On Nov 8, 4:54 pm, "Cab" <my_email_address_is_in_my_...@privacy.net>
wrote:
> Champ wrote:
> > Crikey I enjoyed reading that.
>
> AOL.
>
> > TOG, your feature was excellent. Not to say that I couldn't have
> > written one very similar myself :-) But you picked a good style and
> > structure, especially with the repeating 'I remember...' motif.
>
> I thought it was well written too. TOG can be articulate, when he
> tries. ;-)

it just goes to show what a good sub-ed can do.

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ogden

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In article <squlu5-...@89kh6zkKVIrqrXZuA5BD.0.0>, nu...@0.0.0.0
says...

aka the cost of a travelcard.

Mick Whittingham

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In article <1iq5e26.ene921p2rqqhN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
<st...@italiancar.co.uk> writes

>fragmented <ne...@ukrm.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> > What? 4 quid's a bit much for someone to go round the store, pick up
>> > your goods and then bring it to your door?
>> >
>> > Sounds like a bargain to me.
>>
>> What I'm objecting to is the flat fee, regardless of how far from the
>> depot you live.
>>
>> As I live close to the main store and the main warehouse in MK, I'm
>> subsidising the people who lives live miles away.
>
>AFAIK they pick and deliver at store level - nothing comes from a depot.
>The only company who use depots to deliver customer shopping is
>Waitrose, as they sub-contract to Occado.
>

When we were in Kent it was about 10 miles to the nearest supermarket so
we used the TESCO delivery thing and it worked very well at first as
they would pick your delivery from their main warehouse.
When that stopped and it came from the store, the quality of the fruit
and veg dropped markedly. (Sloppy selection of stuff?)
At the same time a farm shop opened not far aware so we got our fruit
and veg there and TESCO delivered the rest.
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Pete Fisher

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In communiqué <gf9gir$qtt$5...@media-center.localdomain>, fragmented
<ne...@ukrm.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom

>
>Stupid boy. You've paid to use the transport system as much as you
>possibly can with a travel card, if you use it less, thats your choice.
>

I am going to have a stab[1] at getting on site by public transport
tomorrow. Bus and Metro using my shiny Centro/National gimmers' pass. It
will be a close run thing as I can't get on the bus until 9.30[2] and
have to clock in (well sign my time sheet) by 10.30.


[1] Tempting providence
[2] How accurate are the drivers' time pieces I wonder?

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Mark Olson

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Nov 10, 2008, 12:23:53 PM11/10/08
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Jim wrote:

> The Oyster card system will automatically cap you at 3 quid per day.

If you're a Brazilian the Met will do it gratis.

Higgins

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Nov 10, 2008, 1:16:28 PM11/10/08
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ogden wrote:
<Single fare public transport>

>
> I vaguely recall the New York subway working in much the same way but
> with a bonus twist - because the only way to get between lines at some
> interchanges is at street level, you're allowed to go in and out of
> stations on the same journey. Do a round-trip quickly enough and you can
> do the whole thing on a single fare.
>
> Or, at least, you could when I was there 5 years ago.
>

Similar to Brussels, flat fare valid for an hour from first use. So a
bit of planning gets you in and out for €2.50.

The Older Gentleman

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darsy <dar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Cheeky bastard. It was hardly edited at all, I'll have you know.


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Cab

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Nov 10, 2008, 2:57:32 PM11/10/08
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The Older Gentleman wrote:

> darsy <dar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 8, 4:54 pm, "Cab" <my_email_address_is_in_my_...@privacy.net>
> > wrote:
> > > Champ wrote:
> > > > Crikey I enjoyed reading that.
> > >
> > > AOL.
> > >
> > > > TOG, your feature was excellent. Not to say that I couldn't
> > > > have written one very similar myself :-) But you picked a
> > > > good style and structure, especially with the repeating 'I
> > > > remember...' motif.
> > >
> > > I thought it was well written too. TOG can be articulate, when he
> > > tries. ;-)
> >
> > it just goes to show what a good sub-ed can do.
> >
> Cheeky bastard. It was hardly edited at all, I'll have you know.

You're using the poetic version of "hardly", aintcha?

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og...@pre.org says...>
> In article <gf9gir$qtt$5...@media-center.localdomain>, ne...@ukrm.co.uk
> says...

> >
> > IIRC I've used London busses once. They're a single fare no matter how
> > far you go?
>
> I think so, yeah. 2 quid cash, 90p oyster. Something like that, anyway.
> You can't change buses or routes on the same fare though.

Nice. £2 considering the size of London is good.

£3.50 from the outskirts to MK centre on the dire busses here.

> > > Course, I haven't bought a bus ticket in years. That's where
> > travelcards
> > > come in, though such a communist idea would probably have frag in
> > > apoplexy.
> >
> > Stupid boy. You've paid to use the transport system as much as you
> > possibly can with a travel card, if you use it less, thats your choice.
>
> "Stupid boy"?

"Communist Apoplexist"?

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Mi...@whittinghamsite.fsnet.co.uk says...>
>
> When that stopped and it came from the store, the quality of the fruit
> and veg dropped markedly. (Sloppy selection of stuff?)

I guess sometimes the person who picked the order deliberately picks the
fruit no one else wants.

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ogden

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Nov 10, 2008, 4:33:33 PM11/10/08
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In article <gfa66c$qtt$1...@media-center.localdomain>, ne...@ukrm.co.uk
says...

> In article <MPG.23825ae6c...@reader.motzarella.org>,
> og...@pre.org says...>
> > In article <gf9gir$qtt$5...@media-center.localdomain>, ne...@ukrm.co.uk
> > says...
> > >
> > > IIRC I've used London busses once. They're a single fare no matter how
> > > far you go?
> >
> > I think so, yeah. 2 quid cash, 90p oyster. Something like that, anyway.
> > You can't change buses or routes on the same fare though.
>
> Nice. £2 considering the size of London is good.

Nobody uses cash these days.

Colin Irvine

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On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:33:46 +0000, Champ squeezed out the following:

>Crikey I enjoyed reading that.
>

>TOG, your feature was excellent. Not to say that I couldn't have
>written one very similar myself :-) But you picked a good style and
>structure, especially with the repeating 'I remember...' motif.

I've only just got round to reading this, but agreed - very nice
article.

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SD

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On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:27:10 +0000, Colin Irvine
<lo...@bottom.of.home.page> wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:33:46 +0000, Champ squeezed out the following:
>
>>Crikey I enjoyed reading that.
>>
>>TOG, your feature was excellent. Not to say that I couldn't have
>>written one very similar myself :-) But you picked a good style and
>>structure, especially with the repeating 'I remember...' motif.
>
>I've only just got round to reading this, but agreed - very nice
>article.

Agreed: but no mention of Brucey P anywhere!
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Colin Irvine

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On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:48:01 +0000, SD squeezed out the following:

Yep, TOG dropped a bollock there. No wait a minute, ...

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